Original Posted By: Fred Weaver
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ
Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ
Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ
Original Posted By: "Fred Weaver"
Thanks Fred....... I'll be starting wings this winter now that the Corvairengine is complete. If all goes as planned I may be flying this thing nextwinter.DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----
Thanks Fred....... I'll be starting wings this winter now that the Corvairengine is complete. If all goes as planned I may be flying this thing nextwinter.DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Rick,When you look at a GN 1 you will notice the aft L/G attach point is about 6"forward of the aft lift strut attach point. This is because the Cub gearGrega used is shorter, and the GN 1 has an extra bay in the fuse sides justso there will be vertical members at both the aft L/G and aft lift strutattach points. You can go to DJ's website and see this.The 34 plans have a Cub like L/G, the Flyer and Glider plans have the solidaxle L/G.Skip> do plans exist for the J3 gear? Or better yet J3 style gear adapted to theoriginal Piet >design? Or do you just got out to the airport with a measuring tape andfind a Cub?>Rick Holland________________________________________________________________________________
Rick,When you look at a GN 1 you will notice the aft L/G attach point is about 6"forward of the aft lift strut attach point. This is because the Cub gearGrega used is shorter, and the GN 1 has an extra bay in the fuse sides justso there will be vertical members at both the aft L/G and aft lift strutattach points. You can go to DJ's website and see this.The 34 plans have a Cub like L/G, the Flyer and Glider plans have the solidaxle L/G.Skip> do plans exist for the J3 gear? Or better yet J3 style gear adapted to theoriginal Piet >design? Or do you just got out to the airport with a measuring tape andfind a Cub?>Rick Holland________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ
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I have a drawing that shows dimensions for the J-3 cub gear. I can emailyou off list with those dimensions. I'll gather it up and send it thisweekend.I went with Bungees because my gear is an actual 1943 cub gear and I wantedto use it as is. There is a spring conversion kit that is sold to convertfrom bungees to springs. I have no experience with it so I can't speak ofit's benefits if any.Personally I like using the Cub gear because it's a hefty gear that can beeasily obtained... albeit it's a tad bit spendy if you buy it "new" fromWag-Aero or similar.I powdercoated mine white... I LOVE powdercoat! VERY VERY VERY durablefinish. you can smack it with a hammer and it'll hold up. (to a point)Powdercoating is cheap too.... I had my whole gear done for about $65.note* this message has not been spell or grammar checked and may containcertain red-neckism's that some may find difficult to comprehend.... it alsocontains GN-1 references... read at your own risk. ;)DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----
I have a drawing that shows dimensions for the J-3 cub gear. I can emailyou off list with those dimensions. I'll gather it up and send it thisweekend.I went with Bungees because my gear is an actual 1943 cub gear and I wantedto use it as is. There is a spring conversion kit that is sold to convertfrom bungees to springs. I have no experience with it so I can't speak ofit's benefits if any.Personally I like using the Cub gear because it's a hefty gear that can beeasily obtained... albeit it's a tad bit spendy if you buy it "new" fromWag-Aero or similar.I powdercoated mine white... I LOVE powdercoat! VERY VERY VERY durablefinish. you can smack it with a hammer and it'll hold up. (to a point)Powdercoating is cheap too.... I had my whole gear done for about $65.note* this message has not been spell or grammar checked and may containcertain red-neckism's that some may find difficult to comprehend.... it alsocontains GN-1 references... read at your own risk. ;)DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ
Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ
Original Posted By: At7000ft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJThanks for the info SkipWhat about adding a V strut to the split axle design in the 1934 plans? Probably another religious question but I see so many conventional gear designedwith the V strut that I would assume it is a better, stronger design, opinions?Rick HollandWhen you look at a GN 1 you will notice the aft L/G attach point is about 6"forward of the aft lift strut attach point. This is because the Cub gearGrega used is shorter, and the GN 1 has an extra bay in the fuse sides justso there will be vertical members at both the aft L/G and aft lift strutattach points. You can go to DJ's website and see this.The 34 plans have a Cub like L/G, the Flyer and Glider plans have the solidaxle L/G.Skip________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJThanks for the info SkipWhat about adding a V strut to the split axle design in the 1934 plans? Probably another religious question but I see so many conventional gear designedwith the V strut that I would assume it is a better, stronger design, opinions?Rick HollandWhen you look at a GN 1 you will notice the aft L/G attach point is about 6"forward of the aft lift strut attach point. This is because the Cub gearGrega used is shorter, and the GN 1 has an extra bay in the fuse sides justso there will be vertical members at both the aft L/G and aft lift strutattach points. You can go to DJ's website and see this.The 34 plans have a Cub like L/G, the Flyer and Glider plans have the solidaxle L/G.Skip________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ
Original Posted By: "DJ Vegh"
Rick,My opinion is the V strut is better engineering, don't know the math termbut the triangle is shorter and fatter, so there is better mechanicaladvantage. Also no religious problem, the last two Piets made by Pietenpol,the 2 Corvairs, had the V strut and die springs.Skip>What about adding a V strut to the split axle design in the 1934 plans? >Probably another religious question but I see so many conventional geardesigned >with the V strut that I would assume it is a better, stronger design,opinions?>Rick Holland________________________________________________________________________________
Rick,My opinion is the V strut is better engineering, don't know the math termbut the triangle is shorter and fatter, so there is better mechanicaladvantage. Also no religious problem, the last two Piets made by Pietenpol,the 2 Corvairs, had the V strut and die springs.Skip>What about adding a V strut to the split axle design in the 1934 plans? >Probably another religious question but I see so many conventional geardesigned >with the V strut that I would assume it is a better, stronger design,opinions?>Rick Holland________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ
Original Posted By: dave rowe
Re: Pietenpol-List: CG Check Station?
Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG Check Station?In a message dated 11/30/03 10:35:30 PM Central Standard Time, Rcaprd(at)aol.com writes:>I just opened my own e-mail, and tried 'maximising' the screen, and it didn't work.If you click / paste to a word program, maybe then with some editing, you can get the columns to line up.Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG Check Station?In a message dated 11/30/03 10:35:30 PM Central Standard Time, Rcaprd(at)aol.com writes:>I just opened my own e-mail, and tried 'maximising' the screen, and it didn't work.If you click / paste to a word program, maybe then with some editing, you can get the columns to line up.Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: CG Check Station?
Original Posted By: "dave rowe"
Dave Rowe and Kip,Sounds like you do the kind of flying like in "The Perfect Storm"...Anyway, I would be interested in some yellow cedar and doug fir althoughlengths about ten feet or so are good enough for me. Rough sawn to a3/4" -1" thickness is fine and widths greater than 4". Just a few boards offir, and maybe 15 or so of YC. Is this possible?If the pieters that go to brodhead could get a big order together, you couldship to me in MN as one order and then I could get it to Brodhead for theflyin to be picked up. This might work for Kip.Chris bobkaMinneapolis, MN----- Original Message -----
Dave Rowe and Kip,Sounds like you do the kind of flying like in "The Perfect Storm"...Anyway, I would be interested in some yellow cedar and doug fir althoughlengths about ten feet or so are good enough for me. Rough sawn to a3/4" -1" thickness is fine and widths greater than 4". Just a few boards offir, and maybe 15 or so of YC. Is this possible?If the pieters that go to brodhead could get a big order together, you couldship to me in MN as one order and then I could get it to Brodhead for theflyin to be picked up. This might work for Kip.Chris bobkaMinneapolis, MN----- Original Message -----
> > Re: Pietenpol-List: Yo DJ
Original Posted By: Mike Burr
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in central NC?
Original Posted By:> Mike Burr
Hi Mike,I'm in New Hill, NC, about 20 miles SW of Raleigh. My Pietenpol is in the finalstages of fabric covering and should fly this spring. You're welcome to comelook it over, but might better wait until after Christmas. What with the holidaysnad going to Kity Hawk for a week right before Christmas, this is a busytime of year. Send me an email at pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net.Jack PhillipsNX899JP>
Hi Mike,I'm in New Hill, NC, about 20 miles SW of Raleigh. My Pietenpol is in the finalstages of fabric covering and should fly this spring. You're welcome to comelook it over, but might better wait until after Christmas. What with the holidaysnad going to Kity Hawk for a week right before Christmas, this is a busytime of year. Send me an email at pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net.Jack PhillipsNX899JP>
Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently
Original Posted By: "Mike B."
Mike,This is one of those strange things that go thru your mind whencontimplating building , or any other project.If you were going to take a car apart, you could plan for weeks on what youwould do, and how to do it. But until you know whats inside a car, planningbeforehand is silly,,,cause you don't know what you're up against.The iodea of building efficiently and building to a schedule doesn't workfor me..Thats called "building to fly" and that's a no-no.Any builder will tell you to "build to build, not build to fly" If you'rein a hurry, buy something.I never had a builders log, never punched in and out of my shop. Justenjoyed building, and building till it was done. Now it was four yearslater.If you calculate all your hours, you'll be making about $2.00 per hour tobuild. Like a fisherman keeping track of his hours on the lake, to find outhow much his fish is worth per pound.For every project flying there are probably 3 more in a dusty basementabandoned cause the project took "way too long".Don't know about anyone else, but I looked forward to my time in the shop(well, my 10x20ft basement, that produced 2 airplanes)Tools??? A 10" bandsaw, a drillpress, and a Dremmel tool. :)walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----
Mike,This is one of those strange things that go thru your mind whencontimplating building , or any other project.If you were going to take a car apart, you could plan for weeks on what youwould do, and how to do it. But until you know whats inside a car, planningbeforehand is silly,,,cause you don't know what you're up against.The iodea of building efficiently and building to a schedule doesn't workfor me..Thats called "building to fly" and that's a no-no.Any builder will tell you to "build to build, not build to fly" If you'rein a hurry, buy something.I never had a builders log, never punched in and out of my shop. Justenjoyed building, and building till it was done. Now it was four yearslater.If you calculate all your hours, you'll be making about $2.00 per hour tobuild. Like a fisherman keeping track of his hours on the lake, to find outhow much his fish is worth per pound.For every project flying there are probably 3 more in a dusty basementabandoned cause the project took "way too long".Don't know about anyone else, but I looked forward to my time in the shop(well, my 10x20ft basement, that produced 2 airplanes)Tools??? A 10" bandsaw, a drillpress, and a Dremmel tool. :)walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Mike,A lot of these questions can be answered by going through the archives ofthis list, but I will try to answer your questions FROM MY EXPERIENCE. Yourmileage my vary.If anyone tried to compile a list of all the possible mistakes that could bemade while building a Pietenpol, it would be a long list indeed. Myadvice - don't worry about the mistakes, just don't let them fly on yourplane. I've learned a lot from building my Pietenpol, mostly from themistakes I've made. If I built another Piet, I know I could build a betterplane in half the time for 2/3 the cost of this one. But I wouldn't learnas much.One Piece versus three piece wing? Build what you like - there areadvantages and disadvantages either way. When I started my project, Ididn't have room for a one-piece wing so it was a moot point. Now, I haveplenty of room and if I had the house I have now when I started, I wouldhave built the one piece wing, because it is lighter. Lightness isEVERYTHING in these birds. I've read estimates of up to 15 lbs for thedifference in weight between the one piece and three piece wings. I believeit - those fittings and extra hardware required are heavy and add exactlynothing to the flying qualities of the airplane. The three piece version iscertainly easier to handle during construction, but if you want somethingeasy to handle during construction, build a model airplane.Jenny Style vs. Cub style gear (actually "Cub Style is a misnomer, since the"improved"" Air Camper predates the J-3 by 5 years and even predates the E-2Taylor Cub slightly). Build what you like. Cub style is probably easier tobuild (I dunno, but it can't be much harder than the Jenny Style I built),and probably has better ground handling characteristics. It certainly isthe more popular of the two. I built the Jenny style because I like thelook of it. Either will work well, if properly constructed. Once the basicundercarriage is done with the Jenny style, it is easier to align than theCub Style, because toe-in and camber problems simply cannot exist with thestraight axle.Prebuilt ribs. Building ribs is good practice for the rest of the project.If you don't have the discipline to spend 2 to 3 hours building each rib(and there are only 30 of them) how do you think you'll make yourself do thetens of hundreds of hours of often not very fun work building this airplane?I built one rib a night and in a month had all the ribs built. I wisheverything else on this project had gone so smoothly. I recommend you builda couple of extra ribs and then break them to see how good your joints are.Good for peace of mind.Covering choices. Good way to start an argument, because every builder onthis list KNOWS the process he chose is the best, and everyone else is anidiot. I've covered planes before, with cotton and butyrate dope. This oneI covered with the PolyFiber process and love it. I would never considerusing anything else, particularly after seeing Stit's video showing howfireproof their system is. I've seen dope finishes on a plane burn upbefore, and they go up mighty quick! the only thing I don't like aboutPolyFiber is their prices, but I've got to admit that the quality is there,and I think justifies the price.Engine choice. Obviously, the only logical choice is a 65 hp Continental(what I'm using). Again, whatever you want, just think it through. Don'tmake a choice based solely on price, or you're likely to be disappointed.Don't worry about the "purists". Bernard H Pietenpol built many differentAir Campers, no two of which were alike. He used every engine from a Fordto a Continental to a Lycoming to a LeBlond radial to a Corvair. All werePietenpols. Whatever you choose, get advice from the people who haveSUCCESSFULLY used such an engine in an airplane before. Unless you are areal expert on a particular engine, an untested homebuilt airplane tends tobe a pretty poor test bed for an untested auto engine conversion.Wing Tank versus Belly Tank. Again, as most of these questions are - it's atradeoff. The wing tank offers superior gravity feed, since it is notlikely you'd ever put the plane in an attitude where the carburetor ishigher than the tank outlet. The wing tank also is a pain to refuel,requiring a ladder. Putting the tank in the wing frees up some space in thefuselage for a baggage compartment, but requires more plumbing. The wingtank makes CG control much easier. I don't think either offers much safetyadvantage in a crash.Premade metal fittings. Depends on how good you are, or how good you canbecome at making metal fittings. The problem with premade fittings is thatyou might be making some modifications to the design that will precludethose fittings from even fitting on your craft. Many of the fittings (suchas the landing gear fittings) really need to be custom made to fit yourparticular aircraft. May advice, before starting to build this plane, buythe first two Tony Bingelis books "The Sportplane Builder" and "SportplaneConstruction Techniques". They will tell you everything you need to knowabout making fittings, and everything else you will need to know or learnduring this project.What tool is indispensable? I guess all the metal and wood parts can be cutout with hand tools and made just about any old way. Power tools make iteasier and faster. The only tool that I simply couldn't have built thisplane without is my oxyacetylene welding rig. Started building a woodenairplane because I didn't know how to weld. Pretty soon you'll realizethere is a hell of a lot of welding required on this airplane, and you'lleither learn how to do it, or have to find someone to do it for you. I'drecommend learning how yourself. It's a useful skill, it's not hard tolearn, and there's a lot of satisfaction in completing a difficult weldedassembly.In other words, get the Bingelis books, and then start making mistakes.Pretty soon you will be making good parts, whether ribs or fittings orairframe structure. Just remember that while Pietenpols are a lot of fun tofly, the building process is also fun in and of itself. If it weren't, wewould all be assembling cookie-cutter, look-alike kit planes.Just my opinion, remember.Jack -----Original Message-----
Mike,A lot of these questions can be answered by going through the archives ofthis list, but I will try to answer your questions FROM MY EXPERIENCE. Yourmileage my vary.If anyone tried to compile a list of all the possible mistakes that could bemade while building a Pietenpol, it would be a long list indeed. Myadvice - don't worry about the mistakes, just don't let them fly on yourplane. I've learned a lot from building my Pietenpol, mostly from themistakes I've made. If I built another Piet, I know I could build a betterplane in half the time for 2/3 the cost of this one. But I wouldn't learnas much.One Piece versus three piece wing? Build what you like - there areadvantages and disadvantages either way. When I started my project, Ididn't have room for a one-piece wing so it was a moot point. Now, I haveplenty of room and if I had the house I have now when I started, I wouldhave built the one piece wing, because it is lighter. Lightness isEVERYTHING in these birds. I've read estimates of up to 15 lbs for thedifference in weight between the one piece and three piece wings. I believeit - those fittings and extra hardware required are heavy and add exactlynothing to the flying qualities of the airplane. The three piece version iscertainly easier to handle during construction, but if you want somethingeasy to handle during construction, build a model airplane.Jenny Style vs. Cub style gear (actually "Cub Style is a misnomer, since the"improved"" Air Camper predates the J-3 by 5 years and even predates the E-2Taylor Cub slightly). Build what you like. Cub style is probably easier tobuild (I dunno, but it can't be much harder than the Jenny Style I built),and probably has better ground handling characteristics. It certainly isthe more popular of the two. I built the Jenny style because I like thelook of it. Either will work well, if properly constructed. Once the basicundercarriage is done with the Jenny style, it is easier to align than theCub Style, because toe-in and camber problems simply cannot exist with thestraight axle.Prebuilt ribs. Building ribs is good practice for the rest of the project.If you don't have the discipline to spend 2 to 3 hours building each rib(and there are only 30 of them) how do you think you'll make yourself do thetens of hundreds of hours of often not very fun work building this airplane?I built one rib a night and in a month had all the ribs built. I wisheverything else on this project had gone so smoothly. I recommend you builda couple of extra ribs and then break them to see how good your joints are.Good for peace of mind.Covering choices. Good way to start an argument, because every builder onthis list KNOWS the process he chose is the best, and everyone else is anidiot. I've covered planes before, with cotton and butyrate dope. This oneI covered with the PolyFiber process and love it. I would never considerusing anything else, particularly after seeing Stit's video showing howfireproof their system is. I've seen dope finishes on a plane burn upbefore, and they go up mighty quick! the only thing I don't like aboutPolyFiber is their prices, but I've got to admit that the quality is there,and I think justifies the price.Engine choice. Obviously, the only logical choice is a 65 hp Continental(what I'm using). Again, whatever you want, just think it through. Don'tmake a choice based solely on price, or you're likely to be disappointed.Don't worry about the "purists". Bernard H Pietenpol built many differentAir Campers, no two of which were alike. He used every engine from a Fordto a Continental to a Lycoming to a LeBlond radial to a Corvair. All werePietenpols. Whatever you choose, get advice from the people who haveSUCCESSFULLY used such an engine in an airplane before. Unless you are areal expert on a particular engine, an untested homebuilt airplane tends tobe a pretty poor test bed for an untested auto engine conversion.Wing Tank versus Belly Tank. Again, as most of these questions are - it's atradeoff. The wing tank offers superior gravity feed, since it is notlikely you'd ever put the plane in an attitude where the carburetor ishigher than the tank outlet. The wing tank also is a pain to refuel,requiring a ladder. Putting the tank in the wing frees up some space in thefuselage for a baggage compartment, but requires more plumbing. The wingtank makes CG control much easier. I don't think either offers much safetyadvantage in a crash.Premade metal fittings. Depends on how good you are, or how good you canbecome at making metal fittings. The problem with premade fittings is thatyou might be making some modifications to the design that will precludethose fittings from even fitting on your craft. Many of the fittings (suchas the landing gear fittings) really need to be custom made to fit yourparticular aircraft. May advice, before starting to build this plane, buythe first two Tony Bingelis books "The Sportplane Builder" and "SportplaneConstruction Techniques". They will tell you everything you need to knowabout making fittings, and everything else you will need to know or learnduring this project.What tool is indispensable? I guess all the metal and wood parts can be cutout with hand tools and made just about any old way. Power tools make iteasier and faster. The only tool that I simply couldn't have built thisplane without is my oxyacetylene welding rig. Started building a woodenairplane because I didn't know how to weld. Pretty soon you'll realizethere is a hell of a lot of welding required on this airplane, and you'lleither learn how to do it, or have to find someone to do it for you. I'drecommend learning how yourself. It's a useful skill, it's not hard tolearn, and there's a lot of satisfaction in completing a difficult weldedassembly.In other words, get the Bingelis books, and then start making mistakes.Pretty soon you will be making good parts, whether ribs or fittings orairframe structure. Just remember that while Pietenpols are a lot of fun tofly, the building process is also fun in and of itself. If it weren't, wewould all be assembling cookie-cutter, look-alike kit planes.Just my opinion, remember.Jack -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in central NC?
Original Posted By: "Mike B."
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in central NC?In a message dated 12/1/03 11:23:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, piet(at)pointdx.com writes:> Are there any Aircamper owners/builders within a couple hours drive of > Winston-Salem or Greensboro North Carolina? I'd love the opportunity to > see a real-live Piet and perhaps combine efforts with a local builder.> > Thanks,> Mike.> http://www.skytamer.com/photos/gallery05/g0521.htmSays there is one in the Virginia Aviaton Museum, Sandston (Richmond) VirginiaAlso I believe Gene Rambo has one in Culpepper, VAprobably others around too________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:48:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in central NC?In a message dated 12/1/03 11:23:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, piet(at)pointdx.com writes:> Are there any Aircamper owners/builders within a couple hours drive of > Winston-Salem or Greensboro North Carolina? I'd love the opportunity to > see a real-live Piet and perhaps combine efforts with a local builder.> > Thanks,> Mike.> http://www.skytamer.com/photos/gallery05/g0521.htmSays there is one in the Virginia Aviaton Museum, Sandston (Richmond) VirginiaAlso I believe Gene Rambo has one in Culpepper, VAprobably others around too________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:48:56 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently
Original Posted By: "david kowell"
my favorite shop tools are my 2 speed bandsaw and my 12" Grizzly discsander. I have basically built my entire airframe with just those tools(not counting all the basic hand tools of course)..... ohhh anotherthing... buy LOTS of spring clamps! I got mine at Home Depot for 98 centseach. I must have 40 or 50 of them. There will be times when you will beusing all 40 of them at one time!unless you are planning on buyng raw planks.... a jointer and planer are notneeded. I got all my wood from AS&S and Wicks and it was machined to sizeready for use.DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper________________________________________________________________________________
my favorite shop tools are my 2 speed bandsaw and my 12" Grizzly discsander. I have basically built my entire airframe with just those tools(not counting all the basic hand tools of course)..... ohhh anotherthing... buy LOTS of spring clamps! I got mine at Home Depot for 98 centseach. I must have 40 or 50 of them. There will be times when you will beusing all 40 of them at one time!unless you are planning on buyng raw planks.... a jointer and planer are notneeded. I got all my wood from AS&S and Wicks and it was machined to sizeready for use.DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in central NC?
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i know of a builder in clarksville va----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficientlyPiet-ers, Since we are on the subject of tools, I'm receiving a Rotorzip with the metal grinder and sander attachment, and a 9 inch band saw for Christmas. I had seen a sheet metal nibbler that can cut from 22 to 19g at Habor Freight. Should I invest in this nibbler too? Greg MenocheDelaware ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficientlyPiet-ers, Since we are on the subject of tools, I'm receiving a Rotorzip with the metal grinder and sander attachment, and a 9 inch band saw for Christmas. I had seen a sheet metal nibbler that can cut from 22 to 19g at Habor Freight. Should I invest in this nibbler too? Greg MenocheDelaware ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently
Original Posted By: dave rowe
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficientlySir:May I suggest that you not try to digest the entire building process in one meal. Building a Piet IS nothing more than completing one little task after another. The entire airplane is the sum of many, many completed small tasks. Trynot to think too far ahead. Be patient and complete the small jobs with precision and the big jobs will fall in place.Corky________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:00:51 -0800
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficientlySir:May I suggest that you not try to digest the entire building process in one meal. Building a Piet IS nothing more than completing one little task after another. The entire airplane is the sum of many, many completed small tasks. Trynot to think too far ahead. Be patient and complete the small jobs with precision and the big jobs will fall in place.Corky________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:00:51 -0800
Re: Pietenpol-List: Building efficiently
Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
> Pietenpol-List: Piets in central NC?
Original Posted By: piet(at)pointdx.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in central NC?> > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:04:39 -0500
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in central NC?> > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:04:39 -0500
> > Pietenpol-List: Piets in central NC?
Original Posted By: "Mike B."
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in central NC?> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:40:31 -0500
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in central NC?> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:40:31 -0500