Original Posted By:> hangar10(at)cox.net
We used the spar varnish on-the parts that are covered to seal the-wood.- On the-areas that show, like inside the cockpit we used PPG automotive clear coat.- It is made-for a durable finish coat with UV protection and is tough.- Makes a great finish,-used three-coats. sanded between coats. -A bit expensive.- Vic NX414MV-> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Took 308MB out to the ramp for her first fill-up. All inspection panels are on...shelooks official. Lesson learned? Allow plenty of BS time! One guy drove allthe way down from the north end, just 'cuz he saw the tall tires! Still waitingfor the chic magnet to kick in...Gary from CoolNX308MBSent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
Took 308MB out to the ramp for her first fill-up. All inspection panels are on...shelooks official. Lesson learned? Allow plenty of BS time! One guy drove allthe way down from the north end, just 'cuz he saw the tall tires! Still waitingfor the chic magnet to kick in...Gary from CoolNX308MBSent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
> Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
Original Posted By:> hangar10(at)cox.net
We used the spar varnish on the parts that are covered to seal the wood. On the areas that show=2C like inside the cockpit we used PPG automotive clear coat. It is made for a durable finish coat with UV protection and is tough. Makes a great finish=2C used three coats. sanded between coats. A bit expensive. Vic NX414MV> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
We used the spar varnish on the parts that are covered to seal the wood. On the areas that show=2C like inside the cockpit we used PPG automotive clear coat. It is made for a durable finish coat with UV protection and is tough. Makes a great finish=2C used three coats. sanded between coats. A bit expensive. Vic NX414MV> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
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Original Posted By: "tools"
Shove the potato into the front of your shorts....not the rear.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
Shove the potato into the front of your shorts....not the rear.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
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Original Posted By: "dwilson"
This is really a loaded question, unfortunately...The first question that needs to be answered is what system you're going to useto cover you plane. As it turns out, as far as I can tell, if you're usingpoly fiber stuff, you need an "epoxy varnish", as the MEK used in that systemattacks normal varnishes during its application.Varnish used to be a clue as to what the finish was... no so much anymore. So to make a long story short, check with the manufacturer of your covering systemand see what's compatible. Of course, you can use two different varnishesdepending whether or not it comes in contact.Otherwise, I've found the most "normal" finish available through major retailersis as good as anything. I just recently used some hinky cool high priced stuffthrough a high end retailer (woodcraft or somebody) and got hugely burned.Unless it's a really obvious finish (like danish oil, tung oil, shellac, lacquer,etc.) you don't really know if it's real varnish, or some sort of polymerizedsomething or another so only experience will tell if it's really suitable.Generally speaking, from over 25 years of experience, the finishes available thesedays are really very good and well exceed ANYTHING available back in the thirties,so don't worry too much about it. I've found if you can find somethingthat'll be available for enough years that you can reapply some corporate knowledge,you'll like it.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BS Time
This is really a loaded question, unfortunately...The first question that needs to be answered is what system you're going to useto cover you plane. As it turns out, as far as I can tell, if you're usingpoly fiber stuff, you need an "epoxy varnish", as the MEK used in that systemattacks normal varnishes during its application.Varnish used to be a clue as to what the finish was... no so much anymore. So to make a long story short, check with the manufacturer of your covering systemand see what's compatible. Of course, you can use two different varnishesdepending whether or not it comes in contact.Otherwise, I've found the most "normal" finish available through major retailersis as good as anything. I just recently used some hinky cool high priced stuffthrough a high end retailer (woodcraft or somebody) and got hugely burned.Unless it's a really obvious finish (like danish oil, tung oil, shellac, lacquer,etc.) you don't really know if it's real varnish, or some sort of polymerizedsomething or another so only experience will tell if it's really suitable.Generally speaking, from over 25 years of experience, the finishes available thesedays are really very good and well exceed ANYTHING available back in the thirties,so don't worry too much about it. I've found if you can find somethingthat'll be available for enough years that you can reapply some corporate knowledge,you'll like it.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BS Time
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Ok! Gary, I know how the chick magnet thing works. I would suggest that youshould have someone else stand next to your plane! Ouch.DanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Ok! Gary, I know how the chick magnet thing works. I would suggest that youshould have someone else stand next to your plane! Ouch.DanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: whats the best varnish to use
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Like our Brit Buds.....Clif"I don't want to go to heaven. None of my friends are there."Oscar Wilde or a good wood paint if you like it. did you see old painted wood furniture?. regards Mario Giacummo________________________________________________________________________________
Like our Brit Buds.....Clif"I don't want to go to heaven. None of my friends are there."Oscar Wilde or a good wood paint if you like it. did you see old painted wood furniture?. regards Mario Giacummo________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Did you ever see one of this?--------Mario Giacummohttp://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc0 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
Did you ever see one of this?--------Mario Giacummohttp://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc0 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
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Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
I had spar varnish on my plane for about 30 years. During the rebuild I noticedthat a pin hole fuel leak in my center section fuel tank had caused some wooddamage. The fuel had penetrated the spar varnish and damaged the wood. I hadto replace about 80 percent of my center section. I used epoxy varnish duringthe rebuild, hoping that any new fuel leaks couldn't do any more damage. Timewill tell. My two cents,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
I had spar varnish on my plane for about 30 years. During the rebuild I noticedthat a pin hole fuel leak in my center section fuel tank had caused some wooddamage. The fuel had penetrated the spar varnish and damaged the wood. I hadto replace about 80 percent of my center section. I used epoxy varnish duringthe rebuild, hoping that any new fuel leaks couldn't do any more damage. Timewill tell. My two cents,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
I think both PolyFiber and Randolph use mek based products as a thinner so youmight consider the epoxy varnish under either one. The Randolph STC for certifiedaircraft will tell you if you need to use a specific type.There's always the do-it-yourself test. Varnish a piece of wood, let it dry andthen see if mek does any damage.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
I think both PolyFiber and Randolph use mek based products as a thinner so youmight consider the epoxy varnish under either one. The Randolph STC for certifiedaircraft will tell you if you need to use a specific type.There's always the do-it-yourself test. Varnish a piece of wood, let it dry andthen see if mek does any damage.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
Pietenpol-List: Re: BS Time
Original Posted By: "John Francis"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I applied two coats of Helmsman's spar varnish on my wings=2C tail surfaces and everything that would be covered. It is supposed to be good stuff. On areas that will be exposed or visible=2C I am using System 3's marine grade varnish... it is supposed to have superior UV protectors and it goes on clear (not yellowish)=2C so the wood really looks beautiful. The other major difference... > > Helmsman's = $15 at Home Depot or other home improvement stores.> System 3 = $40 at Woodcraft or other wood working or marine stores. > > Mileage may vary... this is just what I've found.> > --------> Mark Chouinard> Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 763#380763> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BS Time
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I applied two coats of Helmsman's spar varnish on my wings=2C tail surfaces and everything that would be covered. It is supposed to be good stuff. On areas that will be exposed or visible=2C I am using System 3's marine grade varnish... it is supposed to have superior UV protectors and it goes on clear (not yellowish)=2C so the wood really looks beautiful. The other major difference... > > Helmsman's = $15 at Home Depot or other home improvement stores.> System 3 = $40 at Woodcraft or other wood working or marine stores. > > Mileage may vary... this is just what I've found.> > --------> Mark Chouinard> Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 763#380763> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BS Time
Pietenpol-List: Look this blade
Original Posted By: "giacummo"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I applied two coats of Helmsman's spar varnish on my wings, tail surfaces and everything that would be covered. It is supposed to be good stuff. On areas that will be exposed or visible, I am using System 3's marine grade varnish... it is supposed to have superior UV protectors and it goes on clear (not yellowish), so the wood really looks beautiful. The other major difference... > > Helmsman's = $15 at Home Depot or other home improvement stores.> System 3 = $40 at Woodcraft or other wood working or marine stores. > > Mileage may vary... this is just what I've found.> > --------> Mark Chouinard> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 763#380763> > > => > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Look this blade
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I applied two coats of Helmsman's spar varnish on my wings, tail surfaces and everything that would be covered. It is supposed to be good stuff. On areas that will be exposed or visible, I am using System 3's marine grade varnish... it is supposed to have superior UV protectors and it goes on clear (not yellowish), so the wood really looks beautiful. The other major difference... > > Helmsman's = $15 at Home Depot or other home improvement stores.> System 3 = $40 at Woodcraft or other wood working or marine stores. > > Mileage may vary... this is just what I've found.> > --------> Mark Chouinard> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 763#380763> > > => > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Look this blade