Original Posted By: "MICHAEL SILVIUS"
I too am about to begin construction for the second time. I ordered planslast year and purchased all of the spruce from AS&S. I live in Oregon andMassachusetts, spending about half the year in each location. I was going tobuild in Oregon and had the spruce shipped there. The summer of 2006 foundme building a million gussets and a jig for the wing ribs. It sure was abeauty (+-1/32=94.) I had also built a real nice rack to store all of theprecut spruce. I was all ready to go this past summer. In our absence overlast winter it seems that someone entered my workshop and made the nicestbookcase out of what was to be the main wing spar and decided that all thosenice smaller pieces of wood would make ideal tinder for the wood stove. So,it=92s $1400, 00 down the tubes. The worst thing is that my jig is gone. I have just reordered more spruce to be shipped to Massachusetts. We live ina senior community and have a most wonderful workshop as many residentsbrought their workshops from home. I will post some pictures of the shopsoon. I will continue to build anything that will fit in the Mooney out inOregon and schlep parts across country. (Does anyone have plans for a 10section wing?)So, I guess my first contribution to the builder community is to keep an eyeon your wood! I am going to keep this batch under the bed and hope that Janedoesn=92t notice. Once I do get started in earnest I will post my builders logand photos on my web site at www.aerovisiontech.comDick Bakerwww.aerovisiontech.com10/24/20072:31 PM________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol Builder
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Hello,Search for craigslist spokane and then aircraft. Take care!GaryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Hello,Search for craigslist spokane and then aircraft. Take care!GaryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Original Posted By: "tools"
How big a passenger? Are you sure the Pietenpol is for you? Build it light, and keep your passengerssmall. To modify the airplane is to be your own aircraft designer.Just my $.02--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
How big a passenger? Are you sure the Pietenpol is for you? Build it light, and keep your passengerssmall. To modify the airplane is to be your own aircraft designer.Just my $.02--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well vetted andyou're not really just starting over... such as...A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long fuse versionand of course some more horse power.However, if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinely carrypassengers along, you might seriously consider a larger plane. A Bakeng Deuceis a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example. If you just really really like the lines of a Piet, I'd consider the Bakeng andchanging the shape of tail feathers, cowling, etc rather than changing the Piettoo much. This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY designing himself!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well vetted andyou're not really just starting over... such as...A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long fuse versionand of course some more horse power.However, if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinely carrypassengers along, you might seriously consider a larger plane. A Bakeng Deuceis a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example. If you just really really like the lines of a Piet, I'd consider the Bakeng andchanging the shape of tail feathers, cowling, etc rather than changing the Piettoo much. This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY designing himself!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: which Bingelis book
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Unless you are an experienced builder, then I would buy all 4. If you are anexperienced builder, then I would buy all 4. Barry D
Unless you are an experienced builder, then I would buy all 4. If you are anexperienced builder, then I would buy all 4. Barry D
> Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Original Posted By:> n0kkj(at)yahoo.com
Has anyone tried reducing the wing span? Curious to know. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Has anyone tried reducing the wing span? Curious to know. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Original Posted By:> tools
Hey Mike,I am having trouble getting in touch with you. Please call me 304 275-3787Skip> [Original Message]
Hey Mike,I am having trouble getting in touch with you. Please call me 304 275-3787Skip> [Original Message]
Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"
I believe Canada has rescinded its 406 mandate. There was a big flap about ita couple of years ago but the latest from the Canadian counterpart to the FAAis that it is on hold pending further review. The FCC is working to ban all 121.5ELT transmitters, so far unsuccessfully. Could change any time. Whether you decide to get a 406 ELT depends on your risk tolerance and exposure.There's also the issue of whether the US will mandate the 406 method or useMEOSAT. Think I'm going to roll the dice with a cheap 406 and be done with it.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I believe Canada has rescinded its 406 mandate. There was a big flap about ita couple of years ago but the latest from the Canadian counterpart to the FAAis that it is on hold pending further review. The FCC is working to ban all 121.5ELT transmitters, so far unsuccessfully. Could change any time. Whether you decide to get a 406 ELT depends on your risk tolerance and exposure.There's also the issue of whether the US will mandate the 406 method or useMEOSAT. Think I'm going to roll the dice with a cheap 406 and be done with it.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
Last flying example? Wow. I thought there were still lots of them around, butI guess I've got them mixed up with the Twin Beech.One of my "Round Sounds" audio CDs has a beautiful track on it that features anElectra from startup to leveling off in cruise, and when it gets up to altitudeand the engines and props are settled into a nice synchronized hum it is oneof the sweetest sounds you can imagine.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Last flying example? Wow. I thought there were still lots of them around, butI guess I've got them mixed up with the Twin Beech.One of my "Round Sounds" audio CDs has a beautiful track on it that features anElectra from startup to leveling off in cruise, and when it gets up to altitudeand the engines and props are settled into a nice synchronized hum it is oneof the sweetest sounds you can imagine.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Original Posted By: Bill Princell
Hi Todd! First, welcome to the group! I too am a bit on the large size for the Piet, andyet after YEARS of searching for the "Perfect" design for my size, and stillqualify for the Light Sport designation, I decided to make the Piet fit me (atthe time I started the project i was 250lbs and 6'4") instead of vice versa.One of the great things about the Piet is the fact it is such a solid design.It can stand a tweak here and there and still be a good flying stable plane.Now, what I am about to post is what I am doing, and I can't prove any of the modificationswill prove anything but an estimated guess that it will be a betterfit for me, so be forewarned!I drew the fuse in my CAD program to insure all dimensions matched and there wasno surprises as to what one change would do to another measurement. I exportedthe drawings to a CNC program and punched my fuse jig out on a CNC router soit would be accurate. Here's what I did to the fuse: 26" wide from nose to the back of the pilot seat;I dropped the bottom of the fuse 2" deeper to keep me from popping out of thefuse like a jack in the box; I lengthened the nose of the fuse by 2" (I am buildinghe long fuse version so this added 2" to the nose of that plan); I movedthe top of the pilot seat back 2" further aft so my face wasn't smashed intothe instrument panel; I am using the Riblett GA 30-613.5 airfoil which is afull 6" tall at the front spar and about 5.5 at the rear (I forget exact dimensionsoff the top of my head) which allows me to have a deeper spar to handleextra weight (1320 for LSA) and to lengthen the wing by 4' (2 feet or two bayson each wing tip); and I will move the strut connections to the wing out onebay to compensate for the added 2 feet on each side. I also stretched the rearturtle deck top by 1", for a total "butt to top of turtle deck" addition of 3"total. This was about right for me. The instrument panel will stay originalheight, after I made it 1" taller too proved too tall for me to see over. Didn'tneed the extra height on the front of the plane, just the part where I sit!I will be using the Corvair conversion for a full 100 hp engine.Some thoughts on the fuse widening: probably not absolutely necessary, as I thinkthe 24" wide all the way to the pilot seat back would be roomy enough now thatI have the fuse framed up, but with a warm jacked to winter flying probablywill be more comfy in my fuse.The Riblett GA-30-612 and GA-30-613.5 have been discussed on this group quite abit. The 612 airfoil is being built by a few folks here, and I am not sure ifanyone besides me is using the 613.5 airfoil. Here's why I chose this airfoilfor MY project: I spoke to Harry Riblett by phone a couple of years or so agoand explained my typical summer flying condition in the summer... 95-105 degrees.My 240-250 pounds and the light density altitude, plus my desire to havefull use of the 1320 lbs of legal LSA load meant the FC-10 Piet airfoil was nota great choice for ME and my project. He suggested that the GA-30-613.5 ("it'snot a '613.5' " he chastised me... "...it's the GA-30-613.5"... Ok Mr. Riblett!)would be the better choice for my needs. Now, several are building the GA-30-612and Piety Lowell here was the pioneer on the Piet with this airfoil.He's flown the same plane with a traditional French Curve - 10 airfoil and theGA-30-612. He reported better flying numbers with the 612 (forgive me Mr. Riblett!)even though that wing was chopped by 2 feet versus the original wing withthe FC-10.The extra depth of the 613.5 (a 13.5% to chord thickness) will allow a deeper spar,and added strength for the extra 4' of wing I plan to add.So, for those reading this that are puritans about the design, I will not be flyinga real Piet when I finish this project. But, I WILL be flying a plane thatI can fit comfortably into for reasonable amounts of time.Hope this helps as you begin he exciting journey of building your dream! Again,welcome to the family.Mark RobertsFresno, CARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hi Todd! First, welcome to the group! I too am a bit on the large size for the Piet, andyet after YEARS of searching for the "Perfect" design for my size, and stillqualify for the Light Sport designation, I decided to make the Piet fit me (atthe time I started the project i was 250lbs and 6'4") instead of vice versa.One of the great things about the Piet is the fact it is such a solid design.It can stand a tweak here and there and still be a good flying stable plane.Now, what I am about to post is what I am doing, and I can't prove any of the modificationswill prove anything but an estimated guess that it will be a betterfit for me, so be forewarned!I drew the fuse in my CAD program to insure all dimensions matched and there wasno surprises as to what one change would do to another measurement. I exportedthe drawings to a CNC program and punched my fuse jig out on a CNC router soit would be accurate. Here's what I did to the fuse: 26" wide from nose to the back of the pilot seat;I dropped the bottom of the fuse 2" deeper to keep me from popping out of thefuse like a jack in the box; I lengthened the nose of the fuse by 2" (I am buildinghe long fuse version so this added 2" to the nose of that plan); I movedthe top of the pilot seat back 2" further aft so my face wasn't smashed intothe instrument panel; I am using the Riblett GA 30-613.5 airfoil which is afull 6" tall at the front spar and about 5.5 at the rear (I forget exact dimensionsoff the top of my head) which allows me to have a deeper spar to handleextra weight (1320 for LSA) and to lengthen the wing by 4' (2 feet or two bayson each wing tip); and I will move the strut connections to the wing out onebay to compensate for the added 2 feet on each side. I also stretched the rearturtle deck top by 1", for a total "butt to top of turtle deck" addition of 3"total. This was about right for me. The instrument panel will stay originalheight, after I made it 1" taller too proved too tall for me to see over. Didn'tneed the extra height on the front of the plane, just the part where I sit!I will be using the Corvair conversion for a full 100 hp engine.Some thoughts on the fuse widening: probably not absolutely necessary, as I thinkthe 24" wide all the way to the pilot seat back would be roomy enough now thatI have the fuse framed up, but with a warm jacked to winter flying probablywill be more comfy in my fuse.The Riblett GA-30-612 and GA-30-613.5 have been discussed on this group quite abit. The 612 airfoil is being built by a few folks here, and I am not sure ifanyone besides me is using the 613.5 airfoil. Here's why I chose this airfoilfor MY project: I spoke to Harry Riblett by phone a couple of years or so agoand explained my typical summer flying condition in the summer... 95-105 degrees.My 240-250 pounds and the light density altitude, plus my desire to havefull use of the 1320 lbs of legal LSA load meant the FC-10 Piet airfoil was nota great choice for ME and my project. He suggested that the GA-30-613.5 ("it'snot a '613.5' " he chastised me... "...it's the GA-30-613.5"... Ok Mr. Riblett!)would be the better choice for my needs. Now, several are building the GA-30-612and Piety Lowell here was the pioneer on the Piet with this airfoil.He's flown the same plane with a traditional French Curve - 10 airfoil and theGA-30-612. He reported better flying numbers with the 612 (forgive me Mr. Riblett!)even though that wing was chopped by 2 feet versus the original wing withthe FC-10.The extra depth of the 613.5 (a 13.5% to chord thickness) will allow a deeper spar,and added strength for the extra 4' of wing I plan to add.So, for those reading this that are puritans about the design, I will not be flyinga real Piet when I finish this project. But, I WILL be flying a plane thatI can fit comfortably into for reasonable amounts of time.Hope this helps as you begin he exciting journey of building your dream! Again,welcome to the family.Mark RobertsFresno, CARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well vetted and you're not really just starting over... such as...> > A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long fuse version and of course some more horse power.> > However=2C if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinely carry passengers along=2C you might seriously consider a larger plane. A Bakeng Deuce is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example. > > If you just really really like the lines of a Piet=2C I'd consider the Bakeng and changing the shape of tail feathers=2C cowling=2C etc rather than changing the Piet too much. > > This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY designing himself!> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 469#385469> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:07:29 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well vetted and you're not really just starting over... such as...> > A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long fuse version and of course some more horse power.> > However=2C if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinely carry passengers along=2C you might seriously consider a larger plane. A Bakeng Deuce is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example. > > If you just really really like the lines of a Piet=2C I'd consider the Bakeng and changing the shape of tail feathers=2C cowling=2C etc rather than changing the Piet too much. > > This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY designing himself!> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 469#385469> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:07:29 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
>> Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>>>> There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well>> vetted and you're not really just starting over... such as...>>>> A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long>> fuse version and of course some more horse power.>>>> However, if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinely>> carry passengers along, you might seriously consider a larger plane. A>> Bakeng Deuce is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example.>>>> If you just really really like the lines of a Piet, I'd consider the>> Bakeng and changing the shape of tail feathers, cowling, etc rather than>> changing the Piet too much.>>>> This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY>> designing himself!>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 469#385469>>> =====================> >======>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>>>> There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well>> vetted and you're not really just starting over... such as...>>>> A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long>> fuse version and of course some more horse power.>>>> However, if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinely>> carry passengers along, you might seriously consider a larger plane. A>> Bakeng Deuce is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example.>>>> If you just really really like the lines of a Piet, I'd consider the>> Bakeng and changing the shape of tail feathers, cowling, etc rather than>> changing the Piet too much.>>>> This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY>> designing himself!>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 469#385469>>> =====================> >======>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT?
Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder>>> There's some small changes that are common enough that they are wellvetted and you're not really just starting over... such as...>> A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The longfuse version and of course some more horse power.>> However, if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinelycarry passengers along, you might seriously consider a larger plane. ABakeng Deuce is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example. >> If you just really really like the lines of a Piet, I'd consider theBakeng and changing the shape of tail feathers, cowling, etc rather thanchanging the Piet too much. >> This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANYdesigning himself!________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT?
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder>>> There's some small changes that are common enough that they are wellvetted and you're not really just starting over... such as...>> A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The longfuse version and of course some more horse power.>> However, if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinelycarry passengers along, you might seriously consider a larger plane. ABakeng Deuce is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example. >> If you just really really like the lines of a Piet, I'd consider theBakeng and changing the shape of tail feathers, cowling, etc rather thanchanging the Piet too much. >> This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANYdesigning himself!________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT?