Pietenpol-List: King Training Course

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:06 am

Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course> > Do SP instructors need an instrument rating?> > > >NGB" >> >Dick, I would be interested in becoming a Light Sport Instructor > >someday. I don't have Instrument or Commercial ratings. What would > >you reccommend for a course of action? Do it in conjuction with > >Instrument/commercial or not? Fastest or cheapest way to get it?> >> >I don't plan on making a living doing it, but would like to teach my > >grandkids/get friends excited about flying.> >> >Blue Skies,> >Steve D> >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:35:51 -0800 (PST)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:06 am

Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Do SP instructors need an instrument rating? > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ber is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on -= * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com omebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com http:/r generous support! Matronics List Features Navigator to browse s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com =============------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 12/10/09 07:36:00________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:12:19 -0600

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:07 am

Original Posted By: Matt Redmond
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sort off Topic....but maybe not!> > seems like a good way to blow yourself up with a boiler.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 046#277046> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:35:00 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: King Training Course

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:12 am

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: King Training Course> > Is the commercial even required? in the scenario presented, teaching family andfriends to fly not for profit. Commercial is required > to fly for pay, but would one need to hold a comm. ticket to teach > for free? These are not IFR planes by and large so no IFR is req. > so long as no ifr instruction or flight is conducted. > > That leaves only the 250 hours in type and the written and > practical tests. > > Again assuming that it is to teach family and friends just to > share the experience of flight. Money does of course change > everything, always does.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 047#277047> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:18 am

Original Posted By:> "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" TheCPL and IFR materials are not about the same. TheCPL is > about stick and rudder skills and VFR cross countryplanning and > flying(bothday andnight).The IFR is about the IFR system and > aircraft control by reference to instruments. > > I am notcurrent on what is required to become a Sport Pilot > Instructorbut to becomeCFI the requirements are Commercial and > IFR. If you look at the traditional path of PPL, IFR, CPL, and > ATP you will notice that the sequence isbasic VFR flight, basic > IFR flight, advanced VFR flight andadvanced IFR flight.> > Mike> CFI, CFII, MEI, ATP> > > > > ________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:21 am

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
I'm working on my Light Sport Instructor rating. Does anyone have a recent/current set of the King Instructor/FOI Cds and manual that they'd be willing to sell/rent/ lease? If so, please contact me off- list, please. Thanks, Dick Carden________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:57 am

Original Posted By: Richard Carden
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training CourseDick, I would be interested in becoming a Light Sport Instructor someday. I don'thave Instrument or Commercial ratings. What would you reccommend for a courseof action? Do it in conjuction with Instrument/commercial or not? Fastest orcheapest way to get it?I don't plan on making a living doing it, but would like to teach my grandkids/getfriends excited about flying. Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:06 am

Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Be careful using someone else's King Course, as the newer ones require that youlog in each time to verify ownership...--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:19:53 -0800 (PST)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:43 am

Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:04 am

Original Posted By: dskogrover(at)yahoo.com
Nice article Mike...It's great that you can work with your dad on projects....The plane looks great too..Date: Thu=2C 10 Dec 2009 07:19:53 -0800

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:09 am

Original Posted By:> Matt Redmond
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course> Why?? SP can't fly IFR and most planes they fly don't have the > instruments. I think it would be better to teach SP's to stay out > of IFR conditions. Unless you have the instruments and you > practice, practice and more practice, you need to keep your head > out of dark places and stay out of IFR conditions. A couple of > hours of IFR training will get you killed. If you don't believe > me, check out the NTSB monthly accident site.> Gene> ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:16 am

Original Posted By: Matt Redmond
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: King Training Course

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:17 am

Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course> > That's the next question...> > What aircraft can you legally instruct in and rent? Man, I gotta do > more research into this!> > Wayne Bressler Jr.> Taildraggers, Inc.> taildraggersinc.com> > Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.> > On Dec 10, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Jeff Boatright > >> > It'd be hilarious if a significant proportion of new SPs got their > > training in Pietenpols. We might set the world back 80 years!> >> >> >>> >> Now this I like. 50 more hours, and I think I'll become an Light > >> Sport instructor!> >>> >> How exciting!> >>> >> Wayne Bressler Jr.> >> Taildraggers, Inc.> >> taildraggersinc.com> >> > -- > > ---> >> > Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.> > Associate Professor of Ophthalmology> > Emory University School of Medicine> > Editor-in-Chief> > Molecular Vision> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:47 am

Original Posted By: Michael Groah

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:43 am

Original Posted By: Michael Groah

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:19 pm

Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training CourseNO, But if the materiel is about the same, why not get both at about the same time?A La Commercial and IFR.Steve D----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:58 pm

Original Posted By: "flea"
seems like a good way to blow yourself up with a boiler.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: King Training Course

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:04 pm

Original Posted By: Mike Volckmann
Is the commercial even required? in the scenario presented, teaching family andfriends to fly not for profit. Commercial is required to fly for pay, but wouldone need to hold a comm. ticket to teach for free? These are not IFR planesby and large so no IFR is req. so long as no ifr instruction or flight is conducted.That leaves only the 250 hours in type and the written and practical tests. Again assuming that it is to teach family and friends just to share the experienceof flight. Money does of course change everything, always does.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:09:02 -0800 (PST)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:31 pm

Original Posted By: Mike Volckmann
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training CourseStraight from the EAA website on Sport Pilot:To be a Sport Pilot Instructor you need 150 hours of flight time. In addition tothe flight time, you will need to train with a flight instructor on the knowledgeand flying skills needed to become an instructor. Once your instructor isconvinced you meet the FAA standard for sport pilot flight instructor, he orshe will endorse your logbook to take the following tests. Note that there isno specified amount of training time required. Knowledge Test (written) an aeronautical test based on the aircraft category inwhich you wish to instruct. Fundamentals of Instruction (FOI)- a general test regarding training and learningtheory Practical Test (checkride). The test is a combination of demonstrating knowledge,teaching skills, and piloting skills. Upon successful completion of these tests, youll be a CFI for sport pilot!Commercial is not required to become a sport instructor event if you are paid forit. What does an existing CFI (under subpart H) need to do to instruct sport pilotstudents?Simply stated, a current CFI may train sport pilot candidates, within the category/classlisted on the CFI's certificate, without showing further proficiency.Obviously, you will need to become familiar with the sport pilot rules under61 subpart J. EAA has a 19 page PDF file of the rule you can download or view.Back to me. I have been told that it is possible to be a CFI without the IFR rating, but almostnoone does it. It simply does not make sense for most people. But then youare only a CFI and not a CFII!. Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:40 pm

Original Posted By: flea
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: King Training CoursePer the EAA website, Commercial is not required to make money as a Sport Pilotinstructor! Though I understand most flight schools still want their SPIs to haveit. Blue Skies,Steven D.----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:43 pm

Original Posted By: flea
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sort off Topic....but maybe not!I think the steam concept kind of hit a wall with technology. However the Doblesteam car performed quite well! what alternative fuels would it open up for aviation?Kerosene, Propane, or ?Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:50 pm

Original Posted By:> Mike Volckmann
Now this I like. 50 more hours, and I think I'll become an Light Sport instructor!How exciting!Wayne Bressler Jr.Taildraggers, Inc.taildraggersinc.comSent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.On Dec 10, 2009, at 3:31 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" wrote:> NGB" >> Straight from the EAA website on Sport Pilot:>> To be a Sport Pilot Instructor you need 150 hours of flight time. In > addition to the flight time, you will need to train with a flight > instructor on the knowledge and flying skills needed to become an > instructor. Once your instructor is convinced you meet the FAA > standard for sport pilot flight instructor, he or she will endorse > your logbook to take the following tests. Note that there is no > specified amount of training time required.>> Knowledge Test (written) an aeronautical test based on > the aircraft category in which you wish to instruct.>> Fundamentals of Instruction (FOI)- a general test regarding > training and learning theory>> Practical Test (checkride). The test is a combination of > demonstrating knowledge, teaching skills, and piloting skills.>> Upon successful completion of these tests, youll be a CFI for sport > pilot!>> Commercial is not required to become a sport instructor event if you > are paid for it.>>> What does an existing CFI (under subpart H) need to do to instruct > sport pilot students?>> Simply stated, a current CFI may train sport pilot candidates, > within the category/class listed on the CFI's certificate, without > showing further proficiency. Obviously, you will need to become > familiar with the sport pilot rules under 61 subpart J. EAA has a 19 > page PDF file of the rule you can download or view.>>> Back to me.> I have been told that it is possible to be a CFI without the IFR > rating, but almost noone does it. It simply does not make sense for > most people. But then you are only a CFI and not a CFII!.>> Blue Skies,> Steve D>> ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:04 pm

Original Posted By: Matt Redmond
Why?? SP can't fly IFR and most planes they fly don't have the instruments. I think it would be better to teach SP's to stay out of IFR conditions. Unless you have the instruments and you practice, practice and more practice, you need to keep your head out of dark places and stay out of IFR conditions. A couple of hours of IFR training will get you killed. If you don't believe me, check out the NTSB monthly accident site.Gene ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:12 pm

Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
That's the next question...What aircraft can you legally instruct in and rent? Man, I gotta do more research into this!Wayne Bressler Jr.Taildraggers, Inc.taildraggersinc.comSent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.On Dec 10, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:> >>> It'd be hilarious if a significant proportion of new SPs got their > training in Pietenpols. We might set the world back 80 years!>>>> >>>>> Now this I like. 50 more hours, and I think I'll become an Light >> Sport instructor!>>>> How exciting!>>>> Wayne Bressler Jr.>> Taildraggers, Inc.>> taildraggersinc.com>> -- > --->> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology> Emory University School of Medicine> Editor-in-Chief> Molecular Vision>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:38:09 -0500

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:01 pm

Original Posted By: Wayne Bressler
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Coursehttp://www.sportpilot.org/instructors/about.htmlLook at the link above. It is pretty good. I think a CFI may be able to teach in a certified aircraft to a certain point.After that it must be LSA. I think you could do a lot of learning in a Cessna150 but before solo you would have to switch to an LSA. (I Think, Therfore I am,I think.) If the plane is a certified LSA (and I THINK that includes some homebuilts thatwere registered as LSAs) then you can rent the plane for instruction. IF the plane is an ELSA, then youcannot rent it. BUT you can charge for your time as an instructor. If a studentowns or is loaned the plane (Yes, even a homebuilt) then you can charge themfor instruction.While you can share certain costs of flying. IE both of us fly to a camp in fly-inin my plane, you can legally pay for half of the costs (Fuel, oil, tiedownand so on). I am not sure how it would be if We shared expenses in my plane whileyou paid me for instruction. Or what if we shared expenses and I taught youfor free? anyone know. Just talking, If I could find a one week course where I could get my LSI I wouldjump at it. Blue Skies,Steve D ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:03 pm

Original Posted By: "Dan Yocum"
Dan, for what's it worth, I use duct tape to close off a portion of my eyebrows in cold weather. White eyebrows, white duct tape and no one notices. I would be very suprised if you get your temps up to around 140 when it's below freezing. I see 110 to 115. If you do get the higher temps, please share how you do it with me.Gene in Beautiful sunny Tennessee----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:23 pm

Original Posted By: Matt Redmond
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:34 pm

Original Posted By: Gene & Tammy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training CourseRemember, part of the idea of SP was to return to what a PPL was in the 1950s.Since 1950 they have added quite a bit to learn for the PPL increasing it substantially.Airspace, Communication, Navigation systems, (NOW SECURITY FOR THETSI) and IFR. All a bit much for a guy who wants to take his pietenpol out for a one hour spinor maybe a XC in good weather. If he wants to play with IFR then he needs toget an IFR ticket. Granted there are some of the newer LSAs that would be pretty good IFR platforms(GIven no ice or significant turbulance).SP has done what the Recreational (A useless ticket.) was meant to do but failed.It opens light aviation up for fun flyers. If you want to go further, thenit is a great starting block.Blue Skies,Steve D ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:24 pm

Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
In a Pietenpol????David Paule> .... If he wants to play with IFR....________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:31 pm

Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Elevator trim?? What's elevator trim? Who's got elevator trim? Boy, these modern planes have everything. The reasons you give make sense, but they don't work. Every pilot that gets his private goes thru the limited IFR training and a bunch still fly into IFR conditions and kill themselves. Then what's the answer? I don't have the foggiest. They don't have a test for common sense.Gene________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:15:49 -0500

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:10 am

Original Posted By: Matt Redmond
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:34 pm

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
, December 10, 2009 9:06=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A=0A=0A> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright =0A> Do SP instructors need an instrument raD MAJ NG NG =0A> >NGB" >=0A> >Dick, I would be interested in becoming a Light Sport Instructor =0A> >someday. I don't have Instrument or Commercial ratings. What would =0A> >you reccommend for a course of action? Do it in conjuction with =0A> >Instrument/commercial or not? Fastest or cheapest way to get it?=0A> >=0A> >I don't plan on making a living doing it, but would like to teach my =0A> >grandkids/get friends excited about flying.=0A> >============________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:34 pm

Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > Do SP instructors need an instrument rating?> > > > > > >NGB" >> > >Dick, I would be interested in becoming a Light Sport Instructor > > >someday. I don't have Instrument or Commercial ratings. What would > > >you reccommend for a course of action? Do it in conjuction with > > >Instrument/commercial or not? Fastest or cheapest way to get it?> > >> > >I don't plan on making a living doing it, but would like to teach my > > >grandkids/get friends excited about flying.> > >============________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:25:05 -0500

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:34 pm

Original Posted By: Matt Redmond
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>>>> Do SP instructors need an instrument rating?> >>>-- Jeff Boatright"Now let's think about this..."________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:40 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:34 pm

Original Posted By: Matt Redmond
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>>>>>>>> Do SP instructors need an instrument rating?>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -->> Jeff Boatright> "Now let's think about this...">>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:40:19 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sort off Topic....but maybe not!

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:34 pm

Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sort off Topic....but maybe not!> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>> >> > seems like a good way to blow yourself up with a boiler.> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 046#277046> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:44:52 -0500

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:34 pm

Original Posted By:>> "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>> The CPL and IFR materials are not about the same. The CPL is>> about stick and rudder skills and VFR cross country planning and>> flying (both day and night). The IFR is about the IFR system and>> aircraft control by reference to instruments. >>>> I am not current on what is required to become a Sport Pilot>> Instructor but to become CFI the requirements are Commercial and>> IFR. If you look at the traditional path of PPL, IFR, CPL, and>> ATP you will notice that the sequence is basic VFR flight, basic>> IFR flight, advanced VFR flight and advanced IFR flight.>> >> Mike>> CFI, CFII, MEI, ATP>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:34 pm

Original Posted By: Wayne Bressler
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>>>> > Do SP instructors need an instrument rating?>> >>> >>> > >NGB" >>> > >Dick, I would be interested in becoming a Light Sport Instructor>> > >someday. I don't have Instrument or Commercial ratings. What would>> > >you reccommend for a course of action? Do it in conjuction with>> > >Instrument/commercial or not? Fastest or cheapest way to get it?>> > >>> > >I don't plan on making a living doing it, but would like to teach my>> > >grandkids/get friends excited about flying.>> > >============>>-- ---Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.Associate Professor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineEditor-in-ChiefMolecular Vision________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:34 pm

Original Posted By:>> "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>> The CPL and IFR materials are not about the same. The CPL is>> about stick and rudder skills and VFR cross country planning and>> flying (both day and night). The IFR is about the IFR system and>> aircraft control by reference to instruments.>>>> I am not current on what is required to become a Sport Pilot>> Instructor but to become CFI the requirements are Commercial and>> IFR. If you look at the traditional path of PPL, IFR, CPL, and>> ATP you will notice that the sequence is basic VFR flight, basic>> IFR flight, advanced VFR flight and advanced IFR flight.>>>> Mike>> CFI, CFII, MEI, ATP>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:34 pm

Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>>>>> Do SP instructors need an instrument rating?>>>>>>>>>> NGB" >>>>> Dick, I would be interested in becoming a Light Sport Instructor>>>> someday. I don't have Instrument or Commercial ratings. What would>>>> you reccommend for a course of action? Do it in conjuction with>>>> Instrument/commercial or not? Fastest or cheapest way to get it?>>>>>>>> I don't plan on making a living doing it, but would like to teach >>>> my>>>> grandkids/get friends excited about flying.>>>> ============>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:55:28 -0500

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:34 pm

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do SP instructors need an instrument rating?>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->>>> Jeff Boatright>> "Now let's think about this...">> ber is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on>> -= * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com>> omebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com>> http:/r generous support!>>>> Matronics List Features Navigator to browse>> s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com>> =============>>>>>>>>> *>> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... enpol-List> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com> *>> ------------------------------> - Release Date: 12/10/09 07:36:00>> *>> *>>________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:34 pm

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: King Training Course> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > Do SP instructors need an instrument rating?> > >> > > > > > -- > > Jeff Boatright> "Now let's think about this..." > ber is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on> -= * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com> omebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com> http:/r generous support!> Matronics List Features Navigator to browse> s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com> =============> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 12/10/09 07:36:00________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:47:51 -0800 (PST)