Pietenpol-List: Oil Pressure

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:46 pm

Original Posted By: "w b evans"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oil PressurePieters,My IP, TP and I went out this beautiful La afternoon to get a little dual time. Soon after he propped the A-65 : no oil pressure: I tapped on the dial butstill no movement. Sooooooooooooooooooo with cut it off, disconnected the pressure line at the f/w, put it in a jar, started the engine: no oil running intothe jar:I need some analyses. It has about 1 hour since oil change. Engine has not been run in over 2 months. Does it appear that the oil pump needs some sort ofpriming like we used to have to do with the old water well pump down in the country?I sure need some input on this problem.Thanks Corky and Edwin in beautiful 82 degree weather wanting to fly________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:53 pm

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Corky,I remember this happening when my 65 had been rebuilt and on the plane butsat with no real run time. Checked the book for the lube sequence. Prettysure I took the cap off the strainer, and pumped oil in there. That drainedoil right to the gears in the pump like Roux on deveined shrimp

. Thepressure came back , and all has been well since.walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:05 pm

Original Posted By: "w b evans"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil PressureThanks Walt,I'll go tomorrow and Roux that engine and if all goes well. Weather is suppose to be 85 tomorrow afternoon. Who knows what might happen as I taxi up anddown Bluebird field while checking that oil pressure. Have to be safe under allhappenings.Corky in beautiful Louisiana________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:26 pm

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Corky,Keep an eye on that pressure, and if you should break ground, and the treesare getting close, only one thing to do to save life and limb.......Oh well.Today in NJ was great, in the mid 50's in the AM. Climbed out and went intoa warm layer. (climbed like a rocket) Dead smooth, that I flew around infor 1/2 hour. One end of the valley was like going into a fridge, , turnedaround. Flew in the warm till ready to land. Broke down into the cold/gusty bottom to land.ain't life grand!!!walt evansNX140DLPS. talked to my mentor today about my first annual inspection. Gave mesome good pointers. Going to borrow his compression checker, that lookslike a tire guage, with a stem that comes up. He said that it's one fromthe old radials. They had one in each cly. and when they cranked theengine, you could see each one pop up with the turn of the engine.cool!

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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:35 pm

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Got the same thing on my Taylorcraft after a long storage and several guyson the Taylorcraft group said to have someone lift the tail HIGH and pullthe prop through (funny how many Piet fans like Taylorcrafts too). It'shard to lift it too high and amazing how much ground clearance you REALLYhave. Don't forget to make absolutely sure the mags are off and that willprime the pump. I have a slight flooding problem in my hangar and HATEhaving to tear the tail wheel apart to get any suspected water out of thebearings so I started storing my plane with the tail wheel up on a stand. Ihaven't had a single problem with oil pressure since I started doing that(if the water gets up to the wheel bearings on the mains I REALLY get mad!).It seems the 65 Cont really doesn't like being stored with the nose up.Hank----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:49 pm

Original Posted By: Carbarvo(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil PressureHank,Thanks for the feedback. That makes this list worthwhile.Funny, I keep 41CC on a tail stand so others in the hangar can walk without stooping or bumping their heads. Tomorrow I'll try your remedy first before I pull the screen and apply Walt's remedy.Corky still in La________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 8:21 pm

Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil PressureCorky,I used to have a J-3 with the 65 Cont. engine and had the same problem from time to time. I found that by raising the tail before start the oil pump wouldprime and VIOLA!I just had an oil temp/pressure problem with my Bonanza. Five years and 364 hours ago I had one of those high-dollar blueprinted overhauls done by UltimateEngines of Mena, Arkansas. Turns out a wrist pin had worn down, scored a cylinder and piston and the oil screen was full of metal. The oil screen collapsedand the engine is cantaminated with metal (both aluminum and ferrous metal). Guess what? Ultimate says the warranty is no good. They advertise a 2,000 hourTBO and 520 hours unlimited warranty but they say it's only good for one year. Moral of the story? Avoid Ultimate Engines like the plague. Tom Travis________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:13 pm

Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil PressureIn a message dated 11/1/03 5:33:04 PM Central Standard Time, hjarrett(at)hroads.net writes:>I've heard of this method before, here on the list. I always pull 4 blades thru with the mags off, then 'Contact', and my A65 always takes at least 5 or 6 seconds of idling, before the gauge begins to read.Is this normal ? It seams to me that the oil drains out of the pump between engine runs, and takes time to pump back up. Every time I start the engineand run around to the cockpit, I find myself thinking...c'm on...c'm on oil...c'm on oil pressure...any time now...it just seems to take forever.Chuck G.hoping the front stays to the north of Wichita tomorrow.________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:14 pm

Original Posted By: TomTravis(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil PressureIsn't that another B Clinton sideline along with that Mena Medicine Importing Co. from Columbia that the Clintons couldn't remember about. That is the plague.________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:17 pm

Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil PressureThat whole Mena operation is strange.________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:20 pm

Original Posted By: "Graham Hansen"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil PressureChuck,I let it idle about 30 sec without any indication and was hesitant to run it any longer. Tomorrow I'll try the tail high pull the prop thru method. If no result I'll pull the plug and screen, fill it with oil and try againCorky________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 11:14 pm

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Just seems like home to me,Ronnie Wagner----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 11:16 pm

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Corky,Now that I hear it,,,the tail lift method should work fine. Guess the screencavity is so long that it keeps a bit of oil in it. guess the 65 comes witha shot of prime oil supplied! Live and learn. Good idea!! Just because anidea is 50 years old, doesn't mean we've heard of it.walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 2:15 pm

Original Posted By: "Michael Conkling"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oil PressureThanks Pieters,Just pumped a little oil through the flexible oil pressure hose holding it high. Started on the first pull. On idle throttle. Flew great in short sleeve Laweather. Bleed your yankee hearts out.Corky in La flying in a T shirt on 2 Nov________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 4:50 pm

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Corky,Great! Don't want to break your bubble , but up in NJ, yesterday was greatand today was greater!!! Very good shirt sleeve flying weather.Tomorrows predictions are for 80' ish.walt evansNX140DLPS A new seafood place just opened by me. HHHMMMMMM,,wonder if they haveGumbo? ( Gumbo should be capitalized, shouldn't it?)----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 5:14 pm

Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil PressureGumbo should be eaten. To hell with capitalization.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 18:53:26 -0800