Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut LengthIn a message dated 12/31/03 5:36:52 PM Central Standard Time, wbeevans(at)verizon.net writes:<< Jm, Mine are to plans. Guess if I had to do it over again, would have made them longer. Corky, yours are longer , aren't they. How does that work out? Know lots of guys made them longer. Can all respond? walt evans NX140DL I know, I myself couldn't get in there. ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length
Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length
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Dale and I made ours 2" longer than plans.Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis----- Original Message -----
Dale and I made ours 2" longer than plans.Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length
Original Posted By: "Ellie & Jim Sheen"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut LengthWalt,Mine are 2 inches longer on 41CC and 2 1/2 inches longer on 311CC.Corky________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut LengthWalt,Mine are 2 inches longer on 41CC and 2 1/2 inches longer on 311CC.Corky________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Corky, Is 41CC your first or second Piet? Has the 1/2" difference been an inprovement? From your experience, which do you prefer? Pros and cons ? I am new to the list. Where are you located? Are there any other readers that are close to Gettysburg? Jim Sheen at Gettysburg, PA ----- Original Message -----
Corky, Is 41CC your first or second Piet? Has the 1/2" difference been an inprovement? From your experience, which do you prefer? Pros and cons ? I am new to the list. Where are you located? Are there any other readers that are close to Gettysburg? Jim Sheen at Gettysburg, PA ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length
Original Posted By: At7000ft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut LengthJim,41CC is my flying Piet and 311CC is under construction with a few mods I felt would make flying a Piet a bit more comfortable and inviting.Am located in Louisiana.Had a great-grandfather visit Gettysburg for 3 days in July back in '63.Corky in La________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut LengthJim,41CC is my flying Piet and 311CC is under construction with a few mods I felt would make flying a Piet a bit more comfortable and inviting.Am located in Louisiana.Had a great-grandfather visit Gettysburg for 3 days in July back in '63.Corky in La________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut LengthCorkyCare to share the modifications you are adding to your second Piet? After reading Pietenpol articles and this archive for 6 months you start to see some kind of patterns emerge in the modifications people make or wish theymade after flying for a while. I assume legal liability prevents anyone from putting the plans into AutoCad, then creating a couple modified plan sets withthe most common mods and additions including:- increase center strut length- increase fuse front length- increase turtle deck height- jury struts- seat and shoulder belt installation- fuselage fuel tank- bolt/nut sizes- etcAlso with AutoCad, once everything is in you can rotate the entire fuselage (or anything else) in 3D and print out perspective views at any angle. That feature alone would save builders weeks to months of agrivation and wasted woodand metal. The completed plans would need to be given to Don of course. Since this idea has been discussed before I assume legal issues prevent it from happening, but that's OK, we don't want to deprive future piet builders the "designon the fly" experience and the hours on this newsgroup trying to figure out where a bracket goes.Rick HollandWorking on mock cockpit and ribs41CC is my flying Piet and 311CC is under construction with a few mods I felt would make flying a Piet a bit more comfortable and inviting.Am located in Louisiana.Had a great-grandfather visit Gettysburg for 3 days in July back in '63.Corky in La ________________________________________________________________________________ ETAtAhUAnFwf5/Y2QhUjsnK9n9ZaEiKjp+kCFBTmeyk8GeW+E/QD8uN+tFXNuvEq
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut LengthCorkyCare to share the modifications you are adding to your second Piet? After reading Pietenpol articles and this archive for 6 months you start to see some kind of patterns emerge in the modifications people make or wish theymade after flying for a while. I assume legal liability prevents anyone from putting the plans into AutoCad, then creating a couple modified plan sets withthe most common mods and additions including:- increase center strut length- increase fuse front length- increase turtle deck height- jury struts- seat and shoulder belt installation- fuselage fuel tank- bolt/nut sizes- etcAlso with AutoCad, once everything is in you can rotate the entire fuselage (or anything else) in 3D and print out perspective views at any angle. That feature alone would save builders weeks to months of agrivation and wasted woodand metal. The completed plans would need to be given to Don of course. Since this idea has been discussed before I assume legal issues prevent it from happening, but that's OK, we don't want to deprive future piet builders the "designon the fly" experience and the hours on this newsgroup trying to figure out where a bracket goes.Rick HollandWorking on mock cockpit and ribs41CC is my flying Piet and 311CC is under construction with a few mods I felt would make flying a Piet a bit more comfortable and inviting.Am located in Louisiana.Had a great-grandfather visit Gettysburg for 3 days in July back in '63.Corky in La ________________________________________________________________________________ ETAtAhUAnFwf5/Y2QhUjsnK9n9ZaEiKjp+kCFBTmeyk8GeW+E/QD8uN+tFXNuvEq
Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length
Original Posted By: "w b evans"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut LengthIn a message dated 1/5/2004 1:06:47 PM Central Standard Time, At7000ft(at)aol.com writes:> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Corky> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut LengthIn a message dated 1/5/2004 1:06:47 PM Central Standard Time, At7000ft(at)aol.com writes:> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Corky> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Strut Length
Original Posted By: dave rowe
Walt and group,Back in the 1960's when I made my cabane (we call them"center section") struts, I didn't know any better and made them according to the plans. Access to the front pit is a bit tricky, but I had welded a step onto the rear tube of the right landing gear leg from the beginning, thus making the process much easier. In-deed, without it, I can't imagine how anyone could manage on their own. There is a technique that one develops early and, if followed, it too will assist getting aboard. Once "in the (front) saddle", the height of the wing above you is of no consequence. And I suspect that a side fuse-lage door would create an enormous improvement regard-ing entry and egress, regardless of strut length. I built a steel tubing fuselage with a door about 10 to 12 inches deep, and sold the project. The buyer finished it, flew it, and car-ried lots of different-sized passengers. He said nobody had trouble getting in or out, even though the struts were the standard length. Of course, he had the step on the land-ing gear leg as well as the door. If I were building another Pietenpol, I would be inclined to use standard length struts and incorporate a door--even with the wooden fuselage, which is a bit more difficult to accomplish than with the steel tubing truss.But most, it seems, choose to lengthen the struts by a couple of inches and, in the final analysis, this is easier than installing a door. Raising the wing will also raise the center of drag, but that doesn't seem to be a problem with the Pietenpol design which tolerates such changes rather well.Something to think about: If you make your Pietenpol easy for very large (and heavy) people to get into that front pit, you may be seriously over-loading a rather small airplane. As the design stands, it has a built-in loading limitation. Extra pounds result in a signifi-cant reduction in performance and operational safety. Most two place lightplanes with similar power are physically larger, having more wing span and area (eg. Cub, Aeronca and Taylorcraft), and they can carry a heavier load. Consider-ing its relatively small size and design antiquity, the old Pieten-pol does very well--but it needs to be flown carefully with heavy loads.Cheers,Graham (Pietenpol CF-AUN, fun flying since 1970)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:17:34 -0800
Walt and group,Back in the 1960's when I made my cabane (we call them"center section") struts, I didn't know any better and made them according to the plans. Access to the front pit is a bit tricky, but I had welded a step onto the rear tube of the right landing gear leg from the beginning, thus making the process much easier. In-deed, without it, I can't imagine how anyone could manage on their own. There is a technique that one develops early and, if followed, it too will assist getting aboard. Once "in the (front) saddle", the height of the wing above you is of no consequence. And I suspect that a side fuse-lage door would create an enormous improvement regard-ing entry and egress, regardless of strut length. I built a steel tubing fuselage with a door about 10 to 12 inches deep, and sold the project. The buyer finished it, flew it, and car-ried lots of different-sized passengers. He said nobody had trouble getting in or out, even though the struts were the standard length. Of course, he had the step on the land-ing gear leg as well as the door. If I were building another Pietenpol, I would be inclined to use standard length struts and incorporate a door--even with the wooden fuselage, which is a bit more difficult to accomplish than with the steel tubing truss.But most, it seems, choose to lengthen the struts by a couple of inches and, in the final analysis, this is easier than installing a door. Raising the wing will also raise the center of drag, but that doesn't seem to be a problem with the Pietenpol design which tolerates such changes rather well.Something to think about: If you make your Pietenpol easy for very large (and heavy) people to get into that front pit, you may be seriously over-loading a rather small airplane. As the design stands, it has a built-in loading limitation. Extra pounds result in a signifi-cant reduction in performance and operational safety. Most two place lightplanes with similar power are physically larger, having more wing span and area (eg. Cub, Aeronca and Taylorcraft), and they can carry a heavier load. Consider-ing its relatively small size and design antiquity, the old Pieten-pol does very well--but it needs to be flown carefully with heavy loads.Cheers,Graham (Pietenpol CF-AUN, fun flying since 1970)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:17:34 -0800