Original Posted By: Ted Brousseau
Does anyone know of a web site or discussion group dedicated the GN-1. I am in the process of buying one. I joined the Piet dicussion group and Piet Association, but can't find alot of info about the GN-1. I understand it is not a true PIET, but would like more info anyway.Does anyone own a GN-1 in the DALLAS-FORT WORTHarea?Please call me in Dallas at (214) 905-9299 or emailmikek(at)intex.netThanks for the help and info.Mike King-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438 zap: mikek(at)intex.net web site: www.comedy-wire.com________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: GN-1
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Michael,What is a "True" Piet? It seems like each one is different from all therest, some more so than others.This is a good place to be. I own a GN-1 and I know others do too. Justask your questions and you will probably get answers.Ted/APF>Does anyone know of a web site or >discussion group dedicated the GN-1. ________________________________________________________________________________
Michael,What is a "True" Piet? It seems like each one is different from all therest, some more so than others.This is a good place to be. I own a GN-1 and I know others do too. Justask your questions and you will probably get answers.Ted/APF>Does anyone know of a web site or >discussion group dedicated the GN-1. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Gary Gower
Ted,Thanks for the reply.It is my understanding that a true PIET is one constructedfrom the original Bernard Pietanpole plans using FordModel A & T engines then in the early 60's using theCorvair engine. Variations from those plans and engines are not considered by puriests to be true PIET.However, I am looking forward to buying the GN-1whichis located in the Corpus Christi area. I like the looks somuch that I bought the plane without flying it. As a matterof fact, I have little tailwheel time......just about 10 hours of aerobatics in a Super Decathalon and a couple of hoursin my brother's 1939 Taylorcraft. The gentleman I am buyingthe airplane from just finished restoring it and because ofhealth reasons has not flown it either, but a friend of ours has put about 5 hours in it. He loves to fly it......not bad for a well seasoned CFI who has flown many different types of planes.Ted, tell me about the flying characteristics of your plane.Where is it based? What type of transition did you experiencegoing from a manufactured plane to an experimental?How does your GN-1 handle? What can you tell me to look for or be aware of in my first flying experience in a PIET? By the way, my CFI friend is about 230 pounds and isn't sure his and my 220 pound frame can fly ittogether. My GN-1 has an 80 horse CONT. He is thinking about an hour or two in the back seat of a CUB before venturing off by myself.Information like this is important to me. I want to make sureI don't do something unwise before flying my plane for thefirst time.Is there a web site or dicussion group dedicated to the GN-1?Thanks Ted for your help.Mike KingDallas>Michael,>>What is a "True" Piet? It seems like each one is different from all the>rest, some more so than others.>>This is a good place to be. I own a GN-1 and I know others do too. Just>ask your questions and you will probably get answers.>>Ted/APF>>>Does anyone know of a web site or >>discussion group dedicated the GN-1. >>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438 zap: mikek(at)intex.net web site: www.comedy-wire.com________________________________________________________________________________
Ted,Thanks for the reply.It is my understanding that a true PIET is one constructedfrom the original Bernard Pietanpole plans using FordModel A & T engines then in the early 60's using theCorvair engine. Variations from those plans and engines are not considered by puriests to be true PIET.However, I am looking forward to buying the GN-1whichis located in the Corpus Christi area. I like the looks somuch that I bought the plane without flying it. As a matterof fact, I have little tailwheel time......just about 10 hours of aerobatics in a Super Decathalon and a couple of hoursin my brother's 1939 Taylorcraft. The gentleman I am buyingthe airplane from just finished restoring it and because ofhealth reasons has not flown it either, but a friend of ours has put about 5 hours in it. He loves to fly it......not bad for a well seasoned CFI who has flown many different types of planes.Ted, tell me about the flying characteristics of your plane.Where is it based? What type of transition did you experiencegoing from a manufactured plane to an experimental?How does your GN-1 handle? What can you tell me to look for or be aware of in my first flying experience in a PIET? By the way, my CFI friend is about 230 pounds and isn't sure his and my 220 pound frame can fly ittogether. My GN-1 has an 80 horse CONT. He is thinking about an hour or two in the back seat of a CUB before venturing off by myself.Information like this is important to me. I want to make sureI don't do something unwise before flying my plane for thefirst time.Is there a web site or dicussion group dedicated to the GN-1?Thanks Ted for your help.Mike KingDallas>Michael,>>What is a "True" Piet? It seems like each one is different from all the>rest, some more so than others.>>This is a good place to be. I own a GN-1 and I know others do too. Just>ask your questions and you will probably get answers.>>Ted/APF>>>Does anyone know of a web site or >>discussion group dedicated the GN-1. >>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438 zap: mikek(at)intex.net web site: www.comedy-wire.com________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
>>Ted, tell me about the flying characteristics of your plane.It flies slow. Climbs at 55-60 mph. Cruises at 63 to 68 mph (I like low2100 rpm). I fly an approach of 65 mph. Any slower and I run out ofelevator at the flare. I would invite others to tell you their numbers.>Where is it based?Naples, Florida> What type of transition did you experience>going from a manufactured plane to an experimental?Did lots of taxiing and hi speed taxiing to get use to the tail wheel. Oncein the air it flys like any airplane.>How does your GN-1 handle? Very responsive. The funnest flying I have done in 34 years.> What can you tell me to look for or be aware of in my first flyingexperience in a PIET? It is meant to fly low and slow. It seems to fly in slow motion. Don'texpect more. Just sit there and enjoy every minute of it. Early on Ioffered my tower that I was up there to have fun and if they needed me to doa 360 or anything else to accomodate a faster a/c just ask. That meant thatI got to fly a little longer. Of course, it has worked out just theopposite. I can slip in tight and quick ahead of anything and be out oftheir way quickly. By the way, when I cut the power I have to push the nosedown and dive at the ground to keep up the 65 mph. I just keep aiming atthe ground until I am about 3 feet off and then start the flare. Everypilot I have taken up has commented that they thought we were going to goaround when I was so high off the end of the runway before the dive.> By the way, my CFI friend is about 230 pounds >and isn't sure his and my 220 pound frame can fly it>together. Me neither!! Try a cold and windy (straight down the runway) day and youmight get off if you have a long runway. I weigh 180 with cold weatherclothes and have taken up a person who weighed 215. I barely slippedbetween a couple of pine trees at the end of a paved 5000' runway.> My GN-1 has an 80 horse CONT. He is >thinking about an hour or two in the back seat of a CUB >before venturing off by myself.Sounds like a good idea. I understand they fly very similar.>Is there a web site or dicussion group dedicated to the GN-1?Other than this one... I don't know about it.Good luckTed Brousseau/APFnfn00979(at)gator.naples.netSunny SW Florida________________________________________________________________________________
>>Ted, tell me about the flying characteristics of your plane.It flies slow. Climbs at 55-60 mph. Cruises at 63 to 68 mph (I like low2100 rpm). I fly an approach of 65 mph. Any slower and I run out ofelevator at the flare. I would invite others to tell you their numbers.>Where is it based?Naples, Florida> What type of transition did you experience>going from a manufactured plane to an experimental?Did lots of taxiing and hi speed taxiing to get use to the tail wheel. Oncein the air it flys like any airplane.>How does your GN-1 handle? Very responsive. The funnest flying I have done in 34 years.> What can you tell me to look for or be aware of in my first flyingexperience in a PIET? It is meant to fly low and slow. It seems to fly in slow motion. Don'texpect more. Just sit there and enjoy every minute of it. Early on Ioffered my tower that I was up there to have fun and if they needed me to doa 360 or anything else to accomodate a faster a/c just ask. That meant thatI got to fly a little longer. Of course, it has worked out just theopposite. I can slip in tight and quick ahead of anything and be out oftheir way quickly. By the way, when I cut the power I have to push the nosedown and dive at the ground to keep up the 65 mph. I just keep aiming atthe ground until I am about 3 feet off and then start the flare. Everypilot I have taken up has commented that they thought we were going to goaround when I was so high off the end of the runway before the dive.> By the way, my CFI friend is about 230 pounds >and isn't sure his and my 220 pound frame can fly it>together. Me neither!! Try a cold and windy (straight down the runway) day and youmight get off if you have a long runway. I weigh 180 with cold weatherclothes and have taken up a person who weighed 215. I barely slippedbetween a couple of pine trees at the end of a paved 5000' runway.> My GN-1 has an 80 horse CONT. He is >thinking about an hour or two in the back seat of a CUB >before venturing off by myself.Sounds like a good idea. I understand they fly very similar.>Is there a web site or dicussion group dedicated to the GN-1?Other than this one... I don't know about it.Good luckTed Brousseau/APFnfn00979(at)gator.naples.netSunny SW Florida________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Ted Brousseau
>>>>Ted, tell me about the flying characteristics of your plane.>>It flies slow. Climbs at 55-60 mph. Cruises at 63 to 68 mph (I like low>2100 rpm). I fly an approach of 65 mph. Any slower and I run out of>elevator at the flare. I would invite others to tell you their numbers.>>>Where is it based?>>Naples, Florida>>> What type of transition did you experience>>going from a manufactured plane to an experimental?>>Did lots of taxiing and hi speed taxiing to get use to the tail wheel. Once>in the air it flys like any airplane.>>>How does your GN-1 handle? >>Very responsive. The funnest flying I have done in 34 years.>>> What can you tell me to look for or be aware of in my first flying>experience in a PIET? >>It is meant to fly low and slow. It seems to fly in slow motion. Don't>expect more. Just sit there and enjoy every minute of it. Early on I>offered my tower that I was up there to have fun and if they needed me to do>a 360 or anything else to accomodate a faster a/c just ask. That meant that>I got to fly a little longer. Of course, it has worked out just the>opposite. I can slip in tight and quick ahead of anything and be out of>their way quickly. By the way, when I cut the power I have to push the nose>down and dive at the ground to keep up the 65 mph. I just keep aiming at>the ground until I am about 3 feet off and then start the flare. Every>pilot I have taken up has commented that they thought we were going to go>around when I was so high off the end of the runway before the dive.>>> By the way, my CFI friend is about 230 pounds >>and isn't sure his and my 220 pound frame can fly it>>together. >>Me neither!! Try a cold and windy (straight down the runway) day and you>might get off if you have a long runway. I weigh 180 with cold weather>clothes and have taken up a person who weighed 215. I barely slipped>between a couple of pine trees at the end of a paved 5000' runway.>>> My GN-1 has an 80 horse CONT. He is >>thinking about an hour or two in the back seat of a CUB >>before venturing off by myself.>>Sounds like a good idea. I understand they fly very similar.>>>Is there a web site or dicussion group dedicated to the GN-1?>>Other than this one... I don't know about it.>>Good luck>Ted Brousseau/APF>nfn00979(at)gator.naples.net>Sunny SW Florida>>Just a note. I attended Brodhead for the first time last year. I hopped aride with Kim Stickler in his GN-1 - A-65 powered. Kim weighs "around 240"and I am "not over 225". It was only about 92 degrees that Saturday. WellI was really impressed. We got off in about 500-600 feet after a couple ofhops, skipps and jumps. It cruised with reduced power. (Our L-2MTaylorcraft requires full power to maintain altitude with those conditions.)You're right about the glide, at pattern altitude, when the power is pulled,lean out and look straight down to see your landing spot.All in all, I had so much fun I went out and found a GN-1 project tocomplete. Maybe in a couple of years......Barry Davisbed(at)mindspring.com________________________________________________________________________________
>>>>Ted, tell me about the flying characteristics of your plane.>>It flies slow. Climbs at 55-60 mph. Cruises at 63 to 68 mph (I like low>2100 rpm). I fly an approach of 65 mph. Any slower and I run out of>elevator at the flare. I would invite others to tell you their numbers.>>>Where is it based?>>Naples, Florida>>> What type of transition did you experience>>going from a manufactured plane to an experimental?>>Did lots of taxiing and hi speed taxiing to get use to the tail wheel. Once>in the air it flys like any airplane.>>>How does your GN-1 handle? >>Very responsive. The funnest flying I have done in 34 years.>>> What can you tell me to look for or be aware of in my first flying>experience in a PIET? >>It is meant to fly low and slow. It seems to fly in slow motion. Don't>expect more. Just sit there and enjoy every minute of it. Early on I>offered my tower that I was up there to have fun and if they needed me to do>a 360 or anything else to accomodate a faster a/c just ask. That meant that>I got to fly a little longer. Of course, it has worked out just the>opposite. I can slip in tight and quick ahead of anything and be out of>their way quickly. By the way, when I cut the power I have to push the nose>down and dive at the ground to keep up the 65 mph. I just keep aiming at>the ground until I am about 3 feet off and then start the flare. Every>pilot I have taken up has commented that they thought we were going to go>around when I was so high off the end of the runway before the dive.>>> By the way, my CFI friend is about 230 pounds >>and isn't sure his and my 220 pound frame can fly it>>together. >>Me neither!! Try a cold and windy (straight down the runway) day and you>might get off if you have a long runway. I weigh 180 with cold weather>clothes and have taken up a person who weighed 215. I barely slipped>between a couple of pine trees at the end of a paved 5000' runway.>>> My GN-1 has an 80 horse CONT. He is >>thinking about an hour or two in the back seat of a CUB >>before venturing off by myself.>>Sounds like a good idea. I understand they fly very similar.>>>Is there a web site or dicussion group dedicated to the GN-1?>>Other than this one... I don't know about it.>>Good luck>Ted Brousseau/APF>nfn00979(at)gator.naples.net>Sunny SW Florida>>Just a note. I attended Brodhead for the first time last year. I hopped aride with Kim Stickler in his GN-1 - A-65 powered. Kim weighs "around 240"and I am "not over 225". It was only about 92 degrees that Saturday. WellI was really impressed. We got off in about 500-600 feet after a couple ofhops, skipps and jumps. It cruised with reduced power. (Our L-2MTaylorcraft requires full power to maintain altitude with those conditions.)You're right about the glide, at pattern altitude, when the power is pulled,lean out and look straight down to see your landing spot.All in all, I had so much fun I went out and found a GN-1 project tocomplete. Maybe in a couple of years......Barry Davisbed(at)mindspring.com________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: scherer2(at)airmail.net (Glenn Scherer)
Barry,I wasn't talkin about how long it takes to get off the ground. I wastalking about how long it takes to clear the 60' trees at the end of themile long runway. (grin)I thought of a couple of hints for a first time Piet pilot. Rule one (neverforget it): Keep it going straight down the runway. You can get away withalmost everything else but not this one.Rule two (almost as important): Keep the stick back in your chest once youtouch down for the 3 pointer.Ted Brousseau,Naples, FL>Just a note. I attended Brodhead for the first time last year. I hopped a>ride with Kim Stickler in his GN-1 - A-65 powered. Kim weighs "around 240">and I am "not over 225". It was only about 92 degrees that Saturday. Well>I was really impressed. We got off in about 500-600 feet after a couple of>hops, skipps and jumps. It cruised with reduced power.________________________________________________________________________________
Barry,I wasn't talkin about how long it takes to get off the ground. I wastalking about how long it takes to clear the 60' trees at the end of themile long runway. (grin)I thought of a couple of hints for a first time Piet pilot. Rule one (neverforget it): Keep it going straight down the runway. You can get away withalmost everything else but not this one.Rule two (almost as important): Keep the stick back in your chest once youtouch down for the 3 pointer.Ted Brousseau,Naples, FL>Just a note. I attended Brodhead for the first time last year. I hopped a>ride with Kim Stickler in his GN-1 - A-65 powered. Kim weighs "around 240">and I am "not over 225". It was only about 92 degrees that Saturday. Well>I was really impressed. We got off in about 500-600 feet after a couple of>hops, skipps and jumps. It cruised with reduced power.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: "McNarry, John"
Ted & Barry,Thanks for the insight and added info as I await my first flight in a GN-1. I live in Dallas, but have paid for the plane that is located in Corpus Christi.Yesterday (Thursday), I called John W. Grega in Bedford, Ohio. I told him my GN-1 has an 80hp Cont. He told me the 80hp is really a C-65bored out with an additional piston ring and adifference in the valve spring. He also said hebelieves a C-65 will out perform an 80hp if itdoesn't have the proper propeller. He said theC-65 uses a 74" prop while the C-80 takes a shorter prop. Usually a clipped tip prop that hasbeen cut back 6-8 inches. I don't know how longmy prop is, but the gentleman I bought it from saidthe plane has a metal cruise prop. He recommendsthat I might replace that with a power / lift propeller.Mr. Grega said as far as the weight is concerned,he doesn't see any problem with a couple of 200 pounders. It will lift just about anything.Mr. Grega also said he knows a builder in San Diegowho has a GN-1 and performs aerobatics in air showsin that part of the country. John also said his plans would allow airplants up to 150 horsepower. GN-1susing engines over 100 horsepower should be builtusing wing ribs with 1/2 inch wide cap strips to handlethe stress.He is a very approachable, informative, and interestingperson to talk to and at age 83, he has several storiesto tell. What a joy to talk to.Thanks again guys for the info. I look forward to morein the future.Mike KingDallas>Barry,>>I wasn't talkin about how long it takes to get off the ground. I was>talking about how long it takes to clear the 60' trees at the end of the>mile long runway. (grin)>>I thought of a couple of hints for a first time Piet pilot. Rule one (never>forget it): Keep it going straight down the runway. You can get away with>almost everything else but not this one.>>Rule two (almost as important): Keep the stick back in your chest once you>touch down for the 3 pointer.>>Ted Brousseau,>Naples, FL>>>>Just a note. I attended Brodhead for the first time last year. I hopped a>>ride with Kim Stickler in his GN-1 - A-65 powered. Kim weighs "around 240">>and I am "not over 225". It was only about 92 degrees that Saturday. Well>>I was really impressed. We got off in about 500-600 feet after a couple of>>hops, skipps and jumps. It cruised with reduced power.>>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438 zap: mikek(at)intex.net web site: www.comedy-wire.com________________________________________________________________________________
Ted & Barry,Thanks for the insight and added info as I await my first flight in a GN-1. I live in Dallas, but have paid for the plane that is located in Corpus Christi.Yesterday (Thursday), I called John W. Grega in Bedford, Ohio. I told him my GN-1 has an 80hp Cont. He told me the 80hp is really a C-65bored out with an additional piston ring and adifference in the valve spring. He also said hebelieves a C-65 will out perform an 80hp if itdoesn't have the proper propeller. He said theC-65 uses a 74" prop while the C-80 takes a shorter prop. Usually a clipped tip prop that hasbeen cut back 6-8 inches. I don't know how longmy prop is, but the gentleman I bought it from saidthe plane has a metal cruise prop. He recommendsthat I might replace that with a power / lift propeller.Mr. Grega said as far as the weight is concerned,he doesn't see any problem with a couple of 200 pounders. It will lift just about anything.Mr. Grega also said he knows a builder in San Diegowho has a GN-1 and performs aerobatics in air showsin that part of the country. John also said his plans would allow airplants up to 150 horsepower. GN-1susing engines over 100 horsepower should be builtusing wing ribs with 1/2 inch wide cap strips to handlethe stress.He is a very approachable, informative, and interestingperson to talk to and at age 83, he has several storiesto tell. What a joy to talk to.Thanks again guys for the info. I look forward to morein the future.Mike KingDallas>Barry,>>I wasn't talkin about how long it takes to get off the ground. I was>talking about how long it takes to clear the 60' trees at the end of the>mile long runway. (grin)>>I thought of a couple of hints for a first time Piet pilot. Rule one (never>forget it): Keep it going straight down the runway. You can get away with>almost everything else but not this one.>>Rule two (almost as important): Keep the stick back in your chest once you>touch down for the 3 pointer.>>Ted Brousseau,>Naples, FL>>>>Just a note. I attended Brodhead for the first time last year. I hopped a>>ride with Kim Stickler in his GN-1 - A-65 powered. Kim weighs "around 240">>and I am "not over 225". It was only about 92 degrees that Saturday. Well>>I was really impressed. We got off in about 500-600 feet after a couple of>>hops, skipps and jumps. It cruised with reduced power.>>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438 zap: mikek(at)intex.net web site: www.comedy-wire.com________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: GN-1
Original Posted By: mikek(at)intex.net (Michael King)
On Thursday, February 12, 1998 7:35 PM, Barry Davis [SMTP:bed(at)atl.mindspring.com]wrote:> >>> >>Ted, tell me about the flying characteristics of your plane.> >> >It flies slow. Climbs at 55-60 mph. Cruises at 63 to 68 mph (I like low> >2100 rpm). I fly an approach of 65 mph. Any slower and I run out of> >elevator at the flare. I would invite others to tell you their numbers.> >>The piet is the only aircraft I know of where the approach speed is faster thanthe cruise.Stevee :)________________________________________________________________________________
On Thursday, February 12, 1998 7:35 PM, Barry Davis [SMTP:bed(at)atl.mindspring.com]wrote:> >>> >>Ted, tell me about the flying characteristics of your plane.> >> >It flies slow. Climbs at 55-60 mph. Cruises at 63 to 68 mph (I like low> >2100 rpm). I fly an approach of 65 mph. Any slower and I run out of> >elevator at the flare. I would invite others to tell you their numbers.> >>The piet is the only aircraft I know of where the approach speed is faster thanthe cruise.Stevee :)________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: GN-1
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
When you say the PIET is the only plane wherethe approach speed is faster than its cruise speed,are you talking about the true Pietenpol or a 80 hpCont. in a GN-1?thanks.........MikeDallas>>>On Thursday, February 12, 1998 7:35 PM, Barry Davis[SMTP:bed(at)atl.mindspring.com] wrote:>> >>>> >>Ted, tell me about the flying characteristics of your plane.>> >>> >It flies slow. Climbs at 55-60 mph. Cruises at 63 to 68 mph (I like low>> >2100 rpm). I fly an approach of 65 mph. Any slower and I run out of>> >elevator at the flare. I would invite others to tell you their numbers.>> >>>>The piet is the only aircraft I know of where the approach speed is fasterthan the cruise.>>Stevee
>>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438 zap: mikek(at)intex.net web site: www.comedy-wire.com________________________________________________________________________________
When you say the PIET is the only plane wherethe approach speed is faster than its cruise speed,are you talking about the true Pietenpol or a 80 hpCont. in a GN-1?thanks.........MikeDallas>>>On Thursday, February 12, 1998 7:35 PM, Barry Davis[SMTP:bed(at)atl.mindspring.com] wrote:>> >>>> >>Ted, tell me about the flying characteristics of your plane.>> >>> >It flies slow. Climbs at 55-60 mph. Cruises at 63 to 68 mph (I like low>> >2100 rpm). I fly an approach of 65 mph. Any slower and I run out of>> >elevator at the flare. I would invite others to tell you their numbers.>> >>>>The piet is the only aircraft I know of where the approach speed is fasterthan the cruise.>>Stevee
>>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438 zap: mikek(at)intex.net web site: www.comedy-wire.com________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: RE: GN-1
Original Posted By: Al Koebel
>>>On Thursday, February 12, 1998 7:35 PM, Barry Davis[SMTP:bed(at)atl.mindspring.com] wrote:>> >>>> >>Ted, tell me about the flying characteristics of your plane.>> >>> >It flies slow. Climbs at 55-60 mph. Cruises at 63 to 68 mph (I like= low>> >2100 rpm). I fly an approach of 65 mph. Any slower and I run out of>> >elevator at the flare. I would invite others to tell you their numbers.>> >>>>The piet is the only aircraft I know of where the approach speed is fasterthan the cruise.>>Stevee>>Trikes are the same:mine performance is:One good thing is that it is "self stable", when a new pilot over controls,the advise is "let it go! it will fly you out of trouble!" :-)Being there, done that.Saludos TESTING!=09EAA Chapter 1039 President ggower(at)informador.com.mx ~1,800 VW 2 place "Gtub"(80%)(own design)FAI= legalGuadalajara, Jalisco, MEXICO Ultralight (248 Kg dry)Chapala Aerodrome Alt 4,997 asl N 20=BA19.506' W 103=BA08.203' (Got the= GPS!) "Cuando inducimos a alguien a nuestro deporte debemos ser firmes tambien enque mantenga optimo su estado fisico, entrenamiento y aeronave" - Julian= Taber(When we involve anyone else in our flying we should be held to a higherstandard in term of physical health, trainnig and airplane maintenance. -Julian Taber)________________________________________________________________________________
>>>On Thursday, February 12, 1998 7:35 PM, Barry Davis[SMTP:bed(at)atl.mindspring.com] wrote:>> >>>> >>Ted, tell me about the flying characteristics of your plane.>> >>> >It flies slow. Climbs at 55-60 mph. Cruises at 63 to 68 mph (I like= low>> >2100 rpm). I fly an approach of 65 mph. Any slower and I run out of>> >elevator at the flare. I would invite others to tell you their numbers.>> >>>>The piet is the only aircraft I know of where the approach speed is fasterthan the cruise.>>Stevee
>>Trikes are the same:mine performance is:One good thing is that it is "self stable", when a new pilot over controls,the advise is "let it go! it will fly you out of trouble!" :-)Being there, done that.Saludos TESTING!=09EAA Chapter 1039 President ggower(at)informador.com.mx ~1,800 VW 2 place "Gtub"(80%)(own design)FAI= legalGuadalajara, Jalisco, MEXICO Ultralight (248 Kg dry)Chapala Aerodrome Alt 4,997 asl N 20=BA19.506' W 103=BA08.203' (Got the= GPS!) "Cuando inducimos a alguien a nuestro deporte debemos ser firmes tambien enque mantenga optimo su estado fisico, entrenamiento y aeronave" - Julian= Taber(When we involve anyone else in our flying we should be held to a higherstandard in term of physical health, trainnig and airplane maintenance. -Julian Taber)________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: GN-1
Original Posted By: russell ray
I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who iscurrently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the constructionand decisions that had to be made along the way.________________________________________________________________________________
I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who iscurrently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the constructionand decisions that had to be made along the way.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: pilot00(at)earthlink.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1>I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is>currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the construction>and decisions that had to be made along the way.>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1>I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is>currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the construction>and decisions that had to be made along the way.>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: GN-1
Original Posted By: russell ray
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1>I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is>currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the construction>and decisions that had to be made along the way.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1>I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is>currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the construction>and decisions that had to be made along the way.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: GN-1
Original Posted By: Craig & Shari Hanson
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1>I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is>currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the construction>and decisions that had to be made along the way.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1>I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is>currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the construction>and decisions that had to be made along the way.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: James Nichols
JAMES, I'M JUST STARTING ON GN-1 PROJECT. HAVE NO IDEALWHEN ILL' FINNISH, I PERSONALLY LIKE A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THE PIETENPOLBETTER THAN THE GN-1, ESPECIALLY THE LONG VERSION SINCE I'M 6-3 250 LBSIT HAS MORE ROOM THAN THE GN-1. I'M LUCKY IN THATI HAVE SOME VERY EXPERIENCED BUILDERS AND DESIGNERS IN OUR EAA CHAPTER 775 IWON'T MENTIONTHERE NAMES BUT THEY HAVE BEEN ENVOLED INBUILDING, DESIGNING AND EMPLOYED IN THE AVIATIONCOMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS, I HAVE OPTED TO CHANGETHE DESIGN BY STRETCHING AND WIDENING THE PLANEA FEW INCHES BUT ONLY UNDER THE GUIDANCEOF THE MORE EXPERIENCED AND I WILL NO LONGER CALLIT A GN-1 THAT WOULDN'T BE FAR TO MR. GREGA,ONE REASON I CHOICE THE GN-1 DESIGN IS THATTHE PLYWOOD GOES ALL THE WAY BACK AND I INTENDTO HAVE A VARNISHED WOOD RATHER THAN FABRICON THE FUSELAGE, ANOTHER IS WEIGHT CALCULATION'SHAVE BE DONE FOR TAIL WHEELS LIGHTER ENGINESUP FRONT ETC, I LIKE THE HARDWARE ON THE GN-1 BETTER BUT THE POINT IS THEPIETENPOL HAS A GREAT REPUTATION AND IT SEEMS IT WOULD BE MUCHEASIER TO FABRICATE, EXAMPLE IS THE GN-1 WASDESIGNED USING PIPER CUB GEAR IN AN ERA WHENCUB GEAR COULD BE FOUND EASIER THAN BUILDING IT,HOWEVER THE PIETENPOL GEAR LOOKS LIKE IT WOULDBE EASIER TO BUILD STRUT ATTACHMENTS ARE BOLTEDTO A PIECE OF ASH CROSS OVER MEMBER THAT STIFFENS THE FLOOR AND BECOMES ASTRUCTURAL MEMBERAND THIS IS ONLY ONE EXAMPLE, THAT IS SIMPLER AND PROBABLY LESS EXPENSIVE,THERE'S AND EXCELLENTGN-1 FEATURED IN 4 OR 5 MONTHS BACK ISSUE OFEXPERIMENTER MAGAZINE AND BUILDER MENTIONSSOME OF THE REASONS HE BUILT A GN-1 OVERTHE REGULAR PIETENPOL, CALL THE EAA ANDTHEY'LL SHIP THIS ISSUE FOR A COUPLE OF BUCKSAND HANDLING CHARGES THIS HELPED ME MAKEMY DECISION-----Original Message-----
JAMES, I'M JUST STARTING ON GN-1 PROJECT. HAVE NO IDEALWHEN ILL' FINNISH, I PERSONALLY LIKE A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THE PIETENPOLBETTER THAN THE GN-1, ESPECIALLY THE LONG VERSION SINCE I'M 6-3 250 LBSIT HAS MORE ROOM THAN THE GN-1. I'M LUCKY IN THATI HAVE SOME VERY EXPERIENCED BUILDERS AND DESIGNERS IN OUR EAA CHAPTER 775 IWON'T MENTIONTHERE NAMES BUT THEY HAVE BEEN ENVOLED INBUILDING, DESIGNING AND EMPLOYED IN THE AVIATIONCOMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS, I HAVE OPTED TO CHANGETHE DESIGN BY STRETCHING AND WIDENING THE PLANEA FEW INCHES BUT ONLY UNDER THE GUIDANCEOF THE MORE EXPERIENCED AND I WILL NO LONGER CALLIT A GN-1 THAT WOULDN'T BE FAR TO MR. GREGA,ONE REASON I CHOICE THE GN-1 DESIGN IS THATTHE PLYWOOD GOES ALL THE WAY BACK AND I INTENDTO HAVE A VARNISHED WOOD RATHER THAN FABRICON THE FUSELAGE, ANOTHER IS WEIGHT CALCULATION'SHAVE BE DONE FOR TAIL WHEELS LIGHTER ENGINESUP FRONT ETC, I LIKE THE HARDWARE ON THE GN-1 BETTER BUT THE POINT IS THEPIETENPOL HAS A GREAT REPUTATION AND IT SEEMS IT WOULD BE MUCHEASIER TO FABRICATE, EXAMPLE IS THE GN-1 WASDESIGNED USING PIPER CUB GEAR IN AN ERA WHENCUB GEAR COULD BE FOUND EASIER THAN BUILDING IT,HOWEVER THE PIETENPOL GEAR LOOKS LIKE IT WOULDBE EASIER TO BUILD STRUT ATTACHMENTS ARE BOLTEDTO A PIECE OF ASH CROSS OVER MEMBER THAT STIFFENS THE FLOOR AND BECOMES ASTRUCTURAL MEMBERAND THIS IS ONLY ONE EXAMPLE, THAT IS SIMPLER AND PROBABLY LESS EXPENSIVE,THERE'S AND EXCELLENTGN-1 FEATURED IN 4 OR 5 MONTHS BACK ISSUE OFEXPERIMENTER MAGAZINE AND BUILDER MENTIONSSOME OF THE REASONS HE BUILT A GN-1 OVERTHE REGULAR PIETENPOL, CALL THE EAA ANDTHEY'LL SHIP THIS ISSUE FOR A COUPLE OF BUCKSAND HANDLING CHARGES THIS HELPED ME MAKEMY DECISION-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: James Nichols
James,Get more information on the Pietenpol and think long and hard before youbegin a Grega project. There is a large body of thought that Mr. Gregatried to fix a lot of things that were not broken when he designed theGrega. He also had a goal of making it user to use things like cheap! J-3parts.The Piet was designed in the late 20s and early 30s by a very cleverindividual. Many have tried to change various aspects of the design tomodernize and or improve it. Rarely, if ever, is any real improvement made.Mainly they just add weight and complicate a simple design. My personalopinion is that the Grega is such a situation that has been, unfortunately,recorded on drawings and sold to an unsuspecting public.That having been said, I have ridden in a Grega a few times and thoroughlyenjoyed the experience. Study both designs carefully before you choose, andenjoy!One last thing. The Piet is said to have better resale value. Something tothink about.John-----Original Message-----
James,Get more information on the Pietenpol and think long and hard before youbegin a Grega project. There is a large body of thought that Mr. Gregatried to fix a lot of things that were not broken when he designed theGrega. He also had a goal of making it user to use things like cheap! J-3parts.The Piet was designed in the late 20s and early 30s by a very cleverindividual. Many have tried to change various aspects of the design tomodernize and or improve it. Rarely, if ever, is any real improvement made.Mainly they just add weight and complicate a simple design. My personalopinion is that the Grega is such a situation that has been, unfortunately,recorded on drawings and sold to an unsuspecting public.That having been said, I have ridden in a Grega a few times and thoroughlyenjoyed the experience. Study both designs carefully before you choose, andenjoy!One last thing. The Piet is said to have better resale value. Something tothink about.John-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Greg Yotz
I am building a GN-1. I have a few pictures to share if you areinterested. At the time I started my GN-1 I thought it was a realPietenpol. Right now I am in the process of covering the fuselage and tailfeathers. Well actually they are covered and I am applying poly-spray.Since it isn't allowed to send attachments to the group send me your E-Mailaddress and I will send you pictures. I am pleased with my GN-1 it isn't aPiet because it has been modified some. But than there are no realPietenpols except those built by Pietenpol himself because everyone ismodified in some small way.>I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is>currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the construction>and decisions that had to be made along the way.>>________________________________________________________________________________
I am building a GN-1. I have a few pictures to share if you areinterested. At the time I started my GN-1 I thought it was a realPietenpol. Right now I am in the process of covering the fuselage and tailfeathers. Well actually they are covered and I am applying poly-spray.Since it isn't allowed to send attachments to the group send me your E-Mailaddress and I will send you pictures. I am pleased with my GN-1 it isn't aPiet because it has been modified some. But than there are no realPietenpols except those built by Pietenpol himself because everyone ismodified in some small way.>I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is>currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the construction>and decisions that had to be made along the way.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: baileys(at)ktis.net (Robert M. Bailey)
Before knowing there was anything such as a "pure-true"Piet, modified Piets, GN-1, or anything variation thereof,I bought from an out of town friend what he said was a Pietenpol. I owned a Cherokee 160 and thought anopen cockpit plane would be fun to fly....somethinglow and slow to enjoy in the local area. Later I learned the plane was a GN-1 built in 1985 owned and flown by three different owners over that time. An experiencedtailwheel instructor friend of mine flew my GN-1 many timesand did not want to put it in the hanger. Everytime he flew the plane and parked it, he wanted to get back in it and fly some more.It was most fun flying he had done in over 40 years of flying.The point is, as long as the plane is safe and fun to flyand offers years of pleasure, I think everyone is betterserved. both Mr. Pietenpol and Mr. Grega used components that wererelatively inexpensive and plentiful at that time. Both offeredto the public what they felt would be a safe, fun, and inexpensiveplane to build or buy.As someone said earlier, there are no TRUE Piets other than what Mr. Pietenpol built since most have been modified in some way...no matter how small.I hope this group is not in a position to draw a line in the sand and say yours is a true PIET and yours is not. I believe the spirit and concept of the type of flying Mr. Pietenpol put on paper and later in the air is what has brought us all together.Safe flying......Mike KingGN-1 Dallas>I am building a GN-1. I have a few pictures to share if you are>interested. At the time I started my GN-1 I thought it was a real>Pietenpol. Right now I am in the process of covering the fuselage and tail>feathers. Well actually they are covered and I am applying poly-spray.>Since it isn't allowed to send attachments to the group send me your E-Mail>address and I will send you pictures. I am pleased with my GN-1 it isn't a>Piet because it has been modified some. But than there are no real>Pietenpols except those built by Pietenpol himself because everyone is>modified in some small way.>>>>I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is>>currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the construction>>and decisions that had to be made along the way.>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Before knowing there was anything such as a "pure-true"Piet, modified Piets, GN-1, or anything variation thereof,I bought from an out of town friend what he said was a Pietenpol. I owned a Cherokee 160 and thought anopen cockpit plane would be fun to fly....somethinglow and slow to enjoy in the local area. Later I learned the plane was a GN-1 built in 1985 owned and flown by three different owners over that time. An experiencedtailwheel instructor friend of mine flew my GN-1 many timesand did not want to put it in the hanger. Everytime he flew the plane and parked it, he wanted to get back in it and fly some more.It was most fun flying he had done in over 40 years of flying.The point is, as long as the plane is safe and fun to flyand offers years of pleasure, I think everyone is betterserved. both Mr. Pietenpol and Mr. Grega used components that wererelatively inexpensive and plentiful at that time. Both offeredto the public what they felt would be a safe, fun, and inexpensiveplane to build or buy.As someone said earlier, there are no TRUE Piets other than what Mr. Pietenpol built since most have been modified in some way...no matter how small.I hope this group is not in a position to draw a line in the sand and say yours is a true PIET and yours is not. I believe the spirit and concept of the type of flying Mr. Pietenpol put on paper and later in the air is what has brought us all together.Safe flying......Mike KingGN-1 Dallas>I am building a GN-1. I have a few pictures to share if you are>interested. At the time I started my GN-1 I thought it was a real>Pietenpol. Right now I am in the process of covering the fuselage and tail>feathers. Well actually they are covered and I am applying poly-spray.>Since it isn't allowed to send attachments to the group send me your E-Mail>address and I will send you pictures. I am pleased with my GN-1 it isn't a>Piet because it has been modified some. But than there are no real>Pietenpols except those built by Pietenpol himself because everyone is>modified in some small way.>>>>I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is>>currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the construction>>and decisions that had to be made along the way.>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Hello list,On other small item about the GN-1. I have talked with Mr. Grega onseveral occasions and felt that he is a fine gentleman. I don't believethat he is trying to dupe anybody. If you look at the price he ischarging for plans (which are very well drawn) he is certainly not gettingrich.Regards - Bob Bailey> >I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is> >currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about theconstruction> >and decisions that had to be made along the way.> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
Hello list,On other small item about the GN-1. I have talked with Mr. Grega onseveral occasions and felt that he is a fine gentleman. I don't believethat he is trying to dupe anybody. If you look at the price he ischarging for plans (which are very well drawn) he is certainly not gettingrich.Regards - Bob Bailey> >I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is> >currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about theconstruction> >and decisions that had to be made along the way.> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Jim Sury makes a good point by saying that he thought he was buildinga Pietenpol. As I understand it, Bernard Pietenpol didn't advertise his design much in the 60's, 70's and 80's so the very similarly namedGN-1 Aircamper ads in Sport Aviation from John Grega drew all of theinterest. Many people also liked the low price of the GN-1 plans and knewnothing about the original Pietenpol. I have flown both types and bothare a total blast. I only favor the Piet because it generally is lighter, requires less power, and has a 'moveable' wing fore and aft to adjust forheavier pilots or engine configurations as opposed to the GN-1 whichhas a fixed wing position. To change a bad CG location in a Grega youhave to A: change the length of the engine mount, or B: use ballast.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Jim Sury makes a good point by saying that he thought he was buildinga Pietenpol. As I understand it, Bernard Pietenpol didn't advertise his design much in the 60's, 70's and 80's so the very similarly namedGN-1 Aircamper ads in Sport Aviation from John Grega drew all of theinterest. Many people also liked the low price of the GN-1 plans and knewnothing about the original Pietenpol. I have flown both types and bothare a total blast. I only favor the Piet because it generally is lighter, requires less power, and has a 'moveable' wing fore and aft to adjust forheavier pilots or engine configurations as opposed to the GN-1 whichhas a fixed wing position. To change a bad CG location in a Grega youhave to A: change the length of the engine mount, or B: use ballast.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: James Nichols
James/groupI started with a set of 1934 Piet plans and then bought a GN-1 with the ribsand tail built. That was before I knew the differences! Now I don't reallyknow what to call my aircraft, but an open cockpit parasol. Many of theGrega changes have me wondering... The aileron hinges are terrible. Howeverwhen you build and make any changes to either set of plans just be sure thatwhat you do is logical and follows sound practices. I don't think it is fairto call any of our aircraft Pietenpols except in respect to BHP and the joyhe has given us all.have funJohn Mc-----Original Message-----
James/groupI started with a set of 1934 Piet plans and then bought a GN-1 with the ribsand tail built. That was before I knew the differences! Now I don't reallyknow what to call my aircraft, but an open cockpit parasol. Many of theGrega changes have me wondering... The aileron hinges are terrible. Howeverwhen you build and make any changes to either set of plans just be sure thatwhat you do is logical and follows sound practices. I don't think it is fairto call any of our aircraft Pietenpols except in respect to BHP and the joyhe has given us all.have funJohn Mc-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: oil can
stay with the origional piet. do not use the gn-1 plans. there are manyfaults.>Hello list,>On other small item about the GN-1. I have talked with Mr. Grega on>several occasions and felt that he is a fine gentleman. I don't believe>that he is trying to dupe anybody. If you look at the price he is>charging for plans (which are very well drawn) he is certainly not getting>rich.>Regards - Bob Bailey>>> >I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is>> >currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the>construction>> >and decisions that had to be made along the way.>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________________________________________________________
stay with the origional piet. do not use the gn-1 plans. there are manyfaults.>Hello list,>On other small item about the GN-1. I have talked with Mr. Grega on>several occasions and felt that he is a fine gentleman. I don't believe>that he is trying to dupe anybody. If you look at the price he is>charging for plans (which are very well drawn) he is certainly not getting>rich.>Regards - Bob Bailey>>> >I am thinking of building a GN-1. Is there anyone out there who is>> >currently building one ? If so I would like to hear about the>construction>> >and decisions that had to be made along the way.>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: GN-1
Original Posted By: Jgmatt2(at)aol.com
Hi List. Well, the weather didn't cooperate this weekend at all, so now theguy flying my GN to Uvalde from Kansas will try again next Friday. He's acorporate pilot, and has the luxury of having each Friday, Sat, and Sun off.As luck would have it, we had very severe weather here last night (Uvalde islocated about 70 miles due West of San Antonio, and our Springtime is alwaysreally active weather wise). The reason this is "lucky" for me, is that theGN would have been under an open shed if it would have been here, and couldhave been damaged by the high winds. The local Aviation Museum has invitedme to keep the GN in their hanger eventually, which will really be nice.It's an old W.W.II hanger (Garner Field), where my Dad was taught to fly inPT 19's in 1942. Now he'll once again get to fly in an open cockpit tandemairplane. We're both looking forward to that! He's 76, and paid for myflying lessons 32 years ago, so now I finally get to give him something backin return.If anyone is interested in seeing my GN, I've posted a couple of photos onmy website. It's www.mesquite-furniture.com , scroll down the homepage tothe heading of aircraft on the bottom left-hand side, then click on that.The GN is on the bottom row of the photos.Hope none of you that are East of me get hit by this weather system. It waspretty intense for a while there last night.Thanks,Robert Hensarlinghttp://www.mesquite-furniture.comrhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.comUvalde, Texas________________________________________________________________________________
Hi List. Well, the weather didn't cooperate this weekend at all, so now theguy flying my GN to Uvalde from Kansas will try again next Friday. He's acorporate pilot, and has the luxury of having each Friday, Sat, and Sun off.As luck would have it, we had very severe weather here last night (Uvalde islocated about 70 miles due West of San Antonio, and our Springtime is alwaysreally active weather wise). The reason this is "lucky" for me, is that theGN would have been under an open shed if it would have been here, and couldhave been damaged by the high winds. The local Aviation Museum has invitedme to keep the GN in their hanger eventually, which will really be nice.It's an old W.W.II hanger (Garner Field), where my Dad was taught to fly inPT 19's in 1942. Now he'll once again get to fly in an open cockpit tandemairplane. We're both looking forward to that! He's 76, and paid for myflying lessons 32 years ago, so now I finally get to give him something backin return.If anyone is interested in seeing my GN, I've posted a couple of photos onmy website. It's www.mesquite-furniture.com , scroll down the homepage tothe heading of aircraft on the bottom left-hand side, then click on that.The GN is on the bottom row of the photos.Hope none of you that are East of me get hit by this weather system. It waspretty intense for a while there last night.Thanks,Robert Hensarlinghttp://www.mesquite-furniture.comrhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.comUvalde, Texas________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Here's an interesting web site for inexpensive hangars:http://www.cover-it-inc.com/cover_it.htmHere's a quote on a 40'x 25' hangar.Hangar with 2 sidewalls and open ends: $3,075Front, door end (curtain style door): $1,960.Most people opt not to buy either end and put up something themselves likea stud wall. Footings are 5' on center so add in the cost of 12 footings. The building will end up being 40'x25' to get the 32'-6" wingspan throughthe front opening. The 35' one is a tad too short. Door height is 7' witha peak height of 14'. They can build them larger, smaller in any dimensionup to 60' wide and any any length in 5' incriments. Height can go to 16'(32 'peak), I believe. It certainly seems pretty sturdy and I've got an e-mail into Zenith to getthier opinion.Kenrobert hensarling wrote:Hi List. Well, the weather didn't cooperate this weekend at all, so nowthe guy flying my GN to Uvalde from Kansas will try again next Friday. He's a corporate pilot, and has the luxury of having each Friday, Sat, andSun off. As luck would have it, we had very severe weather here lastnight (Uvalde is located about 70 miles due West of San Antonio, and ourSpringtime is always really active weather wise). The reason this is"lucky" for me, is that the GN would have been under an open shed if itwould have been here, and could have been damaged by the high winds. ---------- Forwarded message ----------Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:42:57 -0700 (MST)________________________________________________________________________________
Here's an interesting web site for inexpensive hangars:http://www.cover-it-inc.com/cover_it.htmHere's a quote on a 40'x 25' hangar.Hangar with 2 sidewalls and open ends: $3,075Front, door end (curtain style door): $1,960.Most people opt not to buy either end and put up something themselves likea stud wall. Footings are 5' on center so add in the cost of 12 footings. The building will end up being 40'x25' to get the 32'-6" wingspan throughthe front opening. The 35' one is a tad too short. Door height is 7' witha peak height of 14'. They can build them larger, smaller in any dimensionup to 60' wide and any any length in 5' incriments. Height can go to 16'(32 'peak), I believe. It certainly seems pretty sturdy and I've got an e-mail into Zenith to getthier opinion.Kenrobert hensarling wrote:Hi List. Well, the weather didn't cooperate this weekend at all, so nowthe guy flying my GN to Uvalde from Kansas will try again next Friday. He's a corporate pilot, and has the luxury of having each Friday, Sat, andSun off. As luck would have it, we had very severe weather here lastnight (Uvalde is located about 70 miles due West of San Antonio, and ourSpringtime is always really active weather wise). The reason this is"lucky" for me, is that the GN would have been under an open shed if itwould have been here, and could have been damaged by the high winds. ---------- Forwarded message ----------Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:42:57 -0700 (MST)________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By:> Ken Beanlands
Ken,is this Canadian$$?? Doug......
Ken,is this Canadian$$?? Doug......
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Robert, hope the transport goes well. The GN-1 you got is a great plane! I'veflown in it several times. Mikes taken pretty good care of it. I think the guyin the picture that you posted on your web site is Jay Tevis, Mike's youngerbrother. Is he the one flying it down? He's a good pilot. The Tevis family isinto flying in a big way. 'Dad'(Don) runs an airport in Emporia, Mike the oneat Chanute and Jay is a commercial pilot also. They all trek to Oshkosh everyyear and have built and restored many a airpcraft. All three are instructorsand young eagle supporters. I use to fly ultralights with them at Emporia,since I moved away I still stop in and see Mike and Jay at Chanute.Good luck with the GN-1.Greg Yotzrobert hensarling wrote:> Hi List. Well, the weather didn't cooperate this weekend at all, so now the> guy flying my GN to Uvalde from Kansas will try again next Friday. He's a> corporate pilot, and has the luxury of having each Friday, Sat, and Sun off.> As luck would have it, we had very severe weather here last night (Uvalde is> located about 70 miles due West of San Antonio, and our Springtime is always> really active weather wise). The reason this is "lucky" for me, is that the> GN would have been under an open shed if it would have been here, and could> have been damaged by the high winds. The local Aviation Museum has invited> me to keep the GN in their hanger eventually, which will really be nice.> It's an old W.W.II hanger (Garner Field), where my Dad was taught to fly in> PT 19's in 1942. Now he'll once again get to fly in an open cockpit tandem> airplane. We're both looking forward to that! He's 76, and paid for my> flying lessons 32 years ago, so now I finally get to give him something back> in return.>> If anyone is interested in seeing my GN, I've posted a couple of photos on> my website. It's www.mesquite-furniture.com , scroll down the homepage to> the heading of aircraft on the bottom left-hand side, then click on that.> The GN is on the bottom row of the photos.>> Hope none of you that are East of me get hit by this weather system. It was> pretty intense for a while there last night.>> Thanks,> Robert Hensarling> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> Uvalde, Texas________________________________________________________________________________
Robert, hope the transport goes well. The GN-1 you got is a great plane! I'veflown in it several times. Mikes taken pretty good care of it. I think the guyin the picture that you posted on your web site is Jay Tevis, Mike's youngerbrother. Is he the one flying it down? He's a good pilot. The Tevis family isinto flying in a big way. 'Dad'(Don) runs an airport in Emporia, Mike the oneat Chanute and Jay is a commercial pilot also. They all trek to Oshkosh everyyear and have built and restored many a airpcraft. All three are instructorsand young eagle supporters. I use to fly ultralights with them at Emporia,since I moved away I still stop in and see Mike and Jay at Chanute.Good luck with the GN-1.Greg Yotzrobert hensarling wrote:> Hi List. Well, the weather didn't cooperate this weekend at all, so now the> guy flying my GN to Uvalde from Kansas will try again next Friday. He's a> corporate pilot, and has the luxury of having each Friday, Sat, and Sun off.> As luck would have it, we had very severe weather here last night (Uvalde is> located about 70 miles due West of San Antonio, and our Springtime is always> really active weather wise). The reason this is "lucky" for me, is that the> GN would have been under an open shed if it would have been here, and could> have been damaged by the high winds. The local Aviation Museum has invited> me to keep the GN in their hanger eventually, which will really be nice.> It's an old W.W.II hanger (Garner Field), where my Dad was taught to fly in> PT 19's in 1942. Now he'll once again get to fly in an open cockpit tandem> airplane. We're both looking forward to that! He's 76, and paid for my> flying lessons 32 years ago, so now I finally get to give him something back> in return.>> If anyone is interested in seeing my GN, I've posted a couple of photos on> my website. It's www.mesquite-furniture.com , scroll down the homepage to> the heading of aircraft on the bottom left-hand side, then click on that.> The GN is on the bottom row of the photos.>> Hope none of you that are East of me get hit by this weather system. It was> pretty intense for a while there last night.>> Thanks,> Robert Hensarling> http://www.mesquite-furniture.com> rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com> Uvalde, Texas________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
Sorry, I should have specified. It's in USD.KenOn Sun, 28 Mar 1999, D.J.H. wrote:> Ken,is this Canadian$$??> Doug......> > Here's an interesting web site for inexpensive hangars:> > > > http://www.cover-it-inc.com/cover_it.htm> > > > Here's a quote on a 40'x 25' hangar.> > > > Hangar with 2 sidewalls and open ends: $3,075> > Front, door end (curtain style door): $1,960.> > Ken> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Sorry, I should have specified. It's in USD.KenOn Sun, 28 Mar 1999, D.J.H. wrote:> Ken,is this Canadian$$??> Doug......> > Here's an interesting web site for inexpensive hangars:> > > > http://www.cover-it-inc.com/cover_it.htm> > > > Here's a quote on a 40'x 25' hangar.> > > > Hangar with 2 sidewalls and open ends: $3,075> > Front, door end (curtain style door): $1,960.> > Ken> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
GN-1
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
Subject: GN-1 Robert wrote: > Hi Bob: There are things that are a lot different. For one the airfoil.The GN-1 does not have a Piet airfoil which is a major change. Mike B ( Piet N687MB )________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: GN-1 Robert wrote: > Hi Bob: There are things that are a lot different. For one the airfoil.The GN-1 does not have a Piet airfoil which is a major change. Mike B ( Piet N687MB )________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: GN-1
Original Posted By: Michael King
Robert wrote: > Hi Bob: There are things that are a lot different. For one the airfoil. TheGN-1 does not have a Piet airfoil which is a major change. Mike B ( Piet N687MB ) Robert wrote: size3>Hi Gene.Good to hear from you. The GN-1 was designed to use pipercubgear, andI think there are some other things that are a little different,butI'm notsuresize3> HiBob:size3> Thereare things thatare a lot different. For one the airfoil. The GN-1 does not have a Pietairfoilwhich is a major change.size3> Mike B (Piet N687MB)________________________________________________________________________________
Robert wrote: > Hi Bob: There are things that are a lot different. For one the airfoil. TheGN-1 does not have a Piet airfoil which is a major change. Mike B ( Piet N687MB ) Robert wrote: size3>Hi Gene.Good to hear from you. The GN-1 was designed to use pipercubgear, andI think there are some other things that are a little different,butI'm notsuresize3> HiBob:size3> Thereare things thatare a lot different. For one the airfoil. The GN-1 does not have a Pietairfoilwhich is a major change.size3> Mike B (Piet N687MB)________________________________________________________________________________
Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC"
Subject: Re: GN-1 I've never seen the GN-1 plans, but understand it is a totallydifferent airplane using the general outline and dimensions of the Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear and otherstuff that was cheap at one time. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Build the Pietthat others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand. John airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build my GN-1, buttraded a little ultralight straight across for it, and didn't have but$2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm very happy with theGN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world, I don't seemto worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Betterresale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think about selling your PietJohn?
) Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GN-1 I've never seen the GN-1 plans, but understand it is a totallydifferent airplane using the general outline and dimensions of the Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear and otherstuff that was cheap at one time. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Build the Pietthat others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand. John airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build my GN-1, buttraded a little ultralight straight across for it, and didn't have but$2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm very happy with theGN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world, I don't seemto worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Betterresale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think about selling your PietJohn?
) Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887 ________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1I've never seen the GN-1 plans, but understand it is a totally differentairplane using the general outline and dimensions of the Piet. One of thethings is that it was supposed to use Cub gear and other stuff that wascheap at one time.Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Build the Piet that otherswant to imitate. It has better resale I understand.John Good advise John! I think if I were going to build another airplane,I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build my GN-1, but traded a littleultralight straight across for it, and didn't have but $2,000 in theultralight, so as you can see I'm very happy with the GN-1. When I'm in theair enjoying myself and the world, I don't seem to worry all that much aboutthe Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Better resale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure,but why think about selling your Piet John?)Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1I've never seen the GN-1 plans, but understand it is a totally differentairplane using the general outline and dimensions of the Piet. One of thethings is that it was supposed to use Cub gear and other stuff that wascheap at one time.Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Build the Piet that otherswant to imitate. It has better resale I understand.John Good advise John! I think if I were going to build another airplane,I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build my GN-1, but traded a littleultralight straight across for it, and didn't have but $2,000 in theultralight, so as you can see I'm very happy with the GN-1. When I'm in theair enjoying myself and the world, I don't seem to worry all that much aboutthe Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Better resale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure,but why think about selling your Piet John?
)Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887________________________________________________________________________________Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
Subject: Re: GN-1 I've never seen the GN-1 plans, but understand it is a totallydifferent airplane using the general outline and dimensions of the Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear and otherstuff that was cheap at one time. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Build the Pietthat others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand. John airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build my GN-1, buttraded a little ultralight straight across for it, and didn't have but$2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm very happy with theGN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world, I don't seemto worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Betterresale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think about selling your PietJohn?) Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GN-1 I've never seen the GN-1 plans, but understand it is a totallydifferent airplane using the general outline and dimensions of the Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear and otherstuff that was cheap at one time. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Build the Pietthat others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand. John airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build my GN-1, buttraded a little ultralight straight across for it, and didn't have but$2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm very happy with theGN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world, I don't seemto worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Betterresale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think about selling your PietJohn?
) Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887 ________________________________________________________________________________Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: robert hensarling
Subject: Re: GN-1 I've never seen the GN-1 plans, but understand it is a totallydifferent airplane using the general outline and dimensions of the Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear and otherstuff that was cheap at one time. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Build the Pietthat others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand. John airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build my GN-1, buttraded a little ultralight straight across for it, and didn't have but$2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm very happy with theGN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world, I don't seemto worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Betterresale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think about selling your PietJohn?) Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GN-1 I've never seen the GN-1 plans, but understand it is a totallydifferent airplane using the general outline and dimensions of the Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear and otherstuff that was cheap at one time. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Build the Pietthat others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand. John airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build my GN-1, buttraded a little ultralight straight across for it, and didn't have but$2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm very happy with theGN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world, I don't seemto worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Betterresale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think about selling your PietJohn?
) Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887 ________________________________________________________________________________Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Subject: Re: GN-1 totally different airplane using the general outline and dimensions ofthe Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear andother stuff that was cheap at one time. that others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand.another airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build myGN-1, but traded a little ultralight straight across for it, anddidn't have but $2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm veryhappy with the GN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world,I don't seem to worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Better resale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think aboutselling your Piet John?)________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GN-1 totally different airplane using the general outline and dimensions ofthe Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear andother stuff that was cheap at one time. that others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand.another airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build myGN-1, but traded a little ultralight straight across for it, anddidn't have but $2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm veryhappy with the GN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world,I don't seem to worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Better resale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think aboutselling your Piet John?
)________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
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Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Subject: Re: GN-1 totally different airplane using the general outline and dimensions ofthe Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear andother stuff that was cheap at one time. that others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand.another airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build myGN-1, but traded a little ultralight straight across for it, anddidn't have but $2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm veryhappy with the GN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world,I don't seem to worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Better resale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think aboutselling your Piet John?)________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GN-1 totally different airplane using the general outline and dimensions ofthe Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear andother stuff that was cheap at one time. that others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand.another airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build myGN-1, but traded a little ultralight straight across for it, anddidn't have but $2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm veryhappy with the GN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world,I don't seem to worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Better resale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think aboutselling your Piet John?
)________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
I've never seen the GN-1 plans, but understand it is a totally differentairplane using the general outline and dimensions of the Piet. One ofthe things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear and other stuff thatwas cheap at one time. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Build the Piet that otherswant to imitate. It has better resale I understand.John -----Original Message-----
I've never seen the GN-1 plans, but understand it is a totally differentairplane using the general outline and dimensions of the Piet. One ofthe things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear and other stuff thatwas cheap at one time. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Build the Piet that otherswant to imitate. It has better resale I understand.John -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Hi All,Thank You for the education on the GN-1. I'm full of questions so youmay here more from me than you'l like , I hope not. I grew up aroundairplanes. My father was a WWII pilot and worked for Northrop Aircraftin Hawthorne California for about 37 years. I have done a little flyingmy self mostly in the right seat of a 150 or 172 on long cross countrytrips and a little around east Texas. I have built and flown modelssince I was a boy and to me a Piet looks like a big RC trainer. I'dlove to build one . In recent years a have been involved with a numberof Local EAA types in Canton , Texas. BHP's idea of keeping the cost ofaircraft ownership down to the point where the average guy could buildand fly his own plane apeals to me . My father always told me not to getinvolved with flying unless I could justify the great expense.The discussion of propeller size a pitch prompts a question from me. Isthe Corvair a good engine choise for the Piet? I know that BHP builtAir Campers with Corvair engines and I have visited William Wayane'sweb site and he has nothing but praise for the Corvair as a aircraftpower plant. But then he wants to sell prop hubs at $300 each too. Isounds like the Corvair wants to turn more RPM than the Ford A engineto be at it's best. So really is a direct drive Corvair a good choicefor the Air Camper? Keeping in mind that on a hot day in July when thedensty altitude here in East Texas is going to be a lot more than the500 feet field elevation . 200 feet per minute is not exactly going uplike a rocket any way. I can vividly recall a takeoff from Fort SmithAK in the summer of 96 in an over gross and very high time (read veryrun out engine) 152. I'm hoping that the takeoff and climb performancethay you folks typically have is somthing better than my 152 memorys. It's not a good idea to have to find terrain at you altitude whenmost of it is above you.GeneMichael Brusilow wrote:> Robert wrote: designed to use piper cub> gear, and I think there are some other things that are a little> different,> but I'm not sure>> Hi Bob: There are things that are a lot> different. For one the airfoil. The GN-1 does not have a Piet airfoil> which is a major change. Mike B ( Piet N687MB )________________________________________________________________________________
Hi All,Thank You for the education on the GN-1. I'm full of questions so youmay here more from me than you'l like , I hope not. I grew up aroundairplanes. My father was a WWII pilot and worked for Northrop Aircraftin Hawthorne California for about 37 years. I have done a little flyingmy self mostly in the right seat of a 150 or 172 on long cross countrytrips and a little around east Texas. I have built and flown modelssince I was a boy and to me a Piet looks like a big RC trainer. I'dlove to build one . In recent years a have been involved with a numberof Local EAA types in Canton , Texas. BHP's idea of keeping the cost ofaircraft ownership down to the point where the average guy could buildand fly his own plane apeals to me . My father always told me not to getinvolved with flying unless I could justify the great expense.The discussion of propeller size a pitch prompts a question from me. Isthe Corvair a good engine choise for the Piet? I know that BHP builtAir Campers with Corvair engines and I have visited William Wayane'sweb site and he has nothing but praise for the Corvair as a aircraftpower plant. But then he wants to sell prop hubs at $300 each too. Isounds like the Corvair wants to turn more RPM than the Ford A engineto be at it's best. So really is a direct drive Corvair a good choicefor the Air Camper? Keeping in mind that on a hot day in July when thedensty altitude here in East Texas is going to be a lot more than the500 feet field elevation . 200 feet per minute is not exactly going uplike a rocket any way. I can vividly recall a takeoff from Fort SmithAK in the summer of 96 in an over gross and very high time (read veryrun out engine) 152. I'm hoping that the takeoff and climb performancethay you folks typically have is somthing better than my 152 memorys. It's not a good idea to have to find terrain at you altitude whenmost of it is above you.GeneMichael Brusilow wrote:> Robert wrote: designed to use piper cub> gear, and I think there are some other things that are a little> different,> but I'm not sure>> Hi Bob: There are things that are a lot> different. For one the airfoil. The GN-1 does not have a Piet airfoil> which is a major change. Mike B ( Piet N687MB )________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: robert hensarling
I know exactly what you mean. I've been in a real tizzy about the enginequestion for my Christavia. The engine power reccommended for theChristavia is 85-150 and the gross is 1500-1650 lbs. I was also interestedin using floats in the future.So far, I started out with a Lyc. 0-235 that was in rough shape. I soldthat (for what I paid) when I started hearing things about the Subarus andseeing the price tag on overhauling the Lyc. I eventually bough two EA-81engines with the intention of tearing them down and rebuilding them. Asseveral Subaru powered planes started to fly around here, it becameapparent that they are not as good as I had been told. One has beenplagued with oil temp problems and the other had a pushrod fail. Storiesfrom two other builders reported the same sort of problems. Granted, acouple of builders have had success, but the failure rate is too high forme.Phase three. I came across a C-85 at a reasonable price that was in"running condition" on an airboat in Florida. That, combined with an A-75out of BC provided me with what I though was an inexpensive powerplant. After hearing the rebuild quote of $6000 to $7000 USD, I decided torethink my plans. All the way through, I had been worrying whether or not I had enough powerin an engine Hi All,> > for the Air Camper? Keeping in mind that on a hot day in July when the> densty altitude here in East Texas is going to be a lot more than the> 500 feet field elevation . 200 feet per minute is not exactly going up> like a rocket any way. I can vividly recall a takeoff from Fort Smith> AK in the summer of 96 in an over gross and very high time (read very> run out engine) 152. I'm hoping that the takeoff and climb performance> thay you folks typically have is somthing better than my 152 memorys> . It's not a good idea to have to find terrain at you altitude when> most of it is above you.________________________________________________________________________________
I know exactly what you mean. I've been in a real tizzy about the enginequestion for my Christavia. The engine power reccommended for theChristavia is 85-150 and the gross is 1500-1650 lbs. I was also interestedin using floats in the future.So far, I started out with a Lyc. 0-235 that was in rough shape. I soldthat (for what I paid) when I started hearing things about the Subarus andseeing the price tag on overhauling the Lyc. I eventually bough two EA-81engines with the intention of tearing them down and rebuilding them. Asseveral Subaru powered planes started to fly around here, it becameapparent that they are not as good as I had been told. One has beenplagued with oil temp problems and the other had a pushrod fail. Storiesfrom two other builders reported the same sort of problems. Granted, acouple of builders have had success, but the failure rate is too high forme.Phase three. I came across a C-85 at a reasonable price that was in"running condition" on an airboat in Florida. That, combined with an A-75out of BC provided me with what I though was an inexpensive powerplant. After hearing the rebuild quote of $6000 to $7000 USD, I decided torethink my plans. All the way through, I had been worrying whether or not I had enough powerin an engine Hi All,> > for the Air Camper? Keeping in mind that on a hot day in July when the> densty altitude here in East Texas is going to be a lot more than the> 500 feet field elevation . 200 feet per minute is not exactly going up> like a rocket any way. I can vividly recall a takeoff from Fort Smith> AK in the summer of 96 in an over gross and very high time (read very> run out engine) 152. I'm hoping that the takeoff and climb performance> thay you folks typically have is somthing better than my 152 memorys> . It's not a good idea to have to find terrain at you altitude when> most of it is above you.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: Jim Sury
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Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: robert hensarling
Subject: Re: GN-1 John, Well, 2M actual cash that is, but there was some other tradinggoing on with that deal, so it came out around 10M in total value incash and trade items. It's just that 2M sounded good for thatparticular post at the time) And, I'd be happy to give you aride, anytime! Robert Robert, I just re-read your message. You've got only 2 grand in your ship? What a deal! John -----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: GN-1 John, Well, 2M actual cash that is, but there was some other tradinggoing on with that deal, so it came out around 10M in total value incash and trade items. It's just that 2M sounded good for thatparticular post at the time
) And, I'd be happy to give you aride, anytime! Robert Robert, I just re-read your message. You've got only 2 grand in your ship? What a deal! John -----Original Message-----Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: robert hensarling
Subject: Re: GN-1 Ok John, you arn't going to be able to get me in a flame war on thelist, this is a hobby, that my Dad and I enjoy very much, and quitefrankly that's the main thing that matters to me. However, I certainlyrespect your opinions. But if GN-1 owners arn't welcomed on the list orat Brodhead, someone please let me know now, and we can avoid some ofthe comments the list is having to read, which isn't doing anyone anygood. This is about flying and fun, and if my GN-1 resembles a Pietexcept for the inside, then it really shouldn't create a problem unlessI was selling it as a true Piet. John, this is all I'll say on thistopic. Robert Hensarling GN-1 (and proud of it, and no one can take away the pride my Dad and I have in my airplane away) N83887 Robert, Good point about the resale thing. I've ridden in Kim Stricker's GN-1. A lot of fun and he gets a lotof enjoyment out of owning it. However, if I was starting from scratchand putting thousands of hours and dollars into a project, I'd opt forthe Real McCoy. I've never heard a Piet owner say he'd rather have aGN-1. John -----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: GN-1 Ok John, you arn't going to be able to get me in a flame war on thelist, this is a hobby, that my Dad and I enjoy very much, and quitefrankly that's the main thing that matters to me. However, I certainlyrespect your opinions. But if GN-1 owners arn't welcomed on the list orat Brodhead, someone please let me know now, and we can avoid some ofthe comments the list is having to read, which isn't doing anyone anygood. This is about flying and fun, and if my GN-1 resembles a Pietexcept for the inside, then it really shouldn't create a problem unlessI was selling it as a true Piet. John, this is all I'll say on thistopic. Robert Hensarling GN-1 (and proud of it, and no one can take away the pride my Dad and I have in my airplane away) N83887 Robert, Good point about the resale thing. I've ridden in Kim Stricker's GN-1. A lot of fun and he gets a lotof enjoyment out of owning it. However, if I was starting from scratchand putting thousands of hours and dollars into a project, I'd opt forthe Real McCoy. I've never heard a Piet owner say he'd rather have aGN-1. John -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: robert hensarling
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1Ok John, you arn't going to be able to get me in a flame war on the list,this is a hobby, that my Dad and I enjoy very much, and quite frankly that'sthe main thing that matters to me. However, I certainly respect youropinions. But if GN-1 owners arn't welcomed on the list or at Brodhead,someone please let me know now, and we can avoid some of the comments thelist is having to read, which isn't doing anyone any good. This is aboutflying and fun, and if my GN-1 resembles a Piet except for the inside, thenit really shouldn't create a problem unless I was selling it as a true Piet.John, this is all I'll say on this topic.Robert Hensarling GN-1 (and proud of it, and no one can take away the pridemy Dad and I have in my airplane away) N83887Robert,Good point about the resale thing.I've ridden in Kim Stricker's GN-1. A lot of fun and he gets a lot ofenjoyment out of owning it. However, if I was starting from scratch andputting thousands of hours and dollars into a project, I'd opt for the RealMcCoy. I've never heard a Piet owner say he'd rather have a GN-1.John-----Original Message-----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1Ok John, you arn't going to be able to get me in a flame war on the list,this is a hobby, that my Dad and I enjoy very much, and quite frankly that'sthe main thing that matters to me. However, I certainly respect youropinions. But if GN-1 owners arn't welcomed on the list or at Brodhead,someone please let me know now, and we can avoid some of the comments thelist is having to read, which isn't doing anyone any good. This is aboutflying and fun, and if my GN-1 resembles a Piet except for the inside, thenit really shouldn't create a problem unless I was selling it as a true Piet.John, this is all I'll say on this topic.Robert Hensarling GN-1 (and proud of it, and no one can take away the pridemy Dad and I have in my airplane away) N83887Robert,Good point about the resale thing.I've ridden in Kim Stricker's GN-1. A lot of fun and he gets a lot ofenjoyment out of owning it. However, if I was starting from scratch andputting thousands of hours and dollars into a project, I'd opt for the RealMcCoy. I've never heard a Piet owner say he'd rather have a GN-1.John-----Original Message-----
Re: GN-1
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
Subject: Re: GN-1 Ok John, you arn't going to be able to get me in a flame war onthe list, this is a hobby, that my Dad and I enjoy very much, and quitefrankly that's the main thing that matters to me. However, I certainlyrespect your opinions. But if GN-1 owners arn't welcomed on the list orat Brodhead, someone please let me know now, and we can avoid some ofthe comments the list is having to read, which isn't doing anyone anygood. This is about flying and fun, and if my GN-1 resembles a Pietexcept for the inside, then it really shouldn't create a problem unlessI was selling it as a true Piet. John, this is all I'll say on thistopic. Robert Hensarling GN-1 (and proud of it, and no one can takeaway the pride my Dad and I have in my airplane away) N83887 Robert, Good point about the resale thing. I've ridden in Kim Stricker's GN-1. A lot of fun and he gets alot of enjoyment out of owning it. However, if I was starting fromscratch and putting thousands of hours and dollars into a project, I'dopt for the Real McCoy. I've never heard a Piet owner say he'd ratherhave a GN-1. John totally different airplane using the general outline and dimensions ofthe Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear andother stuff that was cheap at one time. Piet that others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand.another airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build myGN-1, but traded a little ultralight straight across for it, anddidn't have but $2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm veryhappy with the GN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world,I don't seem to worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Better resale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think aboutselling your Piet John?)________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GN-1 Ok John, you arn't going to be able to get me in a flame war onthe list, this is a hobby, that my Dad and I enjoy very much, and quitefrankly that's the main thing that matters to me. However, I certainlyrespect your opinions. But if GN-1 owners arn't welcomed on the list orat Brodhead, someone please let me know now, and we can avoid some ofthe comments the list is having to read, which isn't doing anyone anygood. This is about flying and fun, and if my GN-1 resembles a Pietexcept for the inside, then it really shouldn't create a problem unlessI was selling it as a true Piet. John, this is all I'll say on thistopic. Robert Hensarling GN-1 (and proud of it, and no one can takeaway the pride my Dad and I have in my airplane away) N83887 Robert, Good point about the resale thing. I've ridden in Kim Stricker's GN-1. A lot of fun and he gets alot of enjoyment out of owning it. However, if I was starting fromscratch and putting thousands of hours and dollars into a project, I'dopt for the Real McCoy. I've never heard a Piet owner say he'd ratherhave a GN-1. John totally different airplane using the general outline and dimensions ofthe Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear andother stuff that was cheap at one time. Piet that others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand.another airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build myGN-1, but traded a little ultralight straight across for it, anddidn't have but $2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm veryhappy with the GN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world,I don't seem to worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Better resale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think aboutselling your Piet John?
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Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Re: GN-1 Ok John, you arn't going to be able to get me in a flame war onthe list, this is a hobby, that my Dad and I enjoy very much, and quitefrankly that's the main thing that matters to me. However, I certainlyrespect your opinions. But if GN-1 owners arn't welcomed on the list orat Brodhead, someone please let me know now, and we can avoid some ofthe comments the list is having to read, which isn't doing anyone anygood. This is about flying and fun, and if my GN-1 resembles a Pietexcept for the inside, then it really shouldn't create a problem unlessI was selling it as a true Piet. John, this is all I'll say on thistopic. Robert Hensarling GN-1 (and proud of it, and no one can takeaway the pride my Dad and I have in my airplane away) N83887 Robert, Good point about the resale thing. I've ridden in Kim Stricker's GN-1. A lot of fun and he gets alot of enjoyment out of owning it. However, if I was starting fromscratch and putting thousands of hours and dollars into a project, I'dopt for the Real McCoy. I've never heard a Piet owner say he'd ratherhave a GN-1. John totally different airplane using the general outline and dimensions ofthe Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear andother stuff that was cheap at one time. Piet that others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand.another airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build myGN-1, but traded a little ultralight straight across for it, anddidn't have but $2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm veryhappy with the GN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world,I don't seem to worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Better resale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think aboutselling your Piet John?)________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GN-1 Ok John, you arn't going to be able to get me in a flame war onthe list, this is a hobby, that my Dad and I enjoy very much, and quitefrankly that's the main thing that matters to me. However, I certainlyrespect your opinions. But if GN-1 owners arn't welcomed on the list orat Brodhead, someone please let me know now, and we can avoid some ofthe comments the list is having to read, which isn't doing anyone anygood. This is about flying and fun, and if my GN-1 resembles a Pietexcept for the inside, then it really shouldn't create a problem unlessI was selling it as a true Piet. John, this is all I'll say on thistopic. Robert Hensarling GN-1 (and proud of it, and no one can takeaway the pride my Dad and I have in my airplane away) N83887 Robert, Good point about the resale thing. I've ridden in Kim Stricker's GN-1. A lot of fun and he gets alot of enjoyment out of owning it. However, if I was starting fromscratch and putting thousands of hours and dollars into a project, I'dopt for the Real McCoy. I've never heard a Piet owner say he'd ratherhave a GN-1. John totally different airplane using the general outline and dimensions ofthe Piet. One of the things is that it was supposed to use Cub gear andother stuff that was cheap at one time. Piet that others want to imitate. It has better resale I understand.another airplane, I'd use the original plans also (I didn't build myGN-1, but traded a little ultralight straight across for it, anddidn't have but $2,000 in the ultralight, so as you can see I'm veryhappy with the GN-1. When I'm in the air enjoying myself and the world,I don't seem to worry all that much about the Piet/GN-1 thing). Resale?? Better resale?? Yes, probably, I'm sure, but why think aboutselling your Piet John?
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