Pietenpol-List: Elevator travel

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:29 pm

Original Posted By: "Mark Blackwell"
Hi guys,Speaking of elevator travel... Last Sept. on the night before I flew mine for thefirst time I invited Frank Pavliga(Sky Gypsy) and Forrest Barber (the ex T-Crafttest pilot and pilot of many flying machines) out to inspect the airplaneone more time with me. As Forrest walked around the plane he stopped and liftedthe elevators. He said "You have too much up elevator, you could get yourselfinto too deep of a stall with that". Frank agreed. I already had a stopon it at around 30 deg. up. I asked how do I know how much and he held it upagain and said "about that much". So I measured it (forget the deg., but Ican measure again) and reworked the stop that night. Wouldn't ya know the fullstall landing comes just before the stop is reached. Same at altitude whendoing a stall. I suppose a careless pilot could get into trouble with too much'up', but it's not like you go flying around moving the stick through the fullmotion fore and aft. If you ever read "Stick and Rudder", Langswieche reallyspeaks of the elevator position controlling the stall. The Ercoupe is stall/spinproof because the elevator up travel is limited, although I flew one thatwould stall because of poor rigging, not good without rudder pedals. I'lltry to get to the airport and measure my "up", although it may be a little differentfor each plane.Don E.NX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:53:45 -0400

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:41 pm

Original Posted By: "walt evans"

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:53 am

Original Posted By: "dwilson"
[To my knowledge there never has been a perfect Bernie Piet. ever built, I've seenmany, Some are close, but not a perfect Pietenpol, Bernie always changed something,how many builders use cardboard for the leading edge ? Allen Rudolf'sPiet was the closest I've seen, and flown. I have a bushel basket full of Piethats, Sure must be fooling someone, As you all have noticed no two of my Pietswere ever a true Piet, But I got credit for the changes, most of the time,at least to my face. I wonder what was said when I wasn't looking ? Most newIdeas keep the Piet basicsgoing, keep up the good work guys.Pieti Lowell As everyone knows, the only way any airplane can genuinely attain the prestigioustitle "Pietenpol Air Camper" is to fastidiously follow the 1932 Flying andGlider Manual. No variations or modifications are allowed. All others arefakes, alterations and copies. I myself, have chosen to unswervingly follow theseplans. Except for a few minor areas (for safety sake) and a few other minorareas (just a small tweek of design to put my own flair on it) and a fewother minor areas (just to modernize it a bit). Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047).> Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0686#200686________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator travel

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:49 pm

Original Posted By: charles loomis
I believe that the elevator travel should be 20 degrees up and 20 degrees down.I intend to incorporate stops into my controls to limit the up and down elevatordeflection. As I recall from a presentation at Broadhead elevator deflectionshall NEVER exceed 30 degrees in either direction.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0732#200732________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:15:40 -0700 (PDT)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:24 am

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Charley,There were a couple of Piet's in Noosa I believe. There are a few beingbuilt in QLD and WA. I finished mine in 2006. You are welcome to come andlook if you are down in Vic.CheersPeterWonthaggi Vichttp://www.cpc-world.com-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:10 am

Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
..actual spelling is "Ernst Kessler"... don't forget, you must do the 'outside loop" if you finish that machine.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 4#329784le, List Admin.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:49 pm

Original Posted By: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:50 pm

Original Posted By: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
I read somewhere that elevator travel should be about 30 degrees in each direction. If anyone knows better, speak up. ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:23 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>From full down to full up my trailing edge moves 23"Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Raleigh, NC _____

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:19 pm

Original Posted By: shad bell
>From the LAA, in the UK (where amateur built aircraft are MUCH more regulated):http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co. ... ER.pdfThey recommend 20 degrees up and 20 degrees down for the elevators.Mathematically, that works out to just over 6" up and 6" down.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 17:14:37 -0800 (PST)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:53 am

Original Posted By: "Jerry Dotson"
Howdy,I am finally down to covering the fuselage,So much for being done by my birthday.Maybethe end of april.dave--------Covering PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator travel

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:33 pm

Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
Dan=2CGutsy. The one that I'm trying to buy right now has a C65 so it is updated a bit. The Continental definately takes away from the Model A's drop dead georgously ugly nose shape. The slant nosed A planes look a lot older and more genuine. But the wing is an even bigger deal I think=2C even if not as noticable to some people. Undesirable traits make up a personality as much as desirable traits. That said=2C if I build one I might put a Cub wing on it and call it something else. I would love to give spruce a try after working with aluminum. Might be cool to see what it is like to come in from the shop with blood remaining inside of me where it belongs rather than on the outside doing me little to no good.Now I just have to figure out wether you were taking a jab at me. =3B)Jonathan Pietenpol-List: True Blue PietenpolTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comJonathon=2CAs everyone knows=2C the only way any airplane can genuinely attain the prestigious title "Pietenpol Air Camper" is to fastidiously follow the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. No variations or modifications are allowed. All others are fakes=2C alterations and copies. I myself=2C have chosen to unswervingly follow these plans. Except for a few minor areas (for safety sake) and a few other minor areas (just a small tweek of design to put my own flair on it) and a few other minor areas (just to modernize it a bit). Dan HelsperPoplar Grove=2C IL.It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here._________________________________________________________________Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share.http://www.windowslive.com/explore/phot ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator travel

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