Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Jorge wrote [translated]-> >can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanfordJorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hoursdepending on how much of it you construct yourself.- Some buildersmake all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some ofthe metal fittings and other parts already made.- Some buildersmake things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, whichmeans laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand.- Somebuilders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrumentpanels, like Clif Dawson.- Some builders spend weeks and monthsmaking their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or convertingtheir own Ford or Corvair engines.- Just too many variables.Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half aday Sunday, every week except on holidays.- Maybe 15 hours per weekfor 45 weeks in a year.- That's 675 hours.- If you built your Pietvery simply and without modifications or changes from the plans andit took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplaneall day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociableold sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends overthe holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for juryduty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keysto a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury withKevin and I ;o)Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- -------- ------ --- - le, List Admin.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Re: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
My story:I have been building my entire plane from scratch myself. I buy my wood in bulk, rough cut and then fabricate whatever pieces I need. I have also done all my own metal work, welding, modifications, etc.- (I plan on doing the balance of the project myself as well.) I AVERAGE ABOUT 2-3 hours of work a day on it...I'm guessing. I am almost 2.5 years into the project and GUESS I have about 1.5 - 2 more to go. Hopefully, this will give you a good real world idea of time involved.- The best advise I can give you is to enjoy the time you spend building...even if it seems you are not spending much time with it.Consistent, steady working/building will get it done and you will enjoy the entire process more.--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
My story:I have been building my entire plane from scratch myself. I buy my wood in bulk, rough cut and then fabricate whatever pieces I need. I have also done all my own metal work, welding, modifications, etc.- (I plan on doing the balance of the project myself as well.) I AVERAGE ABOUT 2-3 hours of work a day on it...I'm guessing. I am almost 2.5 years into the project and GUESS I have about 1.5 - 2 more to go. Hopefully, this will give you a good real world idea of time involved.- The best advise I can give you is to enjoy the time you spend building...even if it seems you are not spending much time with it.Consistent, steady working/building will get it done and you will enjoy the entire process more.--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Original Posted By: jorge lizarraga
Jorge wrote [translated]-> >can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanfordJorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hoursdepending on how much of it you construct yourself.- Some buildersmake all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some ofthe metal fittings and other parts already made.- Some buildersmake things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, whichmeans laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand.- Somebuilders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrumentpanels, like Clif Dawson.- Some builders spend weeks and monthsmaking their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or convertingtheir own Ford or Corvair engines.- Just too many variables.Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half aday Sunday, every week except on holidays.- Maybe 15 hours per weekfor 45 weeks in a year.- That's 675 hours.- If you built your Pietvery simply and without modifications or changes from the plans andit took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplaneall day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociableold sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends overthe holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for juryduty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keysto a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury withKevin and I ;o)Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- -------- ------ --- - - - - ---(And Get Some AWESOME such as======== =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:35:01 -0800 (PST)
Jorge wrote [translated]-> >can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanfordJorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hoursdepending on how much of it you construct yourself.- Some buildersmake all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some ofthe metal fittings and other parts already made.- Some buildersmake things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, whichmeans laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand.- Somebuilders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrumentpanels, like Clif Dawson.- Some builders spend weeks and monthsmaking their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or convertingtheir own Ford or Corvair engines.- Just too many variables.Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half aday Sunday, every week except on holidays.- Maybe 15 hours per weekfor 45 weeks in a year.- That's 675 hours.- If you built your Pietvery simply and without modifications or changes from the plans andit took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplaneall day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociableold sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends overthe holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for juryduty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keysto a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury withKevin and I ;o)Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- -------- ------ --- - - - - ---(And Get Some AWESOME such as======== =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:35:01 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
With a few things left to do before building the wingsI have listed in my log 947 hrs. That includes a setof wing ribs.-There are many things that are changes from the plans.My final "choice" of engine and all that entails for instance.I lucked into an engine with 800 hrs on the mains and 25hrs on the top end for $1500. It just happens to be anO-290. Big engine. Weighs a little more than an "A" withradiator and water, maybe 5 lb. For $1500 how could Ipass? Yes, you could say sell it for a profit and getsomething smaller but what for? And how long beforesomething else-turns up that's better for the same price?Oh, by the way, it's certified, logs and everything!-It's taken me ten years to rack up that 947 hrs. a lot ofthat has been lack of money. Buy some stuff, work withit, save up and buy a bit more, etc. Some work related.Somehow ten hours a day seven days a week cuts intobuild time. At least THAT's history.
-How many more hours? hard to say but judging fromwhat's done and what's left, maybe 150 or 200 hrs?-The bottom line is "What are you after?" A finishedplane as soon as possible? The experience of buildingsuch a thing with your own hands regardless of whatit takes? You and you alone get to make the decisionsthat dictate your journey.-Building this airplane, especially this one, has been awonderful experience. This is a fantastic community.Full of good friends all helping each other.-Clif-Be Yourself! Everyone Else Is Taken---- Original Message -----
With a few things left to do before building the wingsI have listed in my log 947 hrs. That includes a setof wing ribs.-There are many things that are changes from the plans.My final "choice" of engine and all that entails for instance.I lucked into an engine with 800 hrs on the mains and 25hrs on the top end for $1500. It just happens to be anO-290. Big engine. Weighs a little more than an "A" withradiator and water, maybe 5 lb. For $1500 how could Ipass? Yes, you could say sell it for a profit and getsomething smaller but what for? And how long beforesomething else-turns up that's better for the same price?Oh, by the way, it's certified, logs and everything!-It's taken me ten years to rack up that 947 hrs. a lot ofthat has been lack of money. Buy some stuff, work withit, save up and buy a bit more, etc. Some work related.Somehow ten hours a day seven days a week cuts intobuild time. At least THAT's history.
-How many more hours? hard to say but judging fromwhat's done and what's left, maybe 150 or 200 hrs?-The bottom line is "What are you after?" A finishedplane as soon as possible? The experience of buildingsuch a thing with your own hands regardless of whatit takes? You and you alone get to make the decisionsthat dictate your journey.-Building this airplane, especially this one, has been awonderful experience. This is a fantastic community.Full of good friends all helping each other.-Clif-Be Yourself! Everyone Else Is Taken---- Original Message ----- Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Jorge wrote [translated]-> >can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanfordJorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hoursdepending on how much of it you construct yourself. Some buildersmake all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some ofthe metal fittings and other parts already made. Some buildersmake things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, whichmeans laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand. Somebuilders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrumentpanels, like Clif Dawson. Some builders spend weeks and monthsmaking their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or convertingtheir own Ford or Corvair engines. Just too many variables.Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half aday Sunday, every week except on holidays. Maybe 15 hours per weekfor 45 weeks in a year. That's 675 hours. If you built your Pietvery simply and without modifications or changes from the plans andit took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplaneall day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociableold sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends overthe holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for juryduty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keysto a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury withKevin and I ;o)Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:07:40 -0800 (PST)
Jorge wrote [translated]-> >can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanfordJorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hoursdepending on how much of it you construct yourself. Some buildersmake all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some ofthe metal fittings and other parts already made. Some buildersmake things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, whichmeans laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand. Somebuilders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrumentpanels, like Clif Dawson. Some builders spend weeks and monthsmaking their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or convertingtheir own Ford or Corvair engines. Just too many variables.Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half aday Sunday, every week except on holidays. Maybe 15 hours per weekfor 45 weeks in a year. That's 675 hours. If you built your Pietvery simply and without modifications or changes from the plans andit took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplaneall day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociableold sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends overthe holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for juryduty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keysto a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury withKevin and I ;o)Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:07:40 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper construction time
Original Posted By: "coxwelljon"
Just got the fuel tanks done.Boyd Welding in Florida.Super job.$800. 21 in nose10.5 in the wing.dave--------Building a PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper construction time
Just got the fuel tanks done.Boyd Welding in Florida.Super job.$800. 21 in nose10.5 in the wing.dave--------Building a PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper construction time
Original Posted By: jorge lizarraga
Another story,I spent 30 years thinking about it and looking at different plans. Then I spent2 years following planes on eBay until I found the project I bought, a GN-1approximately 75% done.I brought the project home and spent 2 years building a shop addition on the garage.I spent a lot of time being overwhelmed trying to figure out where to startand then 2 summers replacing the roof on the garage and house to match theshop addition.Then I really got into the project, taking pictures and trying to figure out theplans. Next phase was to look carefully at what the previous builders had doneand then start re-doing much of it. That took another year. Now I am 75%complete and making progress. I was able to spend about 10 hrs a week untilthe house needed painting. The paint scraping revealed rotten wood which meantreplacing some structure. In the process I found some trim that was neverdone on the shop. You get the pictureThe economy slowed down and I found it necessary to spend a little more time marketingmy business, (architecture) but I still get in some time each week. TheGN-1 was supposed to fly this summer, but the fuselage is still uncovered andthe corvair engine needing to be reworked. Maybe next summer it will fly.Enjoy the journey!Jon Coxwell--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:26:33 -0800 (PST)
Another story,I spent 30 years thinking about it and looking at different plans. Then I spent2 years following planes on eBay until I found the project I bought, a GN-1approximately 75% done.I brought the project home and spent 2 years building a shop addition on the garage.I spent a lot of time being overwhelmed trying to figure out where to startand then 2 summers replacing the roof on the garage and house to match theshop addition.Then I really got into the project, taking pictures and trying to figure out theplans. Next phase was to look carefully at what the previous builders had doneand then start re-doing much of it. That took another year. Now I am 75%complete and making progress. I was able to spend about 10 hrs a week untilthe house needed painting. The paint scraping revealed rotten wood which meantreplacing some structure. In the process I found some trim that was neverdone on the shop. You get the pictureThe economy slowed down and I found it necessary to spend a little more time marketingmy business, (architecture) but I still get in some time each week. TheGN-1 was supposed to fly this summer, but the fuselage is still uncovered andthe corvair engine needing to be reworked. Maybe next summer it will fly.Enjoy the journey!Jon Coxwell--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:26:33 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
With a few things left to do before building the wingsI have listed in my log 947 hrs. That includes a setof wing ribs.There are many things that are changes from the plans.My final "choice" of engine and all that entails for instance.I lucked into an engine with 800 hrs on the mains and 25hrs on the top end for $1500. It just happens to be anO-290. Big engine. Weighs a little more than an "A" withradiator and water, maybe 5 lb. For $1500 how could Ipass? Yes, you could say sell it for a profit and getsomething smaller but what for? And how long beforesomething else turns up that's better for the same price?Oh, by the way, it's certified, logs and everything!It's taken me ten years to rack up that 947 hrs. a lot ofthat has been lack of money. Buy some stuff, work withit, save up and buy a bit more, etc. Some work related.Somehow ten hours a day seven days a week cuts intobuild time. At least THAT's history. :-)How many more hours? hard to say but judging fromwhat's done and what's left, maybe 150 or 200 hrs?The bottom line is "What are you after?" A finishedplane as soon as possible? The experience of buildingsuch a thing with your own hands regardless of whatit takes? You and you alone get to make the decisionsthat dictate your journey.Building this airplane, especially this one, has been awonderful experience. This is a fantastic community.Full of good friends all helping each other.ClifBe Yourself! Everyone Else Is Taken--- Original Message -----
With a few things left to do before building the wingsI have listed in my log 947 hrs. That includes a setof wing ribs.There are many things that are changes from the plans.My final "choice" of engine and all that entails for instance.I lucked into an engine with 800 hrs on the mains and 25hrs on the top end for $1500. It just happens to be anO-290. Big engine. Weighs a little more than an "A" withradiator and water, maybe 5 lb. For $1500 how could Ipass? Yes, you could say sell it for a profit and getsomething smaller but what for? And how long beforesomething else turns up that's better for the same price?Oh, by the way, it's certified, logs and everything!It's taken me ten years to rack up that 947 hrs. a lot ofthat has been lack of money. Buy some stuff, work withit, save up and buy a bit more, etc. Some work related.Somehow ten hours a day seven days a week cuts intobuild time. At least THAT's history. :-)How many more hours? hard to say but judging fromwhat's done and what's left, maybe 150 or 200 hrs?The bottom line is "What are you after?" A finishedplane as soon as possible? The experience of buildingsuch a thing with your own hands regardless of whatit takes? You and you alone get to make the decisionsthat dictate your journey.Building this airplane, especially this one, has been awonderful experience. This is a fantastic community.Full of good friends all helping each other.ClifBe Yourself! Everyone Else Is Taken--- Original Message -----