Original Posted By: oil can
A fellow the other day was talking about aleron spars being cut too short...Ithink it was steve who responded saying that he had made his aleron spars fromfir rather than a/c grade spruce. This leads me to the question, has anybody considered using anything for wing sparsbesides a/c grade spruce? Maybe fir spars, or hemlock?If so, how did you choose the lumber? What was the lumber grade?ETC ETC...For myself, I choose to use hemlock for the aleron spars in my ace, and did soby going through every stick of hardware lumber in spokane wa. I made the choiceof hemlock after reading the eaa book on building airplanes in wood.After breaking several samples of both a/c spruce, and hemlock, I believe thathemlock was a good choice.Now I'm casually thinking of using it for spars, but probably won'tDoes anyboby have any comments?bobhttp://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: wood
Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
A fellow the other day was talking about aleron spars being cut too short...Ithink it was steve who responded saying that he had made his aleron spars fromfir rather than a/c grade spruce. This leads me to the question, has anybody considered using anything for wing sparsbesides a/c grade spruce? Maybe fir spars, or hemlock?If so, how did you choose the lumber? What was the lumber grade?ETC ETC...For myself, I choose to use hemlock for the aleron spars in my ace, and did soby going through every stick of hardware lumber in spokane wa. I made the choiceof hemlock after reading the eaa book on building airplanes in wood.After breaking several samples of both a/c spruce, and hemlock, I believe thathemlock was a good choice.Now I'm casually thinking of using it for spars, but probably won'tDoes anyboby have any comments?bobhttp://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________
A fellow the other day was talking about aleron spars being cut too short...Ithink it was steve who responded saying that he had made his aleron spars fromfir rather than a/c grade spruce. This leads me to the question, has anybody considered using anything for wing sparsbesides a/c grade spruce? Maybe fir spars, or hemlock?If so, how did you choose the lumber? What was the lumber grade?ETC ETC...For myself, I choose to use hemlock for the aleron spars in my ace, and did soby going through every stick of hardware lumber in spokane wa. I made the choiceof hemlock after reading the eaa book on building airplanes in wood.After breaking several samples of both a/c spruce, and hemlock, I believe thathemlock was a good choice.Now I'm casually thinking of using it for spars, but probably won'tDoes anyboby have any comments?bobhttp://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Brad Schultz
Sure! I built my whole airframe out of fir. Not one branch of Spruce in thewhole plane. AC 43 acceptable methods and procedures has a table of othercommon woods used in construction. The guy that build his plane out of apoplar tree cut from his own back yard has got the corner on bragging rightson this topic!Stevee-----Original Message-----canSent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 2:40 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: wood A fellow the other day was talking about aleron spars being cut tooshort...I think it was steve who responded saying that he had made hisaleron spars from fir rather than a/c grade spruce.This leads me to the question, has anybody considered using anything forwing spars besides a/c grade spruce? Maybe fir spars, or hemlock?If so, how did you choose the lumber?What was the lumber grade?ETC ETC...For myself, I choose to use hemlock for the aleron spars in my ace, and didso by going through every stick of hardware lumber in spokane wa. I made thechoice of hemlock after reading the eaa book on building airplanes in wood.After breaking several samples of both a/c spruce, and hemlock, I believethat hemlock was a good choice.Now I'm casually thinking of using it for spars, but probably won'tDoes anyboby have any comments?bobhttp://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________
Sure! I built my whole airframe out of fir. Not one branch of Spruce in thewhole plane. AC 43 acceptable methods and procedures has a table of othercommon woods used in construction. The guy that build his plane out of apoplar tree cut from his own back yard has got the corner on bragging rightson this topic!Stevee-----Original Message-----canSent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 2:40 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: wood A fellow the other day was talking about aleron spars being cut tooshort...I think it was steve who responded saying that he had made hisaleron spars from fir rather than a/c grade spruce.This leads me to the question, has anybody considered using anything forwing spars besides a/c grade spruce? Maybe fir spars, or hemlock?If so, how did you choose the lumber?What was the lumber grade?ETC ETC...For myself, I choose to use hemlock for the aleron spars in my ace, and didso by going through every stick of hardware lumber in spokane wa. I made thechoice of hemlock after reading the eaa book on building airplanes in wood.After breaking several samples of both a/c spruce, and hemlock, I believethat hemlock was a good choice.Now I'm casually thinking of using it for spars, but probably won'tDoes anyboby have any comments?bobhttp://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: wood
Original Posted By: rdecosta(at)autoeurope.com (Richard DeCosta)
To those looking for wood,Besides alternative woods, you might try some alternative sources. Mypartner and I gotsome excellent spruce, enough for two Piets, from R.A.W. Resources onthe west coastfor $3.50 a board foot. We plan to laminate the spars the way Mr.Pietenpol did on the last 2 or 3 planes he built -- 3/4 inches thickmade of 5 or 6 layers of laminated wood.I believe A.C. 43 gives the guidelines for the proper way to do this.You add 1/8" plywood on each side where ribs and other attachments aremade to fill it out to the fullone inch thickness. Vi Kapler has described this at several forums Ihave attended.By the Way. We are now looking for a good (read inexpensive) sourceof the FinnishBirch plywoood in the ultra-thin thicknesses. We contacted A.I.T. inLos Angeles aftersomeone recommended it here, and found their prices much better thanWicks orA.S.&Sp., but one of their officers called us back and said that theshipping price wouldbe awful from LA to Peoria, and recommended we find a source in themidwest. Does anyone know of one, or how we could find one?John in Peoria________________________________________________________________________________
To those looking for wood,Besides alternative woods, you might try some alternative sources. Mypartner and I gotsome excellent spruce, enough for two Piets, from R.A.W. Resources onthe west coastfor $3.50 a board foot. We plan to laminate the spars the way Mr.Pietenpol did on the last 2 or 3 planes he built -- 3/4 inches thickmade of 5 or 6 layers of laminated wood.I believe A.C. 43 gives the guidelines for the proper way to do this.You add 1/8" plywood on each side where ribs and other attachments aremade to fill it out to the fullone inch thickness. Vi Kapler has described this at several forums Ihave attended.By the Way. We are now looking for a good (read inexpensive) sourceof the FinnishBirch plywoood in the ultra-thin thicknesses. We contacted A.I.T. inLos Angeles aftersomeone recommended it here, and found their prices much better thanWicks orA.S.&Sp., but one of their officers called us back and said that theshipping price wouldbe awful from LA to Peoria, and recommended we find a source in themidwest. Does anyone know of one, or how we could find one?John in Peoria________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: wood
Original Posted By: LanhamOS(at)aol.com
Regarding the query about the possible use of woods otherthan spruce for the aileron spars, I used clear white pine on my Pietenpol with no problems in nearly 28 years of flying. Irecovered the aircraft about 13 years ago and found these items to be in perfect condition at that time. However, therewere a few of the diagonal bracing strips (spruce) that had become unglued (Aerolite glue) and I reattached them to the aileron spars with epoxy. To date, there is no evidence that these joints are unsound.Don't be afraid to use other wood species that are recognizedas acceptable substitutes for spruce. I used fir wing spars andyellow cedar trailing edges (high resistance to rot in a locationwhere moisture tends to collect). Wing ribs, and just about every-thing else, are made of Sitka Spruce. Back when I built mine, one could get longer lengths of spruce and I didn't have to splice my longerons. However, a friend bought a Piet that had badly damaged rear lower longerons caused bya leaf-type tailwheel spring. We spliced in some new materialabout two feet long and installed the yoke/compression spring type tailwheel assembly. Epoxy glue was used, but I cannot rememberwhat kind. The repair has been fine ever since, and that was abouttwenty years ago. (It should be noted that the fuselage side gussetswere made longer so as to provide a reinforcement of the splicedarea.) So it is OK to splice the longerons, but follow acceptable methods for aircraft repairs (as in 43-13-1A). And fir or white pine would beOK for aileron spars, as long as they meet the criteria for aircraftquality wood,Cheers,Graham Hansen________________________________________________________________________________
Regarding the query about the possible use of woods otherthan spruce for the aileron spars, I used clear white pine on my Pietenpol with no problems in nearly 28 years of flying. Irecovered the aircraft about 13 years ago and found these items to be in perfect condition at that time. However, therewere a few of the diagonal bracing strips (spruce) that had become unglued (Aerolite glue) and I reattached them to the aileron spars with epoxy. To date, there is no evidence that these joints are unsound.Don't be afraid to use other wood species that are recognizedas acceptable substitutes for spruce. I used fir wing spars andyellow cedar trailing edges (high resistance to rot in a locationwhere moisture tends to collect). Wing ribs, and just about every-thing else, are made of Sitka Spruce. Back when I built mine, one could get longer lengths of spruce and I didn't have to splice my longerons. However, a friend bought a Piet that had badly damaged rear lower longerons caused bya leaf-type tailwheel spring. We spliced in some new materialabout two feet long and installed the yoke/compression spring type tailwheel assembly. Epoxy glue was used, but I cannot rememberwhat kind. The repair has been fine ever since, and that was abouttwenty years ago. (It should be noted that the fuselage side gussetswere made longer so as to provide a reinforcement of the splicedarea.) So it is OK to splice the longerons, but follow acceptable methods for aircraft repairs (as in 43-13-1A). And fir or white pine would beOK for aileron spars, as long as they meet the criteria for aircraftquality wood,Cheers,Graham Hansen________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: wood
Original Posted By: Ian Holland
Do you have an address/phone/website address for RAW? I am going to be buying more wood soon, and would like to shop around. Richard D.http://207.140.1.221/w3builder/pietOn 10 Jun 98, at 23:00, Aron(at)hrn.bradley.edu wrote:> To those looking for wood,> > Besides alternative woods, you might try some alternative sources. My> partner and I got some excellent spruce, enough for two Piets, from > R.A.W. Resources on the west coast for $3.50 a board foot. We plan to> laminate the spars the way Mr. Pietenpol did on the last 2 or 3 planes he> built -- 3/4 inches thick made of 5 or 6 layers of laminated wood. I> believe A.C. 43 gives the guidelines for the proper way to do this. You> add 1/8" plywood on each side where ribs and other attachments are made to> fill it out to the full one inch thickness. Vi Kapler has described this> at several forums I have attended.> > > By the Way. We are now looking for a good (read inexpensive) source of> the Finnish Birch plywoood in the ultra-thin thicknesses. We contacted > A.I.T. in Los Angeles after someone recommended it here, and found their> prices much better than Wicks or A.S.&Sp., but one of their officers> called us back and said that the shipping price would be awful from LA to> Peoria, and recommended we find a source in the midwest. Does anyone know> of one, or how we could find one?> > John in Peoria> Web Developer, http://www.autoeurope.comHomepage: http://www.wrld.com/w3builder__________ ... __________
Do you have an address/phone/website address for RAW? I am going to be buying more wood soon, and would like to shop around. Richard D.http://207.140.1.221/w3builder/pietOn 10 Jun 98, at 23:00, Aron(at)hrn.bradley.edu wrote:> To those looking for wood,> > Besides alternative woods, you might try some alternative sources. My> partner and I got some excellent spruce, enough for two Piets, from > R.A.W. Resources on the west coast for $3.50 a board foot. We plan to> laminate the spars the way Mr. Pietenpol did on the last 2 or 3 planes he> built -- 3/4 inches thick made of 5 or 6 layers of laminated wood. I> believe A.C. 43 gives the guidelines for the proper way to do this. You> add 1/8" plywood on each side where ribs and other attachments are made to> fill it out to the full one inch thickness. Vi Kapler has described this> at several forums I have attended.> > > By the Way. We are now looking for a good (read inexpensive) source of> the Finnish Birch plywoood in the ultra-thin thicknesses. We contacted > A.I.T. in Los Angeles after someone recommended it here, and found their> prices much better than Wicks or A.S.&Sp., but one of their officers> called us back and said that the shipping price would be awful from LA to> Peoria, and recommended we find a source in the midwest. Does anyone know> of one, or how we could find one?> > John in Peoria> Web Developer, http://www.autoeurope.comHomepage: http://www.wrld.com/w3builder__________ ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
Peculiar considering the 100 series of Cessnas use Aluminum strutsCy Galley - Editor, B-C Contact!(Click here to visit our Club site at http://www.bellanca-championclub.com)-----Original Message-----
Peculiar considering the 100 series of Cessnas use Aluminum strutsCy Galley - Editor, B-C Contact!(Click here to visit our Club site at http://www.bellanca-championclub.com)-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: "Mike Lund"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood>>Hello, what a great place for Piet Info. I'm just starting this project and>was wondering what the best source for wood for the Piet would be.>Carl Loar>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood>>Hello, what a great place for Piet Info. I'm just starting this project and>was wondering what the best source for wood for the Piet would be.>Carl Loar>>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: "Doug"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood>>Best deal that I found was Western Aircraft Supply in>Calgary. With a little digging I can probably even>find the address. It was about $1500 US + $100>shipping to Rochester, NY. Let me know if you want me>to go looking for the address.>>Dave>>>>>>Hello, what a great place for Piet Info. I'm just starting this projectand>>was wondering what the best source for wood for the Piet would be.>>Carl Loar>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood>>Best deal that I found was Western Aircraft Supply in>Calgary. With a little digging I can probably even>find the address. It was about $1500 US + $100>shipping to Rochester, NY. Let me know if you want me>to go looking for the address.>>Dave>>>>>>Hello, what a great place for Piet Info. I'm just starting this projectand>>was wondering what the best source for wood for the Piet would be.>>Carl Loar>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Alan Swanson
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Carl Loar
Hi Carl...That is the $10000000000000000000 question Some guys swear by certified wood only (go to Aircraft Spruce and Specialtyfor that) some guys use the local lumber yard. I have even heard of one guywho grew and harvested his own (poplar).They have been built from just about every wood known to modern man, and afew types long extinct .Get the EAA wood books, and go tohttp://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/FPLGTR/fplgt ... r113.htmTo get the FPL wood properties info. Those 2 will let ya do all thematerials substitutions your heart desires (meaning ya can use the lacallumberyard ;-)Also go to http://www.moneypit.net/~pratt/ac43/ to get the FAA ac43-whatever (acceptable techniques and practises) some very good info in it.(I am using 3/4" square ash with birch ply--a flying tank ;-)Mike-----Original Message-----
Hi Carl...That is the $10000000000000000000 question Some guys swear by certified wood only (go to Aircraft Spruce and Specialtyfor that) some guys use the local lumber yard. I have even heard of one guywho grew and harvested his own (poplar).They have been built from just about every wood known to modern man, and afew types long extinct .Get the EAA wood books, and go tohttp://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/FPLGTR/fplgt ... r113.htmTo get the FPL wood properties info. Those 2 will let ya do all thematerials substitutions your heart desires (meaning ya can use the lacallumberyard ;-)Also go to http://www.moneypit.net/~pratt/ac43/ to get the FAA ac43-whatever (acceptable techniques and practises) some very good info in it.(I am using 3/4" square ash with birch ply--a flying tank ;-)Mike-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts
Original Posted By: "Mike Lund"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts>>Well, as always, there is unsubstantiated opinion,> and then there is engineered information. For those who prefer thelater,>contact Carlson and request the actual data and make your own informeddecision.>Best Regards>Warren>>Rodger & Betty wrote:>>>>> Sam wrote:>> Just a thought.........are aluminum lift struts okay to use instead of>> 4130 steel struts?>>>> To quote Elmer Fudd "Be very very careful" or to put it another way: NO.>> Remember, this is what your life is hanging from.>>>> Rodger>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts>>Well, as always, there is unsubstantiated opinion,> and then there is engineered information. For those who prefer thelater,>contact Carlson and request the actual data and make your own informeddecision.>Best Regards>Warren>>Rodger & Betty wrote:>>>>> Sam wrote:>> Just a thought.........are aluminum lift struts okay to use instead of>> 4130 steel struts?>>>> To quote Elmer Fudd "Be very very careful" or to put it another way: NO.>> Remember, this is what your life is hanging from.>>>> Rodger>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear follies
Original Posted By:>> william hutson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear follies>>Mike,> I must sincerely apoligize for not clarifying my>question more. The 2" ash cross piece is shown only>on the '33 plans, not the F&G manual. My question>delt more on the location. In the F&GM version, the>cross piece associated with the rear landing gear>strut fitting is co-located with the "V" that is>formed by the verticals in the fuselage sides. On the>'33 version, the cross piece associated with the rear>landing gear strut fitting is increased to 2" in width>and placed a few inches ahead of the "V" formed by the>verticles in the fuselage side. Since I want to use>the wood gear on the '33 version, I wondered if I>needed to change the position of the cross piece to>coinside with the "V" as in the F&GM version.> Again, I'm sorry for causing confusion and hope I>did a better job this time.>>>Bill>>--- Mike Lund wrote:>> >>>> HUH???????>>>> William, you REALLY peaked my curiosity now. I just>> spent an hour going over>> my copies of the flying and glider manual reprints,>> with a magnafying glass,>> and for both the scout and the 'camper, THERE IS NO>> 2" ASH CROSSPIECE!!!!!!.>> Not in the text and not in the drawings.>>>> There is a 1/2" x 20 guage steel crosstrap in the>> scout drawings, which I am>> putting in as a 1/8" x 1/2" -- $1.49 1025 steel>>>> Since you are not the first to offhand mention>> something about it, do I have>> an earlier version??? I admit to never having seen>> the 1933 "improved">> drawings, but my F/G manual reprints are only abot>> 10 years old (1932 for>> the 'camper and 1933 for the scout).>>>> Are these tension or compression members????>> Location????>>>> Inquiring minds wanna know !!!! (before they end up>> sitting on thier belly>> on a runway )>>>> (and at 2", for ash, just what are you going to>> land on them, a 727?????>> )>> -----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear follies>>Mike,> I must sincerely apoligize for not clarifying my>question more. The 2" ash cross piece is shown only>on the '33 plans, not the F&G manual. My question>delt more on the location. In the F&GM version, the>cross piece associated with the rear landing gear>strut fitting is co-located with the "V" that is>formed by the verticals in the fuselage sides. On the>'33 version, the cross piece associated with the rear>landing gear strut fitting is increased to 2" in width>and placed a few inches ahead of the "V" formed by the>verticles in the fuselage side. Since I want to use>the wood gear on the '33 version, I wondered if I>needed to change the position of the cross piece to>coinside with the "V" as in the F&GM version.> Again, I'm sorry for causing confusion and hope I>did a better job this time.>>>Bill>>--- Mike Lund wrote:>> >>>> HUH???????>>>> William, you REALLY peaked my curiosity now. I just>> spent an hour going over>> my copies of the flying and glider manual reprints,>> with a magnafying glass,>> and for both the scout and the 'camper, THERE IS NO>> 2" ASH CROSSPIECE!!!!!!.>> Not in the text and not in the drawings.>>>> There is a 1/2" x 20 guage steel crosstrap in the>> scout drawings, which I am>> putting in as a 1/8" x 1/2" -- $1.49 1025 steel>>>> Since you are not the first to offhand mention>> something about it, do I have>> an earlier version??? I admit to never having seen>> the 1933 "improved">> drawings, but my F/G manual reprints are only abot>> 10 years old (1932 for>> the 'camper and 1933 for the scout).>>>> Are these tension or compression members????>> Location????>>>> Inquiring minds wanna know !!!! (before they end up>> sitting on thier belly>> on a runway )>>>> (and at 2", for ash, just what are you going to>> land on them, a 727?????>> )>> -----Original Message-----
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts
Original Posted By: "Conoly"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts>>Peculiar considering the 100 series of Cessnas use Aluminum struts>>Cy Galley - Editor, B-C Contact!>(Click here to visit our Club site at http://www.bellanca-championclub.com)>>>-----Original Message----->From: Warren Shoun >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 6:35 PM>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts>>>>>>Well, as always, there is unsubstantiated opinion,>> and then there is engineered information. For those who prefer the>later,>>contact Carlson and request the actual data and make your own informed>decision.>>Best Regards>>Warren>>>>Rodger & Betty wrote:>>>>>>>>> Sam wrote:>>> Just a thought.........are aluminum lift struts okay to use instead of>>> 4130 steel struts?>>>>>> To quote Elmer Fudd "Be very very careful" or to put it another way: NO.>>> Remember, this is what your life is hanging from.>>>>>> Rodger>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts>>Peculiar considering the 100 series of Cessnas use Aluminum struts>>Cy Galley - Editor, B-C Contact!>(Click here to visit our Club site at http://www.bellanca-championclub.com)>>>-----Original Message----->From: Warren Shoun >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 6:35 PM>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts>>>>>>Well, as always, there is unsubstantiated opinion,>> and then there is engineered information. For those who prefer the>later,>>contact Carlson and request the actual data and make your own informed>decision.>>Best Regards>>Warren>>>>Rodger & Betty wrote:>>>>>>>>> Sam wrote:>>> Just a thought.........are aluminum lift struts okay to use instead of>>> 4130 steel struts?>>>>>> To quote Elmer Fudd "Be very very careful" or to put it another way: NO.>>> Remember, this is what your life is hanging from.>>>>>> Rodger>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
Western Aircraft Supply is listed in the back of Sport Aviation.623Markerville Rd.,NE,Calgary,Alberta,T2E 5X1 Canada.Phone 403-250-1955-----Original Message-----
Western Aircraft Supply is listed in the back of Sport Aviation.623Markerville Rd.,NE,Calgary,Alberta,T2E 5X1 Canada.Phone 403-250-1955-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: william hutson
Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear follies
Original Posted By: william hutson
Ok, Bill,...THX.. for a minute I thought I was stupid. Look at the same book for a fewyears and still not know whats going on......oh, wait a minute, that wasbeer...um....er.....college Then if you are looking at the same drawings I am, dont worry about it witha scout-type gear.When ya hit, the wheels move outward and upward, which puts the bottom fusein tension (sides in compression), The spring collapses, absorbing the shockand moving the upper mount upwards. Tension again on the sides, relived bythe top. compression on the top.This causes the upper mounts to move up and in (compression on the box) butthe wires and struts move that to the wings as flex. (dont even TRY on sparforces )If ya are thinking about cub-type gear, when ya hit, you spilt the bungiesby moving the gear upwards and outwards, which puts the floor incompression. No load members besides trussing to move the forcesupwards......Oh,...its clear as kalua and coffee.....O.K....... Now, I understand a good honking chunk of ash between the mounts.Go scout gear. One more time, BHP knew what he was doing... (too bad hedidnt see the price of '00 materials...he would'a done it of paper ).Mike-----Original Message-----
Ok, Bill,...THX.. for a minute I thought I was stupid. Look at the same book for a fewyears and still not know whats going on......oh, wait a minute, that wasbeer...um....er.....college Then if you are looking at the same drawings I am, dont worry about it witha scout-type gear.When ya hit, the wheels move outward and upward, which puts the bottom fusein tension (sides in compression), The spring collapses, absorbing the shockand moving the upper mount upwards. Tension again on the sides, relived bythe top. compression on the top.This causes the upper mounts to move up and in (compression on the box) butthe wires and struts move that to the wings as flex. (dont even TRY on sparforces )If ya are thinking about cub-type gear, when ya hit, you spilt the bungiesby moving the gear upwards and outwards, which puts the floor incompression. No load members besides trussing to move the forcesupwards......Oh,...its clear as kalua and coffee.....O.K....... Now, I understand a good honking chunk of ash between the mounts.Go scout gear. One more time, BHP knew what he was doing... (too bad hedidnt see the price of '00 materials...he would'a done it of paper ).Mike-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts
Original Posted By: Cy Galley
I cant say for the 100 series I have never seen one apart , but the 02a and337 use a hard extrusion with an .016 sreamlined slipcover.And THAT is a &*Y*%%&%&**Y&%#%$#to try and fitMike-----Original Message-----
I cant say for the 100 series I have never seen one apart , but the 02a and337 use a hard extrusion with an .016 sreamlined slipcover.And THAT is a &*Y*%%&%&**Y&%#%$#to try and fitMike-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Trees. no doubt the best source.Steve E.100% douglas fir from a local mill Piet.-----Original Message-----
Trees. no doubt the best source.Steve E.100% douglas fir from a local mill Piet.-----Original Message-----
> Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: "Mike Lund"
thanks, this is the kind of info i needed to knowregards,Mike>From: "Mike Lund" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood>Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:24:11 -0500>>>Hi Carl...>>That is the $10000000000000000000 question >>Some guys swear by certified wood only (go to Aircraft Spruce and Specialty>for that) some guys use the local lumber yard. I have even heard of one guy>who grew and harvested his own (poplar).>>They have been built from just about every wood known to modern man, and a>few types long extinct .>>Get the EAA wood books, and go to>http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/FPLGT ... 13.htm>>To get the FPL wood properties info. Those 2 will let ya do all the>materials substitutions your heart desires (meaning ya can use the lacal>lumberyard
>>Also go to http://www.moneypit.net/~pratt/ac43/ to get the FAA ac>43-whatever (acceptable techniques and practises) some very good info in >it.>>(I am using 3/4" square ash with birch ply--a flying tank >>Mike>>-----Original Message----->From: Carl Loar >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 7:39 PM>Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood>>> >> >Hello, what a great place for Piet Info. I'm just starting this project >and> >was wondering what the best source for wood for the Piet would be.> >Carl Loar> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________
thanks, this is the kind of info i needed to knowregards,Mike>From: "Mike Lund" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood>Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:24:11 -0500>>>Hi Carl...>>That is the $10000000000000000000 question >>Some guys swear by certified wood only (go to Aircraft Spruce and Specialty>for that) some guys use the local lumber yard. I have even heard of one guy>who grew and harvested his own (poplar).>>They have been built from just about every wood known to modern man, and a>few types long extinct .>>Get the EAA wood books, and go to>http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/FPLGT ... 13.htm>>To get the FPL wood properties info. Those 2 will let ya do all the>materials substitutions your heart desires (meaning ya can use the lacal>lumberyard
>>Also go to http://www.moneypit.net/~pratt/ac43/ to get the FAA ac>43-whatever (acceptable techniques and practises) some very good info in >it.>>(I am using 3/4" square ash with birch ply--a flying tank >>Mike>>-----Original Message----->From: Carl Loar >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 7:39 PM>Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood>>> >> >Hello, what a great place for Piet Info. I'm just starting this project >and> >was wondering what the best source for wood for the Piet would be.> >Carl Loar> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: "Robert"
Greetings from a lurker!I'm currently building a Kolb SlingShot and finishing the wings on aPober Super Ace but if I was now at my starting point, it would bestarting an Air Camper. Regardless, I'll be ordering the plans soon.Maybe I can start on the Air Camper before the wife finds out. (naw,she won't notice THREE airplanes in the basement)Anyway, I have a question regarding wood, particularly the use ofSitka Spruce. I realize it's a great wood but what are the woodalternatives? Select Sitka is currently about $16 a board foot.Compare that with White Pine________________________________________________________________________________
Greetings from a lurker!I'm currently building a Kolb SlingShot and finishing the wings on aPober Super Ace but if I was now at my starting point, it would bestarting an Air Camper. Regardless, I'll be ordering the plans soon.Maybe I can start on the Air Camper before the wife finds out. (naw,she won't notice THREE airplanes in the basement)Anyway, I have a question regarding wood, particularly the use ofSitka Spruce. I realize it's a great wood but what are the woodalternatives? Select Sitka is currently about $16 a board foot.Compare that with White Pine________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By:> Robert [SMTP:robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com]
Hi Robert,There are a lot of alternatives to Sitka Spruce, the best probably being DouglasFir. Sitka Spruce has about the best strength/weight ratio, plus a lot of otherattractive properties, but cost is not one of them. If you compare strength and density, using modulus of rupture as the referencefor strength, you find the following:Wood Modulus of Rupture (psi) Density (lb/ft3) Strength/weight Shear strength Parallel tograin (psi)Sitka Spruce 10,200 28 364.29 1,150Douglas Fir 12,400 34 364.71 1,160White Pine 8,600 24 358.33 900All this data comes from Marks' Standard Handbook for Mechanical EngineersAs you can see, Douglas Fir and Sitka Spruce are very close. There is one bigdifference that in my mind makes the choice easy - spruce is much easier to workwith than fir. I tried using fir for some of my wing parts and just got tiredof it splitting so easy. The thought of a forced landing with fir longeronssplitting and splintering (and stabbing) is not very appealing to me. It alsohas a very disagreeable turpentine smell when cutting and working it.If you do use fir, in order to keep from amking the plane overly heavy all thedimensions need to be worked down a bit from the spruce dimensions - otherwiseit will end up about 21% heavier than it needs to be. However, its shear strenghtis about the same as spruce, so I wouldn't reduce any dimension that iscarrying a load that is primarily shear.I chose spruce even though it is expensive because I wanted to keep the plane aslight as possible, and even though I am an engineer and can do the stress analysisto safely substitute other materials, I think spruce is the best material.I have built mine using aircraft grade spruce exclusively, and the totalcost of all wood is only about $2,000. I could have saved perhaps half that byusing other woods, but it would have taken a lot of trouble and time, and Iwouldn't have the peace of mind that I do with aircraft grade spruce.Whether or not you use spruce or fir, get the EAA's book on wood aircraft construction.It has a lot of good information on the subject of alternate woods,and tells you how to select wood for aircraft use. Even if you use aircraft gradespruce, you will still need to know how to select wood for some of the specialtypieces in a Pietenpol, such as the white ash cross members in the fuselagewhere the landing gear attaches. Knowing what kind of grain pattern to lookfor is important.Good luck, Jack Phillips> -----Original Message-----
Hi Robert,There are a lot of alternatives to Sitka Spruce, the best probably being DouglasFir. Sitka Spruce has about the best strength/weight ratio, plus a lot of otherattractive properties, but cost is not one of them. If you compare strength and density, using modulus of rupture as the referencefor strength, you find the following:Wood Modulus of Rupture (psi) Density (lb/ft3) Strength/weight Shear strength Parallel tograin (psi)Sitka Spruce 10,200 28 364.29 1,150Douglas Fir 12,400 34 364.71 1,160White Pine 8,600 24 358.33 900All this data comes from Marks' Standard Handbook for Mechanical EngineersAs you can see, Douglas Fir and Sitka Spruce are very close. There is one bigdifference that in my mind makes the choice easy - spruce is much easier to workwith than fir. I tried using fir for some of my wing parts and just got tiredof it splitting so easy. The thought of a forced landing with fir longeronssplitting and splintering (and stabbing) is not very appealing to me. It alsohas a very disagreeable turpentine smell when cutting and working it.If you do use fir, in order to keep from amking the plane overly heavy all thedimensions need to be worked down a bit from the spruce dimensions - otherwiseit will end up about 21% heavier than it needs to be. However, its shear strenghtis about the same as spruce, so I wouldn't reduce any dimension that iscarrying a load that is primarily shear.I chose spruce even though it is expensive because I wanted to keep the plane aslight as possible, and even though I am an engineer and can do the stress analysisto safely substitute other materials, I think spruce is the best material.I have built mine using aircraft grade spruce exclusively, and the totalcost of all wood is only about $2,000. I could have saved perhaps half that byusing other woods, but it would have taken a lot of trouble and time, and Iwouldn't have the peace of mind that I do with aircraft grade spruce.Whether or not you use spruce or fir, get the EAA's book on wood aircraft construction.It has a lot of good information on the subject of alternate woods,and tells you how to select wood for aircraft use. Even if you use aircraft gradespruce, you will still need to know how to select wood for some of the specialtypieces in a Pietenpol, such as the white ash cross members in the fuselagewhere the landing gear attaches. Knowing what kind of grain pattern to lookfor is important.Good luck, Jack Phillips> -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Robert
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> Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: "Warren D. Shoun"
Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: del magsam
RE: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
all good info except the statement about 21% weight increase is misleading.The weight of the wood is only about 250 lbs in a finished airplane (Aguess) That would suggest a 40lb penalty or so. There is nothing but Firin my airplane and I finished with a flying weight of 626lbs. I doubt Icould have made 580 using spruce.Just a thought....Steve E.-----Original Message-----
all good info except the statement about 21% weight increase is misleading.The weight of the wood is only about 250 lbs in a finished airplane (Aguess) That would suggest a 40lb penalty or so. There is nothing but Firin my airplane and I finished with a flying weight of 626lbs. I doubt Icould have made 580 using spruce.Just a thought....Steve E.-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: mboynton(at)excite.com
10:41:16 AMMost of my wood has come from Lowes. Depending on the area of thecountry you are in, the wood that makes up their stock selection willvary. Here in the Southeast, I have been getting white spruce astheir basic stock wood. I have been buying 2x8's that have a goodgrain and ripping out clear sections from them. I bought some good 14ft pieces and got good longerons from two of them and lots of otherdimensioned stuff from the rest. I have less than $100 in most of thewood that I have.One thing that I haven't located yet is some ash for the gearattachment to the fuselage. I'll have to look beyond Lowes for this.Clear yellow pine is good. It's just harder to work and heavier.Mike BellColumbia, SC________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:14:27 -0800 (PST)
10:41:16 AMMost of my wood has come from Lowes. Depending on the area of thecountry you are in, the wood that makes up their stock selection willvary. Here in the Southeast, I have been getting white spruce astheir basic stock wood. I have been buying 2x8's that have a goodgrain and ripping out clear sections from them. I bought some good 14ft pieces and got good longerons from two of them and lots of otherdimensioned stuff from the rest. I have less than $100 in most of thewood that I have.One thing that I haven't located yet is some ash for the gearattachment to the fuselage. I'll have to look beyond Lowes for this.Clear yellow pine is good. It's just harder to work and heavier.Mike BellColumbia, SC________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:14:27 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: "Chambers, Ken"
Mike, I was able to find Ash at a woodworkers store near me. They specialize in all the nice hardwoods, and shiny, beautiful tools that I could hear calling to me. I had to whistle and walk quickly by on my way to the back where the hardwood is! Anyway, check out any of those specialty shops near you. I bought a nice piece of Ash, and I was so surprised at how cheap it was! I think it was $15-$16 for a 3/4" x 6" x 6" length. It's now in the floor of my fuselage!Good Luck!Gary MeadowsGet your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com________________________________________________________________________________
Mike, I was able to find Ash at a woodworkers store near me. They specialize in all the nice hardwoods, and shiny, beautiful tools that I could hear calling to me. I had to whistle and walk quickly by on my way to the back where the hardwood is! Anyway, check out any of those specialty shops near you. I bought a nice piece of Ash, and I was so surprised at how cheap it was! I think it was $15-$16 for a 3/4" x 6" x 6" length. It's now in the floor of my fuselage!Good Luck!Gary MeadowsGet your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Mike Bell [mailto:mbell(at)sctcorp.com]
I wonder how white spruce compares to sitka in strength and weight?-----Original Message-----
I wonder how white spruce compares to sitka in strength and weight?-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
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Original Posted By: Mike Bell [mailto:mbell(at)sctcorp.com]
12:41:03 PMI went through some of the forest products labs publications and itseemed to be quite comparable. Enough so that I was comfortable withthe substitution. That and the fact that locally, white spruce seemsto have replaced fir as the common lumber that is offered in many,many sizes. I don't have the web address for the forest products labhandy, but it's easily found in a web search. I downloaded theirhandbook on woods and test parameters and went through that.Mike BellColumbia, SC "Chambers, Ken" To: "'pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com'" Sent by: cc: owner-pietenpol-list-server@mat Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:wood ronics.com 01/09/2001 11:48 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list I wonder how white spruce compares to sitka in strength and weight?-----Original Message-----
12:41:03 PMI went through some of the forest products labs publications and itseemed to be quite comparable. Enough so that I was comfortable withthe substitution. That and the fact that locally, white spruce seemsto have replaced fir as the common lumber that is offered in many,many sizes. I don't have the web address for the forest products labhandy, but it's easily found in a web search. I downloaded theirhandbook on woods and test parameters and went through that.Mike BellColumbia, SC "Chambers, Ken" To: "'pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com'" Sent by: cc: owner-pietenpol-list-server@mat Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:wood ronics.com 01/09/2001 11:48 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list I wonder how white spruce compares to sitka in strength and weight?-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Doug413(at)aol.com
pietenpol groupi am new to the list and trying to gather all the information i can. i justchecked on the availability of spruce kits from jean peters at western a/csupply and he told me that he sold the business and that it should be up andrunning in about a month. he will advertise in sport aviation.hope this helps other newbies out there.dave pierson________________________________________________________________________________
pietenpol groupi am new to the list and trying to gather all the information i can. i justchecked on the availability of spruce kits from jean peters at western a/csupply and he told me that he sold the business and that it should be up andrunning in about a month. he will advertise in sport aviation.hope this helps other newbies out there.dave pierson________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Kip & Beth Gardner
RE: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Gdascomb(at)aol.com
Kip,Your talking about Larry Harrison's Poplar Piet. I went to southern Alabamato see it when it came out in Sport Av or Experimenter, wanted to see theChevy 2.5L he used for power. Very nice work both plane and engine. BertConoly knows Larry and has flown this plane.Larry used spruce for top and bottom longerons and I believe spars. Not sureif the rest was Yellow Poplar or some other Poplar.Bob Gilbert from the Asheville EAA chapter did some testing of Poplar forme, have the results somewhere, but as best I remember it is about the sameweight, stronger in compression, think about the same as spruce in tension.Where the problem comes in is bending, it is not near as good as spruce, thewood fibers are a lot shorter than spruce.I would contact Larry before I used it, I think I could come up with hisphone and address.Skip working on landing gear in Atlanta>regarding Yellow Poplar?>Kip Gardner ________________________________________________________________________________
Kip,Your talking about Larry Harrison's Poplar Piet. I went to southern Alabamato see it when it came out in Sport Av or Experimenter, wanted to see theChevy 2.5L he used for power. Very nice work both plane and engine. BertConoly knows Larry and has flown this plane.Larry used spruce for top and bottom longerons and I believe spars. Not sureif the rest was Yellow Poplar or some other Poplar.Bob Gilbert from the Asheville EAA chapter did some testing of Poplar forme, have the results somewhere, but as best I remember it is about the sameweight, stronger in compression, think about the same as spruce in tension.Where the problem comes in is bending, it is not near as good as spruce, thewood fibers are a lot shorter than spruce.I would contact Larry before I used it, I think I could come up with hisphone and address.Skip working on landing gear in Atlanta>regarding Yellow Poplar?>Kip Gardner ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Kip & Beth Gardner
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: woodIn a message dated 1/22/02 12:29:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net writes:>Can you tell us more about the project you acquired ? What all did you get? How much did it set you back?What kind of guarantee did you get ? -dennis the menace________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:22:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: woodIn a message dated 1/22/02 12:29:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net writes:>Can you tell us more about the project you acquired ? What all did you get? How much did it set you back?What kind of guarantee did you get ? -dennis the menace________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:22:41 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Larry Neal
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: woodIn a message dated 1/22/02 6:24:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net writes:> Actually, I think I got a pretty good project, all in all. It's a long-fuse> version, which suits me as I plan on using a corvair engine. Bought it from> Pat Letarte in Cincinnati & got it home here to Canton with the help of a> member of the Wadsworth,OH EAA chapter who just happened to own a 26'> enclosed trailer that which he uses to haul around the Ultralights his Co.> sells. Anyone interested in a UL should check out the Aerolite Co. in> Millersburg, OH (there, that's my payback to Bob for his help!).> > What I got was a nearly completed fuse, 1 set of ribs on 3/4" spars> (right-hand wing panel) & a second set ready for the left panel, more or> less. All tail surfaces, ready to go on fuse. Also, a cub-style gear, about> 2/3 fabricated & wheels of unknown usefulness - need to run them by my> local Tech Advisor/A&P for an opinion. Coupla sheets of 1/16 A/C grade ply,> some 1/8 ply scrap, tail wheeel (also in need of evaluation), set of Vi> Kaplar's hinges, misc. spruce (but, alas, not the left-hand wing spars).> Set of Cub lift struts, bunch of 4130 tubing & sheet, a few Replicraft> fittings. Rib jig.> > Got the whole mess, except the wing panel, down into my basement workshop,> no sweat; the wing is hanging in the enclosed breezeway outside the back> door awaiting an inspiration for a 'plan B'.> > As, I said, all-in-all I think I got a pretty good project, but I'm already> thinking about things I want to review & redo to fit my ideas of where I> want to go with the project. Given all the talk on the list about the rib> layout & the fact that I got a copy of the CAD drawing that Robert Haines> drew up, I may even go so far as to make a whole new set of ribs. We'll> see, but capstrip is pretty cheap & I have LOTS of 1/16" ply for gussets!> > Oh yeah, the whole deal set me back just a couple hundred past 2K -> couldn't have bought the materials for that!> > Cheers!> > Kip Gardner (headed back to the basement to make airplane noises)> > 426 Schneider St. SE> North Canton, OH 44720> (330) 494-1775> > KIp,If you don't want your ribs, let me know. I need a set for my Scout.Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:12:41 -0600
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: woodIn a message dated 1/22/02 6:24:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net writes:> Actually, I think I got a pretty good project, all in all. It's a long-fuse> version, which suits me as I plan on using a corvair engine. Bought it from> Pat Letarte in Cincinnati & got it home here to Canton with the help of a> member of the Wadsworth,OH EAA chapter who just happened to own a 26'> enclosed trailer that which he uses to haul around the Ultralights his Co.> sells. Anyone interested in a UL should check out the Aerolite Co. in> Millersburg, OH (there, that's my payback to Bob for his help!).> > What I got was a nearly completed fuse, 1 set of ribs on 3/4" spars> (right-hand wing panel) & a second set ready for the left panel, more or> less. All tail surfaces, ready to go on fuse. Also, a cub-style gear, about> 2/3 fabricated & wheels of unknown usefulness - need to run them by my> local Tech Advisor/A&P for an opinion. Coupla sheets of 1/16 A/C grade ply,> some 1/8 ply scrap, tail wheeel (also in need of evaluation), set of Vi> Kaplar's hinges, misc. spruce (but, alas, not the left-hand wing spars).> Set of Cub lift struts, bunch of 4130 tubing & sheet, a few Replicraft> fittings. Rib jig.> > Got the whole mess, except the wing panel, down into my basement workshop,> no sweat; the wing is hanging in the enclosed breezeway outside the back> door awaiting an inspiration for a 'plan B'.> > As, I said, all-in-all I think I got a pretty good project, but I'm already> thinking about things I want to review & redo to fit my ideas of where I> want to go with the project. Given all the talk on the list about the rib> layout & the fact that I got a copy of the CAD drawing that Robert Haines> drew up, I may even go so far as to make a whole new set of ribs. We'll> see, but capstrip is pretty cheap & I have LOTS of 1/16" ply for gussets!> > Oh yeah, the whole deal set me back just a couple hundred past 2K -> couldn't have bought the materials for that!> > Cheers!> > Kip Gardner (headed back to the basement to make airplane noises)> > 426 Schneider St. SE> North Canton, OH 44720> (330) 494-1775> > KIp,If you don't want your ribs, let me know. I need a set for my Scout.Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:12:41 -0600
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Kip & Beth Gardner
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: woodIn a message dated 1/22/02 9:24:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net writes:>Thanks for the quick reply. Am interested in your progress, and hope to be not far behind you in final completion. Anyone else on list: What are the pros and cons of buying a project vs starting from scratch with new materials ? I will be on somewhat of a budget, thats one reason I am going to build a Piet. Isn't the whole objective to get in the air and fly ?________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:25:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: woodIn a message dated 1/22/02 9:24:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net writes:>Thanks for the quick reply. Am interested in your progress, and hope to be not far behind you in final completion. Anyone else on list: What are the pros and cons of buying a project vs starting from scratch with new materials ? I will be on somewhat of a budget, thats one reason I am going to build a Piet. Isn't the whole objective to get in the air and fly ?________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:25:31 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: clif
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: del magsam
> Re: Pietenpol-List: wood
Original Posted By: Carl Loar
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood>>> > >> >Best deal that I found was Western Aircraft Supply in> >Calgary. With a little digging I can probably even> >find the address. It was about $1500 US + $100> >shipping to Rochester, NY. Let me know if you want me> >to go looking for the address.> >> >Dave> >> >> >>> >>Hello, what a great place for Piet Info. I'm just starting this project> and> >>was wondering what the best source for wood for the Piet would be.> >>Carl Loar> >>> >>> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 13:04:59 -0500
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood>>> > >> >Best deal that I found was Western Aircraft Supply in> >Calgary. With a little digging I can probably even> >find the address. It was about $1500 US + $100> >shipping to Rochester, NY. Let me know if you want me> >to go looking for the address.> >> >Dave> >> >> >>> >>Hello, what a great place for Piet Info. I'm just starting this project> and> >>was wondering what the best source for wood for the Piet would be.> >>Carl Loar> >>> >>> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 13:04:59 -0500
> Pietenpol-List: Landing gear follies
Original Posted By: Rodger & Betty
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear follies> > > hutson > >> >Question of the day,> > Currently I am planning on building a piet> using> >the '33 plans but with the wooden landing gear from> >the F&G manual. My question is this: on the '33> >model, the 2" ash cross piece, rear one, is in a> >different location compared to the F&G manual. > Should> >the cross piece be relocated to match the F&G model> or> >left as is and just place the wooden landing gear,> >rear strut, in the new location?> >As always, any ideas are greatly appreciated.> >> >> >Bill,> >Ellsworth AFB SD> >IHA#7> >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.> >http://im.yahoo.com> >> >> > >> through>> http://www.matronics.com/archives> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists>> Matronics!>> > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.http://im.yahoo.com________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:38:21 -0600
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear follies> > > hutson > >> >Question of the day,> > Currently I am planning on building a piet> using> >the '33 plans but with the wooden landing gear from> >the F&G manual. My question is this: on the '33> >model, the 2" ash cross piece, rear one, is in a> >different location compared to the F&G manual. > Should> >the cross piece be relocated to match the F&G model> or> >left as is and just place the wooden landing gear,> >rear strut, in the new location?> >As always, any ideas are greatly appreciated.> >> >> >Bill,> >Ellsworth AFB SD> >IHA#7> >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.> >http://im.yahoo.com> >> >> > >> through>> http://www.matronics.com/archives> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists>> Matronics!>> > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.http://im.yahoo.com________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:38:21 -0600
>> Pietenpol-List: Landing gear follies
Original Posted By: Rodger & Betty
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear follies>>>>>> hutson >> >>> >Question of the day,>> > Currently I am planning on building a piet>> using>> >the '33 plans but with the wooden landing gear from>> >the F&G manual. My question is this: on the '33>> >model, the 2" ash cross piece, rear one, is in a>> >different location compared to the F&G manual.>> Should>> >the cross piece be relocated to match the F&G model>> or>> >left as is and just place the wooden landing gear,>> >rear strut, in the new location?>> >As always, any ideas are greatly appreciated.>> >>> >>> >Bill,>> >Ellsworth AFB SD>> >IHA#7>> >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.>> >http://im.yahoo.com>> >>> >>>>>>>>> through>>>> http://www.matronics.com/archives>> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists>>>> Matronics!>>>>>>>>>>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.>http://im.yahoo.com>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:15:11 -0600
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear follies>>>>>> hutson >> >>> >Question of the day,>> > Currently I am planning on building a piet>> using>> >the '33 plans but with the wooden landing gear from>> >the F&G manual. My question is this: on the '33>> >model, the 2" ash cross piece, rear one, is in a>> >different location compared to the F&G manual.>> Should>> >the cross piece be relocated to match the F&G model>> or>> >left as is and just place the wooden landing gear,>> >rear strut, in the new location?>> >As always, any ideas are greatly appreciated.>> >>> >>> >Bill,>> >Ellsworth AFB SD>> >IHA#7>> >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.>> >http://im.yahoo.com>> >>> >>>>>>>>> through>>>> http://www.matronics.com/archives>> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists>>>> Matronics!>>>>>>>>>>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.>http://im.yahoo.com>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:15:11 -0600