Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye
Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: mark boynton
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--CorkyMike and John and anyone else.Would that 68 in be wide enough for the wings plus the little lapCorky in beautiful La where you could fly a Piet today.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:52:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--CorkyMike and John and anyone else.Would that 68 in be wide enough for the wings plus the little lapCorky in beautiful La where you could fly a Piet today.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:52:00 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Re: Pietenpol-List: compass
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
I saw this aviation compass in the Pietenpol at Indian something or other.Last weekend.I have one, so I took it out of the panel and turned it around. It doesntread, but has a 5 prong plug on the back. I presume this is a gyrocompass?The glass has an airplane on it in front. Anybody know what it needs to work? Should I put it in my Piet panel?------------------------Fisherman,It sounds like a Directional Gyro, also called a Heading Indicator or a GyroCompass. It could also be the indicator unit of an ADF (Automatic DirectionFinder - a radio device), or it could be a remote magnetic indicator (RMI).Where did you get it?Whatever, it can be used as a backup to a magnetic compass (assuming you canget it to work and can figure out how to wire it, and you have an electricalsystem to power it), but you still need a plain old magnetic whisky compasssuch as an Airpath or equivalent. I picked up a good working Airpathcompass on eBay for less than $20. Without a magnetic compass to set aDirectional Gyro to, you would have no idea how much it has precessed, andit would give erroneous readings in a matter of hours or minutes, dependingon how good the gyro's bearings are.Have fun. Check out eBay. It's a good source for cheap parts, but you needto know what you're buying.Jack________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:18:06 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass
I saw this aviation compass in the Pietenpol at Indian something or other.Last weekend.I have one, so I took it out of the panel and turned it around. It doesntread, but has a 5 prong plug on the back. I presume this is a gyrocompass?The glass has an airplane on it in front. Anybody know what it needs to work? Should I put it in my Piet panel?------------------------Fisherman,It sounds like a Directional Gyro, also called a Heading Indicator or a GyroCompass. It could also be the indicator unit of an ADF (Automatic DirectionFinder - a radio device), or it could be a remote magnetic indicator (RMI).Where did you get it?Whatever, it can be used as a backup to a magnetic compass (assuming you canget it to work and can figure out how to wire it, and you have an electricalsystem to power it), but you still need a plain old magnetic whisky compasssuch as an Airpath or equivalent. I picked up a good working Airpathcompass on eBay for less than $20. Without a magnetic compass to set aDirectional Gyro to, you would have no idea how much it has precessed, andit would give erroneous readings in a matter of hours or minutes, dependingon how good the gyro's bearings are.Have fun. Check out eBay. It's a good source for cheap parts, but you needto know what you're buying.Jack________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:18:06 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass
Re: Pietenpol-List: compass
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
You probably need the flux gate plus the inverter for power. These partsalone weigh about 3 pounds if the power supple is solid state.Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, OshkoshEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.orgAlways looking for articles for the Experimenter----- Original Message -----
You probably need the flux gate plus the inverter for power. These partsalone weigh about 3 pounds if the power supple is solid state.Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, OshkoshEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.orgAlways looking for articles for the Experimenter----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: compass
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--CorkyJohn, Imeasured from the lower part of nose piece to the 1 in on the unfer side of the trailing edge, 67 inches. Sorry no material for shrinkage. Top of wing of course. Corky________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:27:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--CorkyJohn, Imeasured from the lower part of nose piece to the 1 in on the unfer side of the trailing edge, 67 inches. Sorry no material for shrinkage. Top of wing of course. Corky________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:27:26 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
RE: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
The fabric is glued on and then it is shrunk. Why do you need extra witdthfor shrinkage? We do not shrink it first and then glue it on. Am I notunderstanding something? Sounds to me like a 68 " wide piece does the jobwell enough if you are careful to keep trailing and leading edges of thematerial in a straight line, which is what you strive for anyway.chris bobka-----Original Message-----
The fabric is glued on and then it is shrunk. Why do you need extra witdthfor shrinkage? We do not shrink it first and then glue it on. Am I notunderstanding something? Sounds to me like a 68 " wide piece does the jobwell enough if you are careful to keep trailing and leading edges of thematerial in a straight line, which is what you strive for anyway.chris bobka-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
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Corky,I got the AS&S low priced dacron. 1.8 oz. Listed at $3.10 per yard. 64"wide, but a good straight edge. Was perfect for the 1"overlap at trailingedge, and the 2" on leading. No cutting, and good quality.waltDoing last wing now.----- Original Message -----
Corky,I got the AS&S low priced dacron. 1.8 oz. Listed at $3.10 per yard. 64"wide, but a good straight edge. Was perfect for the 1"overlap at trailingedge, and the 2" on leading. No cutting, and good quality.waltDoing last wing now.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
RE: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Rereading my last comment makes me appear rather testy. I did not mean itthat way. Just trying to use as few words as possible to convey themeaning.Yes, HS-90X was a really good fabric to work with.chris bobka-----Original Message-----
Rereading my last comment makes me appear rather testy. I did not mean itthat way. Just trying to use as few words as possible to convey themeaning.Yes, HS-90X was a really good fabric to work with.chris bobka-----Original Message-----
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye
Re: Pietenpol-List: project status
Original Posted By: "Ted Tuckerman"
Tom, I've been using a random orbit sander on the wing ribs and it leaves a great finish.George AllenHarrisburg, PAGeorgeA(at)PAonline.com(Peitenpol builder)20 ribs done & starting the tail feathers.>I hate those> orbital sanders though, it allways seams to leave some little "swirl"> marks. Guess I'll final sand by hand. One note that you'd think I> Tom Brant> Mpls________________________________________________________________________________
Tom, I've been using a random orbit sander on the wing ribs and it leaves a great finish.George AllenHarrisburg, PAGeorgeA(at)PAonline.com(Peitenpol builder)20 ribs done & starting the tail feathers.>I hate those> orbital sanders though, it allways seams to leave some little "swirl"> marks. Guess I'll final sand by hand. One note that you'd think I> Tom Brant> Mpls________________________________________________________________________________
> RE: Pietenpol-List: compass
Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: Dmott9(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--CorkyIn a message dated 2/20/02 8:41:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov writes:>I read over all the information on this site. There is a WEALTH of information here. Looks like a whole lot of good information here.I saw also they sell slips, or presewn socks for the entire wing. WOuld there be any of them that would fit a Piet ? Hmmm, might make things a little simpler when covering. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--CorkyIn a message dated 2/20/02 8:41:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov writes:>I read over all the information on this site. There is a WEALTH of information here. Looks like a whole lot of good information here.I saw also they sell slips, or presewn socks for the entire wing. WOuld there be any of them that would fit a Piet ? Hmmm, might make things a little simpler when covering. ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft building photos
Original Posted By: "Lou Larsen"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft building photosIn a message dated 2/20/02 9:04:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, cayecaulker(at)justice.com writes:>Ray, I get this message, guess I'll wait an hour! :"Temporarily UnavailableThe Tripod site you are trying to reach has been temporarily suspended due to excessive bandwidth consumption. The site will be available again in approximately 1 hours! "________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft building photosIn a message dated 2/20/02 9:04:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, cayecaulker(at)justice.com writes:>Ray, I get this message, guess I'll wait an hour! :"Temporarily UnavailableThe Tripod site you are trying to reach has been temporarily suspended due to excessive bandwidth consumption. The site will be available again in approximately 1 hours! "________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: clif
Is there any problem using the 2.7 wt. fabric other then a little moreweight?Checking out that page, it's cheaper!! George AllenHarrisburg, PAGeorgeA(at)PAonline.com(Peitenpol builder)>> fabric> from Superflite in 1997 in the wide 72" width, but I just went to their> homepage> and they only show the 1.8 oz stuff in a 67" width ! Of course the> heavier stuff> comes in the 72" width. Anyway----ring their chain if you'dlike---it's> 1-800-323-0611>> They list the 1.8 oz dacron as SF 104 non-cert. at $3.95 per yard.>> http://www.superflite.com/cov.html#fabric You might even pick their> brain as to WHO> does carry the wider stuff. >>>> I read over all the information on this site. There is a WEALTH of> information here. Looks like a whole lot of good information here.> I saw also they sell slips, or presewn socks for the entire wing. WOuldthere> be any of them that would fit a Piet ? Hmmm, might make things a little> simpler when covering.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:00:07 -0800
Is there any problem using the 2.7 wt. fabric other then a little moreweight?Checking out that page, it's cheaper!! George AllenHarrisburg, PAGeorgeA(at)PAonline.com(Peitenpol builder)>> fabric> from Superflite in 1997 in the wide 72" width, but I just went to their> homepage> and they only show the 1.8 oz stuff in a 67" width ! Of course the> heavier stuff> comes in the 72" width. Anyway----ring their chain if you'dlike---it's> 1-800-323-0611>> They list the 1.8 oz dacron as SF 104 non-cert. at $3.95 per yard.>> http://www.superflite.com/cov.html#fabric You might even pick their> brain as to WHO> does carry the wider stuff. >>>> I read over all the information on this site. There is a WEALTH of> information here. Looks like a whole lot of good information here.> I saw also they sell slips, or presewn socks for the entire wing. WOuldthere> be any of them that would fit a Piet ? Hmmm, might make things a little> simpler when covering.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:00:07 -0800
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: clif
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: clif
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--CorkyIn a message dated 2/20/2002 7:01:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca writes:> The calculations I come up with says that> you will only gain 2lbs total wt. but it may cause a problem with a> difference in tension between the two surfaces. How about the weight of the extra drop it will take to fill the weave of the heavier fabric? Is that significant?Cheers, Jim________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:56:06 -0800
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--CorkyIn a message dated 2/20/2002 7:01:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca writes:> The calculations I come up with says that> you will only gain 2lbs total wt. but it may cause a problem with a> difference in tension between the two surfaces. How about the weight of the extra drop it will take to fill the weave of the heavier fabric? Is that significant?Cheers, Jim________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:56:06 -0800
RE: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Dave,The man said that the weights furnished were for the fabric "finished"which, therefore, includes the paint's weight.Chris bobka-----Original Message-----
Dave,The man said that the weights furnished were for the fabric "finished"which, therefore, includes the paint's weight.Chris bobka-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: clif
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: clif
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--CorkyIn a message dated 2/20/2002 8:09:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca writes:> Again, thats two pounds total painted weight. I guess I> wasn't clear in the way I explained it all. No, I probably didn't read it well. Thanks though as it is lighter than I had thought. I was wondering if the advantage of using the 1.7 oz was worth it, but it doesn't look like that will really be a factor unless you put a super rubbed out car like finish and (my opinion) is that doesn't fit a Piet anyway.Thanks again, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--CorkyIn a message dated 2/20/2002 8:09:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca writes:> Again, thats two pounds total painted weight. I guess I> wasn't clear in the way I explained it all. No, I probably didn't read it well. Thanks though as it is lighter than I had thought. I was wondering if the advantage of using the 1.7 oz was worth it, but it doesn't look like that will really be a factor unless you put a super rubbed out car like finish and (my opinion) is that doesn't fit a Piet anyway.Thanks again, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Do not worry about the differing tensions of the differnet weight fabrics.It is insignificant.Chris Bobka-----Original Message-----
Do not worry about the differing tensions of the differnet weight fabrics.It is insignificant.Chris Bobka-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--CorkyIn a message dated 2/20/02 5:52:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com writes:> Is there any problem using the 2.7 wt. fabric other then a little more> weight?> Checking out that page, it's cheaper!!> > George Allen> George,There is no problem using the 2.7 oz covering. It is the equivalent to grade A cotton. I use it on my planes and it is inexpensive. I did try some 1.8 oz on the tail of my Scout.Doug Bryant________________________________________________________________________________Date: 21 Feb 2002 04:30:08 -0800
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--CorkyIn a message dated 2/20/02 5:52:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, GeorgeA(at)PAonline.com writes:> Is there any problem using the 2.7 wt. fabric other then a little more> weight?> Checking out that page, it's cheaper!!> > George Allen> George,There is no problem using the 2.7 oz covering. It is the equivalent to grade A cotton. I use it on my planes and it is inexpensive. I did try some 1.8 oz on the tail of my Scout.Doug Bryant________________________________________________________________________________Date: 21 Feb 2002 04:30:08 -0800
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Original Posted By: "D.Dale Johnson"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fabric--Corky
Re: Pietenpol-List: project status
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye
Thanks Dale. Makes sense now when you think about it.I'll limit my sanding.George AllenHarrisburg, PAGeorgeA(at)PAonline.com(Peitenpol builder)22 ribs down.----- Original Message ----- > > Hi George> The strongest glue joint is a freshly planed wood.> If you sand the wood you get saw dust in the joint and it's not as> strong.> Even if you use air to blow the dust out.> Dale Mpls.________________________________________________________________________________Date: 23 Feb 2002 00:58:36 -0800
Thanks Dale. Makes sense now when you think about it.I'll limit my sanding.George AllenHarrisburg, PAGeorgeA(at)PAonline.com(Peitenpol builder)22 ribs down.----- Original Message ----- > > Hi George> The strongest glue joint is a freshly planed wood.> If you sand the wood you get saw dust in the joint and it's not as> strong.> Even if you use air to blow the dust out.> Dale Mpls.________________________________________________________________________________Date: 23 Feb 2002 00:58:36 -0800
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Aerial
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye
Re: Pietenpol-List: permanent fixed leading edge slats on Pietenpol
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye