Original Posted By: =0A Oscar Zuniga
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0AQe??=0A-=0AAl=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: =0A jorge =0A lizarraga =0A To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A =0A Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:56 =0A PM=0A Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 =0A minutes=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A oscar es pero que continues tanbien y disfrutando tus =0A vuelos con tu piet yo estoy casi terminando toda la seccion de la cola y =0A boy ha empesar algunas partes de metal para los horns y attach for =0A cables te agradeseria mucho si me pudieras dar una idea mejor ge como =0A construir una vercion mejor dela palanca de aselerador del gas (turttel) =0A asselerator ho algo asi estas son algunas fotos gracias de nuevo jorge =0A from hanford- y espero cuando my piet este listo para volar poder =0A bisitar ha todoes ustedes tanks bery mauchs--- On Fri, =0A 10/2/09, Oscar Zuniga =0Awrote:=0A
=0A Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:56 =0A PM=0A Re: Pietenpo
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
A couple of connections in this one.Harrison Ford Tribute http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla ... ------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
A couple of connections in this one.Harrison Ford Tribute http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla ... ------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
In response to "flea" (jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com), specifically the question:"Use of cub landing gear means the lift struts don't align with landinggear attach points. Ok why is that bad? Different yes but why is it bad?" It is typical in strut-equipped light plane structures to have the landinggear and the lift strut attach to one really strong bulkhead in thefuselage. Cessna tail draggers illustrate the concept. Similarly, theoriginal Pietenpol landing gear attaches to the same cluster that attachesthe lift struts, front to front, aft to aft. At the point they meet in thefuselage, there is a vertical fuselage stringer and a strong cross piece.These line up with the front and rear of the front cockpit, respectively,and they are very strong parts of the fuselage structure. The GN-1's use of Cub gear puts the aft landing gear attach points betweenfuselage verticals, fairly close to the pilot's feet. A really hard landing,or a high speed taxi into a ditch, might conceivably push the aft landinggear struts through the fuselage. I have no idea if that has ever happened.Mike Hardaway________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:08:50 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
In response to "flea" (jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com), specifically the question:"Use of cub landing gear means the lift struts don't align with landinggear attach points. Ok why is that bad? Different yes but why is it bad?" It is typical in strut-equipped light plane structures to have the landinggear and the lift strut attach to one really strong bulkhead in thefuselage. Cessna tail draggers illustrate the concept. Similarly, theoriginal Pietenpol landing gear attaches to the same cluster that attachesthe lift struts, front to front, aft to aft. At the point they meet in thefuselage, there is a vertical fuselage stringer and a strong cross piece.These line up with the front and rear of the front cockpit, respectively,and they are very strong parts of the fuselage structure. The GN-1's use of Cub gear puts the aft landing gear attach points betweenfuselage verticals, fairly close to the pilot's feet. A really hard landing,or a high speed taxi into a ditch, might conceivably push the aft landinggear struts through the fuselage. I have no idea if that has ever happened.Mike Hardaway________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:08:50 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Ryan, those are good arguments. The thing that attracted me to to the Grega design wasthe recommendation of an experienced builder/pilot. However, as you have pointedout there doesn't seem to be any significant improvements, changes yes,but improvements no. And for the record I never viewed this as a battle, justtrying to answer your questions, and in the process acquire information that Ineed. It is all somewhat moot anyway as the Pietenpol is the only one I can findplans on at the moment. I am sure a set of GN1 plans may surface through oneof the classified ad sites on the web eventually, but the only thing readilyavailable is from the Pietenpol family.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:26:24 -0600
Ryan, those are good arguments. The thing that attracted me to to the Grega design wasthe recommendation of an experienced builder/pilot. However, as you have pointedout there doesn't seem to be any significant improvements, changes yes,but improvements no. And for the record I never viewed this as a battle, justtrying to answer your questions, and in the process acquire information that Ineed. It is all somewhat moot anyway as the Pietenpol is the only one I can findplans on at the moment. I am sure a set of GN1 plans may surface through oneof the classified ad sites on the web eventually, but the only thing readilyavailable is from the Pietenpol family.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:26:24 -0600
Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piet Fly-in
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Why the missing stringers on the turtle deck of the GN is that for a cargo area/mother-in-lawbox. not really the topic I know but was wondering as it jumpedout at me.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piet Fly-in
Why the missing stringers on the turtle deck of the GN is that for a cargo area/mother-in-lawbox. not really the topic I know but was wondering as it jumpedout at me.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piet Fly-in
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Hey Shad,It looks like that weekend would work for me. I think that's the 12th-ish, right?I will check with the boss to make sure we don't have plans scheduled thatweekend. Sounds like a really good time! I'm sure we can get at least 4 or5 Piets.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hey Shad,It looks like that weekend would work for me. I think that's the 12th-ish, right?I will check with the boss to make sure we don't have plans scheduled thatweekend. Sounds like a really good time! I'm sure we can get at least 4 or5 Piets.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
Original Posted By: "skybachs"
Don't forget larger P factor and Centrrifugal forces.Clif To a point....an excessively long nose can be an aesthetics issue, but more importantly can also be a flight safety issue insofar as having to much frontal/side area up front and not enough rudder effectiveness to counteract that. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
Don't forget larger P factor and Centrrifugal forces.Clif To a point....an excessively long nose can be an aesthetics issue, but more importantly can also be a flight safety issue insofar as having to much frontal/side area up front and not enough rudder effectiveness to counteract that. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
Original Posted By: "ivan.todorovic"
GN-1 vs Piet:Sure, there you go, pictures side-by-side. The straight Piet was built off theplans, the GN-1 was recovered from a swamp post-crash.The damage to the GN-1 from a really nice landing (other than the fact it was ina swamp) was:1: Every piece of metal on the airplane was bent except for the engine mount andsteel bracing under the belly between the gear...and one strut.2: The only wood damage was : the seat support and plywood side where it attached,and the instrument panel. Oh, and the rudder horn was ripped off the rudderon impact due to the pilot's feet being firmly planted on the pedals (an argumentfor a rudder bar).Having flown it before the amphibious assault, I found it heavier on the controlsand tighter in the cockpit. There's an inch less shoulder room and the panelis much closer to one's face.I prefer the aileron cable routing of the Piet over the GN-1 as well.As I'm re-building the Swamp Thing, I've eliminated 35 lbs of weight so far. Mostof this is excess sheet metal forward of the rear cockpit, hardware, electrics,monster tailwheel, and about a billion screws.By the time I'm done (Spring), with the 85 hp Continental she should fly much better.THe other GN-1 I've flown was also sort of a pig compared to the Piets from plans.I say keep it light, don't raise the wing, build it straight, rig it square,and (I know I'll get flak for this) put a degree of dihedral in it.We're getting 80 mph with a 65 hp Continental and Hegy prop (awesome prop) withan empty weight of just under 700 lbs (over target by 30 lbs mostly due to theexcessive use of brass).Any doubters are welcome to come on up in May and fly them both to see for yourselves.Rob--------NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/CreamNX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail doneNX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs doneRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
GN-1 vs Piet:Sure, there you go, pictures side-by-side. The straight Piet was built off theplans, the GN-1 was recovered from a swamp post-crash.The damage to the GN-1 from a really nice landing (other than the fact it was ina swamp) was:1: Every piece of metal on the airplane was bent except for the engine mount andsteel bracing under the belly between the gear...and one strut.2: The only wood damage was : the seat support and plywood side where it attached,and the instrument panel. Oh, and the rudder horn was ripped off the rudderon impact due to the pilot's feet being firmly planted on the pedals (an argumentfor a rudder bar).Having flown it before the amphibious assault, I found it heavier on the controlsand tighter in the cockpit. There's an inch less shoulder room and the panelis much closer to one's face.I prefer the aileron cable routing of the Piet over the GN-1 as well.As I'm re-building the Swamp Thing, I've eliminated 35 lbs of weight so far. Mostof this is excess sheet metal forward of the rear cockpit, hardware, electrics,monster tailwheel, and about a billion screws.By the time I'm done (Spring), with the 85 hp Continental she should fly much better.THe other GN-1 I've flown was also sort of a pig compared to the Piets from plans.I say keep it light, don't raise the wing, build it straight, rig it square,and (I know I'll get flak for this) put a degree of dihedral in it.We're getting 80 mph with a 65 hp Continental and Hegy prop (awesome prop) withan empty weight of just under 700 lbs (over target by 30 lbs mostly due to theexcessive use of brass).Any doubters are welcome to come on up in May and fly them both to see for yourselves.Rob--------NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/CreamNX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail doneNX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs doneRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Karetaker aero website link bad
Pietenpol-List: Re: Watch A Night to Thank Harrison Ford
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
a Dan; =0A excellent video.- It really captures the essence ofa typical =0A Piet flight, or at least part of it.I notice that at least one =0A of your lift struts has a splicein it.- I also notice that =0A your airplane wants to make carbice as readily as mine does =0A ;o)Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, =0A TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite =0A at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- =0A -------- =0A ------ =- - - - =0A - - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum -=0A http://www.matronics.com/atronics.com" bsp; =0A - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List =0A Adontribution" =0A target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0 ... A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Watch A Night to Thank Harrison Ford
a Dan; =0A excellent video.- It really captures the essence ofa typical =0A Piet flight, or at least part of it.I notice that at least one =0A of your lift struts has a splicein it.- I also notice that =0A your airplane wants to make carbice as readily as mine does =0A ;o)Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, =0A TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite =0A at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- =0A -------- =0A ------ =- - - - =0A - - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum -=0A http://www.matronics.com/atronics.com" bsp; =0A - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List =0A Adontribution" =0A target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0 ... A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Watch A Night to Thank Harrison Ford