Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Decision TimePieters,Have been composing this letter in my poor feeble mind for the last 3 weeks. Couldn't make a sound decision for lack of a good reason(s). Having been laid up with viral influenza these few weeks has also given time for serious thought. I want not to bore you with my personal reasons or problems sooooo I'll pass on this section until in the future IF someone would need to know. My decision was kicked into action by Mike Cuy's explanation of FAA rules etc this am 9:38. This raised the curtain on a final act of the FAA Opera. No I'm not going to jump on that "down with those Yankee Beauros" as they have their hands full and my full support, BUT I might take this opportunity to act like the "fat lady and try for that unattainable B#.My decision to sell my project NOW or complete the machine and then offer it for sale is the immediate problem. Mike's letter solved this for me. If I were to complete the project I would be the qualified repairman as it should be. If I were to sell it now to another he could qualify as the repairman. This seems the best possibility. I know that's the way I would want it.The Piet is in the following condition: Aircrft completed ready for cover. Engine running, instruments and controls operating, wings, aelirons,struts and juries, controls etc. properly installed and operating. Since labor day weekend I have begun to give the entire wood surface another coat of spar varnish, not ureathane. If anyone is interested in purchasing my project please contact me directly on E Mail: Isablcorky(at)aol.comThank you for you time and interestClaude M Corbett625 Pierremont RdShreveport, La 71106318 868 3385________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
Original Posted By: "John McNarry"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision TimeJack,I can't support your point. As the project becomes more and more disassembled to apply this last coat(insurance) of varnish it will be very easy for a new builder to support a 51% log and photo book by reassembly AND covering the Piet. Believe me that's a good 51% in itself. Just a thought however.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision TimeJack,I can't support your point. As the project becomes more and more disassembled to apply this last coat(insurance) of varnish it will be very easy for a new builder to support a 51% log and photo book by reassembly AND covering the Piet. Believe me that's a good 51% in itself. Just a thought however.________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Corky, I hate to bust your bubble, but if you sell it before completion,NOBODY gets the repairman certificate. The new buyer wouldn't qualify as hedidn't build at least 51% of it, and you wouldn't because you didn't finishit. At least that's my understanding of the rules. Now you can get on yoursoapbox about the bureaucrats.Sure hate to see you sell it, particularly this close to completion. I'msure you have good reason, so I won't try to talk you out of it.Best wishes,Jack Phillips-----Original Message-----
Corky, I hate to bust your bubble, but if you sell it before completion,NOBODY gets the repairman certificate. The new buyer wouldn't qualify as hedidn't build at least 51% of it, and you wouldn't because you didn't finishit. At least that's my understanding of the rules. Now you can get on yoursoapbox about the bureaucrats.Sure hate to see you sell it, particularly this close to completion. I'msure you have good reason, so I won't try to talk you out of it.Best wishes,Jack Phillips-----Original Message-----
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Corky I respect your decision to sell your project. Heck I've consideredselling mine as I'm so busy with other things it just hangs on the wall ofmy shop. I call it the 1" thick stage. I look to the input from y'all onthis list with hope that I'll find the time to get back at it.Anyway I sure have enjoyed your input to this list. Please hang around andadd your two cents worth now and then.Hope you get completely wellJohn McIn getting colder Canada----- Original Message -----
Corky I respect your decision to sell your project. Heck I've consideredselling mine as I'm so busy with other things it just hangs on the wall ofmy shop. I call it the 1" thick stage. I look to the input from y'all onthis list with hope that I'll find the time to get back at it.Anyway I sure have enjoyed your input to this list. Please hang around andadd your two cents worth now and then.Hope you get completely wellJohn McIn getting colder Canada----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
Original Posted By: Kirk & Laura Huizenga
Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
You don't have to build 5!% to get the repair certificate. You just have tobe recognized as the final builder. Many School Flight planes have a personthat gets the "repairman's' and they might not have done 5% of the actualwork.Check with Earl Lawrence of EAA if you have a question about this.Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, OshkoshEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.orghttp://www.eaa.org for latest flying rules----- Original Message -----
You don't have to build 5!% to get the repair certificate. You just have tobe recognized as the final builder. Many School Flight planes have a personthat gets the "repairman's' and they might not have done 5% of the actualwork.Check with Earl Lawrence of EAA if you have a question about this.Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, OshkoshEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.orghttp://www.eaa.org for latest flying rules----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
Original Posted By: Dmott9(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision TimeIn a message dated 10/16/01 2:28:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Isablcorky(at)aol.com writes:>So sorry to hear you've decided to sell your Piet. I would dearly love to buy it from you. I live in Tenn. so not far from you. After all the sweat and trouble you've been through to get this far, I hate to think of your not finishing it and taking her up. I hope whoever buys it will be kind enough to finish it and bring it back "home" for a visit and let you "test fly" it.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision TimeIn a message dated 10/16/01 2:28:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Isablcorky(at)aol.com writes:>So sorry to hear you've decided to sell your Piet. I would dearly love to buy it from you. I live in Tenn. so not far from you. After all the sweat and trouble you've been through to get this far, I hate to think of your not finishing it and taking her up. I hope whoever buys it will be kind enough to finish it and bring it back "home" for a visit and let you "test fly" it.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Corky--there is one other option
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corky--there is one other optionIn a message dated 10/16/01 3:59:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov writes:>Mike, can a airworthiness certificate be obtained from an airplane bought as parts ? I am guessing as long as its built according to plans and found to be airworthy, why not ? Whats to keep me from buying the "parts" (fuselage, wing, gear, engine mount, engine) and doing the assembly and covering myself ?________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corky--there is one other optionIn a message dated 10/16/01 3:59:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov writes:>Mike, can a airworthiness certificate be obtained from an airplane bought as parts ? I am guessing as long as its built according to plans and found to be airworthy, why not ? Whats to keep me from buying the "parts" (fuselage, wing, gear, engine mount, engine) and doing the assembly and covering myself ?________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Bruce Watkins
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision TimeThanks Walt,I took one step closer today toward your and many other recommendations by calling FAA and ordering my first(naked) inspection in three weeks. Have been pretty sick and I must have come out of it with a little depression which sometimes happens to a person my age. I think I'll put it all to size as time goes by. Funny thing, I've had many e mails like yours and only one who inquired as to the price. He has two sons so I advised him not to consider buying mine as his boys would miss an opportunity of a lifetime in the building process.Thanks againCorky in La________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:01:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision TimeThanks Walt,I took one step closer today toward your and many other recommendations by calling FAA and ordering my first(naked) inspection in three weeks. Have been pretty sick and I must have come out of it with a little depression which sometimes happens to a person my age. I think I'll put it all to size as time goes by. Funny thing, I've had many e mails like yours and only one who inquired as to the price. He has two sons so I advised him not to consider buying mine as his boys would miss an opportunity of a lifetime in the building process.Thanks againCorky in La________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:01:50 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
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Corky,I know people younger than me , in their 40's that spend the weekendswatching the TV, and consider it a good weekend. Then there are people likemy mentor who is in his 80's, actively an A&P, helped me through my firstproject, and now through my Piet up till now, and he's amazing. ( They'rewill be a little blurb on my fuse that thanks him for his efforts,, he hasan EAA membership of #242). He isn't some old fossel that I onlyput up with, he's a wealth of knowledge. He just bought a Cassut raser,rebuilt the engine and will fly it. When I fly off my hours, he will bethe first in the front seat.Don't even think of being that guy in front of the TV.....We all have to keep going till some higher power pulls the plug.walt----- Original Message -----
Corky,I know people younger than me , in their 40's that spend the weekendswatching the TV, and consider it a good weekend. Then there are people likemy mentor who is in his 80's, actively an A&P, helped me through my firstproject, and now through my Piet up till now, and he's amazing. ( They'rewill be a little blurb on my fuse that thanks him for his efforts,, he hasan EAA membership of #242). He isn't some old fossel that I onlyput up with, he's a wealth of knowledge. He just bought a Cassut raser,rebuilt the engine and will fly it. When I fly off my hours, he will bethe first in the front seat.Don't even think of being that guy in front of the TV.....We all have to keep going till some higher power pulls the plug.walt----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Well summed up Walt, I agree.Corky, Building is definitely part of the object. I have had a lot of funenjoyment and just "plane" fun building over the years. In Canada the reason we are given for being allowed to build are Recreationand Education. The recreation part you know, the education part is wellsummed up by a recent posting:"37 year old mind chocked full of 70 year old airplane information notreally even useful for gameshows...." -john hofmann- Just insert your own age Corky, who the heck should care about that butyou? I work with some gents at the Museum in their late eighties and earlynineties that provide me with inspiration. "As young as you act & as old asyou feel"In the words of Richard Feynman "What do you care what other people think?"Get out there building and have fun Corky!John Mc> > Pieters,> > Have been composing this letter in my poor feeble mind for the last 3> weeks.> > Couldn't make a sound decision for lack of a good reason(s). Having been> laid> >> Corky,> Have seen your letters in the last few weeks, and figured I'd reply. In> my opinion ( up north we have a saying..cleaned up it is something likethis> "opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one.)> I've read all the responses about you selling your project, and I went> through the responses to read them all so I wouldn't miss any. Can't seem> to find the reason you're selling, but maybe thats personal business.> I guess my statement is that you seem to be worried about the person whois> buying your project a little too much.> If your project is anything like mine, to go out and work on the Piet,isn't> a chore or a "job". It's alot easier ( and probably cheaper) to buy a> plane than to build it, but that's what people like you and me like to do.> Is the Sport pilot thing still going through? Unless I've missedsomething,> it's still in the works, and soon we can all fly.> As far as I know , a person who has never even flown can still build> and licence a plane. So if we don't know what the FAA future holds, I> would finish the assembly, cover it, paint it the colors you want,> have it inspected, and finally fly it, or get to see it fly.> I know one thing...When I was standing on a rooftop in Elmwood Park NJ on> Sept 11, and saw the World Trade Center fall, and take thousands ofinnocent> people to the ground, it made me put things in proper order.>> My humble vote is to finish the Piet.> walt>>________________________________________________________________________________
Well summed up Walt, I agree.Corky, Building is definitely part of the object. I have had a lot of funenjoyment and just "plane" fun building over the years. In Canada the reason we are given for being allowed to build are Recreationand Education. The recreation part you know, the education part is wellsummed up by a recent posting:"37 year old mind chocked full of 70 year old airplane information notreally even useful for gameshows...." -john hofmann- Just insert your own age Corky, who the heck should care about that butyou? I work with some gents at the Museum in their late eighties and earlynineties that provide me with inspiration. "As young as you act & as old asyou feel"In the words of Richard Feynman "What do you care what other people think?"Get out there building and have fun Corky!John Mc> > Pieters,> > Have been composing this letter in my poor feeble mind for the last 3> weeks.> > Couldn't make a sound decision for lack of a good reason(s). Having been> laid> >> Corky,> Have seen your letters in the last few weeks, and figured I'd reply. In> my opinion ( up north we have a saying..cleaned up it is something likethis> "opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one.)> I've read all the responses about you selling your project, and I went> through the responses to read them all so I wouldn't miss any. Can't seem> to find the reason you're selling, but maybe thats personal business.> I guess my statement is that you seem to be worried about the person whois> buying your project a little too much.> If your project is anything like mine, to go out and work on the Piet,isn't> a chore or a "job". It's alot easier ( and probably cheaper) to buy a> plane than to build it, but that's what people like you and me like to do.> Is the Sport pilot thing still going through? Unless I've missedsomething,> it's still in the works, and soon we can all fly.> As far as I know , a person who has never even flown can still build> and licence a plane. So if we don't know what the FAA future holds, I> would finish the assembly, cover it, paint it the colors you want,> have it inspected, and finally fly it, or get to see it fly.> I know one thing...When I was standing on a rooftop in Elmwood Park NJ on> Sept 11, and saw the World Trade Center fall, and take thousands ofinnocent> people to the ground, it made me put things in proper order.>> My humble vote is to finish the Piet.> walt>>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
Original Posted By: skycarl(at)megsinet.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Time________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:42:04 -0500 (CDT)
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
Original Posted By: jared wilkinson
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Original Posted By: "Gary Meadows"
Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:24 PMSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Timeyou finish that Piet,>So, get to feeling better, >!!!!!!!!!Hey Corky,>We're 2 months into oyster season and I'll wager you haven't gonethrough a sack of them yet. Could be that's why you've had the miseries.Serious now, as soon as you've gotten your second wind, get together withthe rest of your oompaah band for a doseedo, break out a sack of orsters anda cold suds. I gawrentee you'll be right back and start shrinking fabric.I understand the not feeling 100% and not wanting to fool with anything butit WILL PASS. Just getting over the flu myself and lost a month before thatwhile up in the Grand Rapids area. My birds just now getting some paint onit. Had it insured since last June and it's still a month away from flying.Always the optomist I guess.I'm still planning a flight next spring into your area to see the finishedproduct. I'm sure you'll continue to do me proud.Get better---Get busyJoeC N99621 colder every day in NE IL>>________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:24 PMSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Timeyou finish that Piet,>So, get to feeling better, >!!!!!!!!!Hey Corky,>We're 2 months into oyster season and I'll wager you haven't gonethrough a sack of them yet. Could be that's why you've had the miseries.Serious now, as soon as you've gotten your second wind, get together withthe rest of your oompaah band for a doseedo, break out a sack of orsters anda cold suds. I gawrentee you'll be right back and start shrinking fabric.I understand the not feeling 100% and not wanting to fool with anything butit WILL PASS. Just getting over the flu myself and lost a month before thatwhile up in the Grand Rapids area. My birds just now getting some paint onit. Had it insured since last June and it's still a month away from flying.Always the optomist I guess.I'm still planning a flight next spring into your area to see the finishedproduct. I'm sure you'll continue to do me proud.Get better---Get busyJoeC N99621 colder every day in NE IL>>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
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Corky,Unless something has changed recently the FAA only requires one finalinspection after everything is covered and ready to go."Pre Cover" or "progressive" inspections are no longer required orrecommended. Are you calling out Uncle Sam a little early??Mike(Hatz Builder always lurking and learning from you Piet guys!)----- Original Message -----
Corky,Unless something has changed recently the FAA only requires one finalinspection after everything is covered and ready to go."Pre Cover" or "progressive" inspections are no longer required orrecommended. Are you calling out Uncle Sam a little early??Mike(Hatz Builder always lurking and learning from you Piet guys!)----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
Original Posted By: "Mike"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision TimeMike,Last Sept (2000) as I was writing a check to our uncle for the Sep 15th estimate I asked myself why am I to PAY a DAR for services heretofore provided by the gov. Soooooo I call the FAA office in Baton Rouge and ask them the same question. Very warmly, in a nice cordial tone, he said let him check and he would be back with me. That afternoon he called and said he had been given my case and I could expect him to be my inspector and that he desired to give it a precover (naked) inspection as well as a preflight inspection. Now Mike I'll ask you, " would you have begun arguing regulations with the man after he had agreed to inspect your plane?"The way I look at is, the more inspectors the better. None of us or you or him or her knows it all and I'm appreciative if anyone might point out a little boo boo which could alter my timetable with the hereafter.Sooooo, as soon as I get the new engine mount welded I'll call Jim for the naked show in Shreveport. Who knows, it might even draw a crowdCorky in La with the torch in hand but standing on shaky legs.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision TimeMike,Last Sept (2000) as I was writing a check to our uncle for the Sep 15th estimate I asked myself why am I to PAY a DAR for services heretofore provided by the gov. Soooooo I call the FAA office in Baton Rouge and ask them the same question. Very warmly, in a nice cordial tone, he said let him check and he would be back with me. That afternoon he called and said he had been given my case and I could expect him to be my inspector and that he desired to give it a precover (naked) inspection as well as a preflight inspection. Now Mike I'll ask you, " would you have begun arguing regulations with the man after he had agreed to inspect your plane?"The way I look at is, the more inspectors the better. None of us or you or him or her knows it all and I'm appreciative if anyone might point out a little boo boo which could alter my timetable with the hereafter.Sooooo, as soon as I get the new engine mount welded I'll call Jim for the naked show in Shreveport. Who knows, it might even draw a crowdCorky in La with the torch in hand but standing on shaky legs.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision Time
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Well Corky that all makes pretty good sense and is probably the route Iwould take as well.Just had to chime in though, just in case you were in for a surprise, thatis, the guy would show up andsay "what'd ya call me for?? This thing's not ready for inspection"Sounds like you have a good thing going there.Mike----- Original Message -----
Well Corky that all makes pretty good sense and is probably the route Iwould take as well.Just had to chime in though, just in case you were in for a surprise, thatis, the guy would show up andsay "what'd ya call me for?? This thing's not ready for inspection"Sounds like you have a good thing going there.Mike----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Michael Brusilow"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision TimeMike,It may not be ready for inspection BUT I need to have the Fed man tell me so. After talking with him it seems he is most interested in my building log. Since I'm the world's worst record keeper I am beginning to do a lot of imaginary and possibly some fictional writings. Thankfully I have taken lots of construction photographs and have a naked plane to prove it. My tech advisor seems to think we are ready.Corky in La getting ready for the nude act.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decision TimeMike,It may not be ready for inspection BUT I need to have the Fed man tell me so. After talking with him it seems he is most interested in my building log. Since I'm the world's worst record keeper I am beginning to do a lot of imaginary and possibly some fictional writings. Thankfully I have taken lots of construction photographs and have a naked plane to prove it. My tech advisor seems to think we are ready.Corky in La getting ready for the nude act.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Mike
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