Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Working on the fuselage sides and have glued the rear six gussets (top andbottom) on the outside. Just want to be sure I should glue the rear gussetson the inside before joining sides with the horizontal cross members. IE,the cross members will butt up against the inside gussets.Thanks,JackDSM________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Gussets
Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Gussets
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Boy, Jack- it sure looks like it to me. The note onthe side view says "gusset plates on both sides oflongeron", which means the joints are trapped betweengussets both inside and outside. That would mean thatthe crosspieces would butt up against the insidegussets unless you notched the gussets to allow thecrosspieces to butt against the longerons directly. Andthat may be the answer... notch the inside gussets sothat the crosspieces hit solid wood and not plywood. Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Boy, Jack- it sure looks like it to me. The note onthe side view says "gusset plates on both sides oflongeron", which means the joints are trapped betweengussets both inside and outside. That would mean thatthe crosspieces would butt up against the insidegussets unless you notched the gussets to allow thecrosspieces to butt against the longerons directly. Andthat may be the answer... notch the inside gussets sothat the crosspieces hit solid wood and not plywood. Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Gussets
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Gussets
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
The sides are built first with gussets on both sides. When they are stood up and the cross pieces installed, they butt up against the inside gussets and are held in place by their own gussets. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them butting against the gussets. You would gain nothing by notching the gusset, and would instead weaken the gusset which is what is holding the airplane together in the first place. The butt joint is nothing, there is no strength there, you could probably not even glue the butt joint, just the gussets.There is a separate but related discussion going on here about overlapping the gussets. It won't show up or make sense until you start installing small strips between the gussets on the corners of the longerons (for appearance sake as the fabric goes around the outside corners of the longerons) but ONE of the gussets should extend out to the outside edge of the other, doesn't matter if the side or bottom one is it (I think easier to make bottom gusset extend), but if one of the gussets doesn't extend over the other, you have an inside corner the same thickness as the gussets to deal with when installing filler strips.Gene ----- Original Message -----
The sides are built first with gussets on both sides. When they are stood up and the cross pieces installed, they butt up against the inside gussets and are held in place by their own gussets. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them butting against the gussets. You would gain nothing by notching the gusset, and would instead weaken the gusset which is what is holding the airplane together in the first place. The butt joint is nothing, there is no strength there, you could probably not even glue the butt joint, just the gussets.There is a separate but related discussion going on here about overlapping the gussets. It won't show up or make sense until you start installing small strips between the gussets on the corners of the longerons (for appearance sake as the fabric goes around the outside corners of the longerons) but ONE of the gussets should extend out to the outside edge of the other, doesn't matter if the side or bottom one is it (I think easier to make bottom gusset extend), but if one of the gussets doesn't extend over the other, you have an inside corner the same thickness as the gussets to deal with when installing filler strips.Gene ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Gussets
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
OK Gene, I get your point about the butt joint being pretty much nothing for thestrength of the joint. So about the strips at the corners, see the sketches...is this what you're talking about, to make smooth corners for the fabric towrap around the full length of the longerons, including at the framing memberjoints?--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/guss ... __________
OK Gene, I get your point about the butt joint being pretty much nothing for thestrength of the joint. So about the strips at the corners, see the sketches...is this what you're talking about, to make smooth corners for the fabric towrap around the full length of the longerons, including at the framing memberjoints?--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/guss ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: snag time at buildapaloozaGoals for this period were landing gear installation, construct center section structure and begin hardware mounting. As such I have hit snags in all three categories:Wooden gear mount angles don't seem to line up exactly with the lower block bracket at the proper locations such that the gear legs are situated atthe ash cross members. Not too certain just how to make that adjustment at the moment without damaging the legs. Still working on figuring that one outCenter section structure built and still trying to decide to go cut out or flop, progress hauled there for decisionWing strut hardware mounting, trying to locate mounting point on wing spars. Drawing shows a 79 inch distance from the spar to center section joint to the flying strut location. I built the 3 piece routed spar wing on drawing page 5 having no hardware mounting location that I have been able to locate. Drawing page for the supplemental 3 piece wing by V.J Kapler is showinga 79 inch dimension which I can only surmise is the strut connection center hole.Now for the question: on the long wing version listed on DWG page 5 where does the wing strut mount? what is the measurement from the spar root connection to the center hole of the hardware? Does anyone have a reliable dimension? I would have to hate trying to assemble the wing section to the centersection and see where the strut joint falls at the spar to figure it out.What am I missing, other than my buildabapooza goals please advise.ThanksJohn________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Subject: Pietenpol-List: snag time at buildapaloozaGoals for this period were landing gear installation, construct center section structure and begin hardware mounting. As such I have hit snags in all three categories:Wooden gear mount angles don't seem to line up exactly with the lower block bracket at the proper locations such that the gear legs are situated atthe ash cross members. Not too certain just how to make that adjustment at the moment without damaging the legs. Still working on figuring that one outCenter section structure built and still trying to decide to go cut out or flop, progress hauled there for decisionWing strut hardware mounting, trying to locate mounting point on wing spars. Drawing shows a 79 inch distance from the spar to center section joint to the flying strut location. I built the 3 piece routed spar wing on drawing page 5 having no hardware mounting location that I have been able to locate. Drawing page for the supplemental 3 piece wing by V.J Kapler is showinga 79 inch dimension which I can only surmise is the strut connection center hole.Now for the question: on the long wing version listed on DWG page 5 where does the wing strut mount? what is the measurement from the spar root connection to the center hole of the hardware? Does anyone have a reliable dimension? I would have to hate trying to assemble the wing section to the centersection and see where the strut joint falls at the spar to figure it out.What am I missing, other than my buildabapooza goals please advise.ThanksJohn________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
John; are the wing struts already fabricated then, with both ends attached andwelded? In that case, you might be stuck with making the wing strut attach fittingsfit the length of your struts but that sure isn't the easy way to do it.The struts should be made to the length needed to put the wings in proper geometryafter the wings are all complete and on the airplane for fitting, withthe final adjustment made using the fork attach fitting that threads into thebottom end of the struts. There isn't a whole lot of adjustment available thereand it's only used for final rigging, not for taking up an inch or two ofstrut length.On the flop vs. cutout issue, they both have their pros and cons but I like thelittle extra bit of overhead cover that the flop on 41CC provides while othersprefer the little bit of extra overhead visibility that a cutout provides. Less filling... more taste.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
John; are the wing struts already fabricated then, with both ends attached andwelded? In that case, you might be stuck with making the wing strut attach fittingsfit the length of your struts but that sure isn't the easy way to do it.The struts should be made to the length needed to put the wings in proper geometryafter the wings are all complete and on the airplane for fitting, withthe final adjustment made using the fork attach fitting that threads into thebottom end of the struts. There isn't a whole lot of adjustment available thereand it's only used for final rigging, not for taking up an inch or two ofstrut length.On the flop vs. cutout issue, they both have their pros and cons but I like thelittle extra bit of overhead cover that the flop on 41CC provides while othersprefer the little bit of extra overhead visibility that a cutout provides. Less filling... more taste.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapaloozaThe struts are cut to length with no fittings built yet. The flying struts are laminated wood ash and black walnut with metal imbedded at each end and at off center for fitting mount holes and jury struts. Which I didn't even begin looking for their (jury strut) mounting positions on the drawings but I am pretty certain those locations will be another head scratcher.In a message dated 12/31/2009 10:33:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags" John; are the wing struts already fabricated then, with both ends attached and welded? In that case, you might be stuck with making the wing strut attach fittings fit the length of your struts but that sure isn't the easy way to do it. The struts should be made to the length needed to put the wings in proper geometry after the wings are all complete and on the airplanefor fitting, with the final adjustment made using the fork attach fitting that threads into the bottom end of the struts. There isn't a whole lot of adjustment available there and it's only used for final rigging, not for taking up an inch or two of strut length.On the flop vs. cutout issue, they both have their pros and cons but I like the little extra bit of overhead cover that the flop on 41CC provides while others prefer the little bit of extra overhead visibility that a cutoutprovides. Less filling... more taste.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:52:58 -0600
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapaloozaThe struts are cut to length with no fittings built yet. The flying struts are laminated wood ash and black walnut with metal imbedded at each end and at off center for fitting mount holes and jury struts. Which I didn't even begin looking for their (jury strut) mounting positions on the drawings but I am pretty certain those locations will be another head scratcher.In a message dated 12/31/2009 10:33:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags" John; are the wing struts already fabricated then, with both ends attached and welded? In that case, you might be stuck with making the wing strut attach fittings fit the length of your struts but that sure isn't the easy way to do it. The struts should be made to the length needed to put the wings in proper geometry after the wings are all complete and on the airplanefor fitting, with the final adjustment made using the fork attach fitting that threads into the bottom end of the struts. There isn't a whole lot of adjustment available there and it's only used for final rigging, not for taking up an inch or two of strut length.On the flop vs. cutout issue, they both have their pros and cons but I like the little extra bit of overhead cover that the flop on 41CC provides while others prefer the little bit of extra overhead visibility that a cutoutprovides. Less filling... more taste.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:52:58 -0600
Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
John; on jury strut locations, it has been discussed on this list before and theconsensus is that they should NOT be located at the midpoint of the lift strutsbut offset a bit to one side or the other in order to reduce the possibilityof setting up a harmonic vibration in the struts. So the best thing to dois drop a string down from a couple of ribs to where it intersects the strut,pick one that places the jury strut attachment away from the midpoint of the liftstruts, and use that. No magic involved. I don't believe you will find dimensionsgiven for jury struts on any plans that you have. There are some verynice details for different ways to attach the jury struts to the lift strutsbut since your lift struts are wood, you'll need to work out something differentthan most of the details I've seen. Probably the best thing would be tobend some light gauge metal strap to the airfoil shape of your struts in a clampingfashion, holding the jury strut members at the clamping point with a bolt.'Course I guess you could also do what Don Emch and others have done if you'rewilling to drill through your lift struts like this:http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20E ... -----Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
John; on jury strut locations, it has been discussed on this list before and theconsensus is that they should NOT be located at the midpoint of the lift strutsbut offset a bit to one side or the other in order to reduce the possibilityof setting up a harmonic vibration in the struts. So the best thing to dois drop a string down from a couple of ribs to where it intersects the strut,pick one that places the jury strut attachment away from the midpoint of the liftstruts, and use that. No magic involved. I don't believe you will find dimensionsgiven for jury struts on any plans that you have. There are some verynice details for different ways to attach the jury struts to the lift strutsbut since your lift struts are wood, you'll need to work out something differentthan most of the details I've seen. Probably the best thing would be tobend some light gauge metal strap to the airfoil shape of your struts in a clampingfashion, holding the jury strut members at the clamping point with a bolt.'Course I guess you could also do what Don Emch and others have done if you'rewilling to drill through your lift struts like this:http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20E ... -----Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapaloozayup wood has metal imbedded at a location not at the mid point, slightly off the mid point for just that purpose ( I jumped all over that one when it came around). I suspect that time is growing short and that after I get the legs on her shell have to move outside or to a hangar for trial fits. I sure am dreading the expense part of that phase. But there is only so much one can accomplish working in the subterranean shop. Being the ultimate cellar dweller of the aeroplane building community and all. But no hints as far as a hardware mounting location or dimension from the plans as to where the wing strut connects to the spar?Also need the Michael Cuy drawing of the strut to fuse mounting hardware design he came up with too.JohnIn a message dated 12/31/2009 11:09:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20E ... ______Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:42:47 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapaloozayup wood has metal imbedded at a location not at the mid point, slightly off the mid point for just that purpose ( I jumped all over that one when it came around). I suspect that time is growing short and that after I get the legs on her shell have to move outside or to a hangar for trial fits. I sure am dreading the expense part of that phase. But there is only so much one can accomplish working in the subterranean shop. Being the ultimate cellar dweller of the aeroplane building community and all. But no hints as far as a hardware mounting location or dimension from the plans as to where the wing strut connects to the spar?Also need the Michael Cuy drawing of the strut to fuse mounting hardware design he came up with too.JohnIn a message dated 12/31/2009 11:09:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20E ... ______Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:42:47 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
On both the one piece and 3-piece wing drawings only the center hole of the strutfitting is shown with a dimension.On the 3-piece wing the center hole for the wing strut fitting is 79 inches FROMTHE END OF THE WING SPAR. On the One piece wing the center hole for the wing strut fitting is measured FROMTHE CENTER STRUT FITTING and is 81 7/8 inches from it.Dont know what you mean by Long Wing version, unless you mean the one piece wing.If so see above.Jury struts are not shown on any of the plans but should be used. Dont put themmid span of the flying strut. They should be off center. Most seem to be offsettoward the wing tip. As for the landing gear, I am really confused about your problem. I guess I justdont understand what youre trying to say. Hopefully youre not making parts based on the plans then thinking they will fit.The plans and your ability to build to them are not that accurate. Alwayscheck to see what you need the part to be before building it or you too will havea box of parts that dont fit quite right. I keep thinking I should builda wind chime out of mine.Chris--------Chris TracySacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
On both the one piece and 3-piece wing drawings only the center hole of the strutfitting is shown with a dimension.On the 3-piece wing the center hole for the wing strut fitting is 79 inches FROMTHE END OF THE WING SPAR. On the One piece wing the center hole for the wing strut fitting is measured FROMTHE CENTER STRUT FITTING and is 81 7/8 inches from it.Dont know what you mean by Long Wing version, unless you mean the one piece wing.If so see above.Jury struts are not shown on any of the plans but should be used. Dont put themmid span of the flying strut. They should be off center. Most seem to be offsettoward the wing tip. As for the landing gear, I am really confused about your problem. I guess I justdont understand what youre trying to say. Hopefully youre not making parts based on the plans then thinking they will fit.The plans and your ability to build to them are not that accurate. Alwayscheck to see what you need the part to be before building it or you too will havea box of parts that dont fit quite right. I keep thinking I should builda wind chime out of mine.Chris--------Chris TracySacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: snag time at buildapalooza
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at 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________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:08:06 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: snag time at buildapalooza
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at 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________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:08:06 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: snag time at buildapalooza
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Re: Pietenpol-List: snag time at buildapalooza
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: snag time at buildapalooza
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: snag time at buildapalooza
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Jeff; I was going to say the same thing about the beautiful workmanship on Rick'sairplane until I noticed that he had a little problem with the first set ofholes on the piano hinges. One set of screws hit right on a rib and he had tomake new holes, offset to the other sides of the ribs. Tsk, tsk... this ruinshis chances at a Lindy Award or Golden Hammer for sure ;o)He will be very welcome in my club, though. If any of you remember the old "Exit,Laughing" column that Ed Zern wrote for Field & Stream magazine many yearsago, he concocted the Madison Avenue Rod, Gun, Bloody Mary & Laborador RetrieverBenevolent Association (MARGBM&LRBA). Along those lines, I've decided to callmy club the "Brodhead Stripped Thread, Smashed Thumb, Ground Loop, Paint Sag& Run Club", or BSTSTGLPS&RC for short. Rick will be very welcome there unlesshe replaces those piano hinges with new ones that are perfectly drilled withno extra holes.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:26:09 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Jeff; I was going to say the same thing about the beautiful workmanship on Rick'sairplane until I noticed that he had a little problem with the first set ofholes on the piano hinges. One set of screws hit right on a rib and he had tomake new holes, offset to the other sides of the ribs. Tsk, tsk... this ruinshis chances at a Lindy Award or Golden Hammer for sure ;o)He will be very welcome in my club, though. If any of you remember the old "Exit,Laughing" column that Ed Zern wrote for Field & Stream magazine many yearsago, he concocted the Madison Avenue Rod, Gun, Bloody Mary & Laborador RetrieverBenevolent Association (MARGBM&LRBA). Along those lines, I've decided to callmy club the "Brodhead Stripped Thread, Smashed Thumb, Ground Loop, Paint Sag& Run Club", or BSTSTGLPS&RC for short. Rick will be very welcome there unlesshe replaces those piano hinges with new ones that are perfectly drilled withno extra holes.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:26:09 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: snag time at buildapalooza