Original Posted By: "Kringle"
I've seen aircraft projects being trailered and a lot of the time they are beingtowed tail first. Any reason or advantage to doing it that way?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood kits
Pietenpol-List: Wood kits
Original Posted By: "baiquemaique"
I checked with both aircraft spruce and wicks on wood kits for the pietenpol. There is $750 difference in price with wicks being higher. I am guessing it isbecause aircraft spruce is fininshed on two sides and requires cutting to thecorrect dimensions while wicks is already precut to the final dimensions? IfI have the money is this the best way to go?--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I checked with both aircraft spruce and wicks on wood kits for the pietenpol. There is $750 difference in price with wicks being higher. I am guessing it isbecause aircraft spruce is fininshed on two sides and requires cutting to thecorrect dimensions while wicks is already precut to the final dimensions? IfI have the money is this the best way to go?--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: where exactly in Broadhead is the fly-in
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood kits
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
...depends on how many $$$ you want to save. I used locally acquired Poplarand bought ALL of my wood (less plywood and hardwood) for less than $300.Poplar is very pleasant smelling wood to spend hours cutting up...Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear20 ribs done-----Original Message-----
...depends on how many $$$ you want to save. I used locally acquired Poplarand bought ALL of my wood (less plywood and hardwood) for less than $300.Poplar is very pleasant smelling wood to spend hours cutting up...Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear20 ribs done-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Wood kits
Original Posted By: shad bell
RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood kits
Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Re: Pietenpol-List: where exactly in Broadhead is the fly-in
Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
My recollection from '94 and '98 is that there was a single shower at the pavilion.Is that still true?Thanks,--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
My recollection from '94 and '98 is that there was a single shower at the pavilion.Is that still true?Thanks,--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Pietenpol-List: Re: Trailering
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
My gosh... $750 for cut lengths? No thanks. Are you sure that they don't alsoinclude the rib capstrip and perhaps some plywood or something? I haven't studiedthe Wicks package, so I can't make a fair comparison. I can say this... except for one problem that I found, which Aircraft Spruce promptlytook care of, the AS&S wood package is excellent stuff. I've had severalcompliments on the materials. As for pre-cut... I think I'd prefer the roughlengths as it allows me to cut/sand to my dimensions for a snug fit, plus Iget little drop pieces for use elsewhere. Again, I can't speak to the Wicks package since I don't know what all they include,but for the money, the AS&S stuff is hard to beat, unless of course you haveproper materials locally. ---------------I just took a look at Wicks... they have their packages split up differently. The wing kit does include capstrip for ribs (approx. $150 from AS&S), but thematerials are not pre-cut to length. In fact, the spars are full length (28'),so they will have to be cut a couple of times in order to build. I'm not sure what the best deal is... but given the price comparison (almost double),I think you would be happy with the AS&S package. Some may argue thatscrounging up boards and cutting your own material is the way to go... and severalhave done that for a few hundred bucks, but if you don't have the propermaterials available then it is kind of hard to do that.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trailering
My gosh... $750 for cut lengths? No thanks. Are you sure that they don't alsoinclude the rib capstrip and perhaps some plywood or something? I haven't studiedthe Wicks package, so I can't make a fair comparison. I can say this... except for one problem that I found, which Aircraft Spruce promptlytook care of, the AS&S wood package is excellent stuff. I've had severalcompliments on the materials. As for pre-cut... I think I'd prefer the roughlengths as it allows me to cut/sand to my dimensions for a snug fit, plus Iget little drop pieces for use elsewhere. Again, I can't speak to the Wicks package since I don't know what all they include,but for the money, the AS&S stuff is hard to beat, unless of course you haveproper materials locally. ---------------I just took a look at Wicks... they have their packages split up differently. The wing kit does include capstrip for ribs (approx. $150 from AS&S), but thematerials are not pre-cut to length. In fact, the spars are full length (28'),so they will have to be cut a couple of times in order to build. I'm not sure what the best deal is... but given the price comparison (almost double),I think you would be happy with the AS&S package. Some may argue thatscrounging up boards and cutting your own material is the way to go... and severalhave done that for a few hundred bucks, but if you don't have the propermaterials available then it is kind of hard to do that.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trailering
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellowlovers of the blueWell, you opened the door for me John, so here goes:Dihedral: optimum amount performance vs aesthetics? Forget Aesthetics here! Go for performance. Slight dihedral is good in my opinion.I will have some on NX992WD. (Stability...good for hands off and long flights.)Wings best lift and performance configuration for dirty on the bottom or on top surface of the wingor does it matter?Don't understand question.Gap seal on the bottom of the wing using the lift side to hold the seal in place or on top and secured by mechanical means.Matters not. You just need to keep the air from flowing between the the two structures.Again, using these is a performance gain. (I will have them in some form.)Hinges home made or piano? Built in gap seal vs any additional Drag.Aluminum piano. ALL of mine hinges are these. (See my HINT videos.) Light strong,clean. Then gap seal as needed.Elevator hinges again piano or Piet design? necessity of gap seal at elevators?Aluminum piano, use gap seal of some sort.Tail sections joined for single horn or split as designed for dual horn?Split. This allows some differential adjustment if needed to trim plane in flight.Elevator connection for single horn vs interference with rudder operation?Split elevators...interference problem solved.Fellow lover of the blue and heavy Pietenpol modifier. Michael PerezKaretaker Aerowww.karetakeraero.com________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellowlovers of the blueWell, you opened the door for me John, so here goes:Dihedral: optimum amount performance vs aesthetics? Forget Aesthetics here! Go for performance. Slight dihedral is good in my opinion.I will have some on NX992WD. (Stability...good for hands off and long flights.)Wings best lift and performance configuration for dirty on the bottom or on top surface of the wingor does it matter?Don't understand question.Gap seal on the bottom of the wing using the lift side to hold the seal in place or on top and secured by mechanical means.Matters not. You just need to keep the air from flowing between the the two structures.Again, using these is a performance gain. (I will have them in some form.)Hinges home made or piano? Built in gap seal vs any additional Drag.Aluminum piano. ALL of mine hinges are these. (See my HINT videos.) Light strong,clean. Then gap seal as needed.Elevator hinges again piano or Piet design? necessity of gap seal at elevators?Aluminum piano, use gap seal of some sort.Tail sections joined for single horn or split as designed for dual horn?Split. This allows some differential adjustment if needed to trim plane in flight.Elevator connection for single horn vs interference with rudder operation?Split elevators...interference problem solved.Fellow lover of the blue and heavy Pietenpol modifier. Michael PerezKaretaker Aerowww.karetakeraero.com________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: "Aircraft Spruce Info"
For buying sitka spruce, try McCormick Lumber in Madison, WI. You're in northernIllinois, so it would be worth the trip. The last time I checked with them,4/4 sitka was going for $9.00/ bd. ft. Now you will have to get it joined andplaned so get friendly with your local cabinetmaker. I'm on good terms withours, so when he does work like that, it usually cost me about a 12 pack ofCorona beer. Well worth it.PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
For buying sitka spruce, try McCormick Lumber in Madison, WI. You're in northernIllinois, so it would be worth the trip. The last time I checked with them,4/4 sitka was going for $9.00/ bd. ft. Now you will have to get it joined andplaned so get friendly with your local cabinetmaker. I'm on good terms withours, so when he does work like that, it usually cost me about a 12 pack ofCorona beer. Well worth it.PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Pietenpol-List: Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at?
Original Posted By: "j_dunavin"
We noticed the discussion regarding the Pietenpol wood kits on the newsgroup, andwe found that our Pietenpol kit listings needed to be updated. We now haveall of the Pietenpol kits updated and listed on our website. Thanks for the builderswho posted their comments which brought this to our attention.Aircraft SpruceCustomer Service Dept.info(at)aircraftspruce.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at?
We noticed the discussion regarding the Pietenpol wood kits on the newsgroup, andwe found that our Pietenpol kit listings needed to be updated. We now haveall of the Pietenpol kits updated and listed on our website. Thanks for the builderswho posted their comments which brought this to our attention.Aircraft SpruceCustomer Service Dept.info(at)aircraftspruce.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at?
Original Posted By: airlion
We do have a planer at my Dad's home shop, so we could plane our own stuff. $9 sounds a lot better than $20.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:57:03 -0700 (PDT)
We do have a planer at my Dad's home shop, so we could plane our own stuff. $9 sounds a lot better than $20.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:57:03 -0700 (PDT)
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Well that is confusing as hell. You guys normally posted a wood package for thePietenpol Air Camper... now you only list four "kits" for the different sectionsof the Pietenpol Air Camper, and none of them are linked to a bill of materialsthat can be accessed and studied in order to confirm what the customeris actually ordering. For example, what is included in that $931 "wing kit" thatis now listed? Does that include capstrip for wing ribs? If so, what areguys suposed to do that have already built or acquired ribs? Search for individualitems to complete the wings? Whew! Not the end of the world, but anotherchallenge for an individual that might have just chosen to purchase your oldwood package.I'm not sure how well those packages will go over. If I remember correctly, theold wood package was compiled quite some time ago and there are many notes outthere that reference that "no capstrip or plywood" package. The contents ofthe original package is right on according to many past builders, and I am enjoyingthe fact that some of the guess work is eliminated when following theinstruction of veteran builders that have used your wood package. In fact, itis one of the main reasons I purchased your package. I mean, have you guys triedto build one of these from the plans? I suppose things can change, but I certainly can't recommend what you are currentlyoffering since I have no idea what it includes. I would like to suggestthat you offer the original package along with those "kits" you are offering.In addition to that... publish a bill of materials (similar to the GN-1 package)so people can know what they are looking at.Perhaps you know best what it is that your customer wants, but it seems like youmight not want to mess with something that many people have said is a "no-brainer"when it comes to wood selection. Lots of people like to acquire theirwood in different ways, but I'm sure that many would choose to pay a little extrato know they have good quality components cut to the sizes they require.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/asan ... __________
Well that is confusing as hell. You guys normally posted a wood package for thePietenpol Air Camper... now you only list four "kits" for the different sectionsof the Pietenpol Air Camper, and none of them are linked to a bill of materialsthat can be accessed and studied in order to confirm what the customeris actually ordering. For example, what is included in that $931 "wing kit" thatis now listed? Does that include capstrip for wing ribs? If so, what areguys suposed to do that have already built or acquired ribs? Search for individualitems to complete the wings? Whew! Not the end of the world, but anotherchallenge for an individual that might have just chosen to purchase your oldwood package.I'm not sure how well those packages will go over. If I remember correctly, theold wood package was compiled quite some time ago and there are many notes outthere that reference that "no capstrip or plywood" package. The contents ofthe original package is right on according to many past builders, and I am enjoyingthe fact that some of the guess work is eliminated when following theinstruction of veteran builders that have used your wood package. In fact, itis one of the main reasons I purchased your package. I mean, have you guys triedto build one of these from the plans? I suppose things can change, but I certainly can't recommend what you are currentlyoffering since I have no idea what it includes. I would like to suggestthat you offer the original package along with those "kits" you are offering.In addition to that... publish a bill of materials (similar to the GN-1 package)so people can know what they are looking at.Perhaps you know best what it is that your customer wants, but it seems like youmight not want to mess with something that many people have said is a "no-brainer"when it comes to wood selection. Lots of people like to acquire theirwood in different ways, but I'm sure that many would choose to pay a little extrato know they have good quality components cut to the sizes they require.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/asan ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com. I know he doesn'thave kit prices yet, but he has wood...Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear20 ribs done-----Original Message-----
Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com. I know he doesn'thave kit prices yet, but he has wood...Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear20 ribs done-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: "Dennis Vetter"
Don't blame me. I voted for the old guy and the hot chic. [Wink] Rant andrave all you want, while you still can! Just think of the carbon foot print ofthis administration. You will not hear about that in the media. I'm new to thissite. But not in the pietenpol world. Back to the weather, what a changefrom a week ago. Hope we get some good flying weather from here on out.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Don't blame me. I voted for the old guy and the hot chic. [Wink] Rant andrave all you want, while you still can! Just think of the carbon foot print ofthis administration. You will not hear about that in the media. I'm new to thissite. But not in the pietenpol world. Back to the weather, what a changefrom a week ago. Hope we get some good flying weather from here on out.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Pietenpol-List: Re: Two questions....
Original Posted By: "j_dunavin"
I bought a wood kit from Aircraft Spruce over two years ago. Quality was great,spars and all. I would do it different next time. The longeron material theysupply is 1" sq. I would change them to 7/8".Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two questions....
I bought a wood kit from Aircraft Spruce over two years ago. Quality was great,spars and all. I would do it different next time. The longeron material theysupply is 1" sq. I would change them to 7/8".Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two questions....
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: Mark Roberts
to answer your second question:My Dad and I just went though, which motor should we use and came up with thesequestions and answers:1. We want to maintain the Piet's originality, shouldn't we go with the Model A?Bernard himself changed the planes to accept the corvair. In now way would webe deviating from his design.2. We really like old school aviation, but we also like the convenience of justgetting in and pushing the go button, more. 3. The corvair will run on 100LL4. Better performance, since we both weigh in at just over 200 lbs, we need theextra HP5. no radiator in the face... better visibility.6. tons of supportI could go on, but i think you get my point.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:10:46 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
to answer your second question:My Dad and I just went though, which motor should we use and came up with thesequestions and answers:1. We want to maintain the Piet's originality, shouldn't we go with the Model A?Bernard himself changed the planes to accept the corvair. In now way would webe deviating from his design.2. We really like old school aviation, but we also like the convenience of justgetting in and pushing the go button, more. 3. The corvair will run on 100LL4. Better performance, since we both weigh in at just over 200 lbs, we need theextra HP5. no radiator in the face... better visibility.6. tons of supportI could go on, but i think you get my point.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:10:46 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
RE: Pietenpol-List: Two questions....
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Village Idiot Are you referring to the ash cross piece on the floor where the landing gearfitting attaches? The dimension does not matter just start it past thefitting. If you want to measure, the drawing is drawn to scale, 3/4"=1".Most if not all the drawing on the plans are drawn to some type of scale.All you have to do is figure out the scale and make your own scale tomeasure that drawing with. The Corvair will have more horse power and better climb until the cranksnaps, the Ford will have a better sound and more sex appeal until you can'tout climb the rotation of the earth and to have to land, a Continental willhave consistent adequate performance and reliability and thus get you whereyou want to go instead of where you end up. I say go with the Ford, sex appeal is always better then performance andreliability.ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com _____
Village Idiot Are you referring to the ash cross piece on the floor where the landing gearfitting attaches? The dimension does not matter just start it past thefitting. If you want to measure, the drawing is drawn to scale, 3/4"=1".Most if not all the drawing on the plans are drawn to some type of scale.All you have to do is figure out the scale and make your own scale tomeasure that drawing with. The Corvair will have more horse power and better climb until the cranksnaps, the Ford will have a better sound and more sex appeal until you can'tout climb the rotation of the earth and to have to land, a Continental willhave consistent adequate performance and reliability and thus get you whereyou want to go instead of where you end up. I say go with the Ford, sex appeal is always better then performance andreliability.ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com _____
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: "Kringle"
Sounds great. I'll be watching for the web site to come up.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Sounds great. I'll be watching for the web site to come up.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: "Jack"
Sounds great. I'll be watching for the web site to come up.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Sounds great. I'll be watching for the web site to come up.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hey Guys,-Regarding wood kits:My business partner and I took a business trip last week to LA for a conference (thus the lack of posts), and on the way down we began assembling prices and material lists for some wood kits that we mentioned last week or so ago on the list. We have both a CNC router (5' x 10' MultiCam CNC router and a 4' x 8' laser table), and have some spruce on hand that is spar grade stuff, but after the response we got, we began thinking that we would offer some sub-assembly kits. These would offer the spruce parts as well as the ply parts cut to shape using the CNC stuff.Planning all of this was the bulk of our discussion in the car (both directions) on the 4 hour trip. We have some of the kit info together, and I have been working to find some of the carriers that can ship reasonably all over the country. I haven't posted all this yet as I was wanting to have all the info for the-number-of requests we've had.I just checked ACS and saw that they now have sub kits available, which was what we were thinking of offering. I can't remember if I posted this earlier when I mentioned that we'd be offering kits, but I think it's great that those options are available! It makes it better for ALL of us to have options, and the ability to choose.We got a new web address for all of this (www.PietenParts.com -or www.PietParts.com), and I can tell you that our kits and sub kits will be CNC cut Plywood parts and will have all of the materials listed so you can see what you are getting. I noticed this was missing when I went to the ACS site... But, nice to see the sub kits which is what I was planning to offer originally.By the way, we are going to offer our kits with CNC machined rib jigs for the Original FC-10 airfoil, the Riblett GA-30-612 and the Riblett GA-30-613.5 airfoils.-One additional item that I am very-excited-about offering is a rib stick cutting jig that will cut the internal rib sticks for each rib easily and-accurately! It can reduce the amount of time it takes to cut the sticks down to a short afternoon, and they'll snap in place! So far I have the one for the Riblett 613.5 finished, and I still need to finish the FC-10 jig, and the FC-10 and Riblett 612 cutting jig. I cut the parts for the internal rib sticks very accuratly, and importantly, quickly.We hope to have the website up and running before long:www.PietenParts.com -or www.PietParts.com will eventually get you to the same place!By the way, we are pricing the Wing Rib kits, with the Bending Jig, The Stick Cutting Jig, and the actual Rib Jig for much less than what I saw on ACS. We are including a 'No Spar' option where you can just buy rib stuff with out spars to see if you even want to go further into the project before committing serious money. Some people may tire after ribs :oMore soon.MarkOn Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com. I know he doesn'thave kit prices yet, but he has wood...Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear20 ribs done-----Original Message-----
Hey Guys,-Regarding wood kits:My business partner and I took a business trip last week to LA for a conference (thus the lack of posts), and on the way down we began assembling prices and material lists for some wood kits that we mentioned last week or so ago on the list. We have both a CNC router (5' x 10' MultiCam CNC router and a 4' x 8' laser table), and have some spruce on hand that is spar grade stuff, but after the response we got, we began thinking that we would offer some sub-assembly kits. These would offer the spruce parts as well as the ply parts cut to shape using the CNC stuff.Planning all of this was the bulk of our discussion in the car (both directions) on the 4 hour trip. We have some of the kit info together, and I have been working to find some of the carriers that can ship reasonably all over the country. I haven't posted all this yet as I was wanting to have all the info for the-number-of requests we've had.I just checked ACS and saw that they now have sub kits available, which was what we were thinking of offering. I can't remember if I posted this earlier when I mentioned that we'd be offering kits, but I think it's great that those options are available! It makes it better for ALL of us to have options, and the ability to choose.We got a new web address for all of this (www.PietenParts.com -or www.PietParts.com), and I can tell you that our kits and sub kits will be CNC cut Plywood parts and will have all of the materials listed so you can see what you are getting. I noticed this was missing when I went to the ACS site... But, nice to see the sub kits which is what I was planning to offer originally.By the way, we are going to offer our kits with CNC machined rib jigs for the Original FC-10 airfoil, the Riblett GA-30-612 and the Riblett GA-30-613.5 airfoils.-One additional item that I am very-excited-about offering is a rib stick cutting jig that will cut the internal rib sticks for each rib easily and-accurately! It can reduce the amount of time it takes to cut the sticks down to a short afternoon, and they'll snap in place! So far I have the one for the Riblett 613.5 finished, and I still need to finish the FC-10 jig, and the FC-10 and Riblett 612 cutting jig. I cut the parts for the internal rib sticks very accuratly, and importantly, quickly.We hope to have the website up and running before long:www.PietenParts.com -or www.PietParts.com will eventually get you to the same place!By the way, we are pricing the Wing Rib kits, with the Bending Jig, The Stick Cutting Jig, and the actual Rib Jig for much less than what I saw on ACS. We are including a 'No Spar' option where you can just buy rib stuff with out spars to see if you even want to go further into the project before committing serious money. Some people may tire after ribs :oMore soon.MarkOn Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com. I know he doesn'thave kit prices yet, but he has wood...Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear20 ribs done-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: Mark Roberts
Agree with Jack: having it hang out a bit does not distract/detract and adds tothe charm.I bet you'll lose a little of your carb heat effectiveness if you lengthen therun of hose.--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:58:02 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Agree with Jack: having it hang out a bit does not distract/detract and adds tothe charm.I bet you'll lose a little of your carb heat effectiveness if you lengthen therun of hose.--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:58:02 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: shad bell
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
>Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the contents of each wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by Mark).I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I already have all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The wing kit lists 500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for 1/4" x 1/4" anywhere. The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2". I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that had a small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine horsepower, but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows where that came from.Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and not on some modification that some, unknown person came up with.http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderki ... -00582Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 2#309412le, List Admin.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
>Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the contents of each wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by Mark).I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I already have all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The wing kit lists 500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for 1/4" x 1/4" anywhere. The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2". I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that had a small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine horsepower, but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows where that came from.Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and not on some modification that some, unknown person came up with.http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderki ... -00582Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 2#309412le, List Admin.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
>Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the contents of each wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by Mark).I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I already have all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The wing kit lists 500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for 1/4" x 1/4" anywhere. The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2". I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that had a small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine horsepower, but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows where that came from.Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and not on some modification that some, unknown person came up with. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderki ... -00582Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 2#309412le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:27:51 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
>Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the contents of each wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by Mark).I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I already have all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The wing kit lists 500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for 1/4" x 1/4" anywhere. The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2". I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that had a small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine horsepower, but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows where that came from.Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and not on some modification that some, unknown person came up with. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderki ... -00582Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 2#309412le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:27:51 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Thanks for the builder who posted the comment about the Pietenpol wood kits fromAircraft Spruce. We simply split the original wood kit into four smaller kitsfor the wing, fuselage, stabilizer and elevator, and rudder and fin. This allowsa builder to buy the wood in sections instead of as one large kit. All ofthese kits are on our website and the contents of each kit can be accessed online.If any builders need clarification or have any questions on our kits, pleaselet us know.Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co.Customer Service Dept.info(at)aircraftspruce.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Thanks for the builder who posted the comment about the Pietenpol wood kits fromAircraft Spruce. We simply split the original wood kit into four smaller kitsfor the wing, fuselage, stabilizer and elevator, and rudder and fin. This allowsa builder to buy the wood in sections instead of as one large kit. All ofthese kits are on our website and the contents of each kit can be accessed online.If any builders need clarification or have any questions on our kits, pleaselet us know.Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co.Customer Service Dept.info(at)aircraftspruce.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the contents ofeach wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by Mark).I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I alreadyhave all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The wing kit lists500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for 1/4" x 1/4" anywhere.The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2". I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that hada small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine horsepower,but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows where that camefrom.Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and noton some modification that some, unknown person came up with. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderki ... -00582Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:14:46 -0700 (PDT)
Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the contents ofeach wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by Mark).I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I alreadyhave all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The wing kit lists500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for 1/4" x 1/4" anywhere.The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2". I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that hada small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine horsepower,but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows where that camefrom.Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and noton some modification that some, unknown person came up with. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderki ... -00582Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:14:46 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Bill C., you are correct that the reference to 1/4"x 1/4" capstrip is NOT on thePietenpol plans, but it is shown on the Grega GN-1 plans. They state that 1/4"x 1/4" is acceptable for engines up to 65hp (I think, plans not in front ofme), but for engines above 65hp to use 1/4"x 1/2" capstrip for the ribs.I have not built my Piet ribs yet, but I will follow convention and stick to the1/4"x 1/2" capstrips on mine.--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Bill C., you are correct that the reference to 1/4"x 1/4" capstrip is NOT on thePietenpol plans, but it is shown on the Grega GN-1 plans. They state that 1/4"x 1/4" is acceptable for engines up to 65hp (I think, plans not in front ofme), but for engines above 65hp to use 1/4"x 1/2" capstrip for the ribs.I have not built my Piet ribs yet, but I will follow convention and stick to the1/4"x 1/2" capstrips on mine.--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Oh man... I sure am glad that I didn't start this thread. How does that go? Don't disconcert the masses, right? --------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Oh man... I sure am glad that I didn't start this thread. How does that go? Don't disconcert the masses, right? --------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> Hey Guys, Regarding wood kits:>> My business partner and I took a business trip last week to LA for a> conference (thus the lack of posts), and on the way down we began assembling> prices and material lists for some wood kits that we mentioned last week or> so ago on the list. We have both a CNC router (5' x 10' MultiCam CNC router> and a 4' x 8' laser table), and have some spruce on hand that is spar grade> stuff, but after the response we got, we began thinking that we would offer> some sub-assembly kits. These would offer the spruce parts as well as the> ply parts cut to shape using the CNC stuff.>> Planning all of this was the bulk of our discussion in the car (both> directions) on the 4 hour trip. We have some of the kit info together, and I> have been working to find some of the carriers that can ship reasonably all> over the country. I haven't posted all this yet as I was wanting to have all> the info for the number of requests we've had.>> I just checked ACS and saw that they now have sub kits available, which was> what we were thinking of offering. I can't remember if I posted this earlier> when I mentioned that we'd be offering kits, but I think it's great that> those options are available! It makes it better for ALL of us to have> options, and the ability to choose.>> We got a new web address for all of this (www.PietenParts.com or> www.PietParts.com ), and I can tell you that> our kits and sub kits will be CNC cut Plywood parts and will have all of the> materials listed so you can see what you are getting. I noticed this was> missing when I went to the ACS site... But, nice to see the sub kits which> is what I was planning to offer originally.>> By the way, we are going to offer our kits with CNC machined rib jigs for> the Original FC-10 airfoil, the Riblett GA-30-612 and the Riblett> GA-30-613.5 airfoils.>> One additional item that I am very excited about offering is a rib stick> cutting jig that will cut the internal rib sticks for each rib easily> and accurately! It can reduce the amount of time it takes to cut the sticks> down to a short afternoon, and they'll snap in place! So far I have the one> for the Riblett 613.5 finished, and I still need to finish the FC-10 jig,> and the FC-10 and Riblett 612 cutting jig. I cut the parts for the internal> rib sticks very accuratly, and importantly, quickly.>> We hope to have the website up and running before long:>> www.PietenParts.com or www.PietParts.comwill eventually get you to the same place!>> By the way, we are pricing the Wing Rib kits, with the Bending Jig, The> Stick Cutting Jig, and the actual Rib Jig for much less than what I saw on> ACS. We are including a 'No Spar' option where you can just buy rib stuff> with out spars to see if you even want to go further into the project before> committing serious money. Some people may tire after ribs
>> More soon.>> Mark>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Gary Boothe > > wrote:>> >>> Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1@gmail.com.> I know he doesn't> have kit prices yet, but he has wood...>> Gary Boothe> Cool, CA> Pietenpol> WW Corvair Conversion> Tail done, Fuselage on gear> 20 ribs done>> -----Original Message-----
>> Hey Guys, Regarding wood kits:>> My business partner and I took a business trip last week to LA for a> conference (thus the lack of posts), and on the way down we began assembling> prices and material lists for some wood kits that we mentioned last week or> so ago on the list. We have both a CNC router (5' x 10' MultiCam CNC router> and a 4' x 8' laser table), and have some spruce on hand that is spar grade> stuff, but after the response we got, we began thinking that we would offer> some sub-assembly kits. These would offer the spruce parts as well as the> ply parts cut to shape using the CNC stuff.>> Planning all of this was the bulk of our discussion in the car (both> directions) on the 4 hour trip. We have some of the kit info together, and I> have been working to find some of the carriers that can ship reasonably all> over the country. I haven't posted all this yet as I was wanting to have all> the info for the number of requests we've had.>> I just checked ACS and saw that they now have sub kits available, which was> what we were thinking of offering. I can't remember if I posted this earlier> when I mentioned that we'd be offering kits, but I think it's great that> those options are available! It makes it better for ALL of us to have> options, and the ability to choose.>> We got a new web address for all of this (www.PietenParts.com or> www.PietParts.com ), and I can tell you that> our kits and sub kits will be CNC cut Plywood parts and will have all of the> materials listed so you can see what you are getting. I noticed this was> missing when I went to the ACS site... But, nice to see the sub kits which> is what I was planning to offer originally.>> By the way, we are going to offer our kits with CNC machined rib jigs for> the Original FC-10 airfoil, the Riblett GA-30-612 and the Riblett> GA-30-613.5 airfoils.>> One additional item that I am very excited about offering is a rib stick> cutting jig that will cut the internal rib sticks for each rib easily> and accurately! It can reduce the amount of time it takes to cut the sticks> down to a short afternoon, and they'll snap in place! So far I have the one> for the Riblett 613.5 finished, and I still need to finish the FC-10 jig,> and the FC-10 and Riblett 612 cutting jig. I cut the parts for the internal> rib sticks very accuratly, and importantly, quickly.>> We hope to have the website up and running before long:>> www.PietenParts.com or www.PietParts.comwill eventually get you to the same place!>> By the way, we are pricing the Wing Rib kits, with the Bending Jig, The> Stick Cutting Jig, and the actual Rib Jig for much less than what I saw on> ACS. We are including a 'No Spar' option where you can just buy rib stuff> with out spars to see if you even want to go further into the project before> committing serious money. Some people may tire after ribs
>> More soon.>> Mark>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Gary Boothe > > wrote:>> >>> Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1@gmail.com.> I know he doesn't> have kit prices yet, but he has wood...>> Gary Boothe> Cool, CA> Pietenpol> WW Corvair Conversion> Tail done, Fuselage on gear> 20 ribs done>> -----Original Message-----