Original Posted By: "Gary M. Colwill"
Thanks Gary. speaking of RC planes, I started a new RC project 3 weeks ago.A 25% scale '46 Taylorcraft BC12D.109" wingspan (9 feet!) powered by a 26cc weed wacker engine with 18" prop.About 70% complete and hoping to fly it within 3 or 4 weeks. Just need tofinish the left wing panel and then cover it.pics, if anyone is interested, can be seen here:http://www.imagedv.com/taylorcraft/DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: rc planes
RE: Pietenpol-List: rc planes
Original Posted By: "Ed Grentzer"
DJSounds like a great model. If I could offer a caution....I built a SeniorTelemaster, which was about the same size. The first flight was almost itslast. With the large wing, it had warped just a little bit. When I got itdown I could barley see the warp. Check yours closely and good luck! PS Ihave your Piet picture set as my background, nice color scheme!JackRV8 tail and wings donePietenpol plans, still thinking about starting________________________________________________________________________________
DJSounds like a great model. If I could offer a caution....I built a SeniorTelemaster, which was about the same size. The first flight was almost itslast. With the large wing, it had warped just a little bit. When I got itdown I could barley see the warp. Check yours closely and good luck! PS Ihave your Piet picture set as my background, nice color scheme!JackRV8 tail and wings donePietenpol plans, still thinking about starting________________________________________________________________________________
> > > > > Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
Original Posted By: "Ed Grentzer"
Hi Chris...I know what you mean about shortening the spring and the chances of breakage.....I know I'm going to have to go with two leaves or is it leafs???? I just hate to admit it to myself. The homebuilders special is 15" long by 1/4" X 1 1/2" and has a about a 40 degree bend right in the middle. It would be really easy to copy following Tony B's book and mine looks like it belongs on a Piet just the way it came from ACS. Several years ago at one of Sun & Fun's booths I saw several small used aluminum tailwheel forks that would be perfect for a Piet if they were strong enough. I have no Idea what they came off of but I wish I had bought one just to try, They were really light.... I'm going to seriously look for one this year. Anyone out there know what they might have come off of ? Ed G.>From: "" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: "" >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight>Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:53:41 -0500>>>Ed, For my tail wheel spring I am planing on going to the auto junk yard >and>find two leaf springs about 1 1/2 inches wide by 1/4 inch thick then >follow>the instructions in Tony Bengalis book to build my own. Would you mind >telling>me how long the Homebuilt special is and approximate angle of the bend. I >may>even try to build my own tail wheel (not fully castoring (is that a word?)) >but>I'm not sure about this as I want it to be as light as possible. Wish >Matco>made a 4" tail wheel assembly.>>By the way Mike Cuy had to add another leaf to his homebuilders special >too.>He found the single leaf to soft. If you shorten the spring you will make >it>stiffer and raise the risk of breaking you tail wheel spring.>>Chris T.>Sacramento, Ca>>> Quoting Ed Grentzer :>>> >> >> > Hi Chris...I never really weighed my Heath Tail wheel, I took ACS at> > there word of 5.2#. When it arrived I was a little disappointed, it is >heavy> >> > and way overkill for a Piet. I think it is made out of cast steel> > and it is bullet proof. My plan is to replace the solid 6" wheel with a> > light weight 4" one and lighten the frame and fork by grinding and >drilling> > some lightening holes. I should be able to get rid of a couple of >pounds.> > What did you use for a tailwheel spring?? I went with a homebuilders> > speacial from ACS like Mike Cuy's set up, The single leaf seems kind of> > flimsey so I bought a second leaf but haven't had the heart to add >another 1> >> > 1/2 pounds back there. I'm going to try shortening the extended part of >the> > single leaf that the wheel attaches to. That will take some of the >leverage> >> > off of it and maybe stiffen it up enough so I don't need to add the >second> > leaf but then I won't have the dampening affect of the second leaf.> > Jeeeeesh....light as possible and still strong enough is not as easy as >it> > sounds.> > Jack Phillips....Hope you're doing OKay with hurricane >Isabel...Hopefully> > you're far enough out of her path........Good luck Buddy.......Ed G.> >> >> > >From: "" > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > >To: "" > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:32:49 -0500> > >> > >> > >Hey Ed,> > >> > >What is the actual weight of your tail wheel? ACS says it should weigh >5.2> > >pounds which is heavier then the Matco at 5 pounds. I would think the> > >Heath> > >would be lighter.> > >> > >Chris T.> > >Sacramento, Ca> > >> > >> > >Quoting Ed Grentzer :> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I weighed my Piet ( not >GN-1)> > >last> > > > week. it's just like yours but with pilot's seat belt and harness, >aux.> > >wing> > > >> > > > tank, all instruments, trim system and motor mount but no rudder >pedals> > >or> > > > fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a Heath tailwheel and >Goodyear> > >6"> > > > wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed mount for my Franklin ( a> > >little> > > > heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.> > > >> > > >> > > > >From: "DJ Vegh" > > > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at> > >195lb.> > > >> > > > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, >aluminum> > > > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No >instruments,> > > > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.> > > > >> > > > >here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completion> > > > >> > > > >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... -19-03.htm> > > > >> > > > >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can> > >someone> > > > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??> > > > >> > > > >DJ Vegh> > > > >N74DV> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >----- Original Message -----> > > > >From: Barry Davis> > > > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?> > > > >Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the >framework> > >with> > > >> > > > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.> > > > >> > > > >We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question >came> > >up> > > > >about weight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take> > >scales> > > > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on >Tuesday.> > > > >> > > > >Barry Davis> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for> > >viewing by> > > >> > > > >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For >more> > > > >information on an anti-virus email solution, visit> > > > >.> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95.> > > > https://broadband.msn.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >-------------------------------------------------> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>------------------------------------------------->>________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Chris...I know what you mean about shortening the spring and the chances of breakage.....I know I'm going to have to go with two leaves or is it leafs???? I just hate to admit it to myself. The homebuilders special is 15" long by 1/4" X 1 1/2" and has a about a 40 degree bend right in the middle. It would be really easy to copy following Tony B's book and mine looks like it belongs on a Piet just the way it came from ACS. Several years ago at one of Sun & Fun's booths I saw several small used aluminum tailwheel forks that would be perfect for a Piet if they were strong enough. I have no Idea what they came off of but I wish I had bought one just to try, They were really light.... I'm going to seriously look for one this year. Anyone out there know what they might have come off of ? Ed G.>From: "" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: "" >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight>Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:53:41 -0500>>>Ed, For my tail wheel spring I am planing on going to the auto junk yard >and>find two leaf springs about 1 1/2 inches wide by 1/4 inch thick then >follow>the instructions in Tony Bengalis book to build my own. Would you mind >telling>me how long the Homebuilt special is and approximate angle of the bend. I >may>even try to build my own tail wheel (not fully castoring (is that a word?)) >but>I'm not sure about this as I want it to be as light as possible. Wish >Matco>made a 4" tail wheel assembly.>>By the way Mike Cuy had to add another leaf to his homebuilders special >too.>He found the single leaf to soft. If you shorten the spring you will make >it>stiffer and raise the risk of breaking you tail wheel spring.>>Chris T.>Sacramento, Ca>>> Quoting Ed Grentzer :>>> >> >> > Hi Chris...I never really weighed my Heath Tail wheel, I took ACS at> > there word of 5.2#. When it arrived I was a little disappointed, it is >heavy> >> > and way overkill for a Piet. I think it is made out of cast steel> > and it is bullet proof. My plan is to replace the solid 6" wheel with a> > light weight 4" one and lighten the frame and fork by grinding and >drilling> > some lightening holes. I should be able to get rid of a couple of >pounds.> > What did you use for a tailwheel spring?? I went with a homebuilders> > speacial from ACS like Mike Cuy's set up, The single leaf seems kind of> > flimsey so I bought a second leaf but haven't had the heart to add >another 1> >> > 1/2 pounds back there. I'm going to try shortening the extended part of >the> > single leaf that the wheel attaches to. That will take some of the >leverage> >> > off of it and maybe stiffen it up enough so I don't need to add the >second> > leaf but then I won't have the dampening affect of the second leaf.> > Jeeeeesh....light as possible and still strong enough is not as easy as >it> > sounds.> > Jack Phillips....Hope you're doing OKay with hurricane >Isabel...Hopefully> > you're far enough out of her path........Good luck Buddy.......Ed G.> >> >> > >From: "" > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > >To: "" > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:32:49 -0500> > >> > >> > >Hey Ed,> > >> > >What is the actual weight of your tail wheel? ACS says it should weigh >5.2> > >pounds which is heavier then the Matco at 5 pounds. I would think the> > >Heath> > >would be lighter.> > >> > >Chris T.> > >Sacramento, Ca> > >> > >> > >Quoting Ed Grentzer :> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I weighed my Piet ( not >GN-1)> > >last> > > > week. it's just like yours but with pilot's seat belt and harness, >aux.> > >wing> > > >> > > > tank, all instruments, trim system and motor mount but no rudder >pedals> > >or> > > > fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a Heath tailwheel and >Goodyear> > >6"> > > > wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed mount for my Franklin ( a> > >little> > > > heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.> > > >> > > >> > > > >From: "DJ Vegh" > > > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at> > >195lb.> > > >> > > > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, >aluminum> > > > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No >instruments,> > > > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.> > > > >> > > > >here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completion> > > > >> > > > >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... -19-03.htm> > > > >> > > > >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can> > >someone> > > > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??> > > > >> > > > >DJ Vegh> > > > >N74DV> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >----- Original Message -----> > > > >From: Barry Davis> > > > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?> > > > >Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the >framework> > >with> > > >> > > > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.> > > > >> > > > >We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question >came> > >up> > > > >about weight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take> > >scales> > > > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on >Tuesday.> > > > >> > > > >Barry Davis> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for> > >viewing by> > > >> > > > >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For >more> > > > >information on an anti-virus email solution, visit> > > > >.> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95.> > > > https://broadband.msn.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >-------------------------------------------------> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>------------------------------------------------->>________________________________________________________________________________