Original Posted By: Phil Peck
I have lately been considering ordering some of the things I am goingto need, but as I am still waitng for plans- I don't know exactly whatI will need. Some of this I have gleaned from Mr. Decosta's wonderfulsite-but I have more ? What size plywood am I going to need for my ribgussets? Nails- is 1/4 right? Seems like it should be sufficient...How much glue will I need- T-88 is what has been recommended to me,but of course I am open to suggestions... Anything else??? thanks Paris W.p.s.-which is better the sportplane builder, or sportplane construction?Wicks or A/C Spruce?________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: Paris Wilcox
-----Original Message-----Paris WilcoxSent: Saturday, May 16, 1998 2:31 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Getting StartedI have lately been considering ordering some of the things I am goingto need, but as I am still waitng for plans- I don't know exactly whatI will need. Some of this I have gleaned from Mr. Decosta's wonderfulsite-but I have more ? What size plywood am I going to need for my ribgussets? Nails- is 1/4 right? Seems like it should be sufficient...How much glue will I need- T-88 is what has been recommended to me,but of course I am open to suggestions... Anything else???thanks Paris W.p.s.-which is better the sportplane builder, or sportplane construction?Don't have an opinion on the book question. Get all the info you can. Iused:1/16" birch ply3/8" cement coated copper plated steel nails (A/C nails)AeroliteSteveeWicks or A/C Spruce?________________________________________________________________________________
-----Original Message-----Paris WilcoxSent: Saturday, May 16, 1998 2:31 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Getting StartedI have lately been considering ordering some of the things I am goingto need, but as I am still waitng for plans- I don't know exactly whatI will need. Some of this I have gleaned from Mr. Decosta's wonderfulsite-but I have more ? What size plywood am I going to need for my ribgussets? Nails- is 1/4 right? Seems like it should be sufficient...How much glue will I need- T-88 is what has been recommended to me,but of course I am open to suggestions... Anything else???thanks Paris W.p.s.-which is better the sportplane builder, or sportplane construction?Don't have an opinion on the book question. Get all the info you can. Iused:1/16" birch ply3/8" cement coated copper plated steel nails (A/C nails)AeroliteSteveeWicks or A/C Spruce?________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Hello Again! It seems as of every question I ask simply generates morequestions- I really do need to get a book! In the meantime here'sanother one- I need 1/16 birch plywood to do my rib gussets-1. Will Ialso need this for all other gussets? i.e. how much should Iorder-Total so that I can get this all in one shot??2. How many plys? And am I right in my understanding that I need thecenter ply to run 45 degrees from the outside plys?Thanks Again! paris________________________________________________________________________________
Hello Again! It seems as of every question I ask simply generates morequestions- I really do need to get a book! In the meantime here'sanother one- I need 1/16 birch plywood to do my rib gussets-1. Will Ialso need this for all other gussets? i.e. how much should Iorder-Total so that I can get this all in one shot??2. How many plys? And am I right in my understanding that I need thecenter ply to run 45 degrees from the outside plys?Thanks Again! paris________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: Getting Started
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Paris- I had excellent service and reliability from Wicks for 80% of myneeds. Aircraft Spruce took too long in shipping and had trouble tracking anything overdue. All of my AN hardware, 4130 steel tubing, sheet, alum., cables, etc. came from Dillsburg Aeroplane Works, in PA. A grumpy guynamed Charles Vogelsong runs the place and knows his stock likea walking encylopedia. His shipping time is very, very quick for UPSground. I've never had him mess up any of my orders. It is goodquality hardware at a fair price. 717-432-4589. If you live near St. Louis you can pick up your long spruce rightat Wicks to save shipping charges. (UPS can only ship up to 8 footin length.) I ordered my wing spruce from Wicks in June a few yearsago and asked them if they would bring it to Oshkosh. They did itand I strapped the box atop our vehicle and drove it home.If you keep building at a steady pace you will be on a first-name basiswith your local UPS driver ! As Frank Pavliga told me- " forevery day you delay building, you delay flying by the same amount.You won't be sorry ! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Paris- I had excellent service and reliability from Wicks for 80% of myneeds. Aircraft Spruce took too long in shipping and had trouble tracking anything overdue. All of my AN hardware, 4130 steel tubing, sheet, alum., cables, etc. came from Dillsburg Aeroplane Works, in PA. A grumpy guynamed Charles Vogelsong runs the place and knows his stock likea walking encylopedia. His shipping time is very, very quick for UPSground. I've never had him mess up any of my orders. It is goodquality hardware at a fair price. 717-432-4589. If you live near St. Louis you can pick up your long spruce rightat Wicks to save shipping charges. (UPS can only ship up to 8 footin length.) I ordered my wing spruce from Wicks in June a few yearsago and asked them if they would bring it to Oshkosh. They did itand I strapped the box atop our vehicle and drove it home.If you keep building at a steady pace you will be on a first-name basiswith your local UPS driver ! As Frank Pavliga told me- " forevery day you delay building, you delay flying by the same amount.You won't be sorry ! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Paris Wilcox
Paris ! I forgot this one: I can't say enough for Tony Bingelis's series of books sold thru EAA. They became my builder's manualwhen the old wives tales didn't satisfy my questions. The books aren'tcheap, but over the course of your project they will pay for themselvesover and over. Ok, I'll let someone else talk now ! Sorry ! MC________________________________________________________________________________
Paris ! I forgot this one: I can't say enough for Tony Bingelis's series of books sold thru EAA. They became my builder's manualwhen the old wives tales didn't satisfy my questions. The books aren'tcheap, but over the course of your project they will pay for themselvesover and over. Ok, I'll let someone else talk now ! Sorry ! MC________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
---Michael D Cuy wrote:>> Paris ! I forgot this one: I can't say enough for Tony Bingelis's > series of books sold thru EAA. They became my builder's manual> when the old wives tales didn't satisfy my questions. The booksaren't> cheap, but over the course of your project they will pay forthemselves> over and over. Ok, I'll let someone else talk now ! Sorry ! MC> Michael, After seeing picts of your ship...talk all you want-I am allears- would you recommend buying the whole set? I'd like to get themsomewhere other than EAA as it has taken them 3 mos with no sign ofthe other books I have ordered.... thanks, Paris________________________________________________________________________________
---Michael D Cuy wrote:>> Paris ! I forgot this one: I can't say enough for Tony Bingelis's > series of books sold thru EAA. They became my builder's manual> when the old wives tales didn't satisfy my questions. The booksaren't> cheap, but over the course of your project they will pay forthemselves> over and over. Ok, I'll let someone else talk now ! Sorry ! MC> Michael, After seeing picts of your ship...talk all you want-I am allears- would you recommend buying the whole set? I'd like to get themsomewhere other than EAA as it has taken them 3 mos with no sign ofthe other books I have ordered.... thanks, Paris________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Steve W
After seeing picts of your ship...talk all you want-I am all>ears- would you recommend buying the whole set? Thank you, Paris. I'd get the whole set if you could swing it.The guy literally holds your hand on zillions of issues and questions.I don't know who else sells them besides EAA. If you do orderthru EAA pin them down on exactly how long they expect deliveryto take and are they in stock currently. Also ask with whom youare speaking to, jot the name down, and then maybe your deliverytime will be faster.I'd like to get them>somewhere other than EAA as it has taken them 3 mos with no sign of>the other books I have ordered....> thanks, Paris>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
After seeing picts of your ship...talk all you want-I am all>ears- would you recommend buying the whole set? Thank you, Paris. I'd get the whole set if you could swing it.The guy literally holds your hand on zillions of issues and questions.I don't know who else sells them besides EAA. If you do orderthru EAA pin them down on exactly how long they expect deliveryto take and are they in stock currently. Also ask with whom youare speaking to, jot the name down, and then maybe your deliverytime will be faster.I'd like to get them>somewhere other than EAA as it has taken them 3 mos with no sign of>the other books I have ordered....> thanks, Paris>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael King
Steve wrote:I dont know if my book store has any reference to the books you aretalking about but try them anyway. I have a book search engine theretoo.http://www2.misnet.com/~asawaSteveMichael D Cuy wrote:> > After seeing picts of your ship...talk all you want-I am all> >ears- would you recommend buying the whole set?> > Thank you, Paris. I'd get the whole set if you could swing it.> The guy literally holds your hand on zillions of issues and questions.> > I don't know who else sells them besides EAA. If you do order> thru EAA pin them down on exactly how long they expect delivery> to take and are they in stock currently. Also ask with whom you> are speaking to, jot the name down, and then maybe your delivery> time will be faster.> > I'd like to get them> >somewhere other than EAA as it has taken them 3 mos with no sign of> >the other books I have ordered....> > thanks, Paris> >> >> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
Steve wrote:I dont know if my book store has any reference to the books you aretalking about but try them anyway. I have a book search engine theretoo.http://www2.misnet.com/~asawaSteveMichael D Cuy wrote:> > After seeing picts of your ship...talk all you want-I am all> >ears- would you recommend buying the whole set?> > Thank you, Paris. I'd get the whole set if you could swing it.> The guy literally holds your hand on zillions of issues and questions.> > I don't know who else sells them besides EAA. If you do order> thru EAA pin them down on exactly how long they expect delivery> to take and are they in stock currently. Also ask with whom you> are speaking to, jot the name down, and then maybe your delivery> time will be faster.> > I'd like to get them> >somewhere other than EAA as it has taken them 3 mos with no sign of> >the other books I have ordered....> > thanks, Paris> >> >> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: "Carl Loar"
Corky,As for suggestions on building a Piet:Read, read, read; Ask Questions, questions, questions; Check out the Piet websites, websites, websites.Join the EAA and tap into their wealth of knowledge in people and books.Read the drawings; Order the wood; Measure three times; Cut once; Build to the drawings.Draw out the metal fittings on stiff construction paper; Keep in mind what they must do; Keep in mind what they must work in unison with; Think, think, think.Re-draw the metal fittings on stiff construction paper as necessary; Keep in mind what they must work in unison with; Order the metal; Cut, cut, cut; Drill, drill, drill; Grind, grind, grind; Deburr, deburr,deburr.Measure tubes three times; Cut tubes once; Grind to shape, file to fit; Weld as required.For covering apply the same methods again; Read, read, read; Ask, ask, ask; Measure three times; Cut once.And at any stage try your hand at a practice piece. Get knowledgeablepeople to lend a hand on the more difficult processes. And when a planeflyes over head pause to listen to the motor as it goes on its way and letthe siren call once again stir you. And when the eighteen month projectdrags on into several or many years, keep the faith, soon you too will beup there in your very own Piet too.RodgerPiet in progress________________________________________________________________________________
Corky,As for suggestions on building a Piet:Read, read, read; Ask Questions, questions, questions; Check out the Piet websites, websites, websites.Join the EAA and tap into their wealth of knowledge in people and books.Read the drawings; Order the wood; Measure three times; Cut once; Build to the drawings.Draw out the metal fittings on stiff construction paper; Keep in mind what they must do; Keep in mind what they must work in unison with; Think, think, think.Re-draw the metal fittings on stiff construction paper as necessary; Keep in mind what they must work in unison with; Order the metal; Cut, cut, cut; Drill, drill, drill; Grind, grind, grind; Deburr, deburr,deburr.Measure tubes three times; Cut tubes once; Grind to shape, file to fit; Weld as required.For covering apply the same methods again; Read, read, read; Ask, ask, ask; Measure three times; Cut once.And at any stage try your hand at a practice piece. Get knowledgeablepeople to lend a hand on the more difficult processes. And when a planeflyes over head pause to listen to the motor as it goes on its way and letthe siren call once again stir you. And when the eighteen month projectdrags on into several or many years, keep the faith, soon you too will beup there in your very own Piet too.RodgerPiet in progress________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Amen Roger,,,,, and don't forget to go thru the archives ( lot of goodstuff )Carl-----Original Message-----
Amen Roger,,,,, and don't forget to go thru the archives ( lot of goodstuff )Carl-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "mboynton(at)excite.com
Amen Roger....There is a wealth of information out there. I was amazed at how many peoplewere building or have built Piets with in a 100 mile radius of me. And Ilive in Nowhere Kansas which is about as far from what is 'happening' as youcan get. I found out that people love to fly no matter where you live. Andpeople who build airplanes love to help and tell you about what they did tosolve problems.Greg________________________________________________________________________________
Amen Roger....There is a wealth of information out there. I was amazed at how many peoplewere building or have built Piets with in a 100 mile radius of me. And Ilive in Nowhere Kansas which is about as far from what is 'happening' as youcan get. I found out that people love to fly no matter where you live. Andpeople who build airplanes love to help and tell you about what they did tosolve problems.Greg________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: "Greg Yotz"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting StartedTo Jared and Greg, Speaking of nowhere, I'm in nowhere Louisiana. Don't have to hide anything from the wife, my problem is WHERE is the best source to buy my spruce and stuff?Corky (Still trying to get started)________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting StartedTo Jared and Greg, Speaking of nowhere, I'm in nowhere Louisiana. Don't have to hide anything from the wife, my problem is WHERE is the best source to buy my spruce and stuff?Corky (Still trying to get started)________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: "Greg Yotz"
I'm south of Burlington KS 10 miles which is south of Topeka Ks 50 miles.Where is Mo are you Jared??Greg________________________________________________________________________________
I'm south of Burlington KS 10 miles which is south of Topeka Ks 50 miles.Where is Mo are you Jared??Greg________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: "Carl Loar"
>From what other listers have said there is a gentlemen in Alaska(I think)that knows about how to cut wood for Piets and several guys have bought woodfrom him as parts and whole kits. It seemed very reasonably priced and hadlittle scrap. I already had most of what I needed and then I bought apartial project so I haven't bought from him but I'm sure you can findreferences in the archive.Greg________________________________________________________________________________
>From what other listers have said there is a gentlemen in Alaska(I think)that knows about how to cut wood for Piets and several guys have bought woodfrom him as parts and whole kits. It seemed very reasonably priced and hadlittle scrap. I already had most of what I needed and then I bought apartial project so I haven't bought from him but I'm sure you can findreferences in the archive.Greg________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
My wife once told me:You can have those planes and all that flying stuff oryou can have me!Needless to say I'm single now building my piet in the living room:)Carl-----Original Message-----
My wife once told me:You can have those planes and all that flying stuff oryou can have me!Needless to say I'm single now building my piet in the living room:)Carl-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: jared wilkinson
Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: jared wilkinson
RE: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
You may want to check out www.replicraftaviation.com before you do. I thinkmost of the steel part are already available.Steve (cut my own) e.-----Original Message-----
You may want to check out www.replicraftaviation.com before you do. I thinkmost of the steel part are already available.Steve (cut my own) e.-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting StartedHey CorkyGary here Mandeville La. been working on my Piet for a while now. where are you at in LaGary________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting StartedHey CorkyGary here Mandeville La. been working on my Piet for a while now. where are you at in LaGary________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: Chris A Tracy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting StartedThanks for the inquiry Gary. I'm waaaaay up here in Shreveport trying to get started.Corky________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:10:30 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting StartedThanks for the inquiry Gary. I'm waaaaay up here in Shreveport trying to get started.Corky________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:10:30 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: "Carl Loar"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting StartedThanks Chris from Sacrmento. Western had been suggested earlier. I'll give them a call. Have a daughter living in Calgary. Might just drive up for a visit and bring the spruce back on top of the car. It's only a 4900 mile round trip. Coprky in La.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting StartedThanks Chris from Sacrmento. Western had been suggested earlier. I'll give them a call. Have a daughter living in Calgary. Might just drive up for a visit and bring the spruce back on top of the car. It's only a 4900 mile round trip. Coprky in La.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "John McNarry"
Greetings, I'm a 7AC pilot with a spare A65 and a tube of wood glue. I have beenreading this list for about a month and have subscribed to the Brodhead PietAss. My daughter and I need to get started on a project soon. Where do I geta set of plans and is there a set tech tips available. Doc Mosher set me onthis course. Thank you. Pete Smith Lewistown, MT________________________________________________________________________________
Greetings, I'm a 7AC pilot with a spare A65 and a tube of wood glue. I have beenreading this list for about a month and have subscribed to the Brodhead PietAss. My daughter and I need to get started on a project soon. Where do I geta set of plans and is there a set tech tips available. Doc Mosher set me onthis course. Thank you. Pete Smith Lewistown, MT________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: Pete Smith
Hi Pete Try www:Aircamper.org Richard DeCosta's site has links to the PietenpolFamily and their plans.Have FunJohn Mc----- Original Message -----
Hi Pete Try www:Aircamper.org Richard DeCosta's site has links to the PietenpolFamily and their plans.Have FunJohn Mc----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Pete,,, here's the link for the Pietenpol's web site.http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/plans and manual can be had there.The supplementary plans include the motor mount for theContinental engine,, It also contains the longer fuse plans.Carl-----Original Message-----
Pete,,, here's the link for the Pietenpol's web site.http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/plans and manual can be had there.The supplementary plans include the motor mount for theContinental engine,, It also contains the longer fuse plans.Carl-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Original Posted By: Dmott9(at)aol.com
I have had my plans now for about a year and am finally getting started. I decidedto start building wing ribs because I can do that in my dorm. I started onthe wing rib jig today and am looking for suggestions from you'll on finishingthe jig and starting on the ribs.ThanksWill________________________________________________________________________________
I have had my plans now for about a year and am finally getting started. I decidedto start building wing ribs because I can do that in my dorm. I started onthe wing rib jig today and am looking for suggestions from you'll on finishingthe jig and starting on the ribs.ThanksWill________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "William Rives Young"
Decide on your spar and build your ribs to suit. If I were to build anotherone, I would give strong consideration to the solid 3/4" spar. No glueing,no routing....simple.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
Decide on your spar and build your ribs to suit. If I were to build anotherone, I would give strong consideration to the solid 3/4" spar. No glueing,no routing....simple.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----