Original Posted By: "Alex Sloan"
Hello everyone,I just recently joined the group and this is my first posting.This my third trip to Brodhead. The last was over 5 years ago. (I kind ofdropped out of flying after the engine was stolen out of my Piper, but thatis another story)Anyway, I have been smitten by the Piet for years and now that I'm retiredplan to do something about it.There were two Corvair powered Piets, one of them being the "Last Orginial"NX899H. The other one had "Brown Aero" on the fuselage. I did not get totalk with either owner, there were so many people asking questions.While at Brodhead I purchased William Wynn's book, "Corvair Flight Enginesfor use in Experimental Aircraft",Three Tee shirts, two cast aluminum rocker covers and a Corvair engine.The Hoopman family donated Orrins personal collection of PietenpolNewsletters, Sport Avaitions and newsletters from the Internation PietenpolAssociation to anyone that wanted them. They were on a table and while Iwould like to have taken them all, I only took three. One nice thing isthat they were addressed to Orrin Hoopman. I get a copy BAP issue 31 - 1stquarter 1991 which featured an article by B.H. Pietenpol about the Corvairengine conversion. There are no pictures included but if anyone would likea copy please send me an off list e-mail with their snail mail address. Aslong as the volume is not too high they are free if it gets to be too muchI'll ask a for a buck. You will still need to get the instructions from DonPietenpol but the article is interesting anyway.Mike Cuy's Piet was there and it is truly a beautiful aircraft. Mike Cuyand Lowell Frank were the only two Piet owners that I was able to speak withand both were very courteous and gave thoughtful answers.I took about 200 hundred pictures mostly of Piets but some of the antiqueaircraft at the show. After I get them oganized I will post them on my website. Many pictures show details like landing gear closeups, model "A"engines, Corvair engines, instrument panels and so fourth and probably won'tbe of much interest to anyone except builders. I did get several differentcockpit door pictures from two different Corbins and the Heath Parsol fromthe inside showing construction details. I'm going to have to put a door inthe front cockpit because wife has arthritus in her knees and won't be ableto get in otherwise.William Wynn's seminar on the Corvair conversion was very interesting, aswas Larry Hudson's converted Corvair engine which was displayed in thepavilion for several hours while Larry patiently answered questions. Againit was too crowed to get an overall picture, but I did get a few showingsome details, prop hub, starter etc.My advice to anyone going to Brodhead that must drive through Beloit is bewell prepared ahead of time. I got directions from Yahoo which were wrong,I stopped and got directions at a store which were wrong also. Finally Ibought a map and the clerk at that store gave me perfect directions. Ididn't need the map but got it anyway out of gratitude. I arrived at theairport after dark, too late to try and put up my tent so spent the firstnight in my car. After while, pain becomes somewhat of a sedative and I didget some sleep. In the morning two very nice gentleman from the UK helpedme put up my tent. Actually, I think they took pity on me. Anyway, neverput up a tent for the first time in public, practice doing it somewhereprivate until you know what to do. All in all everyone was very polite Ihad a great time, met some truly nice people, learned a lot and am ready tocome back next year. One thing I heard someone say is that they flew overOshkosh, threw out their billfold then and came on to Brodhead. Regards,Bob BaileyP.S. Sorry this got to be so long, sometimes I get carried away. I hope noone minds and I promise to keep the stupid questions to a minimum. I planto do the engine conversion and make all the metal parts first.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie
Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie
Original Posted By: "baileys"
Bob B.Thanks for the newsy info about Brodhead. I was unable to go this year butreading your letter gives me the feeling of having been there.I am looking forward to seeing your pictures. Post the web site for themwhen you get them ready for viewing.I have a Corvair about ready to run and have the long fuselage glued up.Retirement jobs keeps me from doing as much as I would like.Thanks.Alex Sloan----- Original Message -----
Bob B.Thanks for the newsy info about Brodhead. I was unable to go this year butreading your letter gives me the feeling of having been there.I am looking forward to seeing your pictures. Post the web site for themwhen you get them ready for viewing.I have a Corvair about ready to run and have the long fuselage glued up.Retirement jobs keeps me from doing as much as I would like.Thanks.Alex Sloan----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie
Original Posted By: Michael Green
> Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie
Original Posted By: "DJ Vegh"
Hi Bob Bailey....Welcome to the group but I would recommend not makeing all the metal parts first. I made that mistake (I followed Tony Bingelis' recommendation while waiting for my wood order) and ended up remaking alot of the metal parts. I think most Pieters will agree that you should make the wood parts first...then.... using the plans as a guide make the metal parts to fit the wood parts. Just trying to save you some time , metal and aggrevation. Have fun building though, the Piet is a great project! Ed G.P.S. The plans call for brazing some of the metal parts and 4130 is the norm for building these days( actually since the early 50s) Some people recommend that 4130 should not be brazed.>From: "baileys" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie>Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:18:14 -0500>>>Hello everyone,>I just recently joined the group and this is my first posting.>>This my third trip to Brodhead. The last was over 5 years ago. (I kind of>dropped out of flying after the engine was stolen out of my Piper, but that>is another story)>Anyway, I have been smitten by the Piet for years and now that I'm retired>plan to do something about it.>>There were two Corvair powered Piets, one of them being the "Last Orginial">NX899H. The other one had "Brown Aero" on the fuselage. I did not get to>talk with either owner, there were so many people asking questions.>>While at Brodhead I purchased William Wynn's book, "Corvair Flight Engines>for use in Experimental Aircraft",>Three Tee shirts, two cast aluminum rocker covers and a Corvair engine.>>The Hoopman family donated Orrins personal collection of Pietenpol>Newsletters, Sport Avaitions and newsletters from the Internation Pietenpol>Association to anyone that wanted them. They were on a table and while I>would like to have taken them all, I only took three. One nice thing is>that they were addressed to Orrin Hoopman. I get a copy BAP issue 31 - >1st>quarter 1991 which featured an article by B.H. Pietenpol about the Corvair>engine conversion. There are no pictures included but if anyone would >like>a copy please send me an off list e-mail with their snail mail address. >As>long as the volume is not too high they are free if it gets to be too much>I'll ask a for a buck. You will still need to get the instructions from >Don>Pietenpol but the article is interesting anyway.>>Mike Cuy's Piet was there and it is truly a beautiful aircraft. Mike Cuy>and Lowell Frank were the only two Piet owners that I was able to speak >with>and both were very courteous and gave thoughtful answers.>>I took about 200 hundred pictures mostly of Piets but some of the antique>aircraft at the show. After I get them oganized I will post them on my web>site. Many pictures show details like landing gear closeups, model "A">engines, Corvair engines, instrument panels and so fourth and probably >won't>be of much interest to anyone except builders. I did get several different>cockpit door pictures from two different Corbins and the Heath Parsol from>the inside showing construction details. I'm going to have to put a door >in>the front cockpit because wife has arthritus in her knees and won't be able>to get in otherwise.>>William Wynn's seminar on the Corvair conversion was very interesting, as>was Larry Hudson's converted Corvair engine which was displayed in the>pavilion for several hours while Larry patiently answered questions. Again>it was too crowed to get an overall picture, but I did get a few showing>some details, prop hub, starter etc.>>My advice to anyone going to Brodhead that must drive through Beloit is be>well prepared ahead of time. I got directions from Yahoo which were wrong,>I stopped and got directions at a store which were wrong also. Finally I>bought a map and the clerk at that store gave me perfect directions. I>didn't need the map but got it anyway out of gratitude. I arrived at the>airport after dark, too late to try and put up my tent so spent the first>night in my car. After while, pain becomes somewhat of a sedative and I >did>get some sleep. In the morning two very nice gentleman from the UK helped>me put up my tent. Actually, I think they took pity on me. Anyway, never>put up a tent for the first time in public, practice doing it somewhere>private until you know what to do. All in all everyone was very polite I>had a great time, met some truly nice people, learned a lot and am ready >to>come back next year. One thing I heard someone say is that they flew over>Oshkosh, threw out their billfold then and came on to Brodhead.>Regards,>Bob Bailey>P.S. Sorry this got to be so long, sometimes I get carried away. I hope no>one minds and I promise to keep the stupid questions to a minimum. I plan>to do the engine conversion and make all the metal parts first.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Bob Bailey....Welcome to the group but I would recommend not makeing all the metal parts first. I made that mistake (I followed Tony Bingelis' recommendation while waiting for my wood order) and ended up remaking alot of the metal parts. I think most Pieters will agree that you should make the wood parts first...then.... using the plans as a guide make the metal parts to fit the wood parts. Just trying to save you some time , metal and aggrevation. Have fun building though, the Piet is a great project! Ed G.P.S. The plans call for brazing some of the metal parts and 4130 is the norm for building these days( actually since the early 50s) Some people recommend that 4130 should not be brazed.>From: "baileys" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie>Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:18:14 -0500>>>Hello everyone,>I just recently joined the group and this is my first posting.>>This my third trip to Brodhead. The last was over 5 years ago. (I kind of>dropped out of flying after the engine was stolen out of my Piper, but that>is another story)>Anyway, I have been smitten by the Piet for years and now that I'm retired>plan to do something about it.>>There were two Corvair powered Piets, one of them being the "Last Orginial">NX899H. The other one had "Brown Aero" on the fuselage. I did not get to>talk with either owner, there were so many people asking questions.>>While at Brodhead I purchased William Wynn's book, "Corvair Flight Engines>for use in Experimental Aircraft",>Three Tee shirts, two cast aluminum rocker covers and a Corvair engine.>>The Hoopman family donated Orrins personal collection of Pietenpol>Newsletters, Sport Avaitions and newsletters from the Internation Pietenpol>Association to anyone that wanted them. They were on a table and while I>would like to have taken them all, I only took three. One nice thing is>that they were addressed to Orrin Hoopman. I get a copy BAP issue 31 - >1st>quarter 1991 which featured an article by B.H. Pietenpol about the Corvair>engine conversion. There are no pictures included but if anyone would >like>a copy please send me an off list e-mail with their snail mail address. >As>long as the volume is not too high they are free if it gets to be too much>I'll ask a for a buck. You will still need to get the instructions from >Don>Pietenpol but the article is interesting anyway.>>Mike Cuy's Piet was there and it is truly a beautiful aircraft. Mike Cuy>and Lowell Frank were the only two Piet owners that I was able to speak >with>and both were very courteous and gave thoughtful answers.>>I took about 200 hundred pictures mostly of Piets but some of the antique>aircraft at the show. After I get them oganized I will post them on my web>site. Many pictures show details like landing gear closeups, model "A">engines, Corvair engines, instrument panels and so fourth and probably >won't>be of much interest to anyone except builders. I did get several different>cockpit door pictures from two different Corbins and the Heath Parsol from>the inside showing construction details. I'm going to have to put a door >in>the front cockpit because wife has arthritus in her knees and won't be able>to get in otherwise.>>William Wynn's seminar on the Corvair conversion was very interesting, as>was Larry Hudson's converted Corvair engine which was displayed in the>pavilion for several hours while Larry patiently answered questions. Again>it was too crowed to get an overall picture, but I did get a few showing>some details, prop hub, starter etc.>>My advice to anyone going to Brodhead that must drive through Beloit is be>well prepared ahead of time. I got directions from Yahoo which were wrong,>I stopped and got directions at a store which were wrong also. Finally I>bought a map and the clerk at that store gave me perfect directions. I>didn't need the map but got it anyway out of gratitude. I arrived at the>airport after dark, too late to try and put up my tent so spent the first>night in my car. After while, pain becomes somewhat of a sedative and I >did>get some sleep. In the morning two very nice gentleman from the UK helped>me put up my tent. Actually, I think they took pity on me. Anyway, never>put up a tent for the first time in public, practice doing it somewhere>private until you know what to do. All in all everyone was very polite I>had a great time, met some truly nice people, learned a lot and am ready >to>come back next year. One thing I heard someone say is that they flew over>Oshkosh, threw out their billfold then and came on to Brodhead.>Regards,>Bob Bailey>P.S. Sorry this got to be so long, sometimes I get carried away. I hope no>one minds and I promise to keep the stupid questions to a minimum. I plan>to do the engine conversion and make all the metal parts first.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbieCan anyone cite chapter and verse about why there are recommendations against brazing 4130? I'm not questioning the truth of it, I'm just trying to cure my ignorance. This is the second time I've heard this. After the first time, I went to the best professional welder I know and he couldn't provide any background.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:15:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbieCan anyone cite chapter and verse about why there are recommendations against brazing 4130? I'm not questioning the truth of it, I'm just trying to cure my ignorance. This is the second time I've heard this. After the first time, I went to the best professional welder I know and he couldn't provide any background.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:15:55 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie
Original Posted By: Mike
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie
Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie
Original Posted By: "Al Latham"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbieIn a message dated 7/31/03 3:06:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carbarvo(at)aol.com writes:> Can anyone cite chapter and verse about why there are recommendations against > > brazing 4130? I'm not questioning the truth of it, I'm just trying to cure > my > ignorance. This is the second time I've heard this. After the first time, I > went to the best professional welder I know and he couldn't provide any > background.How about in here: AC 43-13 Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices - Aircraft Inspection and Repair or: http://av-info.faa.gov/dst/43-13/ or: http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/300/pdf/____ ... __________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbieIn a message dated 7/31/03 3:06:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carbarvo(at)aol.com writes:> Can anyone cite chapter and verse about why there are recommendations against > > brazing 4130? I'm not questioning the truth of it, I'm just trying to cure > my > ignorance. This is the second time I've heard this. After the first time, I > went to the best professional welder I know and he couldn't provide any > background.How about in here: AC 43-13 Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices - Aircraft Inspection and Repair or: http://av-info.faa.gov/dst/43-13/ or: http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/300/pdf/____ ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie
Original Posted By: dpilot
Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie
Original Posted By: Carbarvo(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbieYou're just the guy I was lookin' for...THAT is what I call a complete answer.....Thank you very much. I feel satisfied....Carl________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbieYou're just the guy I was lookin' for...THAT is what I call a complete answer.....Thank you very much. I feel satisfied....Carl________________________________________________________________________________