Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
I know I'm getting a little ahead of myself as I'm still building ribs. for those that have not used steel struts how have you done the lower lift strut attachment so as to have the ability to ajust the length. Carlson aircraft has some streamlined alum strut material very reasonable. But=2C you cant weld a fork and barrel assy into them=2C of course. And the FAA PMA fork and barrel sets are hideously priced.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio _________________________________________________________________Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inbox.http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/the ... ______Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:04:05 -0500
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting ToolsHave been modifying a wooden venetian blind to fit a window opening today.It made me think of the similarities to rib making and rib stitching. 1. Repetitive cutting of thin wood 2. Lacing the slats (stitching) 3. Personal qualities needed (patience/perseverance) 4. Fine cutting tools>From this I have some questions relating to aircraft building: 1. Which is the more important quality, patience or perseverance (I have more of the latter so swear often) 2. Is a hand saw better than power saws (band or circular) 3. How do you stop splintering in thin wood 4. Does splintering matter if slightWhat are your opinions?John T________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachmentDate: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:23:34 -0400
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting ToolsHave been modifying a wooden venetian blind to fit a window opening today.It made me think of the similarities to rib making and rib stitching. 1. Repetitive cutting of thin wood 2. Lacing the slats (stitching) 3. Personal qualities needed (patience/perseverance) 4. Fine cutting tools>From this I have some questions relating to aircraft building: 1. Which is the more important quality, patience or perseverance (I have more of the latter so swear often) 2. Is a hand saw better than power saws (band or circular) 3. How do you stop splintering in thin wood 4. Does splintering matter if slightWhat are your opinions?John T________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachmentDate: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:23:34 -0400
Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachment
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools
Original Posted By: "flea"
>From this I have some questions relating to aircraft building: 1. Which is the more important quality, patience or perseverance (I have moreof the latter so swear often) 2. Is a hand saw better than power saws (band or circular) 3. How do you stop splintering in thin wood 4. Does splintering matter if slightWhat are your opinions? John,My opinion is:1- You need all three. My mother used to say to me, "patience is a wonderful virtue."when I was ready to go off half cocked. She was right and patience leadsto perseverance which leads to quality. I think understanding the differencebetween "good" , "excellent", and "perfect" in quality is also important.Good is what I shoot for and excellent is what I get when everything is goingright. For me reaching for perfection only add to my frustration and sometimesresults in excellent being downgraded to good.2- I like a good sharp, small hand saw, but my saw of choice is a power band saw with a good blade and an accurate fence. If you are cutting solid stock like cap strips or longerons get a "Woodslicer" resaw blade (band saw) from http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/wood ... lades.aspx. They are expensive but if you set them up as directed you will be very pleased. Almost no sanding needed as they cut so smooth and accurate. I use it for light plywood as well.3- Splintering (in solid stock) will be solved by the above.4- Slight splintering maters if you are shooting for "perfection"! If you areusing wood I doubt you can avoid it. Deep splintering may reduce strength. My $0.02Jon Coxwell--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools
>From this I have some questions relating to aircraft building: 1. Which is the more important quality, patience or perseverance (I have moreof the latter so swear often) 2. Is a hand saw better than power saws (band or circular) 3. How do you stop splintering in thin wood 4. Does splintering matter if slightWhat are your opinions? John,My opinion is:1- You need all three. My mother used to say to me, "patience is a wonderful virtue."when I was ready to go off half cocked. She was right and patience leadsto perseverance which leads to quality. I think understanding the differencebetween "good" , "excellent", and "perfect" in quality is also important.Good is what I shoot for and excellent is what I get when everything is goingright. For me reaching for perfection only add to my frustration and sometimesresults in excellent being downgraded to good.2- I like a good sharp, small hand saw, but my saw of choice is a power band saw with a good blade and an accurate fence. If you are cutting solid stock like cap strips or longerons get a "Woodslicer" resaw blade (band saw) from http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/wood ... lades.aspx. They are expensive but if you set them up as directed you will be very pleased. Almost no sanding needed as they cut so smooth and accurate. I use it for light plywood as well.3- Splintering (in solid stock) will be solved by the above.4- Slight splintering maters if you are shooting for "perfection"! If you areusing wood I doubt you can avoid it. Deep splintering may reduce strength. My $0.02Jon Coxwell--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Splintering can be minimized by sandwiching the piece between two pieces of scrapand cutting through all three at the same time. Think of a piece of plywood,is it possible to splinter the inner ply and not the outer? Make your work piecethe "inner ply" and thumb your nose at the splintered scrap on the "outerplies."A piece of masking tape along the cut line can also be used, it doesn't work aswell but can be easier to do depending on the saw used etc.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Splintering can be minimized by sandwiching the piece between two pieces of scrapand cutting through all three at the same time. Think of a piece of plywood,is it possible to splinter the inner ply and not the outer? Make your work piecethe "inner ply" and thumb your nose at the splintered scrap on the "outerplies."A piece of masking tape along the cut line can also be used, it doesn't work aswell but can be easier to do depending on the saw used etc.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Or just use Sitka Spruce and there will be no splintering, unless you areusing the utlimate handtool (a hatchet).Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Or just use Sitka Spruce and there will be no splintering, unless you areusing the utlimate handtool (a hatchet).Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
I can splinter Sitka. LOL! Higher tooth count and feed it slow.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I can splinter Sitka. LOL! Higher tooth count and feed it slow.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Dan=2CYours is one of the options I thought of. Questioned the strength of tapping the Alum bar. Probably way more than we need though. In looking at the West Coast Piet site I've noticed several that have no adjustment. If any have not used a fork and have a fixed=2C bolted attachment=2C please chime is as to how you did it so as not to need any method of adjusting. Those forks are big bucks. But as I see it you might only need the rear strut to adjust. That would cut the cost in half.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow OhioSubject: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachmentDate: Thu=2C 17 Jun 2010 19:23:34 -0400
Dan=2CYours is one of the options I thought of. Questioned the strength of tapping the Alum bar. Probably way more than we need though. In looking at the West Coast Piet site I've noticed several that have no adjustment. If any have not used a fork and have a fixed=2C bolted attachment=2C please chime is as to how you did it so as not to need any method of adjusting. Those forks are big bucks. But as I see it you might only need the rear strut to adjust. That would cut the cost in half.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow OhioSubject: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachmentDate: Thu=2C 17 Jun 2010 19:23:34 -0400
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Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
I forgot... I have evidence!--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mark ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachmentDate: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:26:19 -0400
I forgot... I have evidence!--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mark ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachmentDate: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:26:19 -0400
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting ToolsIn a message dated 6/17/2010 6:15:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com writes:Have been modifying a wooden venetian blind to fit a window opening today.It made me think of the similarities to rib making and rib stitching. 1. Repetitive cutting of thin wood Buy ribs from another builder then you can swear at him 2. Lacing the slats (stitching) Buy new ones or get the wife to do it or just get a bigger hammer and make the window fit the blinds. Some times its about the destination and sometimes about the journey and sometimes its about the size of ones hammer that makes the job go smoother 3. Personal qualities needed (patience/perseverance) and a big Beer budget is more than helpful 4. Fine cutting tools Cutting tools are best in you fin them in someone else's shop Markle them and you will never be disappointed!>From this I have some questions relating to aircraft building: 1. Which is the more important quality, patience or perseverance (I have more of the latter so swear often) Copious amounts of beer have a greatimpact on both so buy plenty 2. Is a hand saw better than power saws (band or circular) Markle a saw from your neighbor, those work best 3. How do you stop splintering in thin wood Use thicker wood 4. Does splintering matter if slight Only when you sit on themWhat are your opinions? Opinions are like tools, you have too many until you need one then you never have enoughJohn TBy all means do not archive(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachmentDate: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:16:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting ToolsIn a message dated 6/17/2010 6:15:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com writes:Have been modifying a wooden venetian blind to fit a window opening today.It made me think of the similarities to rib making and rib stitching. 1. Repetitive cutting of thin wood Buy ribs from another builder then you can swear at him 2. Lacing the slats (stitching) Buy new ones or get the wife to do it or just get a bigger hammer and make the window fit the blinds. Some times its about the destination and sometimes about the journey and sometimes its about the size of ones hammer that makes the job go smoother 3. Personal qualities needed (patience/perseverance) and a big Beer budget is more than helpful 4. Fine cutting tools Cutting tools are best in you fin them in someone else's shop Markle them and you will never be disappointed!>From this I have some questions relating to aircraft building: 1. Which is the more important quality, patience or perseverance (I have more of the latter so swear often) Copious amounts of beer have a greatimpact on both so buy plenty 2. Is a hand saw better than power saws (band or circular) Markle a saw from your neighbor, those work best 3. How do you stop splintering in thin wood Use thicker wood 4. Does splintering matter if slight Only when you sit on themWhat are your opinions? Opinions are like tools, you have too many until you need one then you never have enoughJohn TBy all means do not archive(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachmentDate: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:16:25 -0400
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Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Dan=2CYour comments lead me to another question. How did your W&B come out? I'm a std FAA person at 170. I remember a short while back you were concerned but I can't seem to find your final results.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio _________________________________________________________________Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox.http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/the ... __________
Dan=2CYour comments lead me to another question. How did your W&B come out? I'm a std FAA person at 170. I remember a short while back you were concerned but I can't seem to find your final results.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio _________________________________________________________________Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox.http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/the ... __________
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Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
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Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
I've seen the pics and am envious. With a little luck I shoud be there in about 3 yrs. I'm limited more by money than time. If I had enough money I could probably be done in a year.BTW could you tell me a little about your model A? have you had it on a dyno? Do you have inserts or babbited? Counter weighted crank? etc. Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow OhioSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachmentDate: Fri=2C 18 Jun 2010 18:16:25 -0400
I've seen the pics and am envious. With a little luck I shoud be there in about 3 yrs. I'm limited more by money than time. If I had enough money I could probably be done in a year.BTW could you tell me a little about your model A? have you had it on a dyno? Do you have inserts or babbited? Counter weighted crank? etc. Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow OhioSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachmentDate: Fri=2C 18 Jun 2010 18:16:25 -0400
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