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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ribs>Anyone have any thoughts on rib storage- can I lay them flat and just>stack them- or is there a " correct" way to do this- Also should I be>putting a coat of varnish or something on these right away if they are>going to be sitting while I build the rest of my plane...>Paris>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Anyone have any thoughts on rib storage- can I lay them flat and juststack them- or is there a " correct" way to do this- Also should I beputting a coat of varnish or something on these right away if they aregoing to be sitting while I build the rest of my plane...Paris________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Paris Wilcox
Build up your rib jig around the full size drawing & don't worry about themeasurements. I know there are some dimensional errors in the tables. Idon't remember what they are. Brian3647(at)aol.com will know.John-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Ribs Re. the recent discussion about ribs, I would strongly suggest thatyou brace the butt ribs. If you don't, the ribs will bend when thefabric is tightened, I placed two diagonal braces from the cap stripstop & bottom to the spars at the second bays. Mike B ( Piet N687MB ) PS: there is plently of cockpit room in the long fuselage.________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: RibsRe. the recent discussion about ribs, I would strongly suggestthat you brace the butt ribs. If you don't, the ribs will bend when thefabric is tightened, I placed two diagonal braces from the cap strips top bottom to the spars at the second bays.Mike B ( Piet N687MB )PS: there is plently of cockpit room in the longfuselage.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Ron Gipson
Re. the recent discussion about ribs, I would strongly suggest that youbrace the butt ribs. If you don't, the ribs will bend when the fabric istightened, I placed two diagonal braces from the cap strips top & bottomto the spars at the second bays.Mike B ( Piet N687MB )PS: there is plently of cockpit room in the long fuselage.Re. the recent discussion about ribs, I wouldstronglysuggest that you brace the butt ribs. If you don't, the ribs will bendwhen thefabric is tightened, I placed two diagonal braces from the cap stripstop bottom to the spars at the second bays.Mike B ( Piet N687MB )PS: there is plently of cockpit room in thelongfuselage.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
YES, BRACE THE BUT OR ROOT RIB. COULD SOME ONE GIVE ADVISEON THIS I'VE PUT A SOLID PIECE OF 1/8 OKUME PLY ON THE FUSL SIDE OF THE ROOT RIB (VERY STRONG A LITTLE HEAVY) NOW ON THE WINGSIDE OF THE ROOT RIB I PLAN TO ATTACH COMPRESSION STRUTS WHICHWILL BE GLUED TO EXTRA LARGE GUSSET'S. NOW SHOULD A FEW CROSSBRACES SUFFICE OR SHOULD I RUN 1/16 BIRCH TO THE NEXT RIB IN THEATTEMPT TO HAVE A RIGID STRUCTURE TO KEEP THE FABRIC FROMBUCKING THE ROOT RIB?-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By:>> Michael Brusilow
>> WILL BE GLUED TO EXTRA LARGE GUSSET'S. NOW SHOULD A FEW CROSS > BRACES SUFFICE OR SHOULD I RUN 1/16 BIRCH TO THE NEXT RIB IN THE > ATTEMPT TO HAVE A RIGID STRUCTURE TO KEEP THE FABRIC FROM > BUCKING THE ROOT RIB? > > > Kyle- You betcha. Do this at the wing tip too for the first rib or two.It doesn't have to be anything fancy, just a few spruce diagonals to keep thoseend ribs from 'bowing' in when you heat taughten the fabric. Makes em' stayaligned straight. For you guys wondering about the 'inter-rib lacing' tokeepALL of the ribs upright, there is an optional way to do this: Run 1/4" x 3/8"spruce/fir, etc. strips the whole length of the wing panels glued to each ribdown the center. One strip at the bottom of each rib and one strip at thetop. This took only about 15 min. per wing to do with clothes pins as clampsand T-88 glue. Mike C. >> > > > > > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Good advice so far on the root rib anti-buckling problem.=A0 Here isa littlemore.=A0 I put the diagnals and the 2" 1/16" ply fabric strip on thecap stripfor a fabric anchor and it worked fine, except that over time the rib= attachpoint to the spars has let go a little and I would suggest increasing= thesurface area at this poing by gluing a piece of wood to the top and b=ottomof each spar as a rib stop so that the rib cannot work loose and slid=eoutward on the spar from the root. -another problem solved if you can= buildthe 1 piece wing.=A0Steve E.-----Original Message-----f MichaelD CuySent: Friday, January 22, 1999 7:04 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: RibsWILL BE GLUED TO EXTRA LARGE GUSSET'S.=A0 NOW SHOULD A FEW CROSSBRACES SUFFICE OR SHOULD I RUN 1/16 BIRCH TO THE NEXT RIB IN THEATTEMPT TO HAVE A RIGID STRUCTURE TO KEEP THE FABRIC FROMBUCKING THE ROOT RIB?Kyle-=A0 You betcha.=A0=A0 Do this at the wing tip too for the firstrib or two.It doesn't have to be anything fancy, just a few spruce diagonals tokeepthoseend ribs from 'bowing' in when you heat taughten the fabric.=A0 Makes= em' stayaligned straight.=A0=A0=A0 For you guys wondering about the 'inter-ri=b lacing' tokeepALL of the ribs upright, there is an optional way to do this:=A0 Run1/4" x3/8"spruce/fir, etc. strips the whole length of the wing panels glued toeachribdown the center.=A0 One strip at the bottom of each rib and one strip= at thetop.=A0 This took only about 15 min. per wing to do with clothes pins= asclampsand T-88 glue.=A0Mike C.=A0-----Original Message-----=46rom: Michael Brusilow Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 7:15 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: RibsRe. the recent discussion about ribs, I would strongly suggest that y=oubrace the butt ribs. If you don't, the ribs will bend when the fabric= istightened, I placed two diagonal braces from the cap strips top & bot=tom tothe spars at the second bays.Mike B ( Piet N687MB )PS: there is plently of cockpit room in the long fuselage.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
Would someone please sign me up again for this discussion group. I seem tohave been disconnected. I learn a lot. Thanks. Arden Adamson adamson(at)execpc.com -----Original Message-----steve(at)byu.edu Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 9:25 AM To: Pietenpol Discussion Subject: RE: Ribs Good advice so far on the root rib anti-buckling problem. Here is alittle more. I put the diagnals and the 2" 1/16" ply fabric strip on thecap strip for a fabric anchor and it worked fine, except that over time therib attach point to the spars has let go a little and I would suggestincreasing the surface area at this poing by gluing a piece of wood to thetop and bottom of each spar as a rib stop so that the rib cannot work looseand slide outward on the spar from the root. -another problem solved if youcan build the 1 piece wing. Steve E.Michael D Cuy Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 7:04 AM To: Pietenpol Discussion Subject: Re: Ribsrib or two. It doesn't have to be anything fancy, just a few spruce diagonals tokeep those end ribs from 'bowing' in when you heat taughten the fabric. Makesem' stay aligned straight. For you guys wondering about the 'inter-riblacing' to keep ALL of the ribs upright, there is an optional way to do this: Run1/4" x 3/8" spruce/fir, etc. strips the whole length of the wing panels glued toeach rib down the center. One strip at the bottom of each rib and one stripat the top. This took only about 15 min. per wing to do with clothes pinsas clamps and T-88 glue. Mike C.suggest that you brace the butt ribs. If you don't, the ribs will bend whenthe fabric is tightened, I placed two diagonal braces from the cap stripstop & bottom to the spars at the second bays.________________________________________________________________________________
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yes there is a difference since I have both the Gregaand Piet plans I can tell you there is a slight differencein the airfoil and lots of difference in the rib, John Gregamentions the Pietenpol airfoil used in the Grega withslight changes in the leading edge for softer stall. Alsothe spar spacing is different and the Grega has morecross bracing(twice) the center section is totally different.Russell ----- Original Message ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Ribs Speaking of ribs, is everyone aware that Charlie Rubeck sells anexcellent set of ribs? Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam ) Mike: You're right!. I've seen them at Sun N Fun several times. Charliesa real nice guy and does good work. Believe me If I had done a Pietinstead of the GN-1 (theres a difference) AND had it to do over again, Iwould use his ribs. I had many many hours in my ribs and could havesaved a lot of effort for just a few $$$ s. Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Graham Hansen
Subject: Ribs Speaking of ribs, is everyone aware that Charlie Rubeck sells anexcellent set of ribs? Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
Speaking of ribs. I am going to start early tomorrow morning and make ribs.Talk about spring back. Everybody is going to spring back for more. Have ahappy holiday. I will. jas________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Bert & Nancy Conoly
Speaking of ribs, is everyone aware that Charlie Rubeck sells anexcellent set of ribs?Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )Speaking of ribs, is everyone aware thatCharlie Rubecksells an excellent set of ribs?Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam)________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
I used these on my Scout and Iron Mike Cuy used these on his PietEarl Myers -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: claude
All this talk about ribs has made me HUNGRY!!! Think I'll mosey on down to the river in the morning for some genuine Memphis BBQ.Have a fine, safe, CAVU holiday everybodyEd________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: S51dmus(at)aol.com
Say Bert: Is there a difference in the rib and wing; piet vs gn-1?________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Steve wrote: are these Piet ribs or maby GN-1/Steve writes:> Speaking of ribs, is everyone aware that Charlie Rubeck sells an > excellent set of ribs?> > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )> > ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Ribs >> Speaking of ribs, is everyone aware that Charlie Rubeck sells an >> excellent set of ribs? >> >Steve wrote: are these Piet ribs or maby GN-1/ Piet ribs. Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Ribs >> Speaking of ribs, is everyone aware that Charlie Rubeck sells an >> excellent set of ribs? >> >Steve wrote: are these Piet ribs or maby GN-1/ Piet ribs. Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
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>> Speaking of ribs, is everyone aware that Charlie Rubeck sells an>> excellent set of ribs?>> >Steve wrote: are these Piet ribs or maby GN-1/Piet ribs.Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam ) Speaking of ribs, is everyone aware that Charlie Rubecksells an excellent set of ribs? Steve wrote: arethese Pietribs or maby GN-1/Piet ribs.Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam)________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By:> Michael Brusilow
how does one contact charlie?---Bert & Nancy Conoly wrote:>>> -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By:> > Michael Brusilow
Charles RubeckRR 7Box 520Spencer, In 47460812-829-2069hope the above helps, I seen these ribs at Brodhead and they look great---I planongetting a set myself.regardsJoeCZion, Illinoisdel magsam wrote:> how does one contact charlie?>> ---Bert & Nancy Conoly wrote:> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
I was hoping that they would be smoked beef "ribs" with a tangy pepperbarbecue sauce....;->GY -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Russell Lassetter"
I have a set of ribs for the 3 piece wing for sale. They are boxed andready to ship. If anyone is interested please PM me atrgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "DJ Vegh"
Please advise price and if possible, picturesthanksRichardRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I paid $350 and haven't even unpacked them before I bought a project. I'lltry to get some pictures this weekend for you.Bob-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: santiago morete
Thanks for the reply. Just want to make sure of the quality, and the presence ofT-88. Will await your reply and have a good evening.RichardRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:32:36 -0300 (ART)
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Original Posted By: "Russell Lassetter"
Bob:if you have a moment, and it is convenient, give me a call after 3 Sunday after2. 623-972-3012Regards, RichardRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Robert:anything on the pics yet?give me a call when you get a chance, we will work something out.Just want to make sure T88 and Spruce are a part of the package, and workmanshipas well.Have a safe Holiday!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: RibsIn a message dated 11/20/2007 6:34:15 PM Central Standard Time, watash101(at)cox.net writes:Robert:anything on the pics yet?give me a call when you get a chance, we will work something out.Just want to make sure T88 and Spruce are a part of the package, and workmanship as well.Have a safe Holiday!I think you sent this to me in error. I hope you get the ribs you want.Chuck G.NX770CG**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products.(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-produc ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Don... thanks for the reassurance. Sometimes I get caught up in all the controversy.I looked back and found that I've already been given answers to some ofthese questions, that's why I chose to make the few minor adjustments that Idid (leaning the seat back a bit, raising the wing 2", planning to move the rudderbar forward a little and cut those shin holes out a bit). Nothing drastic,but sometimes I forget how I arrived at those decisions... all of it was recommendedby those of you that have DONE IT! I need to quit getting worriedabout the things I've already been offered a solution to. And you are right...that Ford radiator is much taller than I am. Kevin... thanks for the offer buddy. With friends like you, well... no, you can'thave it.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ribs
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Ha! Yeah...just copy and paste!Ribs all sanded...now to cut to length. I liked Jack's cutoff jig.Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
>> Subject: Ribs>>>> Re. the recent discussion about ribs, I would strongly suggest that you>> brace the butt ribs. If you don't, the ribs will bend when the fabric is>> tightened, I placed two diagonal braces from the cap strips top & bottom to>> the spars at the second bays.>> >> Mike B ( Piet N687MB )>> >> PS: there is plently of cockpit room in the long fuselage.>WILL BE GLUED TO EXTRA LARGEGUSSET'S. NOW SHOULD A FEW CROSS BRACES SUFFICE OR SHOULD I RUN 1/16 BIRCH TO THE NEXT RIB INTHE ATTEMPT TO HAVE A RIGID STRUCTURE TO KEEP THE FABRICFROM BUCKING THE ROOT RIB? Kyle- You betcha. Do this at the wing tip too for thefirst rib or two.It doesn't have to be anything fancy, justa few spruce diagonals to keep thoseend ribs from 'bowing' in when you heat taughten the fabric. Makesem' stayaligned straight. For you guys wondering about the'inter-rib lacing' to keepALL of the ribs upright, there is an optional way to do this: Run1/4 x 3/8spruce/fir, etc. strips the whole length of the wing panels glued to eachribdown the center. One strip at the bottom of each rib and one stripat thetop. This took only about 15 min. per wing to do with clothes pinsas clampsand T-88 glue. Mike C. -----Original________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
> Subject: Ribs> > > Speaking of ribs, is everyone aware thatCharlie Rubeck sells an excellent set of ribs?> > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )> > Mike:> You're right!. I've seen them at Sun N Funseveral times. Charlies a real nice guy and doesgood work. Believe me If I had done a Piet insteadof the GN-1 (theres a difference) AND had it to doover again, I would use his ribs. I had many manyhours in my ribs and could have saved a lot of effortfor just a few $$$ s.> Bert> > >________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
> > Subject: Ribs> >> >> > Speaking of ribs, is everyone aware that> Charlie Rubeck sells an excellent set of ribs?> >> > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )> >> > Mike:> > You're right!. I've seen them at Sun N Fun> several times. Charlies a real nice guy and does> good work. Believe me If I had done a Piet instead> of the GN-1 (theres a difference) AND had it to do> over again, I would use his ribs. I had many many> hours in my ribs and could have saved a lot of effort> for just a few $$$ s.> > Bert> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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