Original Posted By: "Graham Hansen"
Hello, folks;Not sure how things are handled on this list, but on several others, Fridays are sort of "open line Friday". This keeps most days free of hangar talk and sidebar issues, but still allows a day for people to toss out wild ideas or "there I was, flat on my back" stories.So, I'll take the liberty to mention floats, since I've seen it discussed in the archives and maybe there's some interest here. I got a set of plans from MukTuk Floats(http://www.ultralightfloats.com/) for my little M-19 "Flying Squirrel", and have installed appropriate mounting points to allow dismounting the mains and installing floats on some of the same mounting points. To that, you have to add water rudder steering cables and etc., but it isn't a major trick to do straight floats interchangeable with land gear (amphibs are a whole 'nother story). This is coming from somebody who hasn't actually done it yet, but is headed that way... so take what I say with a grain of salt or two! One other slight problem is that I'm still only land rated, but we can fix that too.Anyway, the MukTuk floats are homebuilt wooden/composite floats, easy to build if you've already built a Piet, and can be sized for planes up to 1200 lbs. gross. The Piet fits in there. With a Corvair, dragging a set of floats around shouldn't be an issue at all. Cress Walker, the owner/designer at MukTuk, takes your info on particulars of your airplane and generates a set of plans tailored to your airplane. They include all dimensions sized for your set of floats. You get a construction manual and a set of drawings. He does a good job.More food for thought there. I just don't think I've every seen a Piet on floats of any type...Oscar ZunigaMedford, Oregonmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: floats
Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye
Re: Pietenpol-List: 15 % differential
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 15 % differential
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 15 % differential
Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
Has anyone built floats for the Piet? I was paging through the Flying and GliderManual looking at that design. Are there any other designs out there thatmight be better.Dick________________________________________________________________________________
Has anyone built floats for the Piet? I was paging through the Flying and GliderManual looking at that design. Are there any other designs out there thatmight be better.Dick________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Dick,I am not a float expert but I do know that the ones in the F & G Manual aretoo short. To keep from tipping fore or aft, it is necessary to have a longfloat.chris-----Original Message-----
Dick,I am not a float expert but I do know that the ones in the F & G Manual aretoo short. To keep from tipping fore or aft, it is necessary to have a longfloat.chris-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: "Richard Navratril"
Richard asked:>Has anyone built floats for the Piet?I asked the same question some months ago and the feeling I got is that nobody ever has; however, it certainly looks possible. I have blueprints and a construction manual for a set of homebuilt wood floats, designed by MukTuk floats (http://www.ultralightfloats.com). I wrote to Cress Walker at MukTuk and he tells me that he can design floats for the Pietenpol, no problem. What he does is take his basic design and scale it depending on the aircraft gross weight and a few other factors, then sells you that design with an agreement that only one set is to be built from those plans. Standard type of agreement. The plans are nicely done, and the construction is easy (yeah, I should be talking about 'easy', having never built a set!) He also offers accessories such as water rudders, fittings, and also mounting brackets for some designs.As far as "are there any other designs out there that are better", who knows? There are always aluminum floats and Full Lotus inflatables, but you're talking $$. The beauty of homebuilt floats is that you can save money and have fun building them too.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.nethttp://www.ho ... __________
Richard asked:>Has anyone built floats for the Piet?I asked the same question some months ago and the feeling I got is that nobody ever has; however, it certainly looks possible. I have blueprints and a construction manual for a set of homebuilt wood floats, designed by MukTuk floats (http://www.ultralightfloats.com). I wrote to Cress Walker at MukTuk and he tells me that he can design floats for the Pietenpol, no problem. What he does is take his basic design and scale it depending on the aircraft gross weight and a few other factors, then sells you that design with an agreement that only one set is to be built from those plans. Standard type of agreement. The plans are nicely done, and the construction is easy (yeah, I should be talking about 'easy', having never built a set!) He also offers accessories such as water rudders, fittings, and also mounting brackets for some designs.As far as "are there any other designs out there that are better", who knows? There are always aluminum floats and Full Lotus inflatables, but you're talking $$. The beauty of homebuilt floats is that you can save money and have fun building them too.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.nethttp://www.ho ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
In going through F&G 1931 I also found the Heath Parasol floats which areshorter than the Piet floats but made of wood. I may combine the twodesigns and lengthen them a bit. This would go on my new long fuselage. Ihave decided to dig deep into the pocket and power it with a Rotec R-2800radial ( see SportAviation July 2002 , page 48). If someone can tell me how to do it, I willpost a picture of this fuselage.Dick Navratil----- Original Message -----
In going through F&G 1931 I also found the Heath Parasol floats which areshorter than the Piet floats but made of wood. I may combine the twodesigns and lengthen them a bit. This would go on my new long fuselage. Ihave decided to dig deep into the pocket and power it with a Rotec R-2800radial ( see SportAviation July 2002 , page 48). If someone can tell me how to do it, I willpost a picture of this fuselage.Dick Navratil----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
> The floats appear to be of commercial design and manufacture, and> could be Edo 1320 or slightly smaller. The opposed engine is fully> cowled and it is not easy to determine what make or model it was.When Pete Bowers put his Fly Baby on floats, he tried a set of Edo 990floats -- there is a series of photos in "Air Progress" (?) showing Petegoing inverted (on the water -- it happened just taxing around!) last shotis Pete swimming out from under the up-side down Fly Baby -- it workedgreat with the next size floats (Edo 1070)I remember somewhere that you needed a 50% increase in power to keep thesame performance when you went to floats -- otherwise you ended up with along dramatic "China Clipper" style takeoff!!Mike C.Pretty Prairie, KS________________________________________________________________________________
> The floats appear to be of commercial design and manufacture, and> could be Edo 1320 or slightly smaller. The opposed engine is fully> cowled and it is not easy to determine what make or model it was.When Pete Bowers put his Fly Baby on floats, he tried a set of Edo 990floats -- there is a series of photos in "Air Progress" (?) showing Petegoing inverted (on the water -- it happened just taxing around!) last shotis Pete swimming out from under the up-side down Fly Baby -- it workedgreat with the next size floats (Edo 1070)I remember somewhere that you needed a 50% increase in power to keep thesame performance when you went to floats -- otherwise you ended up with along dramatic "China Clipper" style takeoff!!Mike C.Pretty Prairie, KS________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: "Gary McNeel, Jr."
Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: "Richard Navratril"
Mike C. (the other one) wrote:>I remember somewhere that you needed a 50% increase in power to keep>the same performance when you went to floats -- otherwise you ended up>with a long dramatic "China Clipper" style takeoff!!So use a Corvair! Compare the power of an "original" Ford-powered Piet to the output of a clean Corvair. Should be ample! Not only that, but you can then say you operate a watercraft that also flies, using automotive power.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Mike C. (the other one) wrote:>I remember somewhere that you needed a 50% increase in power to keep>the same performance when you went to floats -- otherwise you ended up>with a long dramatic "China Clipper" style takeoff!!So use a Corvair! Compare the power of an "original" Ford-powered Piet to the output of a clean Corvair. Should be ample! Not only that, but you can then say you operate a watercraft that also flies, using automotive power.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: "John Ford"
I just checked out that muctuc floats web site. Those are very nice. I was thinkingof building a set of wings at SNF this year but maybe floats would be agood project.If anyone else wants to make lots of quick progress on a project, the group atSun n Fun is great and you can meet lots of other builders.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:07:17 -0500
I just checked out that muctuc floats web site. Those are very nice. I was thinkingof building a set of wings at SNF this year but maybe floats would be agood project.If anyone else wants to make lots of quick progress on a project, the group atSun n Fun is great and you can meet lots of other builders.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:07:17 -0500
Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: "Hubbard, Eugene"
Would someone please re-post the web site on mukluk floats. I deleted accidently.ThanksDick N.________________________________________________________________________________
Would someone please re-post the web site on mukluk floats. I deleted accidently.ThanksDick N.________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: "Robert Haines"
Dick,http://www.ultralightfloats.com/Btw, I like both ideas on what to build next S&F woodshop, which do you needfirst.Skip>Would someone please re-post the web site on mukluk floats. I deletedaccidently. Thanks >>Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________
Dick,http://www.ultralightfloats.com/Btw, I like both ideas on what to build next S&F woodshop, which do you needfirst.Skip>Would someone please re-post the web site on mukluk floats. I deletedaccidently. Thanks >>Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: "Gadd, Skip"
Thanks Skip.aaai actually need the wings first, but I remember being a little let downbuilding last time. I looked forward to it for so long and the assemblywent so fast. The floats would be a new challange.Dick----- Original Message -----
Thanks Skip.aaai actually need the wings first, but I remember being a little let downbuilding last time. I looked forward to it for so long and the assemblywent so fast. The floats would be a new challange.Dick----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: "DJ Vegh"
Chuck wrote->Someone from this list had... intentions of building fully>plywood sheeted floats, to match.Not sure if they were trying to scratch-design the floats, but there is an easier way. I bought a set of construction plans for all-wood floats by MukTuk Floats. You give them the info on your airplane (up to 1500 lbs. displacement) and they size the floats for that plane and send you dimensioned construction drawings for it. They have expanded their offerings to include kits too, but I suspect most Pieters will go the plans-build route. Take a look at their website, at http://www.ultralightfloats.com/Happy Thanksgiving, y'all!Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Chuck wrote->Someone from this list had... intentions of building fully>plywood sheeted floats, to match.Not sure if they were trying to scratch-design the floats, but there is an easier way. I bought a set of construction plans for all-wood floats by MukTuk Floats. You give them the info on your airplane (up to 1500 lbs. displacement) and they size the floats for that plane and send you dimensioned construction drawings for it. They have expanded their offerings to include kits too, but I suspect most Pieters will go the plans-build route. Take a look at their website, at http://www.ultralightfloats.com/Happy Thanksgiving, y'all!Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations
Original Posted By: "Eric Williams"
sometimes my temper flares when I hear non-sense... so my apologies in advance.blah blah blah....... you make it sound like all we talk about are GN-1's. Lay-off the GN-1 crowd dude.... we all (GN-1 builders)contribute the the buildingprocess of an AirCamper/Aircamper be it GN-1 or Piet. You imply that GN-1builder are "over-running" this list. Where the hell did you get your numbers??About 85% of the posts here are from Pieters and the other 15% that aren'tare normally not discussing "GN-1 related" issues. Is that your definitionof "over-run"?It's comments like the ones that you make that really tick me off... Sorry ....I know you said your comments were intended to be "helpful" but I fail tosee how they possibly could be.And another thing.... I have no idea if you were insinuating that I am one of the"horn blowers" but I kind of took it that way. (since I was the only one whohas posted videos in the past few weeks) For your information... I don't geta hard-on sending my pics/videos to the list. I do it because I enjoy sharingmy trials/errors/successes so that others can be helped by my experience. I must get 2 or 3 emails a week form other PIET builders who love that I spenda little extra time documenting my progress with photos, videos, write-ups....forgive me if I'm not some hermit reclusive builder who talks/shares with noone.Who made you God and said you can dictate who's Piet is too heavy or overly equipped??Spell Check??? did you happen to see how you spelled "Piet" in your subject line?When your fingers hit the keyboard all that came out was non-sense and Llama crap.OK... I'm done..... (for now)DJ VeghN74DV (a GN-1)www.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----Hooray for whoever put the GN-1 site up, it's long, long overdue. ( I believe thePRINTED and STATED objective for the BPAN and this Matronics site are to furtherPIETENPOL aircraft............check it out, no mention of GN-1's)=This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit .________________________________________________________________________________
sometimes my temper flares when I hear non-sense... so my apologies in advance.blah blah blah....... you make it sound like all we talk about are GN-1's. Lay-off the GN-1 crowd dude.... we all (GN-1 builders)contribute the the buildingprocess of an AirCamper/Aircamper be it GN-1 or Piet. You imply that GN-1builder are "over-running" this list. Where the hell did you get your numbers??About 85% of the posts here are from Pieters and the other 15% that aren'tare normally not discussing "GN-1 related" issues. Is that your definitionof "over-run"?It's comments like the ones that you make that really tick me off... Sorry ....I know you said your comments were intended to be "helpful" but I fail tosee how they possibly could be.And another thing.... I have no idea if you were insinuating that I am one of the"horn blowers" but I kind of took it that way. (since I was the only one whohas posted videos in the past few weeks) For your information... I don't geta hard-on sending my pics/videos to the list. I do it because I enjoy sharingmy trials/errors/successes so that others can be helped by my experience. I must get 2 or 3 emails a week form other PIET builders who love that I spenda little extra time documenting my progress with photos, videos, write-ups....forgive me if I'm not some hermit reclusive builder who talks/shares with noone.Who made you God and said you can dictate who's Piet is too heavy or overly equipped??Spell Check??? did you happen to see how you spelled "Piet" in your subject line?When your fingers hit the keyboard all that came out was non-sense and Llama crap.OK... I'm done..... (for now)DJ VeghN74DV (a GN-1)www.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----Hooray for whoever put the GN-1 site up, it's long, long overdue. ( I believe thePRINTED and STATED objective for the BPAN and this Matronics site are to furtherPIETENPOL aircraft............check it out, no mention of GN-1's)=This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit .________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Apple QuickTime Viewing Problems
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The only thing I can think of is William Wynne's T-Shirts "MY EX WANTED METO QUIT FLYING"Barry Davis----- Original Message -----
The only thing I can think of is William Wynne's T-Shirts "MY EX WANTED METO QUIT FLYING"Barry Davis----- Original Message -----
> Re: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations
Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
"DING!"... Round One goes to DJ.I happen to like DJ's website, and the RC model of the Pieten... uh uh, I mean GN-1 is very cool. The pictures in the construction log are also very helpful.(I'm going to hide behind the turkey now so that other guy doesn't throw stuff at me).>From: "DJ Vegh" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations>Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:58:38 -0700>>>sometimes my temper flares when I hear non-sense... so my apologies in >advance.>>blah blah blah....... you make it sound like all we talk about are >GN-1's. Lay-off the GN-1 crowd dude.... we all (GN-1 >builders)contribute the the building process of an AirCamper/Aircamper be >it GN-1 or Piet. You imply that GN-1 builder are "over-running" this list. > Where the hell did you get your numbers?? About 85% of the posts here >are from Pieters and the other 15% that aren't are normally not discussing >"GN-1 related" issues. Is that your definition of "over-run"?>>It's comments like the ones that you make that really tick me off... >Sorry .... I know you said your comments were intended to be "helpful" but >I fail to see how they possibly could be.>>And another thing.... I have no idea if you were insinuating that I am one >of the "horn blowers" but I kind of took it that way. (since I was the only >one who has posted videos in the past few weeks) For your information... I >don't get a hard-on sending my pics/videos to the list. I do it because I >enjoy sharing my trials/errors/successes so that others can be helped by my >experience. I must get 2 or 3 emails a week form other PIET builders who >love that I spend a little extra time documenting my progress with photos, >videos, write-ups.... forgive me if I'm not some hermit reclusive builder >who talks/shares with no one.>>Who made you God and said you can dictate who's Piet is too heavy or overly >equipped??>>Spell Check??? did you happen to see how you spelled "Piet" in your >subject line?>>When your fingers hit the keyboard all that came out was non-sense and >Llama crap.>>OK... I'm done..... (for now)>>>DJ Vegh>N74DV (a GN-1)>www.imagedv.com/aircamper>>>----- Original Message ----->>>Hooray for whoever put the GN-1 site up, it's long, long overdue. ( I >believe the PRINTED and STATED objective for the BPAN and this Matronics >site are to further PIETENPOL aircraft............check it out, no mention >of GN-1's)>>>>This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more >information on an anti-virus email solution, visit >.>>Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wi ... __________
"DING!"... Round One goes to DJ.I happen to like DJ's website, and the RC model of the Pieten... uh uh, I mean GN-1 is very cool. The pictures in the construction log are also very helpful.(I'm going to hide behind the turkey now so that other guy doesn't throw stuff at me).>From: "DJ Vegh" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations>Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:58:38 -0700>>>sometimes my temper flares when I hear non-sense... so my apologies in >advance.>>blah blah blah....... you make it sound like all we talk about are >GN-1's. Lay-off the GN-1 crowd dude.... we all (GN-1 >builders)contribute the the building process of an AirCamper/Aircamper be >it GN-1 or Piet. You imply that GN-1 builder are "over-running" this list. > Where the hell did you get your numbers?? About 85% of the posts here >are from Pieters and the other 15% that aren't are normally not discussing >"GN-1 related" issues. Is that your definition of "over-run"?>>It's comments like the ones that you make that really tick me off... >Sorry .... I know you said your comments were intended to be "helpful" but >I fail to see how they possibly could be.>>And another thing.... I have no idea if you were insinuating that I am one >of the "horn blowers" but I kind of took it that way. (since I was the only >one who has posted videos in the past few weeks) For your information... I >don't get a hard-on sending my pics/videos to the list. I do it because I >enjoy sharing my trials/errors/successes so that others can be helped by my >experience. I must get 2 or 3 emails a week form other PIET builders who >love that I spend a little extra time documenting my progress with photos, >videos, write-ups.... forgive me if I'm not some hermit reclusive builder >who talks/shares with no one.>>Who made you God and said you can dictate who's Piet is too heavy or overly >equipped??>>Spell Check??? did you happen to see how you spelled "Piet" in your >subject line?>>When your fingers hit the keyboard all that came out was non-sense and >Llama crap.>>OK... I'm done..... (for now)>>>DJ Vegh>N74DV (a GN-1)>www.imagedv.com/aircamper>>>----- Original Message ----->>>Hooray for whoever put the GN-1 site up, it's long, long overdue. ( I >believe the PRINTED and STATED objective for the BPAN and this Matronics >site are to further PIETENPOL aircraft............check it out, no mention >of GN-1's)>>>>This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more >information on an anti-virus email solution, visit >.>>Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wi ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: iet list observations
Original Posted By: "allison waters"
Please lurk somewhere else......we don't need this crap.OK Bert, you're nextBarry Davis - iet Builder----- Original Message -----
Please lurk somewhere else......we don't need this crap.OK Bert, you're nextBarry Davis - iet Builder----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: iet list observations
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Re: Pietenpol-List: floats
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Axle Dissertation
Original Posted By: Christian Bobka
What does that mean?walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
What does that mean?walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----