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Pietenpol-List: second leaf spring is good
> Pietenpol-List: second leaf spring is good
Original Posted By: "Cy Galley"
Thanks for the input about your experience with the tail spring Mike. I guess that does it....I'll go home and put the second leaf on it. When I weighed my Fuselage last week I set the second leaf on top the tail so I guess I knew deep down that it was going to end up on the plane. Ed G.>From: Michael D Cuy >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: second leaf spring is good>Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:48:02 -0400>>>>Ed G. and others using leaf springs/tailwheels on your Piets. With the>all aluminum homebuilder's special tailwheel I have from aircraft spruce I>tried on leaf at first and it was too weak and slapped around too much back>there. (the steering cables slapped the bottom of the belly.) Our IA had>used leaf and he reasoned that should the first (longer) spring ever break>you have the second leaf to help keep your tailwheel from bashing up into>your rudder. The second leaf was re-shaped (cold in a big old vise like>Bingelis tells how) and drilled (with a masonry drill bit--like the>Bingelis books show--very easy) and made a great improvement over the>ground ride.>>Mike C.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks for the input about your experience with the tail spring Mike. I guess that does it....I'll go home and put the second leaf on it. When I weighed my Fuselage last week I set the second leaf on top the tail so I guess I knew deep down that it was going to end up on the plane. Ed G.>From: Michael D Cuy >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: second leaf spring is good>Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:48:02 -0400>>>>Ed G. and others using leaf springs/tailwheels on your Piets. With the>all aluminum homebuilder's special tailwheel I have from aircraft spruce I>tried on leaf at first and it was too weak and slapped around too much back>there. (the steering cables slapped the bottom of the belly.) Our IA had>used leaf and he reasoned that should the first (longer) spring ever break>you have the second leaf to help keep your tailwheel from bashing up into>your rudder. The second leaf was re-shaped (cold in a big old vise like>Bingelis tells how) and drilled (with a masonry drill bit--like the>Bingelis books show--very easy) and made a great improvement over the>ground ride.>>Mike C.>>________________________________________________________________________________
> > > > Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
Original Posted By: del magsam
> >> >> >Hey Ed,> >> >What is the actual weight of your tail wheel? ACS says it should weigh 5.2> >pounds which is heavier then the Matco at 5 pounds. I would think the > >Heath> >would be lighter.> >> >Chris T.> >Sacramento, Ca> >> >> >Quoting Ed Grentzer :> >> >> > >> > >> > > Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I weighed my Piet ( not GN-1) > >last> > > week. it's just like yours but with pilot's seat belt and harness, aux. > >wing> > >> > > tank, all instruments, trim system and motor mount but no rudder pedals > >or> > > fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a Heath tailwheel and Goodyear > >6"> > > wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed mount for my Franklin ( a > >little> > > heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.> > >> > >> > > >From: "DJ Vegh" > > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700> > > >> > > >> > > >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at > >195lb.> > >> > > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, aluminum> > > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No instruments,> > > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.> > > >> > > >here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completion> > > >> > > >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... -19-03.htm> > > >> > > >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can > >someone> > > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??> > > >> > > >DJ Vegh> > > >N74DV> > > >> > > >> > > >----- Original Message -----> > > >From: Barry Davis> > > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?> > > >Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the framework > >with> > >> > > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.> > > >> > > >We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question came > >up> > > >about weight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take > >scales> > > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on Tuesday.> > > >> > > >Barry Davis> > > >> > > >> > > >>This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for > >viewing by> > >> > > >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more> > > >information on an anti-virus email solution, visit> > > >.> > > >> > > >> > >> > > Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95.> > > https://broadband.msn.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >-------------------------------------------------> >> >> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:20:25 -0700 (PDT)
> >> >> >Hey Ed,> >> >What is the actual weight of your tail wheel? ACS says it should weigh 5.2> >pounds which is heavier then the Matco at 5 pounds. I would think the > >Heath> >would be lighter.> >> >Chris T.> >Sacramento, Ca> >> >> >Quoting Ed Grentzer :> >> >> > >> > >> > > Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I weighed my Piet ( not GN-1) > >last> > > week. it's just like yours but with pilot's seat belt and harness, aux. > >wing> > >> > > tank, all instruments, trim system and motor mount but no rudder pedals > >or> > > fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a Heath tailwheel and Goodyear > >6"> > > wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed mount for my Franklin ( a > >little> > > heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.> > >> > >> > > >From: "DJ Vegh" > > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700> > > >> > > >> > > >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at > >195lb.> > >> > > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, aluminum> > > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No instruments,> > > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.> > > >> > > >here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completion> > > >> > > >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... -19-03.htm> > > >> > > >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can > >someone> > > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??> > > >> > > >DJ Vegh> > > >N74DV> > > >> > > >> > > >----- Original Message -----> > > >From: Barry Davis> > > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?> > > >Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the framework > >with> > >> > > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.> > > >> > > >We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question came > >up> > > >about weight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take > >scales> > > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on Tuesday.> > > >> > > >Barry Davis> > > >> > > >> > > >>This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for > >viewing by> > >> > > >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more> > > >information on an anti-virus email solution, visit> > > >.> > > >> > > >> > >> > > Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95.> > > https://broadband.msn.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >-------------------------------------------------> >> >> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:20:25 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
Original Posted By: "Gadd, Skip"
> > >> > > >> > >Hey Ed,> > >> > >What is the actual weight of your tail wheel? ACS> says it should weigh 5.2> > >pounds which is heavier then the Matco at 5> pounds. I would think the > > >Heath> > >would be lighter.> > >> > >Chris T.> > >Sacramento, Ca> > >> > >> > >Quoting Ed Grentzer :> > >> Grentzer" > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I> weighed my Piet ( not GN-1) > > >last> > > > week. it's just like yours but with pilot's> seat belt and harness, aux. > > >wing> > > >> > > > tank, all instruments, trim system and motor> mount but no rudder pedals > > >or> > > > fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a> Heath tailwheel and Goodyear > > >6"> > > > wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed> mount for my Franklin ( a > > >little> > > > heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.> > > >> > > >> > > > >From: "DJ Vegh" > > > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700> > > > >> Vegh" > > > > >> > > > >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the> link below) weighs in at > > >195lb.> > > >> > > > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3> landing gear, aluminum> > > > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco> tailwheel. No instruments,> > > > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.> > > > >> > > > >here's the link that shows the plane in that> state of completion> > > > >> > > >>>http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... -19-03.htm> > > > >> > > > >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it> should be or not.... can > > >someone> > > > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??> > > > >> > > > >DJ Vegh> > > > >N74DV> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >----- Original Message -----> > > > >From: Barry Davis> > > > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > > > >> > > > >> Davis" > > >> > > > >> > > > >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood> fuselage?> > > > >Without fittings and landing gear or tail> feathers, just the framework > > >with> > > >> > > > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but> without seats.> > > > >> > > > >We have our second steel fuselage welded up> now and the question came > > >up> > > > >about weight. Our regular work night is> Monday and we plan to take > > >scales> > > > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post> the weight on Tuesday.> > > > >> > > > >Barry Davis> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>This email has been scanned for known> viruses and made safe for > > >viewing by> > > >> > > > >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web> hosting provider. For more> > > > >information on an anti-virus email solution,> visit> > > > >.> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low> as $29.95.> > > > https://broadband.msn.com> > > >> === message truncated ========Del-New Richmond, Wi"farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com"__________________________________http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com________________________________________________________________________________
> > >> > > >> > >Hey Ed,> > >> > >What is the actual weight of your tail wheel? ACS> says it should weigh 5.2> > >pounds which is heavier then the Matco at 5> pounds. I would think the > > >Heath> > >would be lighter.> > >> > >Chris T.> > >Sacramento, Ca> > >> > >> > >Quoting Ed Grentzer :> > >> Grentzer" > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I> weighed my Piet ( not GN-1) > > >last> > > > week. it's just like yours but with pilot's> seat belt and harness, aux. > > >wing> > > >> > > > tank, all instruments, trim system and motor> mount but no rudder pedals > > >or> > > > fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a> Heath tailwheel and Goodyear > > >6"> > > > wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed> mount for my Franklin ( a > > >little> > > > heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.> > > >> > > >> > > > >From: "DJ Vegh" > > > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700> > > > >> Vegh" > > > > >> > > > >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the> link below) weighs in at > > >195lb.> > > >> > > > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3> landing gear, aluminum> > > > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco> tailwheel. No instruments,> > > > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.> > > > >> > > > >here's the link that shows the plane in that> state of completion> > > > >> > > >>>http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... -19-03.htm> > > > >> > > > >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it> should be or not.... can > > >someone> > > > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??> > > > >> > > > >DJ Vegh> > > > >N74DV> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >----- Original Message -----> > > > >From: Barry Davis> > > > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > > > >> > > > >> Davis" > > >> > > > >> > > > >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood> fuselage?> > > > >Without fittings and landing gear or tail> feathers, just the framework > > >with> > > >> > > > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but> without seats.> > > > >> > > > >We have our second steel fuselage welded up> now and the question came > > >up> > > > >about weight. Our regular work night is> Monday and we plan to take > > >scales> > > > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post> the weight on Tuesday.> > > > >> > > > >Barry Davis> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>This email has been scanned for known> viruses and made safe for > > >viewing by> > > >> > > > >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web> hosting provider. For more> > > > >information on an anti-virus email solution,> visit> > > > >.> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low> as $29.95.> > > > https://broadband.msn.com> > > >> === message truncated ========Del-New Richmond, Wi"farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com"__________________________________http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com________________________________________________________________________________