Original Posted By: "DJ Vegh"
Hi all, I have a quick question. I appreciate all the knowledge andpositive attitude I see here on the list. I have never read a negativecomment ever, not so in so many other lesser lists. Anyway. I have beenin a hurry all my life, I'm 45, a busy magazine editor by trade. I havewanted to build an Aircamper since I was about 16 years old. I have allthe plans and books and magazine articles. You know the type, can't getenough. I want to build the Piet for the fun of building and the relaxedlocal flying the design can offer. I love wood; built my own logcabin... Anyway, to the question. Can anyone see a reason not to buildthe Piet and then use it to earn my PPL? I have 20 hours of lessons inPiper PA-28 aircraft but lessons came to an end after 9/11 and my workday is very long. (I know excuses are plentiful.) But I would reallyenjoy the building and finishing of such a project and then earn myticket at the local grass strip airport (Candlelight) with it here inNew Milford, CT. Thanks for your comments.Gerry Y.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Pilot training in a Piet?
RE: Pietenpol-List: Pilot training in a Piet?
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
I suppose ther eis no reason you couldn't get some training in with a Piet,but in the end you'll need to take your checkride with a certified aircraft.You'll need to demonstrate the specified practical test maneuvers outlinedby the FAA and some of those maneuvers can't be done in a Piet. Namely, the"Basic Instrument Maneuvers". Most Piets don't have the neededinstrumentation for that.... if they did, I suspect they wouldn't be a"real" PietThat being said, if you can find a CFI willing to, if nothing else, get somedual time on the Piet with you then go for it. It's all knowledge andexperience in the end. You'll just have to go back to the Piper for theride.DJ VeghMesa, AZGN-1 BuilderN74DV________________________________________________________________________________
I suppose ther eis no reason you couldn't get some training in with a Piet,but in the end you'll need to take your checkride with a certified aircraft.You'll need to demonstrate the specified practical test maneuvers outlinedby the FAA and some of those maneuvers can't be done in a Piet. Namely, the"Basic Instrument Maneuvers". Most Piets don't have the neededinstrumentation for that.... if they did, I suspect they wouldn't be a"real" PietThat being said, if you can find a CFI willing to, if nothing else, get somedual time on the Piet with you then go for it. It's all knowledge andexperience in the end. You'll just have to go back to the Piper for theride.DJ VeghMesa, AZGN-1 BuilderN74DV________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. cooling eyebrows & Wag Aero Junk
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Mike you don't still have the patterns you used for your eyebrows, do you?I'm approaching that stage pretty soon.Jack -----Original Message-----
Mike you don't still have the patterns you used for your eyebrows, do you?I'm approaching that stage pretty soon.Jack -----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. cooling eyebrows & Wag Aero Junk
Original Posted By: Jack Phillips [mailto:jackphillips(at)earthlink.net]
Mike, I would be interested in getting a copy of your eyebrow patterns too,if you still have them. There might actually be quite a bit of interest.Gene Hubbard-----Original Message-----
Mike, I would be interested in getting a copy of your eyebrow patterns too,if you still have them. There might actually be quite a bit of interest.Gene Hubbard-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pilot training in a Piet?
Original Posted By: "Robert Haines"
Yes..... the instrumentation is the same as in a J-3, Aeronca, etc... andyes you can train in one... but as for testing, I guess if it comes down toit... legall you could. But, how would you demonstrate recovery from anunnusual attitude in instrument conditions?? I suppose you could use yourcompass, TC,airspeed and altimeter and just act as if you had a partialpanel also, unless your Piet had lights and was certified for night flying,you'd have a "day only" restriction on your ticket. ......Some of theflight schools in the area here in Phx have J-3's and Champs and will letyou train in one but will not let you take the ride in them.In the end.... i guess it's up to the inspector.DJ Vegh>> I don't want to start an argument, but isn't the instrumentation in a> Piet the same as in a J-3, or Aeronca, or a similarly vintage aircraft?>> Can't you train/test in those aircraft anymore?________________________________________________________________________________
Yes..... the instrumentation is the same as in a J-3, Aeronca, etc... andyes you can train in one... but as for testing, I guess if it comes down toit... legall you could. But, how would you demonstrate recovery from anunnusual attitude in instrument conditions?? I suppose you could use yourcompass, TC,airspeed and altimeter and just act as if you had a partialpanel also, unless your Piet had lights and was certified for night flying,you'd have a "day only" restriction on your ticket. ......Some of theflight schools in the area here in Phx have J-3's and Champs and will letyou train in one but will not let you take the ride in them.In the end.... i guess it's up to the inspector.DJ Vegh>> I don't want to start an argument, but isn't the instrumentation in a> Piet the same as in a J-3, or Aeronca, or a similarly vintage aircraft?>> Can't you train/test in those aircraft anymore?________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Rookies confusion |GN-1 vs Pietenpol
Original Posted By: Larry Neal
If you haven't paying attention, here are a couple of questions that getthis group going...1. Is a GN-1 a Pietenpol?2. What's the best engine?3. What kind of glue is the best?4. Should I use hardware store hardware?5. Are crawfish actually a food?Robert the Yankee________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:38:42 -0600
If you haven't paying attention, here are a couple of questions that getthis group going...1. Is a GN-1 a Pietenpol?2. What's the best engine?3. What kind of glue is the best?4. Should I use hardware store hardware?5. Are crawfish actually a food?Robert the Yankee________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:38:42 -0600
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pilot training in a Piet?
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye
EAA: Your Inquiry
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye [mailto:cayecaulker(at)justice.com]
Dear RayThanks for your note.Regretfully, these books are no longer available. We are looking at thepossibility of scanning in the original copies we have and publishing themon the web where they will be accessible to members. Keep watching the website for more details on this.If you need specific information from one of the books, our Library would beable to supply photocopies of same for a fee. you can contact them at920-426-4848Regarding your old EAA number... In the process of upgrading to newtechnologies over the years, EAA went thru several membership systemsranging from a simple card file system in the early days to rather primitive(as compared to today) computer systems. In the conversion process, manynumbers of expired members were not transferred from the old systems and arenot accessible... sorry.Mark ForssAviation Information Specialist&EAA SportAir WorkshopsAviation Information ServicesEAA Aviation Center, PO Box 3086 Oshkosh, WI 54903Tel 920-426-6588 Fax 920-426-6560 Visit us at: www.eaa.orgJoin the Leader in Recreational Aviation www.eaa.org/memberbenefits.htmlThe information provided is a benefit of EAA membership.To help ensure this service continues please join EAA or renew your EAA membership by calling 1-800-843-3612.-----Original Message-----
Dear RayThanks for your note.Regretfully, these books are no longer available. We are looking at thepossibility of scanning in the original copies we have and publishing themon the web where they will be accessible to members. Keep watching the website for more details on this.If you need specific information from one of the books, our Library would beable to supply photocopies of same for a fee. you can contact them at920-426-4848Regarding your old EAA number... In the process of upgrading to newtechnologies over the years, EAA went thru several membership systemsranging from a simple card file system in the early days to rather primitive(as compared to today) computer systems. In the conversion process, manynumbers of expired members were not transferred from the old systems and arenot accessible... sorry.Mark ForssAviation Information Specialist&EAA SportAir WorkshopsAviation Information ServicesEAA Aviation Center, PO Box 3086 Oshkosh, WI 54903Tel 920-426-6588 Fax 920-426-6560 Visit us at: www.eaa.orgJoin the Leader in Recreational Aviation www.eaa.org/memberbenefits.htmlThe information provided is a benefit of EAA membership.To help ensure this service continues please join EAA or renew your EAA membership by calling 1-800-843-3612.-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Rookies confusion |GN-1 vs Pietenpol
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye
> Pietenpol-List: How To Booklets
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye
Re: Pietenpol-List: Rookies confusion |GN-1 vs Pietenpol
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rookies confusion |GN-1 vs PietenpolIn a message dated 2/27/02 10:41:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, llneal2(at)earthlink.net writes:> I'll add a few though...> > 6. How to make a built-up spar?> 7. Where is Corky going with all that gas?> 8. Why are the latest engines always - more reliable / more powerful > / cost less ?> 9 Will Ray's inspector simply hand him a book of matches?> > Larry
> (Flame suit on and securely strapped in.)> > > Robert Haines wrote:> > robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>> >> >If you haven't paying attention, here are a couple of questions that get> >this group going...> >> >1. Is a GN-1 a Pietenpol?> >2. What's the best engine?> >3. What kind of glue is the best?> >4. Should I use hardware store hardware?> >Here is some information based on my experiences.SparsBHP built the spars for the last two airplanes by scarfing 3/4 square sticks together and then laminating the long sticks together in a 29 foot gluing/clamping fixture. I saw the spar in the Corvair aircraft in the museum at Oshkosh; nice spar. I have considered building spars like this many times, but it always seems to me to require too many manhours, so I use solid boards. GN-1The GN-1 was designed by John Grega using many Cub parts. It is a heavy airplane. No two parts will interchange with a Piet to my review of the plans. It is not a Piet. It is similar to a Piet in stand off appearance and is a fine airplane, but different.EngineHard to say which is the best engine for the Piet. To me the Ford and the Corvair are quite good and are much less expensive than an aircraft engine, which is part of the reason these car engines were modified for use in this airplane. The engine that best suits the builder is the correct engine. GlueT-88 is very well proven and easy to work. There are, however, many good choices. HardwareAircraft hardware is the best choice.Doug Bryant________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rookies confusion |GN-1 vs PietenpolIn a message dated 2/27/02 10:41:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, llneal2(at)earthlink.net writes:> I'll add a few though...> > 6. How to make a built-up spar?> 7. Where is Corky going with all that gas?> 8. Why are the latest engines always - more reliable / more powerful > / cost less ?> 9 Will Ray's inspector simply hand him a book of matches?> > Larry
> (Flame suit on and securely strapped in.)> > > Robert Haines wrote:> > robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>> >> >If you haven't paying attention, here are a couple of questions that get> >this group going...> >> >1. Is a GN-1 a Pietenpol?> >2. What's the best engine?> >3. What kind of glue is the best?> >4. Should I use hardware store hardware?> >Here is some information based on my experiences.SparsBHP built the spars for the last two airplanes by scarfing 3/4 square sticks together and then laminating the long sticks together in a 29 foot gluing/clamping fixture. I saw the spar in the Corvair aircraft in the museum at Oshkosh; nice spar. I have considered building spars like this many times, but it always seems to me to require too many manhours, so I use solid boards. GN-1The GN-1 was designed by John Grega using many Cub parts. It is a heavy airplane. No two parts will interchange with a Piet to my review of the plans. It is not a Piet. It is similar to a Piet in stand off appearance and is a fine airplane, but different.EngineHard to say which is the best engine for the Piet. To me the Ford and the Corvair are quite good and are much less expensive than an aircraft engine, which is part of the reason these car engines were modified for use in this airplane. The engine that best suits the builder is the correct engine. GlueT-88 is very well proven and easy to work. There are, however, many good choices. HardwareAircraft hardware is the best choice.Doug Bryant________________________________________________________________________________RE: Pietenpol-List: Pilot training in a Piet?
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Yes indeed. The night part of a private ticket is a "training only" event.The examiner will review the logbook to see the private requirements perPart 61 are met. When he notices that the night part of the training ismissing (if he does) then volunteer that you want day only restriction(means you can fly from an hour before sunrise to an hour after sunset - navlights and the anticollision light are needed sunset to sunrise so don't getconfused). When and if you want to remove the day only restriction on yourprivate certificate, you merely have to do the night training with a CFI andthen take the logbook with the training signed off by the CFI to the Fedsand they will help you through an application and issue you an unrestrictedtemporary permit and the permanent certificate will come half a year later(or so it seems).Chris Bobka CFI-----Original Message-----
Yes indeed. The night part of a private ticket is a "training only" event.The examiner will review the logbook to see the private requirements perPart 61 are met. When he notices that the night part of the training ismissing (if he does) then volunteer that you want day only restriction(means you can fly from an hour before sunrise to an hour after sunset - navlights and the anticollision light are needed sunset to sunrise so don't getconfused). When and if you want to remove the day only restriction on yourprivate certificate, you merely have to do the night training with a CFI andthen take the logbook with the training signed off by the CFI to the Fedsand they will help you through an application and issue you an unrestrictedtemporary permit and the permanent certificate will come half a year later(or so it seems).Chris Bobka CFI-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: How To Booklets
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Fisherman<In a few more months, I will be having the book sale and many of thesetitles, in their updated form will be available for a price better than whatyou will pay anywhere else.Chris Bobka-----Original Message-----
Fisherman<In a few more months, I will be having the book sale and many of thesetitles, in their updated form will be available for a price better than whatyou will pay anywhere else.Chris Bobka-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Rookies confusion |GN-1 vs Pietenpol
Original Posted By: Larry Neal
Pietenpol-List: Cont. cooling eyebrows & Wag Aero Junk
Original Posted By: "Richard L. Dery"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pilot training in a Piet?
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye
Pietenpol-List: How To Booklets
Original Posted By: Larry Neal
How To Booklets
Original Posted By: "Richard L. Dery"