Original Posted By:>> > > >> > wayne
>> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>> > >>> > >>> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,>> > > >>> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information aboutthe>> > > streamline>> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced>> internally,>> > > and what>> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and>> what is the>> > > source?>> > > >>> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about>> figuring out>> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?>> > > >>> > > >Mark Boynton>> > > >Gilbert, Arizona>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in thebicycle>> > > industry we>> > > >call>> > > >> it airfoil tubing)>> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall>> auminum tubing. The>> > > major>> > > >axis>> > > >> is 3.125 and>> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys>> think that it>> > > would>> > > >work>> > > >> for lift struts.>> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.>> > > >>>> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:>> > > >>>> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......>> > > >> >>> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 typesteel>> > > you'll>> > > >gain>> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamlinetube>> > > will carry>> > > >a>> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a>> Cub are P L E N>> > > T Y>> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rustand>> > > corrosion.>> > > >> >>> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft>> steel was 1020.>> > > >> >>> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small>> tubes. I've>> > > never>> > > >heard>> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from>> negative gs) and>> > > causing>> > > >an>> > > >> > accident in a Piet.>> > > >> >>> > > >> > John>> > > >> >>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Streamlined tube
>> > > >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
>> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube>> > > >> >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlinedstruts>> > > from cubs.>> > > >Is>> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way>> to tell? I'd>> > > like>> > > >to>> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic>> said he used>> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the>> standard wing>> > > strut>> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was>> welded inside>> > > the>> > > >other>> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What'sthe>> > > group>> > > >opinion>> > > >> > >here?>> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single>> or going dual>> > > >ignition?>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>> > > >> > >>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >_______________________________________________________>> > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > _______________________________________________________>> >>>>>>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with youreyes>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will alwaysbe.>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube>> > > >> >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlinedstruts>> > > from cubs.>> > > >Is>> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way>> to tell? I'd>> > > like>> > > >to>> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic>> said he used>> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the>> standard wing>> > > strut>> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was>> welded inside>> > > the>> > > >other>> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What'sthe>> > > group>> > > >opinion>> > > >> > >here?>> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single>> or going dual>> > > >ignition?>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>> > > >> > >>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >_______________________________________________________>> > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > _______________________________________________________>> >>>>>>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with youreyes>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will alwaysbe.>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
> >> Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> >> > > mboynton(at)excite.com
> Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> > > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> >> >Steve Eldredge> >IT Services> >Brigham Young University> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----> >> Behalf Of Ken> >> Beanlands> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion> >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >>> >>> >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> >> the stuff> >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> >> they were> >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this> >> morning?
> >>> >> Ken> >>> >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> >>> >> > Howard'> >> >> >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> >> shipping, is for four -> >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good> >> > alternative.> >> >> >> > Mark> >> >> >> >> >> > > Mark:> >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> >> lengths which will> >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> >> fits over your> >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> >> foot. LEAF part> >> > > # A2685> >> > >> >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> >> > >> >> > > H.W.> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> > > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> >> >Steve Eldredge> >IT Services> >Brigham Young University> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----> >> Behalf Of Ken> >> Beanlands> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion> >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >>> >>> >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> >> the stuff> >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> >> they were> >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this> >> morning?
> >>> >> Ken> >>> >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> >>> >> > Howard'> >> >> >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> >> shipping, is for four -> >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good> >> > alternative.> >> >> >> > Mark> >> >> >> >> >> > > Mark:> >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> >> lengths which will> >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> >> fits over your> >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> >> foot. LEAF part> >> > > # A2685> >> > >> >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> >> > >> >> > > H.W.> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > -----Original Message-----> >> > > Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> >> > > >> > wayne
> >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> >> > > >> >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about> the> >> > > streamline> >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> >> internally,> >> > > and what> >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> >> what is the> >> > > source?> >> > > >> >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> >> figuring out> >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?> >> > > >> >> > > >Mark Boynton> >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> bicycle> >> > > industry we> >> > > >call> >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> >> auminum tubing. The> >> > > major> >> > > >axis> >> > > >> is 3.125 and> >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> >> think that it> >> > > would> >> > > >work> >> > > >> for lift struts.> >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> >> > > >>> >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> >> > > >>> >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type> steel> >> > > you'll> >> > > >gain> >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline> tube> >> > > will carry> >> > > >a> >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> >> Cub are P L E N> >> > > T Y> >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust> and> >> > > corrosion.> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> >> steel was 1020.> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> >> tubes. I've> >> > > never> >> > > >heard> >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> >> negative gs) and> >> > > causing> >> > > >an> >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > John> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> >> > > >> >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about> the> >> > > streamline> >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> >> internally,> >> > > and what> >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> >> what is the> >> > > source?> >> > > >> >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> >> figuring out> >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?> >> > > >> >> > > >Mark Boynton> >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> bicycle> >> > > industry we> >> > > >call> >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> >> auminum tubing. The> >> > > major> >> > > >axis> >> > > >> is 3.125 and> >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> >> think that it> >> > > would> >> > > >work> >> > > >> for lift struts.> >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> >> > > >>> >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> >> > > >>> >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type> steel> >> > > you'll> >> > > >gain> >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline> tube> >> > > will carry> >> > > >a> >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> >> Cub are P L E N> >> > > T Y> >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust> and> >> > > corrosion.> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> >> steel was 1020.> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> >> tubes. I've> >> > > never> >> > > >heard> >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> >> negative gs) and> >> > > causing> >> > > >an> >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > John> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
> >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined> struts> >> > > from cubs.> >> > > >Is> >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> >> to tell? I'd> >> > > like> >> > > >to> >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> >> said he used> >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> >> standard wing> >> > > strut> >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> >> welded inside> >> > > the> >> > > >other> >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's> the> >> > > group> >> > > >opinion> >> > > >> > >here?> >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> >> or going dual> >> > > >ignition?> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________________> >> >> >>> >>> >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your> eyes> >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always> be.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
> >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined> struts> >> > > from cubs.> >> > > >Is> >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> >> to tell? I'd> >> > > like> >> > > >to> >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> >> said he used> >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> >> standard wing> >> > > strut> >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> >> welded inside> >> > > the> >> > > >other> >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's> the> >> > > group> >> > > >opinion> >> > > >> > >here?> >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> >> or going dual> >> > > >ignition?> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________________> >> >> >>> >>> >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your> eyes> >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always> be.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
> > >> Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> > >> > > mboynton(at)excite.com
> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> >> >> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> > >> > >Steve Eldredge> > >IT Services> > >Brigham Young University> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> Behalf Of Ken> > >> Beanlands> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >>> > >>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> > >> the stuff> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> > >> they were> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this> > >> morning?> > >>> > >> Ken> > >>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> > >>> > >> > Howard'> > >> >> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> > >> shipping, is for four -> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good> > >> > alternative.> > >> >> > >> > Mark> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > Mark:> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> > >> lengths which will> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> > >> fits over your> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> > >> foot. LEAF part> > >> > > # A2685> > >> > >> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> > >> > >> > >> > > H.W.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> >> >> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> > >> > >Steve Eldredge> > >IT Services> > >Brigham Young University> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> Behalf Of Ken> > >> Beanlands> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >>> > >>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> > >> the stuff> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> > >> they were> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this> > >> morning?
> > >>> > >> Ken> > >>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> > >>> > >> > Howard'> > >> >> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> > >> shipping, is for four -> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good> > >> > alternative.> > >> >> > >> > Mark> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > Mark:> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> > >> lengths which will> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> > >> fits over your> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> > >> foot. LEAF part> > >> > > # A2685> > >> > >> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> > >> > >> > >> > > H.W.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > >> > > Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> > >> > > >> > wayne
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about> > the> > >> > > streamline> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> > >> internally,> > >> > > and what> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> > >> what is the> > >> > > source?> > >> > > >> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> > >> figuring out> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Mark Boynton> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> > bicycle> > >> > > industry we> > >> > > >call> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> > >> auminum tubing. The> > >> > > major> > >> > > >axis> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> > >> think that it> > >> > > would> > >> > > >work> > >> > > >> for lift struts.> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type> > steel> > >> > > you'll> > >> > > >gain> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline> > tube> > >> > > will carry> > >> > > >a> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> > >> Cub are P L E N> > >> > > T Y> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust> > and> > >> > > corrosion.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> > >> steel was 1020.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> > >> tubes. I've> > >> > > never> > >> > > >heard> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> > >> negative gs) and> > >> > > causing> > >> > > >an> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > John> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about> > the> > >> > > streamline> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> > >> internally,> > >> > > and what> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> > >> what is the> > >> > > source?> > >> > > >> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> > >> figuring out> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Mark Boynton> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> > bicycle> > >> > > industry we> > >> > > >call> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> > >> auminum tubing. The> > >> > > major> > >> > > >axis> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> > >> think that it> > >> > > would> > >> > > >work> > >> > > >> for lift struts.> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type> > steel> > >> > > you'll> > >> > > >gain> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline> > tube> > >> > > will carry> > >> > > >a> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> > >> Cub are P L E N> > >> > > T Y> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust> > and> > >> > > corrosion.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> > >> steel was 1020.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> > >> tubes. I've> > >> > > never> > >> > > >heard> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> > >> negative gs) and> > >> > > causing> > >> > > >an> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > John> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC"
> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined> > struts> > >> > > from cubs.> > >> > > >Is> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> > >> to tell? I'd> > >> > > like> > >> > > >to> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> > >> said he used> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> > >> standard wing> > >> > > strut> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> > >> welded inside> > >> > > the> > >> > > >other> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's> > the> > >> > > group> > >> > > >opinion> > >> > > >> > >here?> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> > >> or going dual> > >> > > >ignition?> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________________> > >> >> > >>> > >>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your> > eyes> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always> > be.> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> >>________________________________________________________________________________
> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined> > struts> > >> > > from cubs.> > >> > > >Is> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> > >> to tell? I'd> > >> > > like> > >> > > >to> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> > >> said he used> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> > >> standard wing> > >> > > strut> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> > >> welded inside> > >> > > the> > >> > > >other> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's> > the> > >> > > group> > >> > > >opinion> > >> > > >> > >here?> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> > >> or going dual> > >> > > >ignition?> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________________> > >> >> > >>> > >>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your> > eyes> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always> > be.> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> >>________________________________________________________________________________
> > >> Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> > >> > > mboynton(at)excite.com
> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> >> >> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> > >> > >Steve Eldredge> > >IT Services> > >Brigham Young University> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> Behalf Of Ken> > >> Beanlands> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >>> > >>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> > >> the stuff> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> > >> they were> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call= this> > >> morning?> > >>> > >> Ken> > >>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> > >>> > >> > Howard'> > >> >> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> > >> shipping, is for four -> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be agood> > >> > alternative.> > >> >> > >> > Mark> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > Mark:> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> > >> lengths which will> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> > >> fits over your> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> > >> foot. LEAF part> > >> > > # A2685> > >> > >> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> > >> > >> > >> > > H.W.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> >> >> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> > >> > >Steve Eldredge> > >IT Services> > >Brigham Young University> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> Behalf Of Ken> > >> Beanlands> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >>> > >>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> > >> the stuff> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> > >> they were> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call= this> > >> morning?
> > >>> > >> Ken> > >>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> > >>> > >> > Howard'> > >> >> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> > >> shipping, is for four -> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be agood> > >> > alternative.> > >> >> > >> > Mark> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > Mark:> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> > >> lengths which will> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> > >> fits over your> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> > >> foot. LEAF part> > >> > > # A2685> > >> > >> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> > >> > >> > >> > > H.W.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > >> > > Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> > >> > > >> > wayne
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information abo=ut> > the> > >> > > streamline> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> > >> internally,> > >> > > and what> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> > >> what is the> > >> > > source?> > >> > > >> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> > >> figuring out> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing=?> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Mark Boynton> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> > bicycle> > >> > > industry we> > >> > > >call> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> > >> auminum tubing. The> > >> > > major> > >> > > >axis> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> > >> think that it> > >> > > would> > >> > > >work> > >> > > >> for lift struts.> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 ty=pe> > steel> > >> > > you'll> > >> > > >gain> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streaml=ine> > tube> > >> > > will carry> > >> > > >a> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> > >> Cub are P L E N> > >> > > T Y> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for r=ust> > and> > >> > > corrosion.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> > >> steel was 1020.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> > >> tubes. I've> > >> > > never> > >> > > >heard> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> > >> negative gs) and> > >> > > causing> > >> > > >an> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > John> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information abo=ut> > the> > >> > > streamline> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> > >> internally,> > >> > > and what> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> > >> what is the> > >> > > source?> > >> > > >> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> > >> figuring out> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing=?> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Mark Boynton> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> > bicycle> > >> > > industry we> > >> > > >call> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> > >> auminum tubing. The> > >> > > major> > >> > > >axis> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> > >> think that it> > >> > > would> > >> > > >work> > >> > > >> for lift struts.> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 ty=pe> > steel> > >> > > you'll> > >> > > >gain> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streaml=ine> > tube> > >> > > will carry> > >> > > >a> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> > >> Cub are P L E N> > >> > > T Y> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for r=ust> > and> > >> > > corrosion.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> > >> steel was 1020.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> > >> tubes. I've> > >> > > never> > >> > > >heard> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> > >> negative gs) and> > >> > > causing> > >> > > >an> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > John> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: Patrick Panzera
> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamline=d> > struts> > >> > > from cubs.> > >> > > >Is> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> > >> to tell? I'd> > >> > > like> > >> > > >to> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> > >> said he used> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> > >> standard wing> > >> > > strut> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> > >> welded inside> > >> > > the> > >> > > >other> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. Wha=t's> > the> > >> > > group> > >> > > >opinion> > >> > > >> > >here?> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> > >> or going dual> > >> > > >ignition?> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________________> > >> >> > >>> > >>****)> > >>-GRENlan>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with yo=ur> > eyes> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will alw=ays> > be.> > >>****> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> >>**>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your ey=es> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always b=e.**>>________________________________________________________________________________
> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamline=d> > struts> > >> > > from cubs.> > >> > > >Is> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> > >> to tell? I'd> > >> > > like> > >> > > >to> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> > >> said he used> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> > >> standard wing> > >> > > strut> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> > >> welded inside> > >> > > the> > >> > > >other> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. Wha=t's> > the> > >> > > group> > >> > > >opinion> > >> > > >> > >here?> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> > >> or going dual> > >> > > >ignition?> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________________> > >> >> > >>> > >>****)> > >>-GRENlan>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with yo=ur> > eyes> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will alw=ays> > be.> > >>****> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> >>**>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your ey=es> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always b=e.**>>________________________________________________________________________________
> >> Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> >> > > mboynton(at)excite.com
> Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> > > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> >> >Steve Eldredge> >IT Services> >Brigham Young University> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----> >> Behalf Of Ken> >> Beanlands> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion> >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >>> >>> >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> >> the stuff> >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> >> they were> >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this> >> morning?> >>> >> Ken> >>> >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> >>> >> > Howard'> >> >> >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> >> shipping, is for four -> >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good> >> > alternative.> >> >> >> > Mark> >> >> >> >> >> > > Mark:> >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> >> lengths which will> >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> >> fits over your> >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> >> foot. LEAF part> >> > > # A2685> >> > >> >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> >> > >> >> > > H.W.> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> > > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> >> >Steve Eldredge> >IT Services> >Brigham Young University> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----> >> Behalf Of Ken> >> Beanlands> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> >> To: Pietenpol Discussion> >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >>> >>> >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> >> the stuff> >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> >> they were> >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this> >> morning?
> >>> >> Ken> >>> >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> >>> >> > Howard'> >> >> >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> >> shipping, is for four -> >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good> >> > alternative.> >> >> >> > Mark> >> >> >> >> >> > > Mark:> >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> >> lengths which will> >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> >> fits over your> >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> >> foot. LEAF part> >> > > # A2685> >> > >> >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> >> > >> >> > > H.W.> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > -----Original Message-----> >> > > Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> >> > > >> > wayne
> >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> >> > > >> >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about> the> >> > > streamline> >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> >> internally,> >> > > and what> >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> >> what is the> >> > > source?> >> > > >> >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> >> figuring out> >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?> >> > > >> >> > > >Mark Boynton> >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> bicycle> >> > > industry we> >> > > >call> >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> >> auminum tubing. The> >> > > major> >> > > >axis> >> > > >> is 3.125 and> >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> >> think that it> >> > > would> >> > > >work> >> > > >> for lift struts.> >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> >> > > >>> >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> >> > > >>> >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type> steel> >> > > you'll> >> > > >gain> >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline> tube> >> > > will carry> >> > > >a> >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> >> Cub are P L E N> >> > > T Y> >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust> and> >> > > corrosion.> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> >> steel was 1020.> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> >> tubes. I've> >> > > never> >> > > >heard> >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> >> negative gs) and> >> > > causing> >> > > >an> >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > John> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> >> > > >> >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about> the> >> > > streamline> >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> >> internally,> >> > > and what> >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> >> what is the> >> > > source?> >> > > >> >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> >> figuring out> >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?> >> > > >> >> > > >Mark Boynton> >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> bicycle> >> > > industry we> >> > > >call> >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> >> auminum tubing. The> >> > > major> >> > > >axis> >> > > >> is 3.125 and> >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> >> think that it> >> > > would> >> > > >work> >> > > >> for lift struts.> >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> >> > > >>> >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> >> > > >>> >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type> steel> >> > > you'll> >> > > >gain> >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline> tube> >> > > will carry> >> > > >a> >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> >> Cub are P L E N> >> > > T Y> >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust> and> >> > > corrosion.> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> >> steel was 1020.> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> >> tubes. I've> >> > > never> >> > > >heard> >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> >> negative gs) and> >> > > causing> >> > > >an> >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > John> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
> >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined> struts> >> > > from cubs.> >> > > >Is> >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> >> to tell? I'd> >> > > like> >> > > >to> >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> >> said he used> >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> >> standard wing> >> > > strut> >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> >> welded inside> >> > > the> >> > > >other> >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's> the> >> > > group> >> > > >opinion> >> > > >> > >here?> >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> >> or going dual> >> > > >ignition?> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________________> >> >> >>> >>> >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your> eyes> >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always> be.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
> >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined> struts> >> > > from cubs.> >> > > >Is> >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> >> to tell? I'd> >> > > like> >> > > >to> >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> >> said he used> >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> >> standard wing> >> > > strut> >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> >> welded inside> >> > > the> >> > > >other> >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's> the> >> > > group> >> > > >opinion> >> > > >> > >here?> >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> >> or going dual> >> > > >ignition?> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________________> >> >> >>> >>> >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your> eyes> >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always> be.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
> > >> Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> > >> > > mboynton(at)excite.com
> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> > > > > > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> > >> > >Steve Eldredge> > >IT Services> > >Brigham Young University> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> Behalf Of Ken> > >> Beanlands> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >>> > >>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> > >> the stuff> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> > >> they were> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this> > >> morning?> > >>> > >> Ken> > >>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> > >>> > >> > Howard'> > >> >> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> > >> shipping, is for four -> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good> > >> > alternative.> > >> >> > >> > Mark> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > Mark:> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> > >> lengths which will> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> > >> fits over your> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> > >> foot. LEAF part> > >> > > # A2685> > >> > >> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> > >> > >> > >> > > H.W.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> > > > > > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> > >> > >Steve Eldredge> > >IT Services> > >Brigham Young University> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> Behalf Of Ken> > >> Beanlands> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >>> > >>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> > >> the stuff> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> > >> they were> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this> > >> morning?
> > >>> > >> Ken> > >>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> > >>> > >> > Howard'> > >> >> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> > >> shipping, is for four -> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good> > >> > alternative.> > >> >> > >> > Mark> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > Mark:> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> > >> lengths which will> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> > >> fits over your> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> > >> foot. LEAF part> > >> > > # A2685> > >> > >> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> > >> > >> > >> > > H.W.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > >> > > Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> > >> > > >> > wayne
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about> > the> > >> > > streamline> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> > >> internally,> > >> > > and what> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> > >> what is the> > >> > > source?> > >> > > >> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> > >> figuring out> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Mark Boynton> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> > bicycle> > >> > > industry we> > >> > > >call> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> > >> auminum tubing. The> > >> > > major> > >> > > >axis> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> > >> think that it> > >> > > would> > >> > > >work> > >> > > >> for lift struts.> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type> > steel> > >> > > you'll> > >> > > >gain> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline> > tube> > >> > > will carry> > >> > > >a> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> > >> Cub are P L E N> > >> > > T Y> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust> > and> > >> > > corrosion.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> > >> steel was 1020.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> > >> tubes. I've> > >> > > never> > >> > > >heard> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> > >> negative gs) and> > >> > > causing> > >> > > >an> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > John> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about> > the> > >> > > streamline> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> > >> internally,> > >> > > and what> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> > >> what is the> > >> > > source?> > >> > > >> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> > >> figuring out> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Mark Boynton> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> > bicycle> > >> > > industry we> > >> > > >call> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> > >> auminum tubing. The> > >> > > major> > >> > > >axis> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> > >> think that it> > >> > > would> > >> > > >work> > >> > > >> for lift struts.> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type> > steel> > >> > > you'll> > >> > > >gain> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline> > tube> > >> > > will carry> > >> > > >a> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> > >> Cub are P L E N> > >> > > T Y> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust> > and> > >> > > corrosion.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> > >> steel was 1020.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> > >> tubes. I've> > >> > > never> > >> > > >heard> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> > >> negative gs) and> > >> > > causing> > >> > > >an> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > John> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined> > struts> > >> > > from cubs.> > >> > > >Is> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> > >> to tell? I'd> > >> > > like> > >> > > >to> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> > >> said he used> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> > >> standard wing> > >> > > strut> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> > >> welded inside> > >> > > the> > >> > > >other> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's> > the> > >> > > group> > >> > > >opinion> > >> > > >> > >here?> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> > >> or going dual> > >> > > >ignition?> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________________> > >> >> > >>> > >>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your> > eyes> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always> > be.> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________> ________________________________________________________________________________
> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined> > struts> > >> > > from cubs.> > >> > > >Is> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> > >> to tell? I'd> > >> > > like> > >> > > >to> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> > >> said he used> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> > >> standard wing> > >> > > strut> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> > >> welded inside> > >> > > the> > >> > > >other> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's> > the> > >> > > group> > >> > > >opinion> > >> > > >> > >here?> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> > >> or going dual> > >> > > >ignition?> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________________> > >> >> > >>> > >>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your> > eyes> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always> > be.> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________> ________________________________________________________________________________
>> > >> Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:>> > >> > > mboynton(at)excite.com
>> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube>> >>> >>> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?>> > >>> > >Steve Eldredge>> > >IT Services>> > >Brigham Young University>> > >>> > >>> > >> -----Original Message----->> > >> Behalf Of Ken>> > >> Beanlands>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM>> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion>> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered>> > >> the stuff>> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as>> > >> they were>> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else cal=lthis>> > >> morning?>> > >>>> > >> Ken>> > >>>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:>> > >>>> > >> > Howard'>> > >> >>> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without>> > >> shipping, is for four ->> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be agood>> > >> > alternative.>> > >> >>> > >> > Mark>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > > Mark:>> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'>> > >> lengths which will>> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material>> > >> fits over your>> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per>> > >> foot. LEAF part>> > >> > > # A2685>> > >> > >>> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC>> > >> > >>> > >> > > H.W.>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube>> >>> >>> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?>> > >>> > >Steve Eldredge>> > >IT Services>> > >Brigham Young University>> > >>> > >>> > >> -----Original Message----->> > >> Behalf Of Ken>> > >> Beanlands>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM>> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion>> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered>> > >> the stuff>> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as>> > >> they were>> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else cal=lthis>> > >> morning?
>> > >>>> > >> Ken>> > >>>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:>> > >>>> > >> > Howard'>> > >> >>> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without>> > >> shipping, is for four ->> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be agood>> > >> > alternative.>> > >> >>> > >> > Mark>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > > Mark:>> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'>> > >> lengths which will>> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material>> > >> fits over your>> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per>> > >> foot. LEAF part>> > >> > > # A2685>> > >> > >>> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC>> > >> > >>> > >> > > H.W.>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > > -----Original Message----->> > >> > > Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:>> > >> > > >> > wayne
>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more informationabout>> > the>> > >> > > streamline>> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced>> > >> internally,>> > >> > > and what>> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and>> > >> what is the>> > >> > > source?>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about>> > >> figuring out>> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamlinetubing?>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >Mark Boynton>> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the>> > bicycle>> > >> > > industry we>> > >> > > >call>> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)>> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall>> > >> auminum tubing. The>> > >> > > major>> > >> > > >axis>> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and>> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys>> > >> think that it>> > >> > > would>> > >> > > >work>> > >> > > >> for lift struts.>> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130type>> > steel>> > >> > > you'll>> > >> > > >gain>> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in sectionstreamline>> > tube>> > >> > > will carry>> > >> > > >a>> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a>> > >> Cub are P L E N>> > >> > > T Y>> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully forrust>> > and>> > >> > > corrosion.>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft>> > >> steel was 1020.>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small>> > >> tubes. I've>> > >> > > never>> > >> > > >heard>> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from>> > >> negative gs) and>> > >> > > causing>> > >> > > >an>> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > John>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more informationabout>> > the>> > >> > > streamline>> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced>> > >> internally,>> > >> > > and what>> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and>> > >> what is the>> > >> > > source?>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about>> > >> figuring out>> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamlinetubing?>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >Mark Boynton>> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the>> > bicycle>> > >> > > industry we>> > >> > > >call>> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)>> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall>> > >> auminum tubing. The>> > >> > > major>> > >> > > >axis>> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and>> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys>> > >> think that it>> > >> > > would>> > >> > > >work>> > >> > > >> for lift struts.>> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130type>> > steel>> > >> > > you'll>> > >> > > >gain>> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in sectionstreamline>> > tube>> > >> > > will carry>> > >> > > >a>> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a>> > >> Cub are P L E N>> > >> > > T Y>> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully forrust>> > and>> > >> > > corrosion.>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft>> > >> steel was 1020.>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small>> > >> tubes. I've>> > >> > > never>> > >> > > >heard>> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from>> > >> negative gs) and>> > >> > > causing>> > >> > > >an>> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > John>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >> > > >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
>> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock ofstreamlined>> > struts>> > >> > > from cubs.>> > >> > > >Is>> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way>> > >> to tell? I'd>> > >> > > like>> > >> > > >to>> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic>> > >> said he used>> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the>> > >> standard wing>> > >> > > strut>> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was>> > >> welded inside>> > >> > > the>> > >> > > >other>> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient.What's>> > the>> > >> > > group>> > >> > > >opinion>> > >> > > >> > >here?>> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single>> > >> or going dual>> > >> > > >ignition?>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________>> > >> > > >>> > >> > >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > _______________________________________________________>> > >> >>> > >>>> > >>>> >(Aerospace)>> > >>C-GREN>> > >> (_) (_)>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk withyour>> > eyes>> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you willalways>> > be.>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> >>>>>>>N>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with youreyes>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will alwaysbe.>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube>> > >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock ofstreamlined>> > struts>> > >> > > from cubs.>> > >> > > >Is>> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way>> > >> to tell? I'd>> > >> > > like>> > >> > > >to>> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic>> > >> said he used>> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the>> > >> standard wing>> > >> > > strut>> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was>> > >> welded inside>> > >> > > the>> > >> > > >other>> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient.What's>> > the>> > >> > > group>> > >> > > >opinion>> > >> > > >> > >here?>> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single>> > >> or going dual>> > >> > > >ignition?>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________>> > >> > > >>> > >> > >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > _______________________________________________________>> > >> >>> > >>>> > >>>> >(Aerospace)>> > >>C-GREN>> > >> (_) (_)>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk withyour>> > eyes>> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you willalways>> > be.>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> >>>>>>>N>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with youreyes>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will alwaysbe.>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>>> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
>>> > Subject: Streamlined tube>>> >>>> > >>>> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined struts>from cubs.>>Is>>> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way to tell? I'd>like>>to>>> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic said he used>>> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the standard wing>strut>>> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was welded inside>the>>other>>> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's the>group>>opinion>>> > >here?>>> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single or going dual>>ignition?>>> > >>>> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>>> > Subject: Streamlined tube>>> >>>> > >>>> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined struts>from cubs.>>Is>>> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way to tell? I'd>like>>to>>> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic said he used>>> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the standard wing>strut>>> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was welded inside>the>>other>>> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's the>group>>opinion>>> > >here?>>> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single or going dual>>ignition?>>> > >>>> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>> Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:>> >> > wayne
>> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>> >> >> >To Mike Cushway and all,>> >>> >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about the>> streamline>> >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced internally,>> and what>> >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and what is the>> source?>> >>> >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about figuring out>> >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?>> >>> >Mark Boynton>> >Gilbert, Arizona>> >>> >>> >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the bicycle>> industry we>> >call>> >> it airfoil tubing)>> >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall auminum tubing. The>> major>> >axis>> >> is 3.125 and>> >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys think that it>> would>> >work>> >> for lift struts.>> >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.>> >>>> >> John Greenlee wrote:>> >>>> >> > I ain't no engineer but......>> >> >>> >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type steel>> you'll>> >gain>> >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline tube>> will carry>> >a>> >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a Cub are P L E N>> T Y>> >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust and>> corrosion.>> >> >>> >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft steel was 1020.>> >> >>> >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small tubes. I've>> never>> >heard>> >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from negative gs) and>> causing>> >an>> >> > accident in a Piet.>> >> >>> >> > John>> >> >>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>> >> >> >To Mike Cushway and all,>> >>> >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about the>> streamline>> >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced internally,>> and what>> >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and what is the>> source?>> >>> >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about figuring out>> >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?>> >>> >Mark Boynton>> >Gilbert, Arizona>> >>> >>> >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the bicycle>> industry we>> >call>> >> it airfoil tubing)>> >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall auminum tubing. The>> major>> >axis>> >> is 3.125 and>> >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys think that it>> would>> >work>> >> for lift struts.>> >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.>> >>>> >> John Greenlee wrote:>> >>>> >> > I ain't no engineer but......>> >> >>> >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type steel>> you'll>> >gain>> >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline tube>> will carry>> >a>> >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a Cub are P L E N>> T Y>> >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust and>> corrosion.>> >> >>> >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft steel was 1020.>> >> >>> >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small tubes. I've>> never>> >heard>> >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from negative gs) and>> causing>> >an>> >> > accident in a Piet.>> >> >>> >> > John>> >> >>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
>> >> > Subject: Streamlined tube>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined struts>> from cubs.>> >Is>> >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way to tell? I'd>> like>> >to>> >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic said he used>> >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the standard wing>> strut>> >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was welded inside>> the>> >other>> >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's the>> group>> >opinion>> >> > >here?>> >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single or going dual>> >ignition?>> >> > >>> >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>> >> > >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >_______________________________________________________>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________________>________________________________________________________________________________
>> >> > Subject: Streamlined tube>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined struts>> from cubs.>> >Is>> >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way to tell? I'd>> like>> >to>> >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic said he used>> >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the standard wing>> strut>> >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was welded inside>> the>> >other>> >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's the>> group>> >opinion>> >> > >here?>> >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single or going dual>> >ignition?>> >> > >>> >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>> >> > >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >_______________________________________________________>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________________>________________________________________________________________________________
>>> > > Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:>>> > > >> > wayne
>>> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,>>> > > >>>> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about>the>>> > > streamline>>> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced>>> internally,>>> > > and what>>> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and>>> what is the>>> > > source?>>> > > >>>> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about>>> figuring out>>> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?>>> > > >>>> > > >Mark Boynton>>> > > >Gilbert, Arizona>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the>bicycle>>> > > industry we>>> > > >call>>> > > >> it airfoil tubing)>>> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall>>> auminum tubing. The>>> > > major>>> > > >axis>>> > > >> is 3.125 and>>> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys>>> think that it>>> > > would>>> > > >work>>> > > >> for lift struts.>>> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.>>> > > >>>>> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:>>> > > >>>>> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type>steel>>> > > you'll>>> > > >gain>>> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline>tube>>> > > will carry>>> > > >a>>> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a>>> Cub are P L E N>>> > > T Y>>> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust>and>>> > > corrosion.>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft>>> steel was 1020.>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small>>> tubes. I've>>> > > never>>> > > >heard>>> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from>>> negative gs) and>>> > > causing>>> > > >an>>> > > >> > accident in a Piet.>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> > John>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,>>> > > >>>> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about>the>>> > > streamline>>> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced>>> internally,>>> > > and what>>> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and>>> what is the>>> > > source?>>> > > >>>> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about>>> figuring out>>> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?>>> > > >>>> > > >Mark Boynton>>> > > >Gilbert, Arizona>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the>bicycle>>> > > industry we>>> > > >call>>> > > >> it airfoil tubing)>>> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall>>> auminum tubing. The>>> > > major>>> > > >axis>>> > > >> is 3.125 and>>> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys>>> think that it>>> > > would>>> > > >work>>> > > >> for lift struts.>>> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.>>> > > >>>>> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:>>> > > >>>>> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type>steel>>> > > you'll>>> > > >gain>>> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline>tube>>> > > will carry>>> > > >a>>> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a>>> Cub are P L E N>>> > > T Y>>> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust>and>>> > > corrosion.>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft>>> steel was 1020.>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small>>> tubes. I've>>> > > never>>> > > >heard>>> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from>>> negative gs) and>>> > > causing>>> > > >an>>> > > >> > accident in a Piet.>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> > John>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
>>> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined>struts>>> > > from cubs.>>> > > >Is>>> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way>>> to tell? I'd>>> > > like>>> > > >to>>> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic>>> said he used>>> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the>>> standard wing>>> > > strut>>> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was>>> welded inside>>> > > the>>> > > >other>>> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's>the>>> > > group>>> > > >opinion>>> > > >> > >here?>>> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single>>> or going dual>>> > > >ignition?>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >_______________________________________________________>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________________>>> >>>>>>>>>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your>eyes>>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always>be.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>>> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined>struts>>> > > from cubs.>>> > > >Is>>> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way>>> to tell? I'd>>> > > like>>> > > >to>>> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic>>> said he used>>> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the>>> standard wing>>> > > strut>>> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was>>> welded inside>>> > > the>>> > > >other>>> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's>the>>> > > group>>> > > >opinion>>> > > >> > >here?>>> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single>>> or going dual>>> > > >ignition?>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >_______________________________________________________>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________________>>> >>>>>>>>>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your>eyes>>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always>be.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>>> > >> Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:>>> > >> > > mboynton(at)excite.com
>>> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube>>> >>>> >>>> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?>>> > >>>> > >Steve Eldredge>>> > >IT Services>>> > >Brigham Young University>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> -----Original Message----->>> > >> Behalf Of Ken>>> > >> Beanlands>>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM>>> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion>>> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordere=d>>> > >> the stuff>>> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery a=s>>> > >> they were>>> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else ca=ll>this>>> > >> morning?>>> > >>>>> > >> Ken>>> > >>>>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:>>> > >>>>> > >> > Howard'>>> > >> >>>> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without>>> > >> shipping, is for four ->>> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might bea>good>>> > >> > alternative.>>> > >> >>>> > >> > Mark>>> > >> >:>>> > >> >>>> > >> > > Mark:>>> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'>>> > >> lengths which will>>> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material>>> > >> fits over your>>> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per>>> > >> foot. LEAF part>>> > >> > > # A2685>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > > H.W.>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube>>> >>>> >>>> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?>>> > >>>> > >Steve Eldredge>>> > >IT Services>>> > >Brigham Young University>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> -----Original Message----->>> > >> Behalf Of Ken>>> > >> Beanlands>>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM>>> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion>>> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as I ordere=d>>> > >> the stuff>>> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery a=s>>> > >> they were>>> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else ca=ll>this>>> > >> morning?
>>> > >>>>> > >> Ken>>> > >>>>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:>>> > >>>>> > >> > Howard'>>> > >> >>>> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without>>> > >> shipping, is for four ->>> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might bea>good>>> > >> > alternative.>>> > >> >>>> > >> > Mark>>> > >> >:>>> > >> >>>> > >> > > Mark:>>> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'>>> > >> lengths which will>>> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material>>> > >> fits over your>>> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per>>> > >> foot. LEAF part>>> > >> > > # A2685>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > > H.W.>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > > -----Original Message----->>> > >> > > Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:>>> > >> > > >> > wayne
>>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information>about>>> > the>>> > >> > > streamline>>> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced>>> > >> internally,>>> > >> > > and what>>> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and>>> > >> what is the>>> > >> > > source?>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go abou=t>>> > >> figuring out>>> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline>tubing?>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >Mark Boynton>>> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in th=e>>> > bicycle>>> > >> > > industry we>>> > >> > > >call>>> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)>>> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall>>> > >> auminum tubing. The>>> > >> > > major>>> > >> > > >axis>>> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and>>> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys>>> > >> think that it>>> > >> > > would>>> > >> > > >work>>> > >> > > >> for lift struts.>>> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut=.>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......>>> > >> > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130>type>>> > steel>>> > >> > > you'll>>> > >> > > >gain>>> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section>streamline>>> > tube>>> > >> > > will carry>>> > >> > > >a>>> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a>>> > >> Cub are P L E N>>> > >> > > T Y>>> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for>rust>>> > and>>> > >> > > corrosion.>>> > >> > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft>>> > >> steel was 1020.>>> > >> > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small>>> > >> tubes. I've>>> > >> > > never>>> > >> > > >heard>>> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from>>> > >> negative gs) and>>> > >> > > causing>>> > >> > > >an>>> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.>>> > >> > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > John>>> > >> > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information>about>>> > the>>> > >> > > streamline>>> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced>>> > >> internally,>>> > >> > > and what>>> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and>>> > >> what is the>>> > >> > > source?>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go abou=t>>> > >> figuring out>>> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline>tubing?>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >Mark Boynton>>> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in th=e>>> > bicycle>>> > >> > > industry we>>> > >> > > >call>>> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)>>> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall>>> > >> auminum tubing. The>>> > >> > > major>>> > >> > > >axis>>> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and>>> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys>>> > >> think that it>>> > >> > > would>>> > >> > > >work>>> > >> > > >> for lift struts.>>> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut=.>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......>>> > >> > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130>type>>> > steel>>> > >> > > you'll>>> > >> > > >gain>>> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section>streamline>>> > tube>>> > >> > > will carry>>> > >> > > >a>>> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a>>> > >> Cub are P L E N>>> > >> > > T Y>>> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for>rust>>> > and>>> > >> > > corrosion.>>> > >> > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft>>> > >> steel was 1020.>>> > >> > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small>>> > >> tubes. I've>>> > >> > > never>>> > >> > > >heard>>> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from>>> > >> negative gs) and>>> > >> > > causing>>> > >> > > >an>>> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.>>> > >> > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > John>>> > >> > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> > > >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: Doug
>>> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube>>> > >> > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > >>>> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of>streamlined>>> > struts>>> > >> > > from cubs.>>> > >> > > >Is>>> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way>>> > >> to tell? I'd>>> > >> > > like>>> > >> > > >to>>> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domeni=c>>> > >> said he used>>> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the>>> > >> standard wing>>> > >> > > strut>>> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was>>> > >> welded inside>>> > >> > > the>>> > >> > > >other>>> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient.>What's>>> > the>>> > >> > > group>>> > >> > > >opinion>>> > >> > > >> > >here?>>> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single>>> > >> or going dual>>> > >> > > >ignition?>>> > >> > > >> > >>>> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>>> > >> > > >> > >>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> > _______________________________________________________>>> > >> >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >*>(Aerospace)>>> > >>>C-GREN>>> > >> (_) (_)>>>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with>your>>> > eyes>>> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will>always>>> > be.>>> > >>>>> >*>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>*>>>EN>>>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your>eyes>>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always>be.>>>*>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>>> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube>>> > >> > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > >>>> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of>streamlined>>> > struts>>> > >> > > from cubs.>>> > >> > > >Is>>> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way>>> > >> to tell? I'd>>> > >> > > like>>> > >> > > >to>>> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domeni=c>>> > >> said he used>>> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the>>> > >> standard wing>>> > >> > > strut>>> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was>>> > >> welded inside>>> > >> > > the>>> > >> > > >other>>> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient.>What's>>> > the>>> > >> > > group>>> > >> > > >opinion>>> > >> > > >> > >here?>>> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single>>> > >> or going dual>>> > >> > > >ignition?>>> > >> > > >> > >>>> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>>> > >> > > >> > >>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > > >_______________________________________________________>>> > >> > > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> > _______________________________________________________>>> > >> >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >*>(Aerospace)>>> > >>>C-GREN>>> > >> (_) (_)>>>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with>your>>> > eyes>>> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will>always>>> > be.>>> > >>>>> >*>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>*>>>EN>>>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your>eyes>>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always>be.>>>*>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>>>> > >> Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:>>>> > >> > > mboynton(at)excite.com
>>>> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?>>>> > >>>>> > >Steve Eldredge>>>> > >IT Services>>>> > >Brigham Young University>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> -----Original Message----->>>> > >> Behalf Of Ken>>>> > >> Beanlands>>>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM>>>> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion>>>> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as Iordered>>>> > >> the stuff>>>> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for deliveryas>>>> > >> they were>>>> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone elsecall>>this>>>> > >> morning?>>>> > >>>>>> > >> Ken>>>> > >>>>>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Howard'>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without>>>> > >> shipping, is for four ->>>> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might bea>>good>>>> > >> > alternative.>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > Mark>>>> > >> >wrote:>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > > Mark:>>>> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'>>>> > >> lengths which will>>>> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material>>>> > >> fits over your>>>> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per>>>> > >> foot. LEAF part>>>> > >> > > # A2685>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > > H.W.>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > Subject: RE: Streamlined tube>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?>>>> > >>>>> > >Steve Eldredge>>>> > >IT Services>>>> > >Brigham Young University>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> -----Original Message----->>>> > >> Behalf Of Ken>>>> > >> Beanlands>>>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM>>>> > >> To: Pietenpol Discussion>>>> > >> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> They must think that there is something going on as Iordered>>>> > >> the stuff>>>> > >> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for deliveryas>>>> > >> they were>>>> > >> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone elsecall>>this>>>> > >> morning?
>>>> > >>>>>> > >> Ken>>>> > >>>>>> > >> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Howard'>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without>>>> > >> shipping, is for four ->>>> > >> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might bea>>good>>>> > >> > alternative.>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > Mark>>>> > >> >wrote:>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > > Mark:>>>> > >> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'>>>> > >> lengths which will>>>> > >> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material>>>> > >> fits over your>>>> > >> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per>>>> > >> foot. LEAF part>>>> > >> > > # A2685>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > > H.W.>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > > -----Original Message----->>>> > >> > > Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:>>>> > >> > > >> > wayne
>>>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information>>about>>>> > the>>>> > >> > > streamline>>>> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforce=d>>>> > >> internally,>>>> > >> > > and what>>>> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and>>>> > >> what is the>>>> > >> > > source?>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you goabout>>>> > >> figuring out>>>> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline>>tubing?>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >Mark Boynton>>>> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona>>>> > >> > > >:>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (inthe>>>> > bicycle>>>> > >> > > industry we>>>> > >> > > >call>>>> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)>>>> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall>>>> > >> auminum tubing. The>>>> > >> > > major>>>> > >> > > >axis>>>> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and>>>> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guy=s>>>> > >> think that it>>>> > >> > > would>>>> > >> > > >work>>>> > >> > > >> for lift struts.>>>> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds perstrut.>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130>>type>>>> > steel>>>> > >> > > you'll>>>> > >> > > >gain>>>> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section>>streamline>>>> > tube>>>> > >> > > will carry>>>> > >> > > >a>>>> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a>>>> > >> Cub are P L E N>>>> > >> > > T Y>>>> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully fo=r>>rust>>>> > and>>>> > >> > > corrosion.>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft>>>> > >> steel was 1020.>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty smal=l>>>> > >> tubes. I've>>>> > >> > > never>>>> > >> > > >heard>>>> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from>>>> > >> negative gs) and>>>> > >> > > causing>>>> > >> > > >an>>>> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>> > >> > > >> > John>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information>>about>>>> > the>>>> > >> > > streamline>>>> > >> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforce=d>>>> > >> internally,>>>> > >> > > and what>>>> > >> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and>>>> > >> what is the>>>> > >> > > source?>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you goabout>>>> > >> figuring out>>>> > >> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline>>tubing?>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >Mark Boynton>>>> > >> > > >Gilbert, Arizona>>>> > >> > > >:>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (inthe>>>> > bicycle>>>> > >> > > industry we>>>> > >> > > >call>>>> > >> > > >> it airfoil tubing)>>>> > >> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall>>>> > >> auminum tubing. The>>>> > >> > > major>>>> > >> > > >axis>>>> > >> > > >> is 3.125 and>>>> > >> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guy=s>>>> > >> think that it>>>> > >> > > would>>>> > >> > > >work>>>> > >> > > >> for lift struts.>>>> > >> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds perstrut.>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > >> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>> > >> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130>>type>>>> > steel>>>> > >> > > you'll>>>> > >> > > >gain>>>> > >> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section>>streamline>>>> > tube>>>> > >> > > will carry>>>> > >> > > >a>>>> > >> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a>>>> > >> Cub are P L E N>>>> > >> > > T Y>>>> > >> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully fo=r>>rust>>>> > and>>>> > >> > > corrosion.>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>> > >> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft>>>> > >> steel was 1020.>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>> > >> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty smal=l>>>> > >> tubes. I've>>>> > >> > > never>>>> > >> > > >heard>>>> > >> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from>>>> > >> negative gs) and>>>> > >> > > causing>>>> > >> > > >an>>>> > >> > > >> > accident in a Piet.>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>> > >> > > >> > John>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>> > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > >> > > >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: dannymac
>>>> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of>>streamlined>>>> > struts>>>> > >> > > from cubs.>>>> > >> > > >Is>>>> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy wa=y>>>> > >> to tell? I'd>>>> > >> > > like>>>> > >> > > >to>>>> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I thinkDomenic>>>> > >> said he used>>>> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the>>>> > >> standard wing>>>> > >> > > strut>>>> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one wa=s>>>> > >> welded inside>>>> > >> > > the>>>> > >> > > >other>>>> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient.>>What's>>>> > the>>>> > >> > > group>>>> > >> > > >opinion>>>> > >> > > >> > >here?>>>> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with singl=e>>>> > >> or going dual>>>> > >> > > >ignition?>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >______________________________________________________=_/>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > _______________________________________________________>>>> > >> >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >**>>(Aerospace)>>>> > >>1>>C-GREN>>>> > >> (_) (_)>>>>>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with>>your>>>> > eyes>>>> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will>>always>>>> > be.>>>> > >>>>>> >**>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>**>>>>C-GREN>>>> (_) (_)>>>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your>>eyes>>>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will alway=s>>be.>>>>**>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>>>> > >> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>> > >> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of>>streamlined>>>> > struts>>>> > >> > > from cubs.>>>> > >> > > >Is>>>> > >> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy wa=y>>>> > >> to tell? I'd>>>> > >> > > like>>>> > >> > > >to>>>> > >> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I thinkDomenic>>>> > >> said he used>>>> > >> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the>>>> > >> standard wing>>>> > >> > > strut>>>> > >> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one wa=s>>>> > >> welded inside>>>> > >> > > the>>>> > >> > > >other>>>> > >> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient.>>What's>>>> > the>>>> > >> > > group>>>> > >> > > >opinion>>>> > >> > > >> > >here?>>>> > >> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with singl=e>>>> > >> or going dual>>>> > >> > > >ignition?>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>> > >> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >______________________________________________________=_/>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > _______________________________________________________>>>> > >> >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >**>>(Aerospace)>>>> > >>1>>C-GREN>>>> > >> (_) (_)>>>>>> > >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with>>your>>>> > eyes>>>> > >> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will>>always>>>> > be.>>>> > >>>>>> >**>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>**>>>>C-GREN>>>> (_) (_)>>>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your>>eyes>>>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will alway=s>>be.>>>>**>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
> >>> Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> >>> > > mboynton(at)excite.com
> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>> >Yes> > Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back side> >of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairly> >well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".> >H.W.> >> >-----Original Message-----> >From: steve(at)byu.edu > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM> >Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> >> >> >>This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> >>> >>Steve Eldredge> >>IT Services> >>Brigham Young University> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----> >>> Behalf Of Ken> >>> Beanlands> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion> >>> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >>>> >>>> >>> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> >>> the stuff> >>> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> >>> they were> >>> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this> >>> morning?> >>>> >>> Ken> >>>> >>> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> >>>> >>> > Howard'> >>> >> >>> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> >>> shipping, is for four -> >>> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good> >>> > alternative.> >>> >> >>> > Mark> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > > Mark:> >>> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> >>> lengths which will> >>> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> >>> fits over your> >>> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> >>> foot. LEAF part> >>> > > # A2685> >>> > >> >>> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> >>> > >> >>> > > H.W.> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube>> >Yes> > Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back side> >of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairly> >well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".> >H.W.> >> >-----Original Message-----> >From: steve(at)byu.edu > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM> >Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> >> >> >>This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> >>> >>Steve Eldredge> >>IT Services> >>Brigham Young University> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----> >>> Behalf Of Ken> >>> Beanlands> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion> >>> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >>>> >>>> >>> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> >>> the stuff> >>> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> >>> they were> >>> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this> >>> morning?
> >>>> >>> Ken> >>>> >>> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> >>>> >>> > Howard'> >>> >> >>> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> >>> shipping, is for four -> >>> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good> >>> > alternative.> >>> >> >>> > Mark> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > > Mark:> >>> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> >>> lengths which will> >>> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> >>> fits over your> >>> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> >>> foot. LEAF part> >>> > > # A2685> >>> > >> >>> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> >>> > >> >>> > > H.W.> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > -----Original Message-----> >>> > > Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> >>> > > >> > wayne
> >>> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> >>> > > >> >>> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about> >the> >>> > > streamline> >>> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> >>> internally,> >>> > > and what> >>> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> >>> what is the> >>> > > source?> >>> > > >> >>> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> >>> figuring out> >>> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?> >>> > > >> >>> > > >Mark Boynton> >>> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> >bicycle> >>> > > industry we> >>> > > >call> >>> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> >>> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> >>> auminum tubing. The> >>> > > major> >>> > > >axis> >>> > > >> is 3.125 and> >>> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> >>> think that it> >>> > > would> >>> > > >work> >>> > > >> for lift struts.> >>> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type> >steel> >>> > > you'll> >>> > > >gain> >>> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline> >tube> >>> > > will carry> >>> > > >a> >>> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> >>> Cub are P L E N> >>> > > T Y> >>> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust> >and> >>> > > corrosion.> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> >>> steel was 1020.> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> >>> tubes. I've> >>> > > never> >>> > > >heard> >>> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> >>> negative gs) and> >>> > > causing> >>> > > >an> >>> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> > John> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> >>> > > >> >>> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about> >the> >>> > > streamline> >>> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> >>> internally,> >>> > > and what> >>> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> >>> what is the> >>> > > source?> >>> > > >> >>> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> >>> figuring out> >>> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?> >>> > > >> >>> > > >Mark Boynton> >>> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> >bicycle> >>> > > industry we> >>> > > >call> >>> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> >>> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> >>> auminum tubing. The> >>> > > major> >>> > > >axis> >>> > > >> is 3.125 and> >>> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> >>> think that it> >>> > > would> >>> > > >work> >>> > > >> for lift struts.> >>> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type> >steel> >>> > > you'll> >>> > > >gain> >>> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline> >tube> >>> > > will carry> >>> > > >a> >>> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> >>> Cub are P L E N> >>> > > T Y> >>> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust> >and> >>> > > corrosion.> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> >>> steel was 1020.> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> >>> tubes. I've> >>> > > never> >>> > > >heard> >>> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> >>> negative gs) and> >>> > > causing> >>> > > >an> >>> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> > John> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > > >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: robert hensarling
> >>> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined> >struts> >>> > > from cubs.> >>> > > >Is> >>> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> >>> to tell? I'd> >>> > > like> >>> > > >to> >>> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> >>> said he used> >>> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> >>> standard wing> >>> > > strut> >>> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> >>> welded inside> >>> > > the> >>> > > >other> >>> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's> >the> >>> > > group> >>> > > >opinion> >>> > > >> > >here?> >>> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> >>> or going dual> >>> > > >ignition?> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >_______________________________________________________> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________________> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your> >eyes> >>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always> >be.> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
> >>> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined> >struts> >>> > > from cubs.> >>> > > >Is> >>> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> >>> to tell? I'd> >>> > > like> >>> > > >to> >>> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> >>> said he used> >>> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> >>> standard wing> >>> > > strut> >>> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> >>> welded inside> >>> > > the> >>> > > >other> >>> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's> >the> >>> > > group> >>> > > >opinion> >>> > > >> > >here?> >>> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> >>> or going dual> >>> > > >ignition?> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >_______________________________________________________> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________________> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your> >eyes> >>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always> >be.> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
I knew it yesterday. The owner, Mr Edilson Secco sent-me an e-mail withsome photos. It's a beautiful airplane !!Luis Lolatalolata(at)sercomtel.com.brwww.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/1227________________________________________________________________________________
I knew it yesterday. The owner, Mr Edilson Secco sent-me an e-mail withsome photos. It's a beautiful airplane !!Luis Lolatalolata(at)sercomtel.com.brwww.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/1227________________________________________________________________________________
> > >>> Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> > >>> > > mboynton(at)excite.com
> > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >> > >Yes> > > Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back side> > >of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairly> > >well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".> > >H.W.> > >> > >-----Original Message-----> > >From: steve(at)byu.edu > > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > > >Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM> > >Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> > >> > >> > >>This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> > >>> > >>Steve Eldredge> > >>IT Services> > >>Brigham Young University> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message-----> > >>> Behalf Of Ken> > >>> Beanlands> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> > >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion> > >>> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> > >>> the stuff> > >>> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> > >>> they were> > >>> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this> > >>> morning?> > >>>> > >>> Ken> > >>>> > >>> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> > >>>> > >>> > Howard'> > >>> >> > >>> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> > >>> shipping, is for four -> > >>> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good> > >>> > alternative.> > >>> >> > >>> > Mark> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > Mark:> > >>> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> > >>> lengths which will> > >>> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> > >>> fits over your> > >>> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> > >>> foot. LEAF part> > >>> > > # A2685> > >>> > >> > >>> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> > >>> > >> > >>> > > H.W.> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> >> > >Yes> > > Seems plenty expensive..... The old balsa glued to the back side> > >of the strut and wrapped with "pinked tape" and doped works fairly> > >well and isn't to expensive, It damn sure would look "period".> > >H.W.> > >> > >-----Original Message-----> > >From: steve(at)byu.edu > > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > > >Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:19 AM> > >Subject: RE: Streamlined tube> > >> > >> > >>This is just the plastic shell right? Not structural?> > >>> > >>Steve Eldredge> > >>IT Services> > >>Brigham Young University> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message-----> > >>> Behalf Of Ken> > >>> Beanlands> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:10 AM> > >>> To: Pietenpol Discussion> > >>> Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> They must think that there is something going on as I ordered> > >>> the stuff> > >>> for Chrissy this morning. They quoted 3 weeks for delivery as> > >>> they were> > >>> backordered for the stuff. That's fine by me. Anyone else call this> > >>> morning?
> > >>>> > >>> Ken> > >>>> > >>> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 mboynton(at)excite.com wrote:> > >>>> > >>> > Howard'> > >>> >> > >>> > Thanks for the info. I called LEAF. Cost, without> > >>> shipping, is for four -> > >>> > ten foot lengths (sold as a unit), for $189.95. Might be a good> > >>> > alternative.> > >>> >> > >>> > Mark> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > Mark:> > >>> > > LEAF has streamlining material available in 10'> > >>> lengths which will> > >>> > > fair a strut measuring between 1" & 2". This material> > >>> fits over your> > >>> > > existing strut and is plastic..... weight is 5 oz per> > >>> foot. LEAF part> > >>> > > # A2685> > >>> > >> > >>> > > LEAF phone is 800-LEAF-INC> > >>> > >> > >>> > > H.W.> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > -----Original Message-----> > >>> > > Re: Streamlined tube
Original Posted By:> > >>> > > >> > wayne
> > >>> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about> > >the> > >>> > > streamline> > >>> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> > >>> internally,> > >>> > > and what> > >>> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> > >>> what is the> > >>> > > source?> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> > >>> figuring out> > >>> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >Mark Boynton> > >>> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> > >bicycle> > >>> > > industry we> > >>> > > >call> > >>> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> > >>> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> > >>> auminum tubing. The> > >>> > > major> > >>> > > >axis> > >>> > > >> is 3.125 and> > >>> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> > >>> think that it> > >>> > > would> > >>> > > >work> > >>> > > >> for lift struts.> > >>> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> > >>> > > >> >> > >>> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type> > >steel> > >>> > > you'll> > >>> > > >gain> > >>> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline> > >tube> > >>> > > will carry> > >>> > > >a> > >>> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> > >>> Cub are P L E N> > >>> > > T Y> > >>> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust> > >and> > >>> > > corrosion.> > >>> > > >> >> > >>> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> > >>> steel was 1020.> > >>> > > >> >> > >>> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> > >>> tubes. I've> > >>> > > never> > >>> > > >heard> > >>> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> > >>> negative gs) and> > >>> > > causing> > >>> > > >an> > >>> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> > >>> > > >> >> > >>> > > >> > John> > >>> > > >> >> > >>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >>> > > Subject: Re: Streamlined tube> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > >To Mike Cushway and all,> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >Mike, could you give us all a little more information about> > >the> > >>> > > streamline> > >>> > > >tubing you mentioned. As Steve asked, is it reinforced> > >>> internally,> > >>> > > and what> > >>> > > >about cost? Also, is it difficult to get ahold of and> > >>> what is the> > >>> > > source?> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >To anyone who would care to comment, how do you go about> > >>> figuring out> > >>> > > >acceptable dimensions and materials for streamline tubing?> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >Mark Boynton> > >>> > > >Gilbert, Arizona> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> While were on the subject of steamlined tubing (in the> > >bicycle> > >>> > > industry we> > >>> > > >call> > >>> > > >> it airfoil tubing)> > >>> > > >> I have access to elliptical 6061-T6 x .065 wall> > >>> auminum tubing. The> > >>> > > major> > >>> > > >axis> > >>> > > >> is 3.125 and> > >>> > > >> the minor is 1.1875. I would like to know if you guys> > >>> think that it> > >>> > > would> > >>> > > >work> > >>> > > >> for lift struts.> > >>> > > >> Weight would work out to approx. 4.6 pounds per strut.> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >> John Greenlee wrote:> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >> > I ain't no engineer but......> > >>> > > >> >> > >>> > > >> > If you run the numbers out for either 1020 or 4130 type> > >steel> > >>> > > you'll> > >>> > > >gain> > >>> > > >> > some confidence that a quite small in section streamline> > >tube> > >>> > > will carry> > >>> > > >a> > >>> > > >> > Piet. I bet you'll figure the small tubes from a> > >>> Cub are P L E N> > >>> > > T Y> > >>> > > >> > strong. The main thing is to inspect carefully for rust> > >and> > >>> > > corrosion.> > >>> > > >> >> > >>> > > >> > Remember that when the Piets originated aircraft> > >>> steel was 1020.> > >>> > > >> >> > >>> > > >> > Some of the ones I've seen flying have pretty small> > >>> tubes. I've> > >>> > > never> > >>> > > >heard> > >>> > > >> > of a streamline tube failing (other than from> > >>> negative gs) and> > >>> > > causing> > >>> > > >an> > >>> > > >> > accident in a Piet.> > >>> > > >> >> > >>> > > >> > John> > >>> > > >> >> > >>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >>> > > >> > Streamlined tube
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
> > >>> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> > >>> > > >> >> > >>> > > >> > >> > >>> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined> > >struts> > >>> > > from cubs.> > >>> > > >Is> > >>> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> > >>> to tell? I'd> > >>> > > like> > >>> > > >to> > >>> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> > >>> said he used> > >>> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> > >>> standard wing> > >>> > > strut> > >>> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> > >>> welded inside> > >>> > > the> > >>> > > >other> > >>> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's> > >the> > >>> > > group> > >>> > > >opinion> > >>> > > >> > >here?> > >>> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> > >>> or going dual> > >>> > > >ignition?> > >>> > > >> > >> > >>> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> > >>> > > >> > >> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >_______________________________________________________> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > _______________________________________________________> > >>> >> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your> > >eyes> > >>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always> > >be.> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> ________________________________________________________________________________
> > >>> > > >> > Subject: Streamlined tube> > >>> > > >> >> > >>> > > >> > >> > >>> > > >> > > Two questions. I've got a good stock of streamlined> > >struts> > >>> > > from cubs.> > >>> > > >Is> > >>> > > >> > >this likely to be 4130 or 1018/1020? Any easy way> > >>> to tell? I'd> > >>> > > like> > >>> > > >to> > >>> > > >> > >use some for the gear struts also. I think Domenic> > >>> said he used> > >>> > > >> > >streamlined - what size did you use? I Think the> > >>> standard wing> > >>> > > strut> > >>> > > >> > >material would be too light but perhaps if one was> > >>> welded inside> > >>> > > the> > >>> > > >other> > >>> > > >> > >to double the thickness it would be sufficient. What's> > >the> > >>> > > group> > >>> > > >opinion> > >>> > > >> > >here?> > >>> > > >> > > For the corvair users are you staying with single> > >>> or going dual> > >>> > > >ignition?> > >>> > > >> > >> > >>> > > >> > >Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg> > >>> > > >> > >> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >_______________________________________________________> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > _______________________________________________________> > >>> >> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your> > >eyes> > >>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always> > >be.> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> ________________________________________________________________________________