Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Hi again Terry, just went to the piet/matronics site...i see your a 'jarheadpilot'....i'ma 'heavyliftpilot' (CH-47D), with the Nat Gaurd here in savannah.jamesRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
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Original Posted By: "Larry Vetter"
Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I havecome up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to purchasewood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with pine. Not happenin').So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious builder, I am wonderingthe following-1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessaryto use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it tosize myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwiseI need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someonedo it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness.2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or canI cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them prior tovarnishing them?My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then plane andcut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or S2S then thatis what I will do.Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I want todo things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no such thingas a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely close." Thismay be on of those close questions.--------Semper Fi,TerryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin
Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I havecome up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to purchasewood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with pine. Not happenin').So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious builder, I am wonderingthe following-1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessaryto use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it tosize myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwiseI need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someonedo it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness.2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or canI cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them prior tovarnishing them?My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then plane andcut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or S2S then thatis what I will do.Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I want todo things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no such thingas a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely close." Thismay be on of those close questions.--------Semper Fi,TerryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin
Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I havecome up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to purchasewood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with pine. Not happenin').So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious builder, I am wonderingthe following-1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessaryto use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it tosize myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwiseI need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someonedo it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness.2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or canI cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them prior tovarnishing them?My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then plane andcut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or S2S then thatis what I will do.Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I want todo things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no such thingas a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely close." Thismay be on of those close questions.--------Semper Fi,TerryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I havecome up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to purchasewood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with pine. Not happenin').So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious builder, I am wonderingthe following-1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessaryto use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it tosize myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwiseI need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someonedo it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness.2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or canI cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them prior tovarnishing them?My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then plane andcut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or S2S then thatis what I will do.Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I want todo things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no such thingas a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely close." Thismay be on of those close questions.--------Semper Fi,TerryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Sorry, I should have posted this earlier. You can keep up with updates at Caringbridge.org when you get to the caringbridgepage you type in amandafranklin ( no spaces)in the place it ask what websiteyou want to visit. You will have to enter an email address and then createa password, but you will be sent any updates to the journal. You can sign thegeastbook as well. Here are a couple good places to donate, all donations go to them http://www.moonlightfund.org orwww.icasfoundation.org Amanda has a long recovery road ahead of her and needs all the prayers and supportthey both can get. Thanks LarryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Sorry, I should have posted this earlier. You can keep up with updates at Caringbridge.org when you get to the caringbridgepage you type in amandafranklin ( no spaces)in the place it ask what websiteyou want to visit. You will have to enter an email address and then createa password, but you will be sent any updates to the journal. You can sign thegeastbook as well. Here are a couple good places to donate, all donations go to them http://www.moonlightfund.org orwww.icasfoundation.org Amanda has a long recovery road ahead of her and needs all the prayers and supportthey both can get. Thanks LarryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: "Scott Knowlton "
I ask dumb questions all the time and they're happy to tell me about it.You can do all the milling/planing/finishing yourself if you have the tools. Ithink you mentioned you're a woodworker. If I had a decent tablesaw and maybea planer I would not hesitate to do my own milling. If you don't like yourlocal wood you can do as you said and order larger pieces of stock from one ofthe aircraft supply houses. There may be some other sources as well, the groupwill certainly tell you about them. There's a recent thread talking abouthow many big boards you need to whittle down to make all your rib stock.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I ask dumb questions all the time and they're happy to tell me about it.You can do all the milling/planing/finishing yourself if you have the tools. Ithink you mentioned you're a woodworker. If I had a decent tablesaw and maybea planer I would not hesitate to do my own milling. If you don't like yourlocal wood you can do as you said and order larger pieces of stock from one ofthe aircraft supply houses. There may be some other sources as well, the groupwill certainly tell you about them. There's a recent thread talking abouthow many big boards you need to whittle down to make all your rib stock.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: jarheadpilot82
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?Terry, My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004 or soand followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8 by 12 Sitkaboards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine cutting bladeand a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the capstrip with a block sanderbefore dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you build will likely have smallimperfections in height where the intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussettsjust remove the height difference with a bastard file. Charlie built hisribs with red cedar floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs areoverbuilt. Have fun! Scott Knowlton -----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?Terry, My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004 or soand followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8 by 12 Sitkaboards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine cutting bladeand a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the capstrip with a block sanderbefore dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you build will likely have smallimperfections in height where the intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussettsjust remove the height difference with a bastard file. Charlie built hisribs with red cedar floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs areoverbuilt. Have fun! Scott Knowlton -----Original Message-----
Original Posted By: Owen Davies
Terry,The answer depends on the equipment you have at your disposal, and how much youenjoy cutting wood. It sounds like you have a tablesaw, but not a thickness planer.Provided the wood you can get is not too rough, to cut your own capstripsand even longerons, a half-decent tablesaw is all you really need. I boughtrough sawn Sitka and cut all of my wood myself from 2" x 6" planks. I did runmy boards through a thickness planer (S2S), but only because I have one. Butif I didn't have the planer, I could have easily done the job without planing,because the boards were good quality, with no cupping or twist. You would justneed to get one straight side on the plank to work from, and just use the tablesawblade to remove the rough sawn surface. It just requires a few extra passesthrough the saw, and possible a very slight reduction in the yield from aboard.One thing I would recommend is that you invest $50 or so in a nice NEW rippingblade for your tablesaw. And, if you don't already have one, get yourself a featherboard.The featherboard will help maintain consistant thicknesses and preventkickback. You can rip through the wing rib capstrips in an afternoon, onceyou're set up.And, for what it's worth, I'd spend the few extra bucks for Sitka over DF. It'sjust WAY nicer to work with, and lighter too.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:20:10 -0400
Terry,The answer depends on the equipment you have at your disposal, and how much youenjoy cutting wood. It sounds like you have a tablesaw, but not a thickness planer.Provided the wood you can get is not too rough, to cut your own capstripsand even longerons, a half-decent tablesaw is all you really need. I boughtrough sawn Sitka and cut all of my wood myself from 2" x 6" planks. I did runmy boards through a thickness planer (S2S), but only because I have one. Butif I didn't have the planer, I could have easily done the job without planing,because the boards were good quality, with no cupping or twist. You would justneed to get one straight side on the plank to work from, and just use the tablesawblade to remove the rough sawn surface. It just requires a few extra passesthrough the saw, and possible a very slight reduction in the yield from aboard.One thing I would recommend is that you invest $50 or so in a nice NEW rippingblade for your tablesaw. And, if you don't already have one, get yourself a featherboard.The featherboard will help maintain consistant thicknesses and preventkickback. You can rip through the wing rib capstrips in an afternoon, onceyou're set up.And, for what it's worth, I'd spend the few extra bucks for Sitka over DF. It'sjust WAY nicer to work with, and lighter too.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:20:10 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?So what is S2S, S4S?In a message dated 3/31/2011 11:07:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owen5819(at)comcast.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Owen Davies On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness.For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with a planer blade on the table saw.Owen________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?So what is S2S, S4S?In a message dated 3/31/2011 11:07:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owen5819(at)comcast.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Owen Davies On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness.For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with a planer blade on the table saw.Owen________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?The answers have been correct. I bought all my dimensioned wood in the form of Spar material. (Spruce from AS.) Get a good rip blade, around 26 teeth on a 10" blade. Don't use a combo blade.Plan your cuts. Start with the biggest pieces first. You can make your own feather boards. Good luck Dave ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:22:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?The answers have been correct. I bought all my dimensioned wood in the form of Spar material. (Spruce from AS.) Get a good rip blade, around 26 teeth on a 10" blade. Don't use a combo blade.Plan your cuts. Start with the biggest pieces first. You can make your own feather boards. Good luck Dave ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:22:34 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Terry,Congratulations, you are entering into a fantastic journey, one I couldn'tdo without. I'm already thinking what my next project will be.I cut and planed all my wood with the exception of the capstrips. They arepretty small and you waste a LOT of expensive wood milling yourself. Itwill be much easier to fit the rib parts properly if it's S4S. I haveDouglas Fir and Sitka in my ship. The Spruce is much better to work with.Enjoy!JackDSM -----Original Message-----
Terry,Congratulations, you are entering into a fantastic journey, one I couldn'tdo without. I'm already thinking what my next project will be.I cut and planed all my wood with the exception of the capstrips. They arepretty small and you waste a LOT of expensive wood milling yourself. Itwill be much easier to fit the rib parts properly if it's S4S. I haveDouglas Fir and Sitka in my ship. The Spruce is much better to work with.Enjoy!JackDSM -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
#2. I recommend spruce over douglas fir also. I just went through a very dissapointing experience by using fir (see the 'wings' thread of the past few days). A/S sells 1/4X1/2 capstrip for $ 0.32 per foot. 500 ft would be $160. Unless you can buy spruce boards a lot cheaper than that, I would recommend buying the capstrip already cut - ready to use.----- Original Message -----
#2. I recommend spruce over douglas fir also. I just went through a very dissapointing experience by using fir (see the 'wings' thread of the past few days). A/S sells 1/4X1/2 capstrip for $ 0.32 per foot. 500 ft would be $160. Unless you can buy spruce boards a lot cheaper than that, I would recommend buying the capstrip already cut - ready to use.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: "Scott Knowlton "
Terry, my son has a very accurate table saw and we sawed the 1/2 x 1/4 strips on it and they turned out great. One 12-foot 1X6 sawn in two makes, of course, two 6-foot pieces. we got 16 1/4-inch wide (96 feet) strips out of each six-foot board. We used a very fine saw blade and we didn't feel that any sanding was necessary. The wing will use up about 500 feet of cap strip so 6 six-foot (3 twelve-foot) 1X6 boards will yield about 576 feet of cap strip. If you use a thicker saw blade (1/8-inch thick) you will get only 14 strips out of a 5.5-inch wide board, but that will still yield about 504 feet of strip.----- Original Message -----
Terry, my son has a very accurate table saw and we sawed the 1/2 x 1/4 strips on it and they turned out great. One 12-foot 1X6 sawn in two makes, of course, two 6-foot pieces. we got 16 1/4-inch wide (96 feet) strips out of each six-foot board. We used a very fine saw blade and we didn't feel that any sanding was necessary. The wing will use up about 500 feet of cap strip so 6 six-foot (3 twelve-foot) 1X6 boards will yield about 576 feet of cap strip. If you use a thicker saw blade (1/8-inch thick) you will get only 14 strips out of a 5.5-inch wide board, but that will still yield about 504 feet of strip.----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
S2S is finished on only 2 sides - the other 2 are rough. S4S is finished all 4 sides. OK? ----- Original Message -----
S2S is finished on only 2 sides - the other 2 are rough. S4S is finished all 4 sides. OK? ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: _RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com_ (mailto:RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?got it! I thought that was the answer, but wanted to be sure. I don't post here much, but one day when I get rich I'm selling my Mustang II project and building a Pietenpol!In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:10:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cncampbell(at)windstream.net writes:S2S is finished on only 2 sides - the other 2 are rough. S4S is finished all 4 sides. OK?----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?got it! I thought that was the answer, but wanted to be sure. I don't post here much, but one day when I get rich I'm selling my Mustang II project and building a Pietenpol!In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:10:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cncampbell(at)windstream.net writes:S2S is finished on only 2 sides - the other 2 are rough. S4S is finished all 4 sides. OK?----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Scott Knowlton "
I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't have a wood working class). What is a featherboard?----- Original Message -----
I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't have a wood working class). What is a featherboard?----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Jim Markle"
Jim, what do you do -- clamp the featherboard to the saw table?----- Original Message -----
Jim, what do you do -- clamp the featherboard to the saw table?----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: "Owen Davies"
>From what I gather at the A/S catalogue page on the internet, 4" wide spar stock is the smallest S2S lumber you can buy. Anyone have a different opinion?----- Original Message -----
>From what I gather at the A/S catalogue page on the internet, 4" wide spar stock is the smallest S2S lumber you can buy. Anyone have a different opinion?----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Thanks, Susan. Give our best to Gardiner. We're thinking of him and all the restof the group.Kevin--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Thanks, Susan. Give our best to Gardiner. We're thinking of him and all the restof the group.Kevin--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Chuck,Typically, the featherboard is wedged into the miter slot of the table saw top,and prevented from sliding, but they can also be secured with clamps or verystrong magnets.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/feat ... ______Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:09:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Chuck,Typically, the featherboard is wedged into the miter slot of the table saw top,and prevented from sliding, but they can also be secured with clamps or verystrong magnets.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/feat ... ______Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:09:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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Original Posted By: "coxwelljon"
A real bummer.
--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
A real bummer.
--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
[quote="TOMS(at)mcpcity.com"]Keep in mind that if you cut your own the kerf widthof the saw blade will eat up some of your expensive wood. For this reasona band saw may be a better option than a table saw, particularly if you are cuttinglots of small slices such as cap strip. Many of the cap strip examplesI have seen leave the wood in a fairly rough condition. I chose to sand mine smoothto help avoid snagging of the cloth when covering. Since I have not coveredanything yet I can not tell you that this was the way to go.> I agree with Tom, if you have access to a band saw and a good resaw blade fromHighland Woodworking you can cut your cap strips with a lot less waste and muchsafer than a table saw, The resaw blade will leave them smooth enough thatyou should barely need sanding.--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
[quote="TOMS(at)mcpcity.com"]Keep in mind that if you cut your own the kerf widthof the saw blade will eat up some of your expensive wood. For this reasona band saw may be a better option than a table saw, particularly if you are cuttinglots of small slices such as cap strip. Many of the cap strip examplesI have seen leave the wood in a fairly rough condition. I chose to sand mine smoothto help avoid snagging of the cloth when covering. Since I have not coveredanything yet I can not tell you that this was the way to go.> I agree with Tom, if you have access to a band saw and a good resaw blade fromHighland Woodworking you can cut your cap strips with a lot less waste and muchsafer than a table saw, The resaw blade will leave them smooth enough thatyou should barely need sanding.--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
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Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
Wow! Lots of great ideas and advice. Thanks to everyone. I will keep you postedand put up some pictures soon.--------Semper Fi,TerryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Wow! Lots of great ideas and advice. Thanks to everyone. I will keep you postedand put up some pictures soon.--------Semper Fi,TerryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
I will second Jon Coxwell's thoughts on the use of the bandsaw. Buy a qualityresawing blade and you'll barely need to sand the sawn edges at all. I've gota decent blade on mine, and many times I don't even need to sand. Depends onthe type and quality of the wood, and the feed rate you use. Trial and errorwill let you know when you have a good feed rate into the blade. And spruceis definitely much nicer to work with than fir. Fir tends to splinter a lot, andI'm not fond of picking splinters out of my fingers and hands.--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I will second Jon Coxwell's thoughts on the use of the bandsaw. Buy a qualityresawing blade and you'll barely need to sand the sawn edges at all. I've gota decent blade on mine, and many times I don't even need to sand. Depends onthe type and quality of the wood, and the feed rate you use. Trial and errorwill let you know when you have a good feed rate into the blade. And spruceis definitely much nicer to work with than fir. Fir tends to splinter a lot, andI'm not fond of picking splinters out of my fingers and hands.--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
OOOOPS!That was a personal message, and wasn't intended to go to the List. Please disregard.How did I manage to do that?BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
OOOOPS!That was a personal message, and wasn't intended to go to the List. Please disregard.How did I manage to do that?BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
No piece of wood on the plane needs to be planed smooth, a saw blade finish isfine. I would do an exception to this and have the wing spar planed smooth, ifnot for just inspection.S2S= one face and one side planed smooth other 2 rough cut, made not be sized.S4S= all four surfaces planed smooth and planed.Cutting thin strips of wood on a Table saw is inherently dangerous and all safetyprecautions should be observed.I think you will fined you will waste more wood, due to blade cut width, then purchasingS4S cap strips. Not to mention the time.--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
No piece of wood on the plane needs to be planed smooth, a saw blade finish isfine. I would do an exception to this and have the wing spar planed smooth, ifnot for just inspection.S2S= one face and one side planed smooth other 2 rough cut, made not be sized.S4S= all four surfaces planed smooth and planed.Cutting thin strips of wood on a Table saw is inherently dangerous and all safetyprecautions should be observed.I think you will fined you will waste more wood, due to blade cut width, then purchasingS4S cap strips. Not to mention the time.--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
> To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?>> >> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I > have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy > to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with > pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious > builder, I am wondering the following->> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it > necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber > and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a > minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it > myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same > thickness.>> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, > or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand > them prior to varnishing them?>> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then > plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or > S2S then that is what I will do.>> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I > want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no > such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come > extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.>> --------> Semper Fi,>> Terry>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 566#335566>>> ________________________________________________________________________________
> To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?>> >> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I > have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy > to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with > pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious > builder, I am wondering the following->> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it > necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber > and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a > minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it > myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same > thickness.>> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, > or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand > them prior to varnishing them?>> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then > plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or > S2S then that is what I will do.>> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I > want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no > such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come > extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.>> --------> Semper Fi,>> Terry>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 566#335566>>> ________________________________________________________________________________
> Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
Original Posted By: Ryan M
> To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?>> >> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I > have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy > to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with > pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious > builder, I am wondering the following->> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it > necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber > and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a > minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it > myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same > thickness.>> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, > or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand > them prior to varnishing them?>> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then > plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or > S2S then that is what I will do.>> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I > want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no > such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come > extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.>> --------> Semper Fi,>> Terry>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 566#335566>>> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:53:51 -0700 (PDT)
> To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?>> >> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I > have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy > to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with > pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious > builder, I am wondering the following->> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it > necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber > and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a > minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it > myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same > thickness.>> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, > or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand > them prior to varnishing them?>> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then > plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or > S2S then that is what I will do.>> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I > want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no > such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come > extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.>> --------> Semper Fi,>> Terry>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 566#335566>>> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:53:51 -0700 (PDT)