Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Hey,I need to figure out a way to have my paperwork (airworthiness cert)displayed correctly. Sounds like it needs to be in the front pit so"passengers and crew" and see it. How have you guys flying addressed this?ThanksD(guess I only thought I had installed the last piece!!)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:35:59 -0500
Pietenpol-List: paperwork display
Re: Pietenpol-List: paperwork display
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: paperwork display
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: paperwork display
RE: Pietenpol-List: paperwork display
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I keep mine in my helmet box - which is where the FAA inspector told me tokeep it.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
I keep mine in my helmet box - which is where the FAA inspector told me tokeep it.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "David Paule"
Ryan, thanks for taking the time to send me those photos, very helpful!!Now I just gotta figure out where to get that nifty plastic sleeve thing.(kidding, I can probably work something out!)Ben, didn't know you were that close too. Good luck to you!!Inspection scheduled for Tuesday, weather permitting.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________
Ryan, thanks for taking the time to send me those photos, very helpful!!Now I just gotta figure out where to get that nifty plastic sleeve thing.(kidding, I can probably work something out!)Ben, didn't know you were that close too. Good luck to you!!Inspection scheduled for Tuesday, weather permitting.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Ken Howe
What's a helmet box?David Paule> I keep mine in my helmet box - which is where the FAA inspector told me to> keep it.>> Jack Phillips________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:25:45 -0700
What's a helmet box?David Paule> I keep mine in my helmet box - which is where the FAA inspector told me to> keep it.>> Jack Phillips________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:25:45 -0700
Pietenpol-List: Re: paperwork display
Original Posted By: "Pieti Lowell"
Here's how the papers are displayed in 41CC. One corner of the airworthiness certificateis just visible on the left; the data plate and registration are onthe right. Weight & balance, operating limitations, and other required paperworkare in a pouch on the inside of the hinged pilot's seat back. I have nohelmet box in the headrest area (flying helmet, David, as in leather or khakilike all the 'real' pilots wear) ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p108 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: paperwork display
Here's how the papers are displayed in 41CC. One corner of the airworthiness certificateis just visible on the left; the data plate and registration are onthe right. Weight & balance, operating limitations, and other required paperworkare in a pouch on the inside of the hinged pilot's seat back. I have nohelmet box in the headrest area (flying helmet, David, as in leather or khakilike all the 'real' pilots wear) ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p108 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: paperwork display
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Oscar, Do you fly with the cables loose? Do I see the turn buckle with a slightsag, or is some one hanging on a control surface ? It looks like your cockpit.Maybe camera distortion.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Oscar, Do you fly with the cables loose? Do I see the turn buckle with a slightsag, or is some one hanging on a control surface ? It looks like your cockpit.Maybe camera distortion.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
Jack,=C2-I pre-trimmed the bottoms.=C2-Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear(16 ribs down)
Jack,=C2-I pre-trimmed the bottoms.=C2-Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear(16 ribs down)
Pietenpol-List: paperwork display
Original Posted By: "Jack"
Lowell wrote:>Oscar, Do you fly with the cables loose?>Do I see the turn buckle with a slight sag,>or is some one hanging on a control surface?>Maybe camera distortion.No. Yes. No. No. Your eyes do not deceive.I should have explained that the picture wastaken after the nose-over incident. At thetime of the photo, the forward cabanes werecrumpled, which relieved the tension on thebrace wires and control cables, thus the slack.The face of the oil pressure gauge was cracked,the ignition key was broken off in the switch(Charlie's forehead paid the price for that),there was blood on the underside of the flopand wing centersection from where Charlie'sforehead dripped as he hung upside-down inthe cockpit, till he unbuckled the harness;the pilot's and passenger's seats were broken,and lots of other things were all ahoo. Theairplane looks MUCH nicer now, I can assureyou! Good observation, though.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Lowell wrote:>Oscar, Do you fly with the cables loose?>Do I see the turn buckle with a slight sag,>or is some one hanging on a control surface?>Maybe camera distortion.No. Yes. No. No. Your eyes do not deceive.I should have explained that the picture wastaken after the nose-over incident. At thetime of the photo, the forward cabanes werecrumpled, which relieved the tension on thebrace wires and control cables, thus the slack.The face of the oil pressure gauge was cracked,the ignition key was broken off in the switch(Charlie's forehead paid the price for that),there was blood on the underside of the flopand wing centersection from where Charlie'sforehead dripped as he hung upside-down inthe cockpit, till he unbuckled the harness;the pilot's and passenger's seats were broken,and lots of other things were all ahoo. Theairplane looks MUCH nicer now, I can assureyou! Good observation, though.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Happy Saturday All,Where the stringers come together at the rear of the deck, the "height"needs to be trimmed for the outside stringers. Is it easier to pre-trim thebottom to fit or have them secured full height then planed to the correctsize?ThanksJackDSM________________________________________________________________________________
Happy Saturday All,Where the stringers come together at the rear of the deck, the "height"needs to be trimmed for the outside stringers. Is it easier to pre-trim thebottom to fit or have them secured full height then planed to the correctsize?ThanksJackDSM________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jack,I pre-trimmed the bottoms.Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(16 ribs down.) _____
Jack,I pre-trimmed the bottoms.Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(16 ribs down.) _____
Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Elevator horn twist
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator horn twist
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
On NX18235 the elevator horns are angled to be in line with the cables. The rudder horn is twisted just at the tips.Flies just fine.Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message -----
On NX18235 the elevator horns are angled to be in line with the cables. The rudder horn is twisted just at the tips.Flies just fine.Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator horn twist
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
I have been wrestling with this myself. I have 1/8" flat steel horns, not streamlined per plans. I put them on straight because I could not see having that flat plate out there at an angle. (like I am really going to reduce the drag of a Piet) Also, if it lines up with the cables, say at neutral, it won't line up at any other angle because the geometry changes as the elevator moves up and down (although not much). I had a friend who is an engineer (I know, this is not like me to engineer anything) do the math, and the side load on the horn is not very high at all, certainly not enough to bend 4130. Now I am just obsessing with looks. The horns are installed, I am just thinking whether to replace them with plans-built horns before it is too late.Does anyone else have flat steel horns that are straight?? Photos??Gene ----- Original Message -----
I have been wrestling with this myself. I have 1/8" flat steel horns, not streamlined per plans. I put them on straight because I could not see having that flat plate out there at an angle. (like I am really going to reduce the drag of a Piet) Also, if it lines up with the cables, say at neutral, it won't line up at any other angle because the geometry changes as the elevator moves up and down (although not much). I had a friend who is an engineer (I know, this is not like me to engineer anything) do the math, and the side load on the horn is not very high at all, certainly not enough to bend 4130. Now I am just obsessing with looks. The horns are installed, I am just thinking whether to replace them with plans-built horns before it is too late.Does anyone else have flat steel horns that are straight?? Photos??Gene ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator horn twist
Original Posted By: "Gene Rambo"
[ Gene, clamp a similar flat plate in a vice, pull 35 Lbs with a short cable, checkfor deflection and satisfy your sarofsify.Pieti Lowell]Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
[ Gene, clamp a similar flat plate in a vice, pull 35 Lbs with a short cable, checkfor deflection and satisfy your sarofsify.Pieti Lowell]Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator horn twist
Original Posted By: Pieti Lowell
I am not worried at all about the side forces. I am only thinking about appearances right now. ----- Original Message -----
I am not worried at all about the side forces. I am only thinking about appearances right now. ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator horn twist
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator horn twist
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Pietenpol-List: Elevator horn twist
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator horn twist
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Dan, "darn you to heck!!" THAT is what I didn't want to hear! Of course, that is what I thought, I have gone to great extremes for the appearance of this plane, ai just don't want to ruin it now. I WAS ready to cover the tail and fuselage, but noooooooooo, now I gotta build horns.Darn you, darn you to heck (to paraphrase Mr. Heston)Gene ----- Original Message -----
Dan, "darn you to heck!!" THAT is what I didn't want to hear! Of course, that is what I thought, I have gone to great extremes for the appearance of this plane, ai just don't want to ruin it now. I WAS ready to cover the tail and fuselage, but noooooooooo, now I gotta build horns.Darn you, darn you to heck (to paraphrase Mr. Heston)Gene ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator horn twist
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Fellow Pieters:for those that have made the straight axle gear using the Henderson/Pavliga/Perkinsstyle hubs, what size holes did you drill in the hubs for your spokes. Irealize it is spoke size dependent, but my plans are to go with 9 ga. spokes fromBuchanan's. I want to make sure that the hubs that I send to them are drilledcorrectly.Rick SchreiberValparaiso, IN________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator horn twistDate: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:50:26 -0500
Fellow Pieters:for those that have made the straight axle gear using the Henderson/Pavliga/Perkinsstyle hubs, what size holes did you drill in the hubs for your spokes. Irealize it is spoke size dependent, but my plans are to go with 9 ga. spokes fromBuchanan's. I want to make sure that the hubs that I send to them are drilledcorrectly.Rick SchreiberValparaiso, IN________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator horn twistDate: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:50:26 -0500
RE: Pietenpol-List: Elevator horn twist
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Gene,I made mine out of flat 4130 sheet. The looked fine to me. Have a look downthe bottom of page 11 on the web site (http://www.cpc-world.com).I angled them slightly toward the cable exit in the fuse.CheersPeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://www.cpc-world.com
Gene,I made mine out of flat 4130 sheet. The looked fine to me. Have a look downthe bottom of page 11 on the web site (http://www.cpc-world.com).I angled them slightly toward the cable exit in the fuse.CheersPeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://www.cpc-world.com
Pietenpol-List: Elevator horn twist
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
RE: Pietenpol-List: straight axle hub info
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Rick,Why not ask Buchanan's? I'm sure they could tell you what they prefer.Here is a detail from the drawings I made for my hubs. I sent these hubs toBuchanan's and they made custom spokes and laced them for me. I dod notknow what the gage on the spoke wire is, but they have worked just fine.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
Rick,Why not ask Buchanan's? I'm sure they could tell you what they prefer.Here is a detail from the drawings I made for my hubs. I sent these hubs toBuchanan's and they made custom spokes and laced them for me. I dod notknow what the gage on the spoke wire is, but they have worked just fine.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck
Original Posted By: "Jack"
Jack you and I are near the same stage of construction on the fuselage. Lookinggood. I did like you and fitted the bottom side. I'm not trying to steal yourthread...just didn't want to start another.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009Ribs and tailfeathers doneusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a61_ ... __________
Jack you and I are near the same stage of construction on the fuselage. Lookinggood. I did like you and fitted the bottom side. I'm not trying to steal yourthread...just didn't want to start another.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009Ribs and tailfeathers doneusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a61_ ... __________