Original Posted By: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
About 20 miles from our airport is Morristown which many corperate jets fly into.Many summer evenings we are out at the field flying and bull crapping, whena jet comes thru , directly overhead, at less than 2000 feet, and he's steppingright along I guess about 200MPH. ( I don't know,,,but it's fast)I realize that when we're in VFR everyone's in VFR, but are we at the mercy ofthat pilot's ability to see my antique wire strung butt, or do they have RADARor some other form of anti-collision systems?waltNX140DL(north N.J.)don't want to be a bug on a Boeing________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: Les Schubert
Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: "walter evans"
not sure about all corporate jets, but I know that the Citation Excel my dadflies has TCAS. Tells him where the traffic is. If the traffic gets tooclose he gets a "Traffic Resolution" (or called something like that)warning. The resolution warning tells him what to do.. climb, descent, etc.FAR's require him to comply with the resolution warning.DJ VeghN74DVwww.raptoronline.comMesa, AZ----- Original Message -----
not sure about all corporate jets, but I know that the Citation Excel my dadflies has TCAS. Tells him where the traffic is. If the traffic gets tooclose he gets a "Traffic Resolution" (or called something like that)warning. The resolution warning tells him what to do.. climb, descent, etc.FAR's require him to comply with the resolution warning.DJ VeghN74DVwww.raptoronline.comMesa, AZ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Good point Mark,I keep forgetting that most of you don't live/fly within a 30nm radius ofClass B like I do. I'm used to every aircraft that has electric having amode C xpnder.I stand a bit corrected.... the TCAS in my dad's Citation wouldn't see a nonxpnder equipped aircraft.DJ VeghN74DVwww.raptoronline.comMesa, AZ----- Original Message ----- message posted by: mark deacon Any electronic collision avoidance> they would have on board is dependent on "both"> aircraft being equipped with a transponder. Not> exactly standard equipment on a Piet.This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by HalfPrice Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more informationon an anti-virus email solution, visit .________________________________________________________________________________
Good point Mark,I keep forgetting that most of you don't live/fly within a 30nm radius ofClass B like I do. I'm used to every aircraft that has electric having amode C xpnder.I stand a bit corrected.... the TCAS in my dad's Citation wouldn't see a nonxpnder equipped aircraft.DJ VeghN74DVwww.raptoronline.comMesa, AZ----- Original Message ----- message posted by: mark deacon Any electronic collision avoidance> they would have on board is dependent on "both"> aircraft being equipped with a transponder. Not> exactly standard equipment on a Piet.This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by HalfPrice Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more informationon an anti-virus email solution, visit .________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: "DJ Vegh"
C'mon guys,,,I'm getting nervous!!walt----- Original Message -----
C'mon guys,,,I'm getting nervous!!walt----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: Mike
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
> Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: Les Schubert
Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Walt,Be nervous. It is very good for your health. I fly out of what is a "jetport" for most of the year. Not a problem. I found they never fly below500' agl. That's where I stay. Snug as a bug. I found out a long time agothat those radio towers come up a lot slower than those jets.
And thetowers are always guaranteed to come at you only from straight ahead.TedNaples FL----- Original Message -----
Walt,Be nervous. It is very good for your health. I fly out of what is a "jetport" for most of the year. Not a problem. I found they never fly below500' agl. That's where I stay. Snug as a bug. I found out a long time agothat those radio towers come up a lot slower than those jets.
And thetowers are always guaranteed to come at you only from straight ahead.TedNaples FL----- Original Message -----Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: "Ted Brousseau"
Hey AllIt is very difficult to see slow moving traffic when coming down fromaltitude and I'm not talking about jets even. There is a a lot going on inlanding procedures even in a light twin. Don't ever hesitate to have aconversation with a airline plane when he calls 10 miles out. Make surethey have a very clear picture of where you are and if you know of others inthe area include that too. A corporate pilot will avoid you if youcommunicate. When he is on 3 mi. final it's too late. If you can, suggesthow he can work into the pattern.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Hey AllIt is very difficult to see slow moving traffic when coming down fromaltitude and I'm not talking about jets even. There is a a lot going on inlanding procedures even in a light twin. Don't ever hesitate to have aconversation with a airline plane when he calls 10 miles out. Make surethey have a very clear picture of where you are and if you know of others inthe area include that too. A corporate pilot will avoid you if youcommunicate. When he is on 3 mi. final it's too late. If you can, suggesthow he can work into the pattern.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
> > Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: clif
RE: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Out here on the prairie, I'm not so concerned with corporate jet traffic butwith the crop dusters that fly at my altitude. Small battery powered strobesare available for marking agricultural equipment on roadways and are easy tofasten on top of a wing. Not FAA approved but makes us a whole lot morevisible. Keep your head on a swivel!John-----Original Message-----
Out here on the prairie, I'm not so concerned with corporate jet traffic butwith the crop dusters that fly at my altitude. Small battery powered strobesare available for marking agricultural equipment on roadways and are easy tofasten on top of a wing. Not FAA approved but makes us a whole lot morevisible. Keep your head on a swivel!John-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: TomTravis(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?Walt,All airliners and most corporate aircraft have Traffic Collision and Avoidance Systems (TCAS) on board. These systems only "see" airplanes that are transponder equipped and get resolution alerts from those with at least a Mode C transponder (Altitude reporting). Having spent over 35 years as an airline pilot and 18 of those years as a check airman I can tell you airline crews typically spend very little time looking outside. That drove me nuts. I'm now a corporate pilot and my experience has been that they (we) are even worse than airline crews about keeping a good traffic watch. I just got in from a trip tonight and my copilot had his head buried inside the cockpit almost the whole time. I have to cut him a little slack because he's brand new and was just along for the experience and was totally lost.The point is corporate and airline crews have the tools to detect transponder equipped airplanes but don't expect them to be looking outside much. We're on our own in our Piets. Actually I feel pretty safe in mine right now as long as it doesn't fall off the sawhorses in the garage.The suggestions to stay low and keep a sharp lookout are the best advice I've seen. Hope this helps. Tom________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?Walt,All airliners and most corporate aircraft have Traffic Collision and Avoidance Systems (TCAS) on board. These systems only "see" airplanes that are transponder equipped and get resolution alerts from those with at least a Mode C transponder (Altitude reporting). Having spent over 35 years as an airline pilot and 18 of those years as a check airman I can tell you airline crews typically spend very little time looking outside. That drove me nuts. I'm now a corporate pilot and my experience has been that they (we) are even worse than airline crews about keeping a good traffic watch. I just got in from a trip tonight and my copilot had his head buried inside the cockpit almost the whole time. I have to cut him a little slack because he's brand new and was just along for the experience and was totally lost.The point is corporate and airline crews have the tools to detect transponder equipped airplanes but don't expect them to be looking outside much. We're on our own in our Piets. Actually I feel pretty safe in mine right now as long as it doesn't fall off the sawhorses in the garage.The suggestions to stay low and keep a sharp lookout are the best advice I've seen. Hope this helps. Tom________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: COZYPILOT(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?Walt,P.S. I fly in and out of Teterboro a lot and will be looking for you. Tom ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?Walt,P.S. I fly in and out of Teterboro a lot and will be looking for you. Tom ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?They can only see you if you have a mode C transponder. Scary Huh!!!!!!!!!!!!________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:36:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?They can only see you if you have a mode C transponder. Scary Huh!!!!!!!!!!!!________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:36:52 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
Original Posted By: "clif"
You can use a sailboat radar reflector ( an aluminized "kite" affair) insidethe fuselage -- maybe between the back seat & the walking beam. Or use"window" to announce your position ( Dad said they had that on the B-26's inWW2 --it was shredded Alum foil that was dropped out to "fog" the Germanradar with the reflections!!) This stuff will show up on radar -- I don'tknow if there is an emergency ELT-like transponder for light planes -- it'stoo easy to just require a real life transponder.500 ft to 1000 ft cruse altitude should get you below 99% of the in routetraffic -- for us the other 1% will be the Air Guard going over at 400 ftAGL & our neighbor in his spray plane (but only if it's "dead calm"!!)Mike C.Pretty Prairie, KSWW@mmnopounce----- Original Message -----
You can use a sailboat radar reflector ( an aluminized "kite" affair) insidethe fuselage -- maybe between the back seat & the walking beam. Or use"window" to announce your position ( Dad said they had that on the B-26's inWW2 --it was shredded Alum foil that was dropped out to "fog" the Germanradar with the reflections!!) This stuff will show up on radar -- I don'tknow if there is an emergency ELT-like transponder for light planes -- it'stoo easy to just require a real life transponder.500 ft to 1000 ft cruse altitude should get you below 99% of the in routetraffic -- for us the other 1% will be the Air Guard going over at 400 ftAGL & our neighbor in his spray plane (but only if it's "dead calm"!!)Mike C.Pretty Prairie, KSWW@mmnopounce----- Original Message -----