Original Posted By: "Howard Wilkinson"
With the long fuselage and a A-65 eng, is the wing normally moved back? Gary frgtdog(at)worldnet.att.net________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By: Lawrence V Williams
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By: "Tim Cunningham"
Gary, make the motor mount three to four inches longer than the plans andyou will not have to move the wing back as much. I made my mount 3 incheslonger and wish I would have gone one more inch.Copinfo(at)home.comTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510________________________________________________________________________________
Gary, make the motor mount three to four inches longer than the plans andyou will not have to move the wing back as much. I made my mount 3 incheslonger and wish I would have gone one more inch.Copinfo(at)home.comTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Ken Wrote: >> The added length is at the rear cockpit. Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:20:52 -0700 (MST)
Ken Wrote: >> The added length is at the rear cockpit. Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:20:52 -0700 (MST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By:> Ken Beanlands
Mine is longer ahead of the wing to compensate for the lighter engine asyou surmised,nearly a foot longer. Doug----------
Mine is longer ahead of the wing to compensate for the lighter engine asyou surmised,nearly a foot longer. Doug----------
Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By:> Doug
But from what plan is "mine"?----------
But from what plan is "mine"?----------
Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By: "Gary Meadows"
Hi,I'm planning on building a mockup of the cockpit area from the 1932Flying and Glider manual. I was hoping someone couldtell me the changes in the cockpit between these plans and the longfuselage version (approximate numbers would be fine).I'm 6'4''and about 250 lbs. I was also wondering what the gross weigt of theaircraft is and whether it is determined by the engine being used or thedeign strenght of the aircraft. Thanks for any information you can giveme.Brian Buchananp.s. dieting is an option________________________________________________________________________________
Hi,I'm planning on building a mockup of the cockpit area from the 1932Flying and Glider manual. I was hoping someone couldtell me the changes in the cockpit between these plans and the longfuselage version (approximate numbers would be fine).I'm 6'4''and about 250 lbs. I was also wondering what the gross weigt of theaircraft is and whether it is determined by the engine being used or thedeign strenght of the aircraft. Thanks for any information you can giveme.Brian Buchananp.s. dieting is an option________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By: Edward Nolan
Brian, the usual gross weight for the Piet is around 1100#, and the engine will make a good difference, in that some engines will give you a better HP/weight ratio, and a lower empty weight. A well built Piet should weigh 630-650#, so that would leave you 450-470# usable. Add in fuel and a average weight wife, and you're there! I feel like if you had a strong, lightweight engine, then you might could up your gross weight to 1150# maybe even 1200#, just get ready for the sink on final! The Piet is sure a stout design, and would surely take that okay. I am building the long fuselage Piet and I also added an inch to the rear cockpit(as well as the front cockpit, and forward-most bay. This will give me 3" more rear cockpit space than the original Piet design. I also added 2" to the width - I'm about 250# myself. I've been told by more than one experienced Piet flyer that a couple inches more width would really be nice. I'll be doing the "Sit in the cockpit, and make engines noises" ground test soon, I'll try to remember to post the experience to let you know. The Piet is really a sweet-building airplane, and I've enjoyed the work immensely, I hope your evaluation comes out positive and you join the ranks of sawdust-covered Piet builders!Gary MeadowsSpring, TX________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:26:30 -0800 (PST)
Brian, the usual gross weight for the Piet is around 1100#, and the engine will make a good difference, in that some engines will give you a better HP/weight ratio, and a lower empty weight. A well built Piet should weigh 630-650#, so that would leave you 450-470# usable. Add in fuel and a average weight wife, and you're there! I feel like if you had a strong, lightweight engine, then you might could up your gross weight to 1150# maybe even 1200#, just get ready for the sink on final! The Piet is sure a stout design, and would surely take that okay. I am building the long fuselage Piet and I also added an inch to the rear cockpit(as well as the front cockpit, and forward-most bay. This will give me 3" more rear cockpit space than the original Piet design. I also added 2" to the width - I'm about 250# myself. I've been told by more than one experienced Piet flyer that a couple inches more width would really be nice. I'll be doing the "Sit in the cockpit, and make engines noises" ground test soon, I'll try to remember to post the experience to let you know. The Piet is really a sweet-building airplane, and I've enjoyed the work immensely, I hope your evaluation comes out positive and you join the ranks of sawdust-covered Piet builders!Gary MeadowsSpring, TX________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:26:30 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood Gussets
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood GussetsTo all,I did not have any trouble with the 90 degree plywood on the leading edge either.Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:08:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood GussetsTo all,I did not have any trouble with the 90 degree plywood on the leading edge either.Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:08:42 -0500
Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By: AWMACK(at)aol.com
Hey Al Swanson (and others), you say you are using a Model A and making a long fuselage. Isn't that mainly for other engines? Are there any considerations when mixing those two? Jeff in Texas________________________________________________________________________________
Hey Al Swanson (and others), you say you are using a Model A and making a long fuselage. Isn't that mainly for other engines? Are there any considerations when mixing those two? Jeff in Texas________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jeff,I researched this fairly carefully, but would be interested in what othershave to say. I could not find any admonishments about this combination inany of the literature or notes I used. Vi Kapler said there is no reasonnot to use this combination, because the CG is adjustable by moving the wingfore and aft. Some years ago there were several planes with variouscombinations of fuselage and engine weighed at Brodhead (results publishedin BPAN). One of them had a long fuselage and Model A, and although a fewpounds heavier, the CG came out alright. And I weigh only 155 pounds whichI felt would make up for the slightly heavier tail. But I needed the extralength for my long legs (they don't call me a bean pole for nothing!)So I don't anticipate any problems, but will be interested in any otheropinions or experience with this combination.Al Swansonswans071(at)tc.umn.edu-----Original Message-----
Jeff,I researched this fairly carefully, but would be interested in what othershave to say. I could not find any admonishments about this combination inany of the literature or notes I used. Vi Kapler said there is no reasonnot to use this combination, because the CG is adjustable by moving the wingfore and aft. Some years ago there were several planes with variouscombinations of fuselage and engine weighed at Brodhead (results publishedin BPAN). One of them had a long fuselage and Model A, and although a fewpounds heavier, the CG came out alright. And I weigh only 155 pounds whichI felt would make up for the slightly heavier tail. But I needed the extralength for my long legs (they don't call me a bean pole for nothing!)So I don't anticipate any problems, but will be interested in any otheropinions or experience with this combination.Al Swansonswans071(at)tc.umn.edu-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By: Chris Tracy
Subject: (no subject) CliffGandy(at)aol.com, Fscarpenter(at)aol.com, WHC978(at)gateway.net, Isablcorky(at)aol.com, Laateedah(at)aol.com, hdgray(at)cbt.net, jana_green(at)jamail-kolius.com, ABAHand(at)aol.com, herzog807(at)email.msn.com, GHillh7850(at)aol.com, JBrainis(at)aol.com, kalmbach(at)shreve.net, FDegene879(at)aol.com, s.kerlin(at)worldnet.att.net, Risksis(at)aol.com, CWells225(at)aol.com, OColWinM(at)aol.com, kmegill(at)yahoo.com, blainem(at)ipa.net, Peavy(at)shreve.net, jwwright(at)airmail.netDuring taxi, the crew of a US AIR departure flight to Ft. Lauderdale made a wrong turn and came nose to nose with a United 727. The irate ground controller (a female) screamed, "US Air 2771, where are you going? I told you to turn right on "Charlie" taxiway; you turned right on "Delta. Stop right there! I know it's difficult to tell the difference between C's & D's, but get it right!" Continuing her lashing to the embarrassed crew, she was now shouting hysterically, "God, you've screwed everything up; it'll take forever to sort this out. You stay right there and don't move until I tell you to! Then, I want you to go exactly where I tell you, when I tell you, and how I tell you. You got that, US Air 2771?" The humbled crew responded, "Yes, Ma'am." The ground control frequency went terribly silent; no one wanted to engage the irate ground controller in her current state. Tension in every cockpit at LGA was running high. Then an unknown male pilot broke the silence and asked, "Wasn't I married to you once?" --------- End Original Message ---------________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:46:11 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Subject: (no subject) CliffGandy(at)aol.com, Fscarpenter(at)aol.com, WHC978(at)gateway.net, Isablcorky(at)aol.com, Laateedah(at)aol.com, hdgray(at)cbt.net, jana_green(at)jamail-kolius.com, ABAHand(at)aol.com, herzog807(at)email.msn.com, GHillh7850(at)aol.com, JBrainis(at)aol.com, kalmbach(at)shreve.net, FDegene879(at)aol.com, s.kerlin(at)worldnet.att.net, Risksis(at)aol.com, CWells225(at)aol.com, OColWinM(at)aol.com, kmegill(at)yahoo.com, blainem(at)ipa.net, Peavy(at)shreve.net, jwwright(at)airmail.netDuring taxi, the crew of a US AIR departure flight to Ft. Lauderdale made a wrong turn and came nose to nose with a United 727. The irate ground controller (a female) screamed, "US Air 2771, where are you going? I told you to turn right on "Charlie" taxiway; you turned right on "Delta. Stop right there! I know it's difficult to tell the difference between C's & D's, but get it right!" Continuing her lashing to the embarrassed crew, she was now shouting hysterically, "God, you've screwed everything up; it'll take forever to sort this out. You stay right there and don't move until I tell you to! Then, I want you to go exactly where I tell you, when I tell you, and how I tell you. You got that, US Air 2771?" The humbled crew responded, "Yes, Ma'am." The ground control frequency went terribly silent; no one wanted to engage the irate ground controller in her current state. Tension in every cockpit at LGA was running high. Then an unknown male pilot broke the silence and asked, "Wasn't I married to you once?" --------- End Original Message ---------________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:46:11 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
> Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By: jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry)
> > > Oh well... so much for that theory
> > On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Michael Brusilow wrote:> > > > > Ken Wrote:> > > > > wing>>>> > > > The added length is at the rear cockpit. > > > > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )> > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)> Calgary, Alberta, Canada> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> > > Oh well... so much for that theory
> > On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Michael Brusilow wrote:> > > > > Ken Wrote:> > > > > wing>>>> > > > The added length is at the rear cockpit. > > > > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )> > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)> Calgary, Alberta, Canada> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________> Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By:> > Ken Beanlands
> > > Mine is longer ahead of the wing to compensate for the lighter engine as> you surmised,nearly a foot longer.> Doug> > ----------
> > > Mine is longer ahead of the wing to compensate for the lighter engine as> you surmised,nearly a foot longer.> Doug> > ----------
> > Re: Pietenpol-List: long fuselage
Original Posted By: "mboynton(at)excite.com
> > > > > > > Oh well... so much for that theory> > > > On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Michael Brusilow wrote:> > > > > > > > > Ken Wrote:> > > > > > the> > > wing>>>> > > > > > The added length is at the rear cockpit. > > > > > > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )> > > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada> > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > > Oh well... so much for that theory
> > > > On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Michael Brusilow wrote:> > > > > > > > > Ken Wrote:> > > > > > the> > > wing>>>> > > > > > The added length is at the rear cockpit. > > > > > > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )> > > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada> > Christavia MK 1 C-GREN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________