Original Posted By: "Wayne McIntosh"
Check it outhttp://photos.yahoo.com/bc/joepiet/lst?&.dir/&.srcph&.begin1&.viewl&.order&.donehttp%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/joepiet/lst%3f%26.dir/%26.srcph%26.viewl look for the 141 series in the pics on top.waltNX140DL(north N.J.)________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: My Piet flying pics
Re: Pietenpol-List: welding
Original Posted By: "Richard Navratril"
Richard, I have been practiceing welding aluminum with an acetelene torch. Theadvice others have given about contacting the Tin Man and edge welding seemto be good advice. I have not gotten to the point that I would weld a fueltank yet but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I use a plain oldHarris torch and Froney Alumaflux that I got at the local farm supply store.I wire brush the aluminum with a stainless steel brush (sandpaper probablywould work) heat the rod and dip it in the flux and when I heat the aluminumI bring the rod near and melt the flux on to the aluminum. The tapping withthe rod to see if the aluminum is melting helps, it goes fast and is noteasy but I can see myself getting better every time I try.Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN----- Original Message -----
Richard, I have been practiceing welding aluminum with an acetelene torch. Theadvice others have given about contacting the Tin Man and edge welding seemto be good advice. I have not gotten to the point that I would weld a fueltank yet but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I use a plain oldHarris torch and Froney Alumaflux that I got at the local farm supply store.I wire brush the aluminum with a stainless steel brush (sandpaper probablywould work) heat the rod and dip it in the flux and when I heat the aluminumI bring the rod near and melt the flux on to the aluminum. The tapping withthe rod to see if the aluminum is melting helps, it goes fast and is noteasy but I can see myself getting better every time I try.Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Landings
Original Posted By: "John Dilatush"
John,That is exactly how I have to land my GN-1 without power at sea level. You"aim" at the ground and keep the speed at 65 or above. Then, about 6 inchesoff the ground you flare quickly and there you are rolling along on allthree wheels and you didn't even feel the ground. A little power on thefinal approach gives a more traditional flare but uses up runway. Keep upthe good flying.Ted BrousseauNaples, FL----- Original Message -----
John,That is exactly how I have to land my GN-1 without power at sea level. You"aim" at the ground and keep the speed at 65 or above. Then, about 6 inchesoff the ground you flare quickly and there you are rolling along on allthree wheels and you didn't even feel the ground. A little power on thefinal approach gives a more traditional flare but uses up runway. Keep upthe good flying.Ted BrousseauNaples, FL----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: I may be crazy!!!!
Original Posted By: Walter Allen
Walt - if that 1600 cc Ford is the cross-flow (intake on one side, exhauston the other), it is the same as used in the Formula Ford race cars.Blueprinted and dry sumped, it produces 112-115 HP, but at 6.500 rpm.You'll need to reduce that by at least 50% for prop speed. BTW, with theCosworth head (16V, DOHC) and a pair of dual-throat Webers, you can getabout 250 HP at 10,500 rpm - just need a bit more work on the bottom end.Great engines, very reliable.On the other things - the Piet tapers also, so no problem there. You mayneed to enlarge the c/s proportionately, to keep the cabane struts at adecent angle to allow entry/exit.As always, you will need to do a weight and balance to figure where the winggoes. You can do it very close by doing a W/B on the fuselage without thewing, and do the wing separately. Simple math will then tell you how tocombine the two to get the CG at the proper 28-32% chord.Good luck with this project, and keep us posted!Craig----- Original Message -----
Walt - if that 1600 cc Ford is the cross-flow (intake on one side, exhauston the other), it is the same as used in the Formula Ford race cars.Blueprinted and dry sumped, it produces 112-115 HP, but at 6.500 rpm.You'll need to reduce that by at least 50% for prop speed. BTW, with theCosworth head (16V, DOHC) and a pair of dual-throat Webers, you can getabout 250 HP at 10,500 rpm - just need a bit more work on the bottom end.Great engines, very reliable.On the other things - the Piet tapers also, so no problem there. You mayneed to enlarge the c/s proportionately, to keep the cabane struts at adecent angle to allow entry/exit.As always, you will need to do a weight and balance to figure where the winggoes. You can do it very close by doing a W/B on the fuselage without thewing, and do the wing separately. Simple math will then tell you how tocombine the two to get the CG at the proper 28-32% chord.Good luck with this project, and keep us posted!Craig----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Landings
Original Posted By: "Gadd, Skip"
John,I'm amazed you are operating from an airport nearly 8000 " asl with a Pietenpol. You must be the loftiest Piet driver around. Weare at about 2400 ' asl here in central Alberta, Canada. I have aContinental C 85 engine and a 72" dia. x 43" pitch custom woodpropeller made by Colin Walker (in British Columbia). It's a goodcombination, but I'd hate to have to operate from your airport!You are right about power-off approaches being steep with littlefloating after the flare. It is sound practice to approach on the fastside with these draggy airplanes because the excess speed isdissipated in a hurry. When loaded, my Piet doesn't float very farbefore it settles into a three-point landing. This is why I normallyuse a touch of power when loaded to flatten the approach andease it onto the ground, with either three-point or wheel landings.Power-off, one can almost dive at the spot on the runway wherehe wishes to touch down.I have just read the note from Ted saying his GN-1 acts the same as your Pietenpol---even at sea level. I'm between the two of youregarding elevation and all four different Piets I have flown behavedthe same way. Graham Hansen________________________________________________________________________________
John,I'm amazed you are operating from an airport nearly 8000 " asl with a Pietenpol. You must be the loftiest Piet driver around. Weare at about 2400 ' asl here in central Alberta, Canada. I have aContinental C 85 engine and a 72" dia. x 43" pitch custom woodpropeller made by Colin Walker (in British Columbia). It's a goodcombination, but I'd hate to have to operate from your airport!You are right about power-off approaches being steep with littlefloating after the flare. It is sound practice to approach on the fastside with these draggy airplanes because the excess speed isdissipated in a hurry. When loaded, my Piet doesn't float very farbefore it settles into a three-point landing. This is why I normallyuse a touch of power when loaded to flatten the approach andease it onto the ground, with either three-point or wheel landings.Power-off, one can almost dive at the spot on the runway wherehe wishes to touch down.I have just read the note from Ted saying his GN-1 acts the same as your Pietenpol---even at sea level. I'm between the two of youregarding elevation and all four different Piets I have flown behavedthe same way. Graham Hansen________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: My Piet flying pics
Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Walt, Finally got to check out your piet pics. The plane turned outbeautiful. It looks great in the air.I'm taking mine out to the airport Sunday morning ( nerves on edge aboutthat).Looks like just in time to get snowed in the hanger.BTW, how much taxi time did you have before the inspection?Any other preinspection info you can give me that hasn't been posted wouldbe appreciated.You can email me direct at skycarl(at)megsinet.netThanks,Carl----- Original Message -----
Walt, Finally got to check out your piet pics. The plane turned outbeautiful. It looks great in the air.I'm taking mine out to the airport Sunday morning ( nerves on edge aboutthat).Looks like just in time to get snowed in the hanger.BTW, how much taxi time did you have before the inspection?Any other preinspection info you can give me that hasn't been posted wouldbe appreciated.You can email me direct at skycarl(at)megsinet.netThanks,Carl----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: welding
Original Posted By: ZigoDan(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: weldingAre you looking for a fuselage tank, or wing tank?If you need a fuse tank I might can help.Dan________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: weldingAre you looking for a fuselage tank, or wing tank?If you need a fuse tank I might can help.Dan________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: My Piet flying pics
Original Posted By: "Carl Loar"
Carl,Thanks.Speaking of snow, what state are you in?Actually I had no taxi time on it. During the inspection I was informedthat one hour of engine time had to be logged as part of passing, so by thetime the inspector came back with all the paperwork and the final glance,had the hour.Put off getting my medical till a few days before the Airworthiness Cert.came, and many had told me that if you taxi fast , you will be flying. so Iopted to wait for the piece of paper, till I ever moved it.I wasn't disappointed!!walt----- Original Message -----
Carl,Thanks.Speaking of snow, what state are you in?Actually I had no taxi time on it. During the inspection I was informedthat one hour of engine time had to be logged as part of passing, so by thetime the inspector came back with all the paperwork and the final glance,had the hour.Put off getting my medical till a few days before the Airworthiness Cert.came, and many had told me that if you taxi fast , you will be flying. so Iopted to wait for the piece of paper, till I ever moved it.I wasn't disappointed!!walt----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Matt Dralle