Original Posted By: Gary Leopold
yes do a search on boat lumber +"boat lumber" +sidney +"british columbia"talk to the norwegian named jhanyou will find good fir fir 4:00 a board foot----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: spars
Pietenpol-List: spars
Original Posted By: ADonJr(at)aol.com
Does anyone have a good source for Douglas Fir here in the mid-west.Everything I have looked at is hardly suitable for firewood.Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Does anyone have a good source for Douglas Fir here in the mid-west.Everything I have looked at is hardly suitable for firewood.Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: spars
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
I'm getting ready to scarf joint my spars (one piece wing) and while I havebeen sticking to the plans as much as possible I am wondering about thedirection of the joint. The plan has a joint from top to bottom. I haveseen many more joints run the opposite way. It seems the greater gluingsurface would be advisable. Also, would it be advisable to put a plywood capover the joint? I am planning on building in 1" of diheadreal.Dick Navratil________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:36:48 -0400
I'm getting ready to scarf joint my spars (one piece wing) and while I havebeen sticking to the plans as much as possible I am wondering about thedirection of the joint. The plan has a joint from top to bottom. I haveseen many more joints run the opposite way. It seems the greater gluingsurface would be advisable. Also, would it be advisable to put a plywood capover the joint? I am planning on building in 1" of diheadreal.Dick Navratil________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:36:48 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol lift struts
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Pietenpol-List: spars
Original Posted By: "Carl Loar"
For all the discussion on spars- type material, etc. I just received my spars via Georgia from Aircraft Spruce . I have 4-17' 4 3/4 x 1' pieces of the sweetest lumber I could ever expect. I paid a little more ($558) but I guess wood for AC is like oats, " If you want first class oats you have to pay for them, oaks that have already been through the horse the are a lot cheaper". I hope to have those spars holding me and my "PIET" up for a long time. I do don't believe in cutting corners anywhere. If I wanted cheaper wings I guess I would buy a "Breezy"Have a nice day and fly high.Ted- A Pietenpoller from PEO________________________________________________________________________________
For all the discussion on spars- type material, etc. I just received my spars via Georgia from Aircraft Spruce . I have 4-17' 4 3/4 x 1' pieces of the sweetest lumber I could ever expect. I paid a little more ($558) but I guess wood for AC is like oats, " If you want first class oats you have to pay for them, oaks that have already been through the horse the are a lot cheaper". I hope to have those spars holding me and my "PIET" up for a long time. I do don't believe in cutting corners anywhere. If I wanted cheaper wings I guess I would buy a "Breezy"Have a nice day and fly high.Ted- A Pietenpoller from PEO________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: spars
Original Posted By: ZigoDan(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: sparsHi Pieter's ....While we're on the subject of spars I have a questionthat's been bugging my curiosity for quite a while. Don't beat me uphere this strictly a theoretical question. Has anyone ever built a wingwith aluminum spars and wooden ribs? The reason I ask is that Carlson'slists a sweet modified I beam 4 1/2" aluminum spar that they use in some of their kit planes withslightly higher gross weights than the Piet. If I remember right theyare 45,000 psi tensile and 30,000 psi in shear. They're 9 lbs each andnot too expensive . With a little shimming they would fit the piet ribs.I plan to use 3/4" spruce spars but Carlson's spars caught my curiosity. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: sparsHi Pieter's ....While we're on the subject of spars I have a questionthat's been bugging my curiosity for quite a while. Don't beat me uphere this strictly a theoretical question. Has anyone ever built a wingwith aluminum spars and wooden ribs? The reason I ask is that Carlson'slists a sweet modified I beam 4 1/2" aluminum spar that they use in some of their kit planes withslightly higher gross weights than the Piet. If I remember right theyare 45,000 psi tensile and 30,000 psi in shear. They're 9 lbs each andnot too expensive . With a little shimming they would fit the piet ribs.I plan to use 3/4" spruce spars but Carlson's spars caught my curiosity. ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: spars
Original Posted By: "Hubbard, Eugene"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sparsWag Aero sells a cub replica kit. You can buy the wing kit one of three ways, all wood, all aluminum, or aluminum with wood ribs. Now I sure don't if any piets have been built using this technique, but it does seem possible. Buy the way a couple years ago AS sold the extruded spars blanks for about $100.00 $150.00 each.Dan________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sparsWag Aero sells a cub replica kit. You can buy the wing kit one of three ways, all wood, all aluminum, or aluminum with wood ribs. Now I sure don't if any piets have been built using this technique, but it does seem possible. Buy the way a couple years ago AS sold the extruded spars blanks for about $100.00 $150.00 each.Dan________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Pietenpol-List: spars
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Thanks Dan...So it is feasable to use aluminum spars with wood ribs. The Carlson's spar I was looking at is 4 1/2" X .812" (across the flanges) X 14 ft.6061T aluminum flanged I beam affair for $86.00 each plus shipping....didn't sound too bad...Lets see Mikes termites eat that sucker!!! Anyone know the best way to fasten ribs to them??? I don't think it would be a good idea to drill the flanges?? but then the aluminum ribs must be riveted to the flanges. Or are they?? Still just curious. Ed>From: ZigoDan(at)aol.com>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spars>Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:44:01 EST>>>Wag Aero sells a cub replica kit. You can buy the wing kit one of three>ways, all wood, all aluminum, or aluminum with wood ribs. Now I sure don't>if any piets have been built using this technique, but it does seem >possible.> Buy the way a couple years ago AS sold the extruded spars blanks for >about>$100.00 $150.00 each.>>Dan>>________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks Dan...So it is feasable to use aluminum spars with wood ribs. The Carlson's spar I was looking at is 4 1/2" X .812" (across the flanges) X 14 ft.6061T aluminum flanged I beam affair for $86.00 each plus shipping....didn't sound too bad...Lets see Mikes termites eat that sucker!!! Anyone know the best way to fasten ribs to them??? I don't think it would be a good idea to drill the flanges?? but then the aluminum ribs must be riveted to the flanges. Or are they?? Still just curious. Ed>From: ZigoDan(at)aol.com>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spars>Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:44:01 EST>>>Wag Aero sells a cub replica kit. You can buy the wing kit one of three>ways, all wood, all aluminum, or aluminum with wood ribs. Now I sure don't>if any piets have been built using this technique, but it does seem >possible.> Buy the way a couple years ago AS sold the extruded spars blanks for >about>$100.00 $150.00 each.>>Dan>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Airfoil
Original Posted By: travis battreal
Subject: Pietenpol-List: AirfoilPieters,Would some GNer please tell me what kind of airfoil the GN plan calls for. ThanksCorky in La________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:28:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: AirfoilPieters,Would some GNer please tell me what kind of airfoil the GN plan calls for. ThanksCorky in La________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:28:55 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: spars
Original Posted By: Borodent(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sparsThe original later model J3 had Aluminum ribs, wood spars. Just like the Champ, and later model Chiefs. But despite that for the record I am looking at a Wag Aero book right now and it say's Aluminum spar wood rib kit. BTW some early model Chief's and J3's had all wood wings, rib's and spar's. Right now I have a 41 chief, with all wood wings, just like Chris Bobka's 40 or 39 model.Ed,I once replaced a spar on a PA 22-108 Colt. The flange or T part was drilled, in fact it didn't seem to mater, they put holes all through it. The ribs were held on with about #4 sheet metal screws. I bought the spar from Univiar, and it was predrilled, boy did that save some time.Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sparsThe original later model J3 had Aluminum ribs, wood spars. Just like the Champ, and later model Chiefs. But despite that for the record I am looking at a Wag Aero book right now and it say's Aluminum spar wood rib kit. BTW some early model Chief's and J3's had all wood wings, rib's and spar's. Right now I have a 41 chief, with all wood wings, just like Chris Bobka's 40 or 39 model.Ed,I once replaced a spar on a PA 22-108 Colt. The flange or T part was drilled, in fact it didn't seem to mater, they put holes all through it. The ribs were held on with about #4 sheet metal screws. I bought the spar from Univiar, and it was predrilled, boy did that save some time.Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: spars
Original Posted By: "Dave Esslinger"
Pietenpol-List: spars
Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
Pietenpol-List: Fw: spars
Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
Spars are now routed. thirteen poundsremoved. Total spar weight now 261/2 lb.They are true fir ( not Douglas ) and 1"thick. The bit used is this one;http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.a ... 73&ap=1See that table with all the stuff on it? Wellguess where my wing panels are supposedto be built? It took years to load it like that.Every single thing lovingly placed ( dumped )and now just as lovingly needs a new home.ClifEverything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. Einstein________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 06:45:29 -0400
Spars are now routed. thirteen poundsremoved. Total spar weight now 261/2 lb.They are true fir ( not Douglas ) and 1"thick. The bit used is this one;http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.a ... 73&ap=1See that table with all the stuff on it? Wellguess where my wing panels are supposedto be built? It took years to load it like that.Every single thing lovingly placed ( dumped )and now just as lovingly needs a new home.ClifEverything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. Einstein________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 06:45:29 -0400
> > Re: Pietenpol-List: spars
Original Posted By: Gdascomb(at)aol.com
> >> >> >Wag Aero sells a cub replica kit. You can buy the wing kit one of> three> >ways, all wood, all aluminum, or aluminum with wood ribs. Now I> sure don't> >if any piets have been built using this technique, but it does seem > >possible.> > Buy the way a couple years ago AS sold the extruded spars blanks> for > >about> >$100.00 $150.00 each.> >> >Dan> >> >> > >>> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> >> >> >Wag Aero sells a cub replica kit. You can buy the wing kit one of> three> >ways, all wood, all aluminum, or aluminum with wood ribs. Now I> sure don't> >if any piets have been built using this technique, but it does seem > >possible.> > Buy the way a couple years ago AS sold the extruded spars blanks> for > >about> >$100.00 $150.00 each.> >> >Dan> >> >> > >>> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> Pietenpol-List: spars
Original Posted By: Galen Hutcheson
>>i got a set of plans from a friend of the british box spars and quick>connects, they need some work but are useable im going to copy and redraft >them if>anyone wants a set let me know i just want the cost of copying them> tom________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:42:03 -0700;
>>i got a set of plans from a friend of the british box spars and quick>connects, they need some work but are useable im going to copy and redraft >them if>anyone wants a set let me know i just want the cost of copying them> tom________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:42:03 -0700;
> Pietenpol-List: spars
Original Posted By: "Jim Malley"
>>i got a set of plans from a friend of the british box spars and quick>connects, they need some work but are useable im going to copy and redraft >them if>anyone wants a set let me know i just want the cost of copying them> tom________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:24:05 -0700
>>i got a set of plans from a friend of the british box spars and quick>connects, they need some work but are useable im going to copy and redraft >them if>anyone wants a set let me know i just want the cost of copying them> tom________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:24:05 -0700