Original Posted By: rhartwig11(at)juno.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Keep your fingers crossedWalt,I forgot to mention that Isabelle made me take a couple of be nice pills the day of the DAR. It workedCorky________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 07:10:28 -0500Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/18/02
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Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/18/02Lets see.....Metal fittings,,what I learned the hard way. I tryed aboutevery method of cutting. I now use an old table saw with one of thosemetal cutting composite cutters like they use on masonry at home and aband saw at work for more intricate stuff. I've heard it said that thecomposite blades create too much heat, just let it cool slowly.ACS will custom cut strips not listed in their catologe for a cuttingfee.Always bend 4130 across the grain with a radious. Bingelis lists theradiouses (sp? )I bend in a vice with the metal between two pieces of angle iron withthe corners ground to the radious desired. Square the work piece to theangle iron before bending and use a block of wood between the hammer andthe piece. Buy the good drill bits and always start with a center punchand a pilot hole. I usually pilot with an 1/8" drill. Scrutinize the plans beforedrilling holes in fittings. For instance only two of the 8 tailwiretangs are drilled as shown in theplans. They say not to braze 4130. Now the thing that gave me thebiggest fit. aligning the bolt holes perfectly on a steel wood steelsandwich, School of hard knocks here. And I'm sure there are other maybebetter ways to do it ( I'm leaving myself wide open here). I drill theholes in one fitting only. Then using the fitting as a guide I drillshallow pilot holes in the wood. next useing a 12" long drill bitfrom Home Depot and a 6" combination square I drill the holes in thewood as square as posible. Then I clamp the blank metal fitting to theother side exactly where i want it. then using a drill bit the samesize as the holes I drill just enough to put a mark on the inside of theblank fitting being careful not to enlarge the holes in the wood. thentake the blank off and drill the holes on the marks. Viola a perfectalignment every time. Hope you can follow all that.This is assuming ofcourse that you can't get the whole mess in the drill press. There aremuch more experienced builders on the list who may take this kind ofstuff for granted but I struggled with it in the beinning so maybe itwill help those who are where I was 2 1/2 years ago. Ed Grentzer________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/18/02Lets see.....Metal fittings,,what I learned the hard way. I tryed aboutevery method of cutting. I now use an old table saw with one of thosemetal cutting composite cutters like they use on masonry at home and aband saw at work for more intricate stuff. I've heard it said that thecomposite blades create too much heat, just let it cool slowly.ACS will custom cut strips not listed in their catologe for a cuttingfee.Always bend 4130 across the grain with a radious. Bingelis lists theradiouses (sp? )I bend in a vice with the metal between two pieces of angle iron withthe corners ground to the radious desired. Square the work piece to theangle iron before bending and use a block of wood between the hammer andthe piece. Buy the good drill bits and always start with a center punchand a pilot hole. I usually pilot with an 1/8" drill. Scrutinize the plans beforedrilling holes in fittings. For instance only two of the 8 tailwiretangs are drilled as shown in theplans. They say not to braze 4130. Now the thing that gave me thebiggest fit. aligning the bolt holes perfectly on a steel wood steelsandwich, School of hard knocks here. And I'm sure there are other maybebetter ways to do it ( I'm leaving myself wide open here). I drill theholes in one fitting only. Then using the fitting as a guide I drillshallow pilot holes in the wood. next useing a 12" long drill bitfrom Home Depot and a 6" combination square I drill the holes in thewood as square as posible. Then I clamp the blank metal fitting to theother side exactly where i want it. then using a drill bit the samesize as the holes I drill just enough to put a mark on the inside of theblank fitting being careful not to enlarge the holes in the wood. thentake the blank off and drill the holes on the marks. Viola a perfectalignment every time. Hope you can follow all that.This is assuming ofcourse that you can't get the whole mess in the drill press. There aremuch more experienced builders on the list who may take this kind ofstuff for granted but I struggled with it in the beinning so maybe itwill help those who are where I was 2 1/2 years ago. Ed Grentzer________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: flyboy_120(at)webtv.net (Ed G.)
Ed, the plural of radius is radii. But nice try.The best way to drill holes if you have a drill press is to use the Black &Decker Bullet Bits. They cut like a flycutter or an end mill and you canget them in increments of 1/64 for excellent hole to shank clearance. Theyalso cut a true hole whereas the old drill bit will always cut out of round.Go to Home Depot (unless you live in Washington D.C.), get one, and try one.You will love them.chris>Always bend 4130 across the grain with a radious. Bingelis lists theradiouses (sp? )> I usually pilot with an 1/8" drill.________________________________________________________________________________
Ed, the plural of radius is radii. But nice try.The best way to drill holes if you have a drill press is to use the Black &Decker Bullet Bits. They cut like a flycutter or an end mill and you canget them in increments of 1/64 for excellent hole to shank clearance. Theyalso cut a true hole whereas the old drill bit will always cut out of round.Go to Home Depot (unless you live in Washington D.C.), get one, and try one.You will love them.chris>Always bend 4130 across the grain with a radious. Bingelis lists theradiouses (sp? )> I usually pilot with an 1/8" drill.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/18/02I hate to see no messages on the net! The Fuse is nearly done: I was going to build a glove-box back of the rear seat ala Mike Cuy, but had only one piece of plywood to do it with. But I needed a bulkhead at the rear so things would not fall through, so I cut my only remaining plywood, and it was in the wrong direction. Oh Woe. I'm looking for a scale to weigh the Fuse, it is almost ready; the turtledeck is there but not glued. I'll post the weight as soon as I can. I've used Fir and Basswood exclusively, so it will be interesting to compare with your Spruce weights.I made up an Elevator Horn, just for check out. It seems to me that it would be a lot better to make up a U-channel and weld it into the horn, rather than trying to fold out the metal as shown in the plans. The U-channel could provide a weather-tight fitting which would not allow water to accummulate at the bottom of the Horn.Carl Lekven, Compton Airport, Los Angeles, CA________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/18/02I hate to see no messages on the net! The Fuse is nearly done: I was going to build a glove-box back of the rear seat ala Mike Cuy, but had only one piece of plywood to do it with. But I needed a bulkhead at the rear so things would not fall through, so I cut my only remaining plywood, and it was in the wrong direction. Oh Woe. I'm looking for a scale to weigh the Fuse, it is almost ready; the turtledeck is there but not glued. I'll post the weight as soon as I can. I've used Fir and Basswood exclusively, so it will be interesting to compare with your Spruce weights.I made up an Elevator Horn, just for check out. It seems to me that it would be a lot better to make up a U-channel and weld it into the horn, rather than trying to fold out the metal as shown in the plans. The U-channel could provide a weather-tight fitting which would not allow water to accummulate at the bottom of the Horn.Carl Lekven, Compton Airport, Los Angeles, CA________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/18/02Carl,Failed to mention that I bought a lugged lock from a juke -pin ball operator and installed it on the seat back at the top. I can lock the entire back with the box.Corky________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/18/02Carl,Failed to mention that I bought a lugged lock from a juke -pin ball operator and installed it on the seat back at the top. I can lock the entire back with the box.Corky________________________________________________________________________________