Original Posted By: "Mike Whaley"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlistPeople say that is a normal flight for me! Except this guy is smoother!http://www.franklinairshow.com/Video/Co ... 0Net.WMVHa, Ha, I saw this same type act in the 1970s by a guy named Van White out of Shallowater,Texas. We became friends several years ago. he described this as withtwo more variations. One was a farmer who just bought a plane, the other wasa little old lady who won the raffle and would take off when the instructorhandpropped the plane. Van said that as a result of this act he was the most grounded pilot in Texas atone time. He would do an airshow and get grounded. Then get it cleared up andwould soon be grounded again. Van's daddy flew a pietenpol and one hot Texas day when Van was 14 his daddy wshaving trouble clearing phone lines. His dad landed in a farmer's field and toldVan to get out and find his own way home! Van Later bought an Aeronca C2 bathtub.He said it was so underpowered that his instructor told him he was onhis own after 3 hours of instruction. Check him out at this link.http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/07 ... 7.shtmlYes he is a shirttail relation to the flying Franklin family.He owned at Vtail and a clipped with T craft when I met him. By midfield he wouldbe climing out inverted in the Tcraft. 75+ with a cigar sticking out of hismouth. as he flew by.Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist
Re: Pietenpol-List: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
Maybe off-topic but I'd love to know for sure... can anyone here confirm forsure who did the "Flying Farmer" act in a yellow Cub at Sun N Fun about 3-4years ago? Prior to that, I was unaware that a Cub could actually be yawedaround 180 degrees without changing direction... and then flown backwardsfor several seconds before doing a sort of uphill reversal... all within 50feet of the ground. Sounds crazy, but that's exactly what he did (at leastthat's how I remember it and I don't think I'll ever forget it!)-MikeMike WhaleyMerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com----- Original Message -----
Maybe off-topic but I'd love to know for sure... can anyone here confirm forsure who did the "Flying Farmer" act in a yellow Cub at Sun N Fun about 3-4years ago? Prior to that, I was unaware that a Cub could actually be yawedaround 180 degrees without changing direction... and then flown backwardsfor several seconds before doing a sort of uphill reversal... all within 50feet of the ground. Sounds crazy, but that's exactly what he did (at leastthat's how I remember it and I don't think I'll ever forget it!)-MikeMike WhaleyMerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Re: Prop Making
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Gary:Are you making a prop for a Corvair engine? That's what I want to do, but I've been stymied by my inability to determine the proper blade chord; length and pitch are no problem, but I have no clue as to how to determine the appropriate chord. If you're making a Corvair prop, how did you determine blade chord? (For whatever reason, i don't get the pix that others refer to and they don't show up in photo archives.Best regards,Dick Carden________________________________________________________________________________
Gary:Are you making a prop for a Corvair engine? That's what I want to do, but I've been stymied by my inability to determine the proper blade chord; length and pitch are no problem, but I have no clue as to how to determine the appropriate chord. If you're making a Corvair prop, how did you determine blade chord? (For whatever reason, i don't get the pix that others refer to and they don't show up in photo archives.Best regards,Dick Carden________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Dick,Yes, it's for Corvair, and, Yes, you are right, little is said about thechord. Here's my take:The pitch lines on front and back are established by your math (mine's66x34). As PF Beck says, "...the back of the blades are the mostimportant..." He advises making sheet metal angles for each station so thatthe back comes out the same on both sides.As for the chord; if you make a smooth transition from the hub to the tip,and leave about 1/4" above and below the pitch line (especially in thefront), the chord will form itself, assuming you want it to look somethinglike a wing. Other writers have suggested using molding clay or 'profileguages' to get both sides to be the same at their stations. I'm using theprofile guage suggested by Dan Helsper. His instruction book is also veryhelpful.If you really want some heavy duty reading on home-made props, check out'How I Make Props,' by Alvin Schubert. I think I got it from the EAAwebsite, but it's about 11 MB. I'll email you a copy, if you want.Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(16 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----
Dick,Yes, it's for Corvair, and, Yes, you are right, little is said about thechord. Here's my take:The pitch lines on front and back are established by your math (mine's66x34). As PF Beck says, "...the back of the blades are the mostimportant..." He advises making sheet metal angles for each station so thatthe back comes out the same on both sides.As for the chord; if you make a smooth transition from the hub to the tip,and leave about 1/4" above and below the pitch line (especially in thefront), the chord will form itself, assuming you want it to look somethinglike a wing. Other writers have suggested using molding clay or 'profileguages' to get both sides to be the same at their stations. I'm using theprofile guage suggested by Dan Helsper. His instruction book is also veryhelpful.If you really want some heavy duty reading on home-made props, check out'How I Make Props,' by Alvin Schubert. I think I got it from the EAAwebsite, but it's about 11 MB. I'll email you a copy, if you want.Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(16 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
The Al Shubert book is also available at:http://www.westcoastpiet.com/construction.htmGreg C.----- Original Message -----
The Al Shubert book is also available at:http://www.westcoastpiet.com/construction.htmGreg C.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist
Original Posted By: Mike Whaley
I don't know whether he was the one you saw, but a local pilot here in Virginia, Charlie Kulp, has been doing the Flying Farmer routine in a J3 Cub for nearly 50 years and has done it all over the world, including for the Queen in England. He is an inductee to all kinds of aviation halls of Fame, and was just inducted into a national hall of fame last week in Las Vegas (although I cannot recall or find the exact name of the award right now). In one part of his act, he comes over the field very slowly at a couple of hundred feet yawing from side to side, then he stalls it and does a one turn spin, recovers, and does a loop where the wheels touch the ground at the bottom, then back into the air for a roll before touching down on one wheel and rolling to a stop with the tail still in the air. One time in the 1990's an FAA rep allegedly saw him do the routine at a friend's party in airspace that allegedly was not "waivered airspace" and violated him for "reckless and careless" operation. Needless to say, he had a tough time proving that what he had done was "reckless" or "careless" and eventually gave up.Gene ----- Original Message -----
I don't know whether he was the one you saw, but a local pilot here in Virginia, Charlie Kulp, has been doing the Flying Farmer routine in a J3 Cub for nearly 50 years and has done it all over the world, including for the Queen in England. He is an inductee to all kinds of aviation halls of Fame, and was just inducted into a national hall of fame last week in Las Vegas (although I cannot recall or find the exact name of the award right now). In one part of his act, he comes over the field very slowly at a couple of hundred feet yawing from side to side, then he stalls it and does a one turn spin, recovers, and does a loop where the wheels touch the ground at the bottom, then back into the air for a roll before touching down on one wheel and rolling to a stop with the tail still in the air. One time in the 1990's an FAA rep allegedly saw him do the routine at a friend's party in airspace that allegedly was not "waivered airspace" and violated him for "reckless and careless" operation. Needless to say, he had a tough time proving that what he had done was "reckless" or "careless" and eventually gave up.Gene ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist
Original Posted By: "Gene Rambo"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlistI saw the Flying Farmer do an air show in Lynchburg VA. years ago. His show was the only one that made me scared for the pilots safety. He was so slow, your were sure the Cub would stall. He is a very skilled pilot indeed. The last I know of him he was based at the Flying Circus in Warrenton,VA. I think it was three years ago, I was working close by and stopped by the Circus. He was Driving an old van and pulling his plane. We talked for a few min's and I told him how much he scared me. He told me how much he loved doing what he does and that he was on the way to an air show right then. I don't remember his name, I have a friend who fly's Stearman's at the circus, I know he would know.Howdy________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlistI saw the Flying Farmer do an air show in Lynchburg VA. years ago. His show was the only one that made me scared for the pilots safety. He was so slow, your were sure the Cub would stall. He is a very skilled pilot indeed. The last I know of him he was based at the Flying Circus in Warrenton,VA. I think it was three years ago, I was working close by and stopped by the Circus. He was Driving an old van and pulling his plane. We talked for a few min's and I told him how much he scared me. He told me how much he loved doing what he does and that he was on the way to an air show right then. I don't remember his name, I have a friend who fly's Stearman's at the circus, I know he would know.Howdy________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist
Original Posted By: VAHOWDY(at)aol.com
I fly my Travel Air in the Circus (or used to, not lately) and Charlie Kulp, the guy in my last post, is who you are referring to.Gene ----- Original Message -----
I fly my Travel Air in the Circus (or used to, not lately) and Charlie Kulp, the guy in my last post, is who you are referring to.Gene ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: How to fly a taildragger. from beechlist
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Here is the video of him doing the show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2BPcurREpoRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:16:30 -0500
Here is the video of him doing the show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2BPcurREpoRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:16:30 -0500