Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a front seat baggage ideaYears back I asked a local upholstery shop to make up a front seat baggage sack forme out of kind of a soft black canvas type cloth. I made up a few posterboard templatesfor the bottom =BD barrel shape and two half-moon shapes and the shop sewed me up ahandy, light-weight sack at a very reasonable cost.I purchased a black snap kit from the upholstery shop and screwed the male parts of thesnaps into the perimeter of the front cockpit (flight deck for the politically sensitive) woodand longerons and then installed the female snaps on the bag itself.My front stick is removable so that comes out and the bag provides a very generous amountof space for baggage. Combine that with a (same upholstery shop) cockpit cover that snapsover the whole mess and you've got some serious space for your things. Add in the entirecenter section (in my case) that is available for baggage and you can have a change of undiesfor every day of the week for Brodhead and Oshkosh without hitting the laundry mat.Mike C.[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CE36B7.613A0330] Perimeter snaps screwed into upper left longeron.[cid:image002.png(at)01CE36B7.613A0330]Cockpit covers in place. Rich Corinthian cheap cloth-backed vinyl with hems sew around edges by upholstery shop________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: More Spoked Wheel Information
Pietenpol-List: More Spoked Wheel Information
Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Original Posted By: "tools"
A while back there was some discussion about different wheel configurations andtheir associated weight. Craig's thread on Spoked Wheels reminded me that Inever did weight mine, and I was curious to know how they compared. I was consideringusing Robert Baslee's 18" wheels, but I have heard rumors that they maybe hard to get, so I chose to take a route that several others have and startwith Ken Perkins' hubs and sent them off to Buchanan's. Just for comparison,Baslee's web site claims that his wheels with tires weight 18 pounds. Without going through all of the details, I'll just summarize by listing the components...Hubs - Ken PerkinsRims - Sun WM2 (21 x 1.85)Spokes - Buchanan's 8ga stainlessNipples - Buchanan's 8ga stainlessTyre - Avon Speedmaster MkII (21 x 3.00)Tube - J&P Cycles (21 x 3.00)Bottom Line... without brake disc or spacer... 17 pounds on the nose.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2013 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
A while back there was some discussion about different wheel configurations andtheir associated weight. Craig's thread on Spoked Wheels reminded me that Inever did weight mine, and I was curious to know how they compared. I was consideringusing Robert Baslee's 18" wheels, but I have heard rumors that they maybe hard to get, so I chose to take a route that several others have and startwith Ken Perkins' hubs and sent them off to Buchanan's. Just for comparison,Baslee's web site claims that his wheels with tires weight 18 pounds. Without going through all of the details, I'll just summarize by listing the components...Hubs - Ken PerkinsRims - Sun WM2 (21 x 1.85)Spokes - Buchanan's 8ga stainlessNipples - Buchanan's 8ga stainlessTyre - Avon Speedmaster MkII (21 x 3.00)Tube - J&P Cycles (21 x 3.00)Bottom Line... without brake disc or spacer... 17 pounds on the nose.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2013 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Re: Pietenpol-List: More Spoked Wheel Information
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Just for the data point, I'll post the weight of mine (as a new one is on the wayright now) in a couple days.Mine are 21x2.15 40 spoke, one disc front harley wheels (post 2000 I think...).They're available all day long, hubs, spokes, rim, tire and tube on ebay forabout $150 ea. The one I just ordered was $120 shipped. I think they're stockitems and guys upgrade to more spokes a lot.Many think the 4 1/2 hub may not be strong enough, but it sure seems to be. Wellsuited for disc brakes, look nice, certainly worth considering. Pretty sure Dick N has the same wheels on his Rotec powered Piet, which is a higherpowered and heavier plane yet. Pretty sure they're a lot heavier than 17lbs though...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More Spoked Wheel Information
Just for the data point, I'll post the weight of mine (as a new one is on the wayright now) in a couple days.Mine are 21x2.15 40 spoke, one disc front harley wheels (post 2000 I think...).They're available all day long, hubs, spokes, rim, tire and tube on ebay forabout $150 ea. The one I just ordered was $120 shipped. I think they're stockitems and guys upgrade to more spokes a lot.Many think the 4 1/2 hub may not be strong enough, but it sure seems to be. Wellsuited for disc brakes, look nice, certainly worth considering. Pretty sure Dick N has the same wheels on his Rotec powered Piet, which is a higherpowered and heavier plane yet. Pretty sure they're a lot heavier than 17lbs though...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More Spoked Wheel Information
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
My Harley Sportsters are 25 lbs, including tires and brake drum.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 11, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "K5YAC" wrote:> > A while back there was some discussion about different wheel configurations andtheir associated weight. Craig's thread on Spoked Wheels reminded me thatI never did weight mine, and I was curious to know how they compared. I was consideringusing Robert Baslee's 18" wheels, but I have heard rumors that theymay be hard to get, so I chose to take a route that several others have and startwith Ken Perkins' hubs and sent them off to Buchanan's. Just for comparison,Baslee's web site claims that his wheels with tires weight 18 pounds. > > Without going through all of the details, I'll just summarize by listing thecomponents...> > Hubs - Ken Perkins> Rims - Sun WM2 (21 x 1.85)> Spokes - Buchanan's 8ga stainless> Nipples - Buchanan's 8ga stainless> Tyre - Avon Speedmaster MkII (21 x 3.00)> Tube - J&P Cycles (21 x 3.00)> > Bottom Line... without brake disc or spacer... 17 pounds on the nose.> > --------> Mark Chouinard> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 453#398453> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2013 ... 12_836.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/2013 ... 24_837.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
My Harley Sportsters are 25 lbs, including tires and brake drum.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 11, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "K5YAC" wrote:> > A while back there was some discussion about different wheel configurations andtheir associated weight. Craig's thread on Spoked Wheels reminded me thatI never did weight mine, and I was curious to know how they compared. I was consideringusing Robert Baslee's 18" wheels, but I have heard rumors that theymay be hard to get, so I chose to take a route that several others have and startwith Ken Perkins' hubs and sent them off to Buchanan's. Just for comparison,Baslee's web site claims that his wheels with tires weight 18 pounds. > > Without going through all of the details, I'll just summarize by listing thecomponents...> > Hubs - Ken Perkins> Rims - Sun WM2 (21 x 1.85)> Spokes - Buchanan's 8ga stainless> Nipples - Buchanan's 8ga stainless> Tyre - Avon Speedmaster MkII (21 x 3.00)> Tube - J&P Cycles (21 x 3.00)> > Bottom Line... without brake disc or spacer... 17 pounds on the nose.> > --------> Mark Chouinard> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 453#398453> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2013 ... 12_836.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/2013 ... 24_837.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Original Posted By: "CraigAho"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tiresNice looking setup you have there Mark C. !Those aluminum rims can really save some weight. Very nice. I like the lookof the Avon Speedmaster tirestoo (I copied Frank Pavliga and his Dad on that one years back because I likedthe way they looked on Sky Gypsy)though they are prone to sidewall cracking after about 3-4 years. I like the look too Mark of your taller wire wheels. Mine are 19" and I likethe looks of the 20 and 21" ones a little better. Mike C.And don't give Curt Merdan any trouble on your next Southwest flight or THIScould happen to YOU!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiI_4xvf ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tiresNice looking setup you have there Mark C. !Those aluminum rims can really save some weight. Very nice. I like the lookof the Avon Speedmaster tirestoo (I copied Frank Pavliga and his Dad on that one years back because I likedthe way they looked on Sky Gypsy)though they are prone to sidewall cracking after about 3-4 years. I like the look too Mark of your taller wire wheels. Mine are 19" and I likethe looks of the 20 and 21" ones a little better. Mike C.And don't give Curt Merdan any trouble on your next Southwest flight or THIScould happen to YOU!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiI_4xvf ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel InformationOriginal Posted By: Ray Krause
I came accross my original invoice from Buchanans and I had purchased 9 ga. plaincarbon spokes for my homemade hubs which were based on info provided by BPAback in the early 90's, I think Howard Henderson design. I have never weighedmine so before I dismantle both my wheels I will check the weight. I dismantledone wheel and broke one spoke at the threads so I will either just replacethe spokes I need or maybe reorder new SS ones.CraigRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I came accross my original invoice from Buchanans and I had purchased 9 ga. plaincarbon spokes for my homemade hubs which were based on info provided by BPAback in the early 90's, I think Howard Henderson design. I have never weighedmine so before I dismantle both my wheels I will check the weight. I dismantledone wheel and broke one spoke at the threads so I will either just replacethe spokes I need or maybe reorder new SS ones.CraigRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Original Posted By:> Soar561(at)hotmail.com
Wow was checking Buchanans web site and the costs of spokes has gone up almost double what I originally paid. The weight of my wheel with out tire and tube is 8.5 lbs. Craig > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Wow was checking Buchanans web site and the costs of spokes has gone up almost double what I originally paid. The weight of my wheel with out tire and tube is 8.5 lbs. Craig > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder bar stops
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
My 20" wheel, tire and tube weigh 19 pounds each. I thought that was heavy, butfound it is what most of them weigh.Ray KrauseSkyScoutSent from my iPadOn Apr 11, 2013, at 11:58 AM, "tools" wrote:> > Just for the data point, I'll post the weight of mine (as a new one is on theway right now) in a couple days.> > Mine are 21x2.15 40 spoke, one disc front harley wheels (post 2000 I think...).They're available all day long, hubs, spokes, rim, tire and tube on ebay forabout $150 ea. The one I just ordered was $120 shipped. I think they're stockitems and guys upgrade to more spokes a lot.> > Many think the 4 1/2 hub may not be strong enough, but it sure seems to be. Well suited for disc brakes, look nice, certainly worth considering. > > Pretty sure Dick N has the same wheels on his Rotec powered Piet, which is ahigher powered and heavier plane yet. > > Pretty sure they're a lot heavier than 17lbs though...> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 454#398454> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder bar stops
My 20" wheel, tire and tube weigh 19 pounds each. I thought that was heavy, butfound it is what most of them weigh.Ray KrauseSkyScoutSent from my iPadOn Apr 11, 2013, at 11:58 AM, "tools" wrote:> > Just for the data point, I'll post the weight of mine (as a new one is on theway right now) in a couple days.> > Mine are 21x2.15 40 spoke, one disc front harley wheels (post 2000 I think...).They're available all day long, hubs, spokes, rim, tire and tube on ebay forabout $150 ea. The one I just ordered was $120 shipped. I think they're stockitems and guys upgrade to more spokes a lot.> > Many think the 4 1/2 hub may not be strong enough, but it sure seems to be. Well suited for disc brakes, look nice, certainly worth considering. > > Pretty sure Dick N has the same wheels on his Rotec powered Piet, which is ahigher powered and heavier plane yet. > > Pretty sure they're a lot heavier than 17lbs though...> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 454#398454> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder bar stops
Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder bar stops
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Mikee-You are my new hero! I'm going the wooden block route... it's just too simpleand clean. Right now I have stops mounted to the floor and one of them needsto be replaced.Now for the stern correction. Come to the front of the class, take the chalk inyour hand and write on the blackboard 100 times, "Uncle Tony says we must havebetween one and three threads showing past the nut." In your picture, takea look at the nut on one of the bolts that you use to adjust the aileron throwof your stick. Now get busy writing, and you can't sit back down till you'redone.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder bar stops
Mikee-You are my new hero! I'm going the wooden block route... it's just too simpleand clean. Right now I have stops mounted to the floor and one of them needsto be replaced.Now for the stern correction. Come to the front of the class, take the chalk inyour hand and write on the blackboard 100 times, "Uncle Tony says we must havebetween one and three threads showing past the nut." In your picture, takea look at the nut on one of the bolts that you use to adjust the aileron throwof your stick. Now get busy writing, and you can't sit back down till you'redone.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder bar stops
Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Original Posted By: "bubbleboy"
Wood blocks seems about right... got piles of those laying around.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Wood blocks seems about right... got piles of those laying around.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Original Posted By: "bubbleboy"
I have the exact same Perkins and Sun rim setup. With the Perkin hubs, do the twowelded flanges with the spoke holes run true when spun? My wheels run truebut the flanges were not welded straight and wobble when spun. I bought Kens spacersand brake discs too so the discs wobble as well. Do yours do this?Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comTail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine atRoy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
I have the exact same Perkins and Sun rim setup. With the Perkin hubs, do the twowelded flanges with the spoke holes run true when spun? My wheels run truebut the flanges were not welded straight and wobble when spun. I bought Kens spacersand brake discs too so the discs wobble as well. Do yours do this?Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comTail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine atRoy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Original Posted By: Hans van der Voort
Thanks Curt...I will do that.Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comTail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine atRoy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 04:55:24 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks Curt...I will do that.Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comTail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine atRoy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 04:55:24 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Original Posted By: "Dick N"
Honestly, I have not had a chance to spin mine at all. My friend trued them onhis truing rig and made no mention of any wobble. I guess I'll see in the comingweeks. Hope he will fix you up!--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Honestly, I have not had a chance to spin mine at all. My friend trued them onhis truing rig and made no mention of any wobble. I guess I'll see in the comingweeks. Hope he will fix you up!--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
Original Posted By: "tools"
Hi MikeYou are right about my wheels on the new Piet, I belive I weighed them at 27 lbs ea side, thats wheel tire tube, and brake rotor and caliper. My new Piet is 810 lbs. and they are just fine.LaterDick N.----- Original Message -----
Hi MikeYou are right about my wheels on the new Piet, I belive I weighed them at 27 lbs ea side, thats wheel tire tube, and brake rotor and caliper. My new Piet is 810 lbs. and they are just fine.LaterDick N.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I came accross my original invoice from Buchanans and I had purchased 9 ga. plain carbon spokes for my homemade hubs which were based on info provided by BPA back in the early 90's=2C I think Howard Henderson design. I have never weighed mine so before I dismantle both my wheels I will check the weight. I dismantled one wheel and broke one spoke at the threads so I will either just replace the spokes I need or maybe reorder new SS ones.> > Craig> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 459#398459> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I came accross my original invoice from Buchanans and I had purchased 9 ga. plain carbon spokes for my homemade hubs which were based on info provided by BPA back in the early 90's=2C I think Howard Henderson design. I have never weighed mine so before I dismantle both my wheels I will check the weight. I dismantled one wheel and broke one spoke at the threads so I will either just replace the spokes I need or maybe reorder new SS ones.> > Craig> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 459#398459> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme