Original Posted By: Mark Roberts
I went to a lot of trouble finding a used counter clockwise tach but ended up usinga 90 degree adapter (at tach end of cable) from ASS that can reverse thedirection so the more common clockwise tach (like from a C152) would work. Ofcourse most used tachs may have the wrong redline. Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 22, 2012, at 4:43 PM, John Egan wrote:> > Piet Builders,> > Along the same lines as Greg's question. Does anyone have a suitable> tach for an A65? Please contact me offline. If no used tachs are> found, does anyone know the correct part number for an A65 tach from> the typical suppliers (Aircraft Spruce, Wicks...)?> > My progress report - Have Aircamper project on gear, uncovered. Just> varnished the wings and tail pieces last weekend and made a set of> engine cooling eyebrows. Have the engine hanging, and need to focus> on controls and instruments. Like a tach and tach cable. I also> appreciate the recent progress reports from folks and enjoy seeing the> completions.> > thank you,> John Egan> Greenville, WI> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:30:48 -0700Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
I bent the leading edges around a 3/8 inch round that I welded along the edge ofa 10 inch length of 3/4 inch angle iron. I held the angle iron in a bench visealong with the horn. That's really all there is to it. You can add somegeometry by using a shot bag and a rounded plastic hammer, but not everyone thinksthat is necessary. The fun part comes when you want to weld them together.That is pure pleasure. They look much better when you make them a secondtime.DanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I bent the leading edges around a 3/8 inch round that I welded along the edge ofa 10 inch length of 3/4 inch angle iron. I held the angle iron in a bench visealong with the horn. That's really all there is to it. You can add somegeometry by using a shot bag and a rounded plastic hammer, but not everyone thinksthat is necessary. The fun part comes when you want to weld them together.That is pure pleasure. They look much better when you make them a secondtime.DanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
I knew I had this somewhere. four layers down,in my favourites files;http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText. ... Everything else you could possibly want to knowabout is on this site somewhere also.Except maybe what Jim and Oscar had fordinner that fatefull night.Or what their Significant Others had to say whenthey reached their respective homes!ClifBees and wimmin, blow a little smoke and bothsettle right down.
> Another good source of information on metal, plastic or any other raw > mater> ial is McMaster Carr. They usually have charts outlining strength and > prope> rties of the materials they sell.>> Dan Helsper> Puryear, TN________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn...
I knew I had this somewhere. four layers down,in my favourites files;http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText. ... Everything else you could possibly want to knowabout is on this site somewhere also.Except maybe what Jim and Oscar had fordinner that fatefull night.Or what their Significant Others had to say whenthey reached their respective homes!ClifBees and wimmin, blow a little smoke and bothsettle right down.
> Another good source of information on metal, plastic or any other raw > mater> ial is McMaster Carr. They usually have charts outlining strength and > prope> rties of the materials they sell.>> Dan Helsper> Puryear, TN________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn...Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
Thanks fellers... I see my SMART phone changed some words around in my originalpost and made some of the message more difficult to understand than my normalrumblings ... Posted it at dinner whilst waiting to order.Thanks for the tips... I'm off to mykitplanes.com to have a look. And the ideaof a mandrel welded onto an angle iron sounds promising too. Looking forward topics Jim,And yer traveling AGAIN? No wonder you want a Piet...so you can travel MORE! Goodgrief!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks fellers... I see my SMART phone changed some words around in my originalpost and made some of the message more difficult to understand than my normalrumblings ... Posted it at dinner whilst waiting to order.Thanks for the tips... I'm off to mykitplanes.com to have a look. And the ideaof a mandrel welded onto an angle iron sounds promising too. Looking forward topics Jim,And yer traveling AGAIN? No wonder you want a Piet...so you can travel MORE! Goodgrief!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel ground school review
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel ground school reviewGentlemen, While I have been spending a lot of time flying in my buddies' AeroncaChamp (with him on board), I have never been signed off as a tail wheel pilot.This came to light and As soon as practicable I will get a tail wheel check ride.Hopefully Friday or Saturday.Today, I spent an hour doing ground school with Vern Foster and Lonnie Gillespie,Two of the best old school pilots in this area. Vern is 95 and is still a CFI. He started flying in 1939 and had a long aviationcareer. He was key in developing the Colorado Pilot's Association's Mountainflying course. Lonnie started flying in 1948 and has built two homebuilts, (a Pitts and a casutt)and restored several beech Bonanzas and one aeronca Champ, plus many otherthings. He flies his 1947 Champ every weekday that the winds and weather allow.He flew a buddies' Piet for several years before it was sold. The Basic gist of the ground school was:During preflight look at the tailwheel springs. Make sure they are preloaded withno slack.Vern asked what was hardest about learning to fly a taildragger. I told him thetransition from wheels on the ground to slowing down to a walking pace. Flyingfor fun, we did many touch and goes and I did not like the loss of rudder effectivenesswhen slowing down. He said that was the zone where most tailwheelaccidents happen, from 25 down to 4 MPH.His point, you can't stop a ground loop with brakes, Only with rudder, thereforeuse a burst of power (about mag check RPM). Many groundloops happen becausesomeone tried to stop it with brakes, making it worse.If there is an emergency, don't hesitate to land downwind if needed. (Vern insistedthat Lonnie work me over hard on downwind landings.)If an airplane is in trim and you find yourself fighting the trim, ask yourselfwhy. (Vern maintains that a plane in proper trim wants to fly correctly mostof the time.)If you find yourself in slowflight upon landing and you start to drift toward theweeds, hold the plane in softfield takeoff attitude and shove the power toit. It will climb out of trouble, if possible.During a wheel landing, upon contact with the runway, "pin" the plane with slightforward stick until you can "pin" the tailwheel down without ballooning theplane. but beware pushing the prop into the ground, or ballooning.We discussed control placement during taxiing. "landing on a runway with a 15 knotwind down the runway is easy. But getting it to the hanger can get sporting."During the checkout I need to be ready to do a landing exercise that involves:upon getting the wheels rolling during a wheel landing, I will throttle up andslowly put on the brakes. The idea is to be able to control the plane duringa high wind landing. They reiterated "Brakes dont control direction, Rudder does!"Finally: If you have any prolonged time with no tail wheel time, Get time withan Instructor! It will come back quickly but it is a perishable skill until youhave several hundred tail wheel hours. After the lesson, Vern said in 1940 his instructor corrected him, "You are a tailwheel pilot, I am a tail dragger pilot, I learned with a tail skid!"All in all it was one of the best hours I have ever spent outside an airplane.(well talking about aviation anyway.) I am quite eager to go fly!Blue Skies,Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel ground school review
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel ground school reviewGentlemen, While I have been spending a lot of time flying in my buddies' AeroncaChamp (with him on board), I have never been signed off as a tail wheel pilot.This came to light and As soon as practicable I will get a tail wheel check ride.Hopefully Friday or Saturday.Today, I spent an hour doing ground school with Vern Foster and Lonnie Gillespie,Two of the best old school pilots in this area. Vern is 95 and is still a CFI. He started flying in 1939 and had a long aviationcareer. He was key in developing the Colorado Pilot's Association's Mountainflying course. Lonnie started flying in 1948 and has built two homebuilts, (a Pitts and a casutt)and restored several beech Bonanzas and one aeronca Champ, plus many otherthings. He flies his 1947 Champ every weekday that the winds and weather allow.He flew a buddies' Piet for several years before it was sold. The Basic gist of the ground school was:During preflight look at the tailwheel springs. Make sure they are preloaded withno slack.Vern asked what was hardest about learning to fly a taildragger. I told him thetransition from wheels on the ground to slowing down to a walking pace. Flyingfor fun, we did many touch and goes and I did not like the loss of rudder effectivenesswhen slowing down. He said that was the zone where most tailwheelaccidents happen, from 25 down to 4 MPH.His point, you can't stop a ground loop with brakes, Only with rudder, thereforeuse a burst of power (about mag check RPM). Many groundloops happen becausesomeone tried to stop it with brakes, making it worse.If there is an emergency, don't hesitate to land downwind if needed. (Vern insistedthat Lonnie work me over hard on downwind landings.)If an airplane is in trim and you find yourself fighting the trim, ask yourselfwhy. (Vern maintains that a plane in proper trim wants to fly correctly mostof the time.)If you find yourself in slowflight upon landing and you start to drift toward theweeds, hold the plane in softfield takeoff attitude and shove the power toit. It will climb out of trouble, if possible.During a wheel landing, upon contact with the runway, "pin" the plane with slightforward stick until you can "pin" the tailwheel down without ballooning theplane. but beware pushing the prop into the ground, or ballooning.We discussed control placement during taxiing. "landing on a runway with a 15 knotwind down the runway is easy. But getting it to the hanger can get sporting."During the checkout I need to be ready to do a landing exercise that involves:upon getting the wheels rolling during a wheel landing, I will throttle up andslowly put on the brakes. The idea is to be able to control the plane duringa high wind landing. They reiterated "Brakes dont control direction, Rudder does!"Finally: If you have any prolonged time with no tail wheel time, Get time withan Instructor! It will come back quickly but it is a perishable skill until youhave several hundred tail wheel hours. After the lesson, Vern said in 1940 his instructor corrected him, "You are a tailwheel pilot, I am a tail dragger pilot, I learned with a tail skid!"All in all it was one of the best hours I have ever spent outside an airplane.(well talking about aviation anyway.) I am quite eager to go fly!Blue Skies,Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel ground school review
Original Posted By: George Abernathy
"landing on a runway with a 15 knot wind down the runway is easy. But getting itto the hanger can get sporting." Steve, I can't tell you how many times I took off at San Geronimo, flew over toCastroville for fuel, and found that there was a very brisk and gusty crosswindblowing over there. Nice wide and paved runway, but crosswind technique wascalled for and I was always able to nail the landing but once on the runway,I was uneasy with that constant gusty push on the rudder and empennage shovingme around on the ground and more than a time or two, I would put on some powerand lift the tail so I could control the airplane on the mains in wheel landingconfiguration with better control. (Note to you guys who don't know whatthe heck we're talking about: it's a LONG way from the numbers on landing atCastroville to the first turnoff if you're in a Piet and you land at 40 MPH with15 MPH on the nose!).The bottom line is, practice-practice-practice, and once you think you know theairplane in a x-wind, just remember that these airplanes are better teachersthan they are students, and they LOVE to instruct when there is a crosswind!Oh, but then you can also remember that about 3/4 of the other pilots out theredon't fly tailwheel airplanes and don't know what rudder pedals are for, so youare the only "real" pilot out there that day ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford/Ashland, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
"landing on a runway with a 15 knot wind down the runway is easy. But getting itto the hanger can get sporting." Steve, I can't tell you how many times I took off at San Geronimo, flew over toCastroville for fuel, and found that there was a very brisk and gusty crosswindblowing over there. Nice wide and paved runway, but crosswind technique wascalled for and I was always able to nail the landing but once on the runway,I was uneasy with that constant gusty push on the rudder and empennage shovingme around on the ground and more than a time or two, I would put on some powerand lift the tail so I could control the airplane on the mains in wheel landingconfiguration with better control. (Note to you guys who don't know whatthe heck we're talking about: it's a LONG way from the numbers on landing atCastroville to the first turnoff if you're in a Piet and you land at 40 MPH with15 MPH on the nose!).The bottom line is, practice-practice-practice, and once you think you know theairplane in a x-wind, just remember that these airplanes are better teachersthan they are students, and they LOVE to instruct when there is a crosswind!Oh, but then you can also remember that about 3/4 of the other pilots out theredon't fly tailwheel airplanes and don't know what rudder pedals are for, so youare the only "real" pilot out there that day ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford/Ashland, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Original Posted By: George Abernathy
Hey aussiegeorge!That was VERY helpful! Thanks very much for that post. Just watched the videosand I feel as though I have an idea of what I need to do, including the weldingjig thingie (for lack of it's proper name... Where'd you get that jig anyway?)Thanks again!MarkRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:00:09 -0700 (PDT)
Hey aussiegeorge!That was VERY helpful! Thanks very much for that post. Just watched the videosand I feel as though I have an idea of what I need to do, including the weldingjig thingie (for lack of it's proper name... Where'd you get that jig anyway?)Thanks again!MarkRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:00:09 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I just used a vise, a lengthof =BD=94 steel rod as a form, and a hammer.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
I just used a vise, a lengthof =BD=94 steel rod as a form, and a hammer.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Mark I started out using a bead roller seen herehttp://textors.com/temp_035.jpg . I preferred just forming around a 3/8piece of rod, holding it in my wood vise. Dan is right the second set looksbetter seen here http://textors.com/Tahoe_002.jpg Jack Textor DSM NX1929T _____
Mark I started out using a bead roller seen herehttp://textors.com/temp_035.jpg . I preferred just forming around a 3/8piece of rod, holding it in my wood vise. Dan is right the second set looksbetter seen here http://textors.com/Tahoe_002.jpg Jack Textor DSM NX1929T _____
Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Original Posted By: steve(at)wotelectronics.com
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
Thanks guys!I appreciate the help. I had 2 sets of the arm made so I could screw one up, asI figured there would be a learning curve. Michael, I thought at first I mightdo as it appears you did and just bend a straight line down the center and weldaway. Might still go that route, but I will most likely try the mandrel andhammer treatment first. Don't have the time or money to build an English Wheel,although I'd like one!MarkRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Thanks guys!I appreciate the help. I had 2 sets of the arm made so I could screw one up, asI figured there would be a learning curve. Michael, I thought at first I mightdo as it appears you did and just bend a straight line down the center and weldaway. Might still go that route, but I will most likely try the mandrel andhammer treatment first. Don't have the time or money to build an English Wheel,although I'd like one!MarkRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Original Posted By: steve(at)wotelectronics.com
BTW, Michael, how'd you bend the straight line down the horn so neatly?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:33:44 -0500
BTW, Michael, how'd you bend the straight line down the horn so neatly?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:33:44 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Original Posted By: Michael Perez