Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
artners, LLC]" Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT.---My inspector never said anything about it and I never spentthe money on it.---$588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce?---Wow am I out of touch.- -le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Article in Museum of Flight Newsletter...
Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Original Posted By: "C N Campbell"
artners, LLC]" Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never said anything about it and I never spentthe money on it. $588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce? Wow am I out of touch. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"; target=_blank href="http://forums.matronics.com/"; target=_blank>http://forums.matronbsp; - List Contribution Web Site -________________________________________________________________________________
artners, LLC]" Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never said anything about it and I never spentthe money on it. $588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce? Wow am I out of touch. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"; target=_blank href="http://forums.matronics.com/"; target=_blank>http://forums.matronbsp; - List Contribution Web Site -________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
artners, LLC]" Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT.---My inspector never said anything about it and I never spentthe money on it.---$588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce?---Wow am I out of touch.- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"; target=_blank href="http://forums.matronics.com/"; target=_blank>http://forums.matronbsp; - - - ---- List Contribution Web Site -" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... __________
artners, LLC]" Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT.---My inspector never said anything about it and I never spentthe money on it.---$588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce?---Wow am I out of touch.- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"; target=_blank href="http://forums.matronics.com/"; target=_blank>http://forums.matronbsp; - - - ---- List Contribution Web Site -" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... __________
Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Original Posted By: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
for those who have a 3/4 spar=2C did you go with the plans and use 1/8" ply doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4" since the original plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar - making it 1 1/4" thick rather than 1"Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
for those who have a 3/4 spar=2C did you go with the plans and use 1/8" ply doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4" since the original plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar - making it 1 1/4" thick rather than 1"Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Original Posted By: shad bell
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublersfor those who have a 3/4 spar=2C did you go with the plans and use 1/8" ply= doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4" since the origina= l plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar - making it 1 1/4" thick rather= than 1"Tom B.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublersfor those who have a 3/4 spar=2C did you go with the plans and use 1/8" ply= doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4" since the origina= l plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar - making it 1 1/4" thick rather= than 1"Tom B.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Original Posted By: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
I used 1/8" doublers at each rib.Gary BootheNX308MBSent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE _____
I used 1/8" doublers at each rib.Gary BootheNX308MBSent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Original Posted By: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Gary=2C Assume you did that because the ribs were made with a 1" spacing but I was asking specifically about the spar attach points where the bracket is mounted. Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Gary=2C Assume you did that because the ribs were made with a 1" spacing but I was asking specifically about the spar attach points where the bracket is mounted. Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
RE: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I used 1/8=9D on both sides of =C2=BE=9D spars on the wing side, and no spacers on the center section side.Gary BootheNX308MB
I used 1/8=9D on both sides of =C2=BE=9D spars on the wing side, and no spacers on the center section side.Gary BootheNX308MB
Original Posted By: "Peter W Johnson"
Very cool, Jake!--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Very cool, Jake!--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: RE-PIET flying characteristics
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Douwe,I am in the process of restoring Dale McCleskey's Piet (also a RePiet!) andhave decided to slant the rear seat back as well. I sat in the Piet and Ihad forgotten how close I was to the instrument panel.If I sit back another inch or so I can actually read the instruments withoutmy glasses!!CheersPeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://repiet.cpc-world.com
Douwe,I am in the process of restoring Dale McCleskey's Piet (also a RePiet!) andhave decided to slant the rear seat back as well. I sat in the Piet and Ihad forgotten how close I was to the instrument panel.If I sit back another inch or so I can actually read the instruments withoutmy glasses!!CheersPeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://repiet.cpc-world.com
Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Original Posted By: shad bell
Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet at some point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and forth my existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca.--Dan HelsperPuryear, TN------Original Message-----
Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet at some point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and forth my existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca.--Dan HelsperPuryear, TN------Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Original Posted By: shad bell
Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet at some point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and forth my existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet at some point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and forth my existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Original Posted By: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
Tom, I think you are reading your 3-piece wing plans incorrectly. My plans show the 3/32-thick centersection fittings bolted directly to the spar. The wing fittings fit outside the CS fitting. Thus the thickness of the material under the wing fitting is 3/32 inch to match the thickness of the CS fitting. OK? The fittings where the struts attach do not reallly matter, I guess. Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Tom, I think you are reading your 3-piece wing plans incorrectly. My plans show the 3/32-thick centersection fittings bolted directly to the spar. The wing fittings fit outside the CS fitting. Thus the thickness of the material under the wing fitting is 3/32 inch to match the thickness of the CS fitting. OK? The fittings where the struts attach do not reallly matter, I guess. Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Original Posted By: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
Tom, I think you are reading your 3-piece wing plans incorrectly. My plansshow the 3/32-thick centersection fittings bolted directly to the spar. Thewing fittings fit outside the CS fitting. Thus the thickness of thematerial under the wing fitting is 3/32 inch to match the thickness of theCS fitting. OK? The fittings where the struts attach do not realllymatter, I guess. Chuck----- Original Message -----
Tom, I think you are reading your 3-piece wing plans incorrectly. My plansshow the 3/32-thick centersection fittings bolted directly to the spar. Thewing fittings fit outside the CS fitting. Thus the thickness of thematerial under the wing fitting is 3/32 inch to match the thickness of theCS fitting. OK? The fittings where the struts attach do not realllymatter, I guess. Chuck----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Original Posted By: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
Chuck=2CI'm actually talking about the spot where the struts attach to the outer wing panel. There's a "u-shaped" strap that bolts to the spar over some ply doublers. The plans (not the CC plans) call for 1/8" but this was based on a 1" routed spar=2C thus making a 1 1/4" thick section at that point. If you're using a 3/4 spar and adding only the 1/8" doublers=2C you'd have a 1" section at this point. I understand the CC dimensions are different and call for 3/32" doublers.Tom B.
Chuck=2CI'm actually talking about the spot where the struts attach to the outer wing panel. There's a "u-shaped" strap that bolts to the spar over some ply doublers. The plans (not the CC plans) call for 1/8" but this was based on a 1" routed spar=2C thus making a 1 1/4" thick section at that point. If you're using a 3/4 spar and adding only the 1/8" doublers=2C you'd have a 1" section at this point. I understand the CC dimensions are different and call for 3/32" doublers.Tom B.
Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT?
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Hey Dan The 121.5 is legal...I got lucky and found one of those ebc 102 elt's..really smalland lightjeffLouisville kyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hey Dan The 121.5 is legal...I got lucky and found one of those ebc 102 elt's..really smalland lightjeffLouisville kyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT?
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Jack, I just used the Ray Allen servo trim components that Aircraft Sprucesells. I purchased the servo with actuating rod and the cockpit rockerswitch. Didn't bother with the position indicator. Found my own wire. Rick Holland turned me on to this system. He did a very nice inset trim tabon his elevator. I just inlet 1' of extruded piano hinge into the trailingedge as I was wanting to get finished. The whole system has got to belighter than any other mechanical system I've seen installed, but it doesneed electric.To answer the prop question. I had Jay Anderson at Cloud Cars make up a76X??? (can't remember what we decided on) because I am a strong advocate ofswinging the largest prop possible on draggy airframes. The most it'llallow the engine to spin up is about 2450 straight and level. That mightcreep up to 2500 once the engine breaks in, but honestly I quite happycruising around at 2000- 2200. The other day I tried taking off with2300rpm and it worked fine.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT?
Jack, I just used the Ray Allen servo trim components that Aircraft Sprucesells. I purchased the servo with actuating rod and the cockpit rockerswitch. Didn't bother with the position indicator. Found my own wire. Rick Holland turned me on to this system. He did a very nice inset trim tabon his elevator. I just inlet 1' of extruded piano hinge into the trailingedge as I was wanting to get finished. The whole system has got to belighter than any other mechanical system I've seen installed, but it doesneed electric.To answer the prop question. I had Jay Anderson at Cloud Cars make up a76X??? (can't remember what we decided on) because I am a strong advocate ofswinging the largest prop possible on draggy airframes. The most it'llallow the engine to spin up is about 2450 straight and level. That mightcreep up to 2500 once the engine breaks in, but honestly I quite happycruising around at 2000- 2200. The other day I tried taking off with2300rpm and it worked fine.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT?
Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT?
Original Posted By: shad bell
RE: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Sorry, Tom, I now see that you are looking for strut attach points, not"spar attach points."The attached picture again shows 1/8" doublers under the fittings, makingthe I.D. of the fitting 1".Gary BootheNX308MB
Sorry, Tom, I now see that you are looking for strut attach points, not"spar attach points."The attached picture again shows 1/8" doublers under the fittings, makingthe I.D. of the fitting 1".Gary BootheNX308MB
Pietenpol-List: Re: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Original Posted By: "Catdesigns"
Thanks Chuck and Gene. The TPI appears to be 12, quite course. I will source thepart number.Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Oct 29, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:> > I have a J3 cap with a float that I may sell, but I'm almost sure it is a capwith two tangs on it, not threaded, but I can look tomorrow. > > Gene Rambo> > On Oct 28, 2012, at 5:45 PM, "Jack T. Textor" wrote:> >> All this my nose tank, a J3 tank. Any ideas what cap will fit?>> Thanks>> Jack>> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad>> Jack Textor> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Thanks Chuck and Gene. The TPI appears to be 12, quite course. I will source thepart number.Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Oct 29, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:> > I have a J3 cap with a float that I may sell, but I'm almost sure it is a capwith two tangs on it, not threaded, but I can look tomorrow. > > Gene Rambo> > On Oct 28, 2012, at 5:45 PM, "Jack T. Textor" wrote:> >> All this my nose tank, a J3 tank. Any ideas what cap will fit?>> Thanks>> Jack>> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad>> Jack Textor> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Im not sure this is a correct statement, The plans (not the CC plans) call for1/8" but this was based on a 1" routed spar thus making a 1 1/4" thick sectionat that point. Yes, the spar drawings show the 1/8th inch plywood and typical construction practicewould run it under the fitting. The problem as I see it is other drawingsshow the inside width of the wing strut fitting to be 1-inch and drawings forthe upper strut fitting showing it to be 1-inch wide as well making me believethe 1-inch width . Therefore, I believe the intent was to bolt the strut fittingdirectly to the 1-inch spar with no plywood under it. I think the plywoodgoes on the side of the fitting to help keep it from rotating. Notice theodd angle the strut fitting pulls on the spar (this was later changed to the moreinline fitting used by most people). This angle will put a rotational loadon the fitting and I think Mr. Pietenpol was trying to prevent that rotationand cracking the spar at the bolt holes. Alternatively, the fitting drawingsare wrong and they should be made 1 1/4 to fit over the plywood.In my case I used 1/8-inch plates on both sides of the 3/4-inch spars. In retrospectI wish I would have made the ends different on the doublers to graduallychange the spar thickness. Now I will have to add inspection plates to lookfor cracking at the ends of the plywood doublers like many certified wood wingaircraft. Bummer.--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Im not sure this is a correct statement, The plans (not the CC plans) call for1/8" but this was based on a 1" routed spar thus making a 1 1/4" thick sectionat that point. Yes, the spar drawings show the 1/8th inch plywood and typical construction practicewould run it under the fitting. The problem as I see it is other drawingsshow the inside width of the wing strut fitting to be 1-inch and drawings forthe upper strut fitting showing it to be 1-inch wide as well making me believethe 1-inch width . Therefore, I believe the intent was to bolt the strut fittingdirectly to the 1-inch spar with no plywood under it. I think the plywoodgoes on the side of the fitting to help keep it from rotating. Notice theodd angle the strut fitting pulls on the spar (this was later changed to the moreinline fitting used by most people). This angle will put a rotational loadon the fitting and I think Mr. Pietenpol was trying to prevent that rotationand cracking the spar at the bolt holes. Alternatively, the fitting drawingsare wrong and they should be made 1 1/4 to fit over the plywood.In my case I used 1/8-inch plates on both sides of the 3/4-inch spars. In retrospectI wish I would have made the ends different on the doublers to graduallychange the spar thickness. Now I will have to add inspection plates to lookfor cracking at the ends of the plywood doublers like many certified wood wingaircraft. Bummer.--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Original Posted By:
Tom=2C I think you are reading your 3-piece wing plans incorrectly. My plans show the 3/32-thick centersection fittings bolted directly to the spar. The wing fittings fit outside the CS fitting. Thus the thickness of the material under the wing fitting is 3/32inch to match the thickness of the CS fitting. OK? The fittings where the struts attach do not reallly matter=2C I guess. Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Tom=2C I think you are reading your 3-piece wing plans incorrectly. My plans show the 3/32-thick centersection fittings bolted directly to the spar. The wing fittings fit outside the CS fitting. Thus the thickness of the material under the wing fitting is 3/32inch to match the thickness of the CS fitting. OK? The fittings where the struts attach do not reallly matter=2C I guess. Chuck ----- Original Message -----