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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: "w b evans"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress ToolChris,Try your local EAA chapter. They sometimes have loaners. Tom Travis________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress ToolChris,Try your local EAA chapter. They sometimes have loaners. Tom Travis________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
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Just my input to say that the "economy" version works fine. Did twoprojects with one. Just have to make sure the threads are lubed.sometimes they are better because some of the cables have to be swaged in atight spot in the plane.Like any swage tool, make sure you check the crimps with the go/no godimension that is given with the tool. Never had a bad one with the cheapone.walt evans----- Original Message -----
Just my input to say that the "economy" version works fine. Did twoprojects with one. Just have to make sure the threads are lubed.sometimes they are better because some of the cables have to be swaged in atight spot in the plane.Like any swage tool, make sure you check the crimps with the go/no godimension that is given with the tool. Never had a bad one with the cheapone.walt evans----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
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Go to your local EAA chapter and ask around. Many Chapters have a toollibrary. Or do a mechanics search on the landings. I found over 100 and thatis just thru the "Cs".Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, OshkoshEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.orgAlways looking for articles for the Experimenter----- Original Message -----
Go to your local EAA chapter and ask around. Many Chapters have a toollibrary. Or do a mechanics search on the landings. I found over 100 and thatis just thru the "Cs".Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, OshkoshEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.orgAlways looking for articles for the Experimenter----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: Stefan Vorkoetter
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
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Chris,,, If you have a Tractor Supply Co. near you,, they have a press thatwill work great just like the one for 150 plus dollars for about 50 bucks.It will press three sizes and they just happen to be the ones you need. Itdoesn't have cutters on it but what the hey. Check it out.Carl----- Original Message -----
Chris,,, If you have a Tractor Supply Co. near you,, they have a press thatwill work great just like the one for 150 plus dollars for about 50 bucks.It will press three sizes and they just happen to be the ones you need. Itdoesn't have cutters on it but what the hey. Check it out.Carl----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
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>>Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on their Piet>anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the >humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time of year. I>was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 degrees in>the garage at ten o'clock at night.>>A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started blocking access >to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding solutions>to >problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh don't talk to >loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search turned up a >Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 dollars. It >works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it works on >stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) for Feeney >Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock hand swagger>(also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to 1/8" so it>will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I believe the plans>call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables).>>If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of it my ears>are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works.>>I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables assemblies prior>to use. How do I do this?>>Chris >Sacramento, CA>>>------------------------------------------------->>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:11:07 -0500
>>Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on their Piet>anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the >humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time of year. I>was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 degrees in>the garage at ten o'clock at night.>>A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started blocking access >to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding solutions>to >problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh don't talk to >loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search turned up a >Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 dollars. It >works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it works on >stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) for Feeney >Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock hand swagger>(also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to 1/8" so it>will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I believe the plans>call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables).>>If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of it my ears>are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works.>>I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables assemblies prior>to use. How do I do this?>>Chris >Sacramento, CA>>>------------------------------------------------->>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:11:07 -0500
Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
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Chris,,, I got one from Tractor Supply Co for about 60 bucks. Not sure if itis the same brand butsure sounds the same. Mine works on 1/16, 3/32 and 1/8. It will squishstainless just as good asbrass.Carl----- Original Message -----
Chris,,, I got one from Tractor Supply Co for about 60 bucks. Not sure if itis the same brand butsure sounds the same. Mine works on 1/16, 3/32 and 1/8. It will squishstainless just as good asbrass.Carl----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: catdesign(at)intergate.com
you can make a testing fixture for your cables from some 4130 steel tubing.Using some simple math you can make a fulcrum/lever that has one end attached tothe cable and the other you will hang weight from.if you make the small arm 6" and the long side 2.5' you have a 5:1 lever. put100lb on the long side you're applying 500lb on the cable. You only need to testthe cable to 60% as I recall.This jig works good on smaller cables like cabane cables since you don't have tohave the jig elevated very high. I'm not sure how you would do longer controlcables or drag anti drag strut wires.Of course if you have a hangar with high ceilings and steel rafters I suppose youcould hang the cables from a rafter and then attach weight to them somehow. ----- Original Message -----
you can make a testing fixture for your cables from some 4130 steel tubing.Using some simple math you can make a fulcrum/lever that has one end attached tothe cable and the other you will hang weight from.if you make the small arm 6" and the long side 2.5' you have a 5:1 lever. put100lb on the long side you're applying 500lb on the cable. You only need to testthe cable to 60% as I recall.This jig works good on smaller cables like cabane cables since you don't have tohave the jig elevated very high. I'm not sure how you would do longer controlcables or drag anti drag strut wires.Of course if you have a hangar with high ceilings and steel rafters I suppose youcould hang the cables from a rafter and then attach weight to them somehow. ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: Carl Loar
I just got my tool on ebay last week for $90. It does 1/16 to 5/32. It is anauthentic Niocpress tool. It works great!Never underestimate the power of ebay :-)DJ ----- Original Message -----
I just got my tool on ebay last week for $90. It does 1/16 to 5/32. It is anauthentic Niocpress tool. It works great!Never underestimate the power of ebay :-)DJ ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
Greg also meant to add that the testing rig's jack was calibrated using somescales in an arbor press.Chris Bobka----- Original Message -----
Greg also meant to add that the testing rig's jack was calibrated using somescales in an arbor press.Chris Bobka----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: "Gary McNeel, Jr."
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
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All nico press sleeves are copper. They may be plated. Check AC 43-13.1BCy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, OshkoshEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.orgAlways looking for articles for the Experimenter----- Original Message -----
All nico press sleeves are copper. They may be plated. Check AC 43-13.1BCy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, OshkoshEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.orgAlways looking for articles for the Experimenter----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: "Cy Galley"
No, The sleeves supplied with my Fisher 404 were aluminum, the same, Iguess, that are at Home Depot.Now the sleeves from AS&S were all brass, some plated , some not. Used theplated ones out of sight, and the brass ones out where the antiqueadmirerers could see.walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----
No, The sleeves supplied with my Fisher 404 were aluminum, the same, Iguess, that are at Home Depot.Now the sleeves from AS&S were all brass, some plated , some not. Used theplated ones out of sight, and the brass ones out where the antiqueadmirerers could see.walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: "w b evans"
From AC 43-13 b. Nicopress Process. A patented process using copper sleeves may be used upto the full rated strength of the cable when the cable is looped around a thimble.This process may also be used in place of the five-tuck splice onPage 7-32Par 7-148cables up to and including 3/8 inch diameter. The use of sleeves that are fabricatedof materials other than copper will require engineering approval for thespecific application by the FAA.Your ultralight and experimental can use aluminum but the FAA does not permit itfor certified planes. Why take the chance?Cy GalleyEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org----- Original Message -----
From AC 43-13 b. Nicopress Process. A patented process using copper sleeves may be used upto the full rated strength of the cable when the cable is looped around a thimble.This process may also be used in place of the five-tuck splice onPage 7-32Par 7-148cables up to and including 3/8 inch diameter. The use of sleeves that are fabricatedof materials other than copper will require engineering approval for thespecific application by the FAA.Your ultralight and experimental can use aluminum but the FAA does not permit itfor certified planes. Why take the chance?Cy GalleyEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool (diferent sleeves)
Original Posted By: "Gary Gower"
Again AC 43-13 says that you must use plated sleeves on Stainless cablebecause of corrosion due to electrolysis. It isn't very obvious but the infois at the bottom of a table with a "Splat" (*) as the English would say.Cy GalleyEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org----- Original Message -----
Again AC 43-13 says that you must use plated sleeves on Stainless cablebecause of corrosion due to electrolysis. It isn't very obvious but the infois at the bottom of a table with a "Splat" (*) as the English would say.Cy GalleyEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "D.Dale Johnson"
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Below is a link to the tool I bought. It works great. $25 online at Ebay,brand new. I just can't find it online again. Sorry.Campbell p/n is 7679037.http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoG ... --Original Message-----
Below is a link to the tool I bought. It works great. $25 online at Ebay,brand new. I just can't find it online again. Sorry.Campbell p/n is 7679037.http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoG ... --Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: clif
Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: "Jerry Dotson"
Last week I borrowed a Nicopress tool from a fellow builder in order to fabricatemy drag/anti-drag cables. With minimal practice, making these splices wasa relatively easy task. I have returned the tool because someone else was waitingto borrow them, but I have been considering purchasing a pair of my own.As we all know, these tools can be quite expensive, but I've read several recommendationson the Lowes and Home Depot models. I was skeptical at first becausethese items are not the same "Made in the USA" quality found in an authenticNicopress tool, but for $28, I figured I'd give em a try. I found a thread from this list that was posted back in 2003 by DJ Vegh and followed up by Chris Bopka, Cy Galley and others (see it here http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenp ... -07-13.txt). In that thread, they discussed the GO measurements found in a Nicopress gauge. They are listed as...Size - Range (Chris Bopka posted as found in EAA Aircraft Volume One File Number6 on Aircraft Homebuilding Tips, page 34)1/16" sleeve - .190-.195" go dimension3/32" sleeve - .255-.265" go dimension1/8" sleeve - .343-.353" go dimension5/32" sleeve - .380-.390" go dimensionUsing the Home Depot tool straight off the shelf, my first crimp on a 1/8" cable/sleevecombo was .318" (way too tight). After a minor adjustment, my secondcrimp was .355" (slightly too big). Another adjustment and I was able to squeezea .345" crimp. I grabbed another sleeve and proceeded to squeeze 3 morecrimps right around .345" (+/- .0005") as measured with my calipers (see photobelow). My question is... if I can consistently crimp sleeves to these dimensions withthe $28 tool, can anyone give a good argument as to why I shouldn't use them?Seriously, am I missing something? If so, I'd like to know before I make anyflying cables.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p110 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress Tool
Last week I borrowed a Nicopress tool from a fellow builder in order to fabricatemy drag/anti-drag cables. With minimal practice, making these splices wasa relatively easy task. I have returned the tool because someone else was waitingto borrow them, but I have been considering purchasing a pair of my own.As we all know, these tools can be quite expensive, but I've read several recommendationson the Lowes and Home Depot models. I was skeptical at first becausethese items are not the same "Made in the USA" quality found in an authenticNicopress tool, but for $28, I figured I'd give em a try. I found a thread from this list that was posted back in 2003 by DJ Vegh and followed up by Chris Bopka, Cy Galley and others (see it here http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenp ... -07-13.txt). In that thread, they discussed the GO measurements found in a Nicopress gauge. They are listed as...Size - Range (Chris Bopka posted as found in EAA Aircraft Volume One File Number6 on Aircraft Homebuilding Tips, page 34)1/16" sleeve - .190-.195" go dimension3/32" sleeve - .255-.265" go dimension1/8" sleeve - .343-.353" go dimension5/32" sleeve - .380-.390" go dimensionUsing the Home Depot tool straight off the shelf, my first crimp on a 1/8" cable/sleevecombo was .318" (way too tight). After a minor adjustment, my secondcrimp was .355" (slightly too big). Another adjustment and I was able to squeezea .345" crimp. I grabbed another sleeve and proceeded to squeeze 3 morecrimps right around .345" (+/- .0005") as measured with my calipers (see photobelow). My question is... if I can consistently crimp sleeves to these dimensions withthe $28 tool, can anyone give a good argument as to why I shouldn't use them?Seriously, am I missing something? If so, I'd like to know before I make anyflying cables.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p110 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: Darrel Jones
Mark what is used don't really matter. The end result is what counts. I would flythat crimp. Good looking job.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009Ribs and tailfeathers doneusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:34:55 -0800
Mark what is used don't really matter. The end result is what counts. I would flythat crimp. Good looking job.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009Ribs and tailfeathers doneusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:34:55 -0800
Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: shad bell
Mark,The important thing is that you are checking the crimps, and getting consistentresults. As long as you keep doing that, the $28 tool should be just fine. Becauseit is made to be sold for a lower price, the quality is expectedly lowerthan the official tool, BUT, for the number of crimps you will need to do ona Piet, it should do just fine. I would think if you were planning to do crimpingon a regular, ongoing basis, the "real deal" would be a good investment, butfor one project, the budget tool is the way to go. Just keep checking eachcrimp as you go.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:16:47 -0800 (PST)
Mark,The important thing is that you are checking the crimps, and getting consistentresults. As long as you keep doing that, the $28 tool should be just fine. Becauseit is made to be sold for a lower price, the quality is expectedly lowerthan the official tool, BUT, for the number of crimps you will need to do ona Piet, it should do just fine. I would think if you were planning to do crimpingon a regular, ongoing basis, the "real deal" would be a good investment, butfor one project, the budget tool is the way to go. Just keep checking eachcrimp as you go.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:16:47 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
Sounds good. I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't some other factor orcharacteristic of these crimps that I was overlooking. I will continue to monitorthe measurements. As for this tool... it is just a little rough around the edges... not as nice asthe original overall, the paint is kind of crappy and the rounds aren't quiteas smooth as the real McCoy. But, I think with a bit of fine scotch brite tosmooth out the rounds, a bit of oil on the hinges and several break in crimpsto seat all of the adjustments, it should function much like the genuine article.The fella that loaned me his Nicopress tool also told me to check eachcrimp, which I did. I'll just keep on like I've been doing and see how it holdsup.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Sounds good. I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't some other factor orcharacteristic of these crimps that I was overlooking. I will continue to monitorthe measurements. As for this tool... it is just a little rough around the edges... not as nice asthe original overall, the paint is kind of crappy and the rounds aren't quiteas smooth as the real McCoy. But, I think with a bit of fine scotch brite tosmooth out the rounds, a bit of oil on the hinges and several break in crimpsto seat all of the adjustments, it should function much like the genuine article.The fella that loaned me his Nicopress tool also told me to check eachcrimp, which I did. I'll just keep on like I've been doing and see how it holdsup.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
What did you adjust to change the crimp dimension?--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
What did you adjust to change the crimp dimension?--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress Tool
Original Posted By: "Michael F. Townsley"
It is hard to see in my photos, but there is a big set screw (hex type) that adjuststhe pivot lever, which adjusts the jaw in or out (tighter or looser). If you look at the pivot point, on the red body (not the handles), you will noticea lever positioned between the two. One end is bolted to the center of thetool... if you follow it back you can see that it is pinned to the oppositeside (also painted red at the pin) and continues back. At the end of this lever,on the top side of the tool (as the photo is oriented), is where you willfind the set screw adjustment. If you follow the action of the lever, you cansee how it would adjust the jaws in and out. Hope this helps.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:58:34 -0500
It is hard to see in my photos, but there is a big set screw (hex type) that adjuststhe pivot lever, which adjusts the jaw in or out (tighter or looser). If you look at the pivot point, on the red body (not the handles), you will noticea lever positioned between the two. One end is bolted to the center of thetool... if you follow it back you can see that it is pinned to the oppositeside (also painted red at the pin) and continues back. At the end of this lever,on the top side of the tool (as the photo is oriented), is where you willfind the set screw adjustment. If you follow the action of the lever, you cansee how it would adjust the jaws in and out. Hope this helps.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:58:34 -0500