Original Posted By: "bcolleran"
DouweThe boat guys really like West Systems for their fiberglass stuff. Easy to measureand work with.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: "Chris"
To weld the or not to weld. That is the question! I have a friend who is willingto do all the landing gear and motor mount welding for me. He is a non-aviationguy but is a master welder. I on the other hand have welded once a longtime ago. What is everyones thoughts?Thanks,BillN424BKRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
To weld the or not to weld. That is the question! I have a friend who is willingto do all the landing gear and motor mount welding for me. He is a non-aviationguy but is a master welder. I on the other hand have welded once a longtime ago. What is everyones thoughts?Thanks,BillN424BKRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Nothing wrong with having someone who knows what they are doing help youout. ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
Nothing wrong with having someone who knows what they are doing help youout. ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: bcolleran
Probably smarter to hire it out; braver to do it yourself. I'm not smart or brave,but I am cheap, so I did my own, with gas...feels great to say, "Yeah, I didthat."Gary Boothe------Original Message------
Probably smarter to hire it out; braver to do it yourself. I'm not smart or brave,but I am cheap, so I did my own, with gas...feels great to say, "Yeah, I didthat."Gary Boothe------Original Message------
Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: Doug Dever
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weldShall we begin at the beginning?Welding and welders certifications and designations are only worth the value of the organization providing them. And all with their own nuisances. One would think that a master welder should be able t weld anything for anyone for any reason. Not true! welding science and technology can be very specialized where only the most basic of skills are transferable, like strikingand holding a arc. Beyond that its all a different game, fillers, fluxes, heats, passes all become part of the equation in all forms of welding. That's not to say you cant trust your friend but you sold know there are varieddifferences in certifications and designations.Boiler makerSprinkler fitterpipe fitterpressure vesselatomic The list becomes as endless as the list of materials. My dad would be considered a Master welder and yet he knew his limitations and would shy away from areas he was not completely confident in his skill level and knowledge, he wouldn't touch the work.Just my opinion for what its worth, good news is that motor mounts is not rocket science but metallurgy sure is close.JohnIn a message dated 9/10/2010 3:22:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bcolleran(at)comcast.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bcolleran" To weld the or not to weld. That is the question! I have a friend who is willing to do all the landing gear and motor mount welding for me. He is a non-aviation guy but is a master welder. I on the other hand have welded once a long time ago. What is everyones thoughts?Thanks,BillN424BKRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weldShall we begin at the beginning?Welding and welders certifications and designations are only worth the value of the organization providing them. And all with their own nuisances. One would think that a master welder should be able t weld anything for anyone for any reason. Not true! welding science and technology can be very specialized where only the most basic of skills are transferable, like strikingand holding a arc. Beyond that its all a different game, fillers, fluxes, heats, passes all become part of the equation in all forms of welding. That's not to say you cant trust your friend but you sold know there are varieddifferences in certifications and designations.Boiler makerSprinkler fitterpipe fitterpressure vesselatomic The list becomes as endless as the list of materials. My dad would be considered a Master welder and yet he knew his limitations and would shy away from areas he was not completely confident in his skill level and knowledge, he wouldn't touch the work.Just my opinion for what its worth, good news is that motor mounts is not rocket science but metallurgy sure is close.JohnIn a message dated 9/10/2010 3:22:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bcolleran(at)comcast.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bcolleran" To weld the or not to weld. That is the question! I have a friend who is willing to do all the landing gear and motor mount welding for me. He is a non-aviation guy but is a master welder. I on the other hand have welded once a long time ago. What is everyones thoughts?Thanks,BillN424BKRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By:> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com
If you weld with gas (oxy acetyline) you don't have to worry about much of the stuff that the TIG/MIG guys have to worry about. But it takes a little practice to lay a good weld and the right rod and torch tip for the job. Gas welding equip. is much cheaper and in my opinion more versatile=2C but I'm also comfortable with it. There is not much to weld on a piet=2C so If you don't have the equipment I'd say hire it done.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio> Date: Fri=2C 10 Sep 2010 15:57:52 -0400
If you weld with gas (oxy acetyline) you don't have to worry about much of the stuff that the TIG/MIG guys have to worry about. But it takes a little practice to lay a good weld and the right rod and torch tip for the job. Gas welding equip. is much cheaper and in my opinion more versatile=2C but I'm also comfortable with it. There is not much to weld on a piet=2C so If you don't have the equipment I'd say hire it done.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio> Date: Fri=2C 10 Sep 2010 15:57:52 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
One other thing that I don't see people mentioning much is the FAA A&P Airframe Handbook. It's a good reference to go to for everything from welding to riveting to fabric work etc. Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio
One other thing that I don't see people mentioning much is the FAA A&P Airframe Handbook. It's a good reference to go to for everything from welding to riveting to fabric work etc. Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio
Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Well I thought I had a nice looking hour meter in the project I bought from D.J.till I tried to figure out how to hook it up just now.I didn't get any manualswith the project but this nice looking Davtron M 800 Chronometer in the panel.it looks really sharp and I assumed it would function as a hour meter to recordtotal aircraft hours. but just now I called the factory and it seems it'smain function is a flight timer or such. I need something like a plain old Hobbsmeter.so if anybody needs this thing send me an email.we can talk trade.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:37:29 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Well I thought I had a nice looking hour meter in the project I bought from D.J.till I tried to figure out how to hook it up just now.I didn't get any manualswith the project but this nice looking Davtron M 800 Chronometer in the panel.it looks really sharp and I assumed it would function as a hour meter to recordtotal aircraft hours. but just now I called the factory and it seems it'smain function is a flight timer or such. I need something like a plain old Hobbsmeter.so if anybody needs this thing send me an email.we can talk trade.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:37:29 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
RE: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
There's not much to weld on a Piet? Let's see, there's just the aileronhorns, the elevator horns, the rudder horn, the control system torque tube,the control sticks, the cabane struts, the lift struts, the landing gearstruts (if using the Cub style gear), the engine mount, the aileron pulleyfittings, etc., etc. Other than that there's not much welding required.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
There's not much to weld on a Piet? Let's see, there's just the aileronhorns, the elevator horns, the rudder horn, the control system torque tube,the control sticks, the cabane struts, the lift struts, the landing gearstruts (if using the Cub style gear), the engine mount, the aileron pulleyfittings, etc., etc. Other than that there's not much welding required.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
RE: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Oops, I forgot the elevator bellcrank and the journals to support the torquetube, and the rudder pedals, and their supports.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
Oops, I forgot the elevator bellcrank and the journals to support the torquetube, and the rudder pedals, and their supports.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
> > Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
> > Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: Mike Volckmann
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane to engine mount struts
Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
I like that! If you have an extra one I'm interested.
--------Dan PlettN28WHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane to engine mount struts
I like that! If you have an extra one I'm interested.
--------Dan PlettN28WHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane to engine mount strutsRE: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net
I stated it wrong. There isn't much welding. Yes=2C a lot of little parts. But=2C not a lot of welding. Of course a lot is a relative thing. And most of the time I can't relate.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio
I stated it wrong. There isn't much welding. Yes=2C a lot of little parts. But=2C not a lot of welding. Of course a lot is a relative thing. And most of the time I can't relate.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio
Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Finished the swap on my split axle gear from bungees to springs. So far so good.This is what I've noticed:- the plane rocks back and forth a bit during taxi - never noticed that with thebungees. Not a problem, just different,- on landing, the plane is a bit more squirrelly. Again, not a problem,just needto be aware, and I'm supposed to be paying attention anyway,- the plane does not squat out under load near as much as it did with the bungees.Thanks to Kelly Klaus. He's one of our list members. He came to visit a coupleof weeks ago and consented to be my crash-test dummy for the gross weight testson the new gear. Trusting guy! Different subject: Tropical Storm Hermine ran 6" of water through my hangar. Reallyinconvenient. No major damage though. I continue to be extremely fortunate.--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:51:09 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Finished the swap on my split axle gear from bungees to springs. So far so good.This is what I've noticed:- the plane rocks back and forth a bit during taxi - never noticed that with thebungees. Not a problem, just different,- on landing, the plane is a bit more squirrelly. Again, not a problem,just needto be aware, and I'm supposed to be paying attention anyway,- the plane does not squat out under load near as much as it did with the bungees.Thanks to Kelly Klaus. He's one of our list members. He came to visit a coupleof weeks ago and consented to be my crash-test dummy for the gross weight testson the new gear. Trusting guy! Different subject: Tropical Storm Hermine ran 6" of water through my hangar. Reallyinconvenient. No major damage though. I continue to be extremely fortunate.--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:51:09 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: "Dale Johnson"
I learned to master TIG & GAS welding by myself with lots of metal scrap and mentalfrustration at first, but the end accomplishment was very rewarding.Also ... a little something on TIG welding 4130 (http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/welding-4130.html).Enjoy.WF2.... the real cost of welding is all the clothes that have little burn holes inthem! --------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I learned to master TIG & GAS welding by myself with lots of metal scrap and mentalfrustration at first, but the end accomplishment was very rewarding.Also ... a little something on TIG welding 4130 (http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/welding-4130.html).Enjoy.WF2.... the real cost of welding is all the clothes that have little burn holes inthem! --------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: "Chris"
Ah, yes. Many years ago, in high school, one of my friends went into the welding cubicle wearing a really fancy shirt.He came out wearing a couple of wisps of black carbon and apriceless look on his face.Finally! I have my Terra radio, with built in intercom, wiredand working. I just have to get a friend to help me test thetransmission end of things.So far I'm overjoyed at the reception. My elevation is about200' asl. To the North is Vancouver harbour, tower about400' asl, great reception. To the South, behind a 500' ridge,is Vancouver International, very good, 4 1/2 out of 5.Further South is Boundary Bay and I'd say 3 1/2 to 4 outof 5. So it appears that all those control wires suroundingmy antenna aren't interfering much, if any.Clif> Enjoy.> WF2>> .... the real cost of welding is all the clothes that have little burn > holes in them!________________________________________________________________________________
Ah, yes. Many years ago, in high school, one of my friends went into the welding cubicle wearing a really fancy shirt.He came out wearing a couple of wisps of black carbon and apriceless look on his face.Finally! I have my Terra radio, with built in intercom, wiredand working. I just have to get a friend to help me test thetransmission end of things.So far I'm overjoyed at the reception. My elevation is about200' asl. To the North is Vancouver harbour, tower about400' asl, great reception. To the South, behind a 500' ridge,is Vancouver International, very good, 4 1/2 out of 5.Further South is Boundary Bay and I'd say 3 1/2 to 4 outof 5. So it appears that all those control wires suroundingmy antenna aren't interfering much, if any.Clif> Enjoy.> WF2>> .... the real cost of welding is all the clothes that have little burn > holes in them!________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: instruments
Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weldShall we begin at the beginning?Welding and welders certifications and designations are only worth the value of the organization providing them. And all with their own nuisances. One would think that a master welder should be able t weld anything for anyone for any reason. Not true! welding science and technology can be very specialized where only the most basic of skills are transferable=2C like striking and holding a arc. Beyond that its all a different game=2C fillers=2C fluxes=2C heats=2C passes all become part of the equation in all forms of welding. That's not to say you cant trust your friend but you sold know there are varied differences in certifications and designations.Boiler makerSprinkler fitterpipe fitterpressure vesselatomic The list becomes as endless as the list of materials. My dad would be considered a Master welder and yet he knew his limitations and would shy away from areas he was not completely confident in his skill level and knowledge=2C he wouldn't touch the work.Just my opinion for what its worth=2C good news is that motor mounts is not rocket science but metallurgy sure is close.JohnIn a message dated 9/10/2010 3:22:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C bcolleran(at)comcast.net writes:To weld the or not to weld. That is the question! I have a friend who is willing to do all the landing gear and motor mount welding for me. He is a non-aviation guy but is a master welder. I on the other hand have welded once a long time ago. What is everyones thoughts?Thanks=2CBillN424BKRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ========== - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp=3B ========================= ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: instruments
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weldShall we begin at the beginning?Welding and welders certifications and designations are only worth the value of the organization providing them. And all with their own nuisances. One would think that a master welder should be able t weld anything for anyone for any reason. Not true! welding science and technology can be very specialized where only the most basic of skills are transferable=2C like striking and holding a arc. Beyond that its all a different game=2C fillers=2C fluxes=2C heats=2C passes all become part of the equation in all forms of welding. That's not to say you cant trust your friend but you sold know there are varied differences in certifications and designations.Boiler makerSprinkler fitterpipe fitterpressure vesselatomic The list becomes as endless as the list of materials. My dad would be considered a Master welder and yet he knew his limitations and would shy away from areas he was not completely confident in his skill level and knowledge=2C he wouldn't touch the work.Just my opinion for what its worth=2C good news is that motor mounts is not rocket science but metallurgy sure is close.JohnIn a message dated 9/10/2010 3:22:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C bcolleran(at)comcast.net writes:To weld the or not to weld. That is the question! I have a friend who is willing to do all the landing gear and motor mount welding for me. He is a non-aviation guy but is a master welder. I on the other hand have welded once a long time ago. What is everyones thoughts?Thanks=2CBillN424BKRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ========== - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp=3B ========================= ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: instruments
RE: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By:> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com
RE: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By:> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com
RE: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By:> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com
RE: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
There=92s not much to weld on a Piet? Let=92s see=2C there=92s just the aileron horns=2C the elevator horns=2C the rudder horn=2C the control system torque tube=2C the control sticks=2C the cabane struts=2C the lift struts=2C the landing gear struts (if using the Cub style gear)=2C the engine mount=2C the aileron pulley fittings=2C etc.=2C etc. Other than that there=92s not much welding required.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh=2C NC
There=92s not much to weld on a Piet? Let=92s see=2C there=92s just the aileron horns=2C the elevator horns=2C the rudder horn=2C the control system torque tube=2C the control sticks=2C the cabane struts=2C the lift struts=2C the landing gear struts (if using the Cub style gear)=2C the engine mount=2C the aileron pulley fittings=2C etc.=2C etc. Other than that there=92s not much welding required.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh=2C NC
RE: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By:> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com
> ** RE: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By:> > jim_markle(at)mindspring.com
Pietenpol-List: Re: to weld or not to weld
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted> by: "skellytown flyer" > > How were you planning on making these louvers? I had given> thought to getting some in the sides of my lower cowl,and> may some day more for looks but not sure I could do any kind> of a decent job by hand. I have seen advertisements in car> magazines for people who do such things and I'm guessing> they have some kind of special tool for it. also I am not> sure how well light aluminum would hold the shape and not> develop cracks pretty fast. Raymond> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 284#312284> > > > > > > > Email Forum -> FAQ,> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> List Contribution Web Site -> -Matt> Dralle, List Admin.> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: to weld or not to weld
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted> by: "skellytown flyer" > > How were you planning on making these louvers? I had given> thought to getting some in the sides of my lower cowl,and> may some day more for looks but not sure I could do any kind> of a decent job by hand. I have seen advertisements in car> magazines for people who do such things and I'm guessing> they have some kind of special tool for it. also I am not> sure how well light aluminum would hold the shape and not> develop cracks pretty fast. Raymond> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 284#312284> > > > > > > > Email Forum -> FAQ,> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> List Contribution Web Site -> -Matt> Dralle, List Admin.> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: to weld or not to weld