From: MaxHegler(at)msn.comTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Re: Pietenp

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Original Posted By: MaxHegler(at)msn.comTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenp
Flying to Milwaukee on Friday evening and renting a car with my 12 year old boy - be there Friday night around 8:30PM. Save me a camping spot!!Scott Knowlton

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Original Posted By: Richard Schreiber
Hi Richard,Thanks for your excellent 2 cents worth!. This is just the type of info that people need to hear so that we have at least half a chance to make the right choice concerning which timber finishes to use.I don't think too many of us will take what you say as an advertisement, it is just great to hear the facts from those who are in a position to know what is happening. Thank you very much!Mark StanleyJapanRibs, fin,rudder & a pile of sticks ----- Original Message -----

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Original Posted By: shad bell
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Original Posted By: "amsafetyc(at)aol.com"
To: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet builders' workshop Don't forget those that have GN-1 Aircampers and like to call them piets------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Original Posted By: "Michael McGowan"
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Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Maybe Wicks would sponser a workshop at their place. They have the wood, they have the equipment, they have the woodworking expertise, and we could all pick up wood and supplies while we were there and they would make money. We would also get to see some really neat pipe organs and how they build them.Mike just getting started ----- Original Message -----

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Original Posted By: "THOMAS.233327"

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Original Posted By: Peter Johnson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

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Original Posted By: Douwe Blumberg
I=99m still here in wintry Alberta, Canada and still monitor the Pietenpol list regularly. After building and flying my Pietenpol CF-AUN for nearly 43 years I donated it to a local museum in September 2013. But I will always be interested in this neat design that pioneered grassroots aviation, and the people who build and fly Pietenpols.I rarely contribute to the discussion anymore since the same topics previously dealt with keep surfacing, and a search of the archives would almost always provide an answer to any question. Perhaps this is one reason why it seems the list is slowing down. Maybe people are beginning to use the archives more than previously. Just guessing, though.Keep =98em flying!Graham Hansen EAA 2063

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Original Posted By: "echobravo4"
Hello,1) trying to get an order for some of the fuselage. On sheet 1, under the top profiledrawing towards the right, it notes the size of wood. It's 3/4 X 1 for1, 7 to ???? I can't read itseems like it could be 14, but I'm wondering the sizeof 15.2) the forward part of the rudder is shown as 43 1/2", but the back end of thevert stab adds up to 43", so I plan to make the front of the rudder 43". Justwondering what others did.Thank you,--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two plans questions

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Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
hi John1) would be 1 and 7-14 for the 1" x 3/4"2) 43" should work- i cut the bottom off my rudder and added a a new piece to make it match up to the bottom of the fuse...hope all is well with you!--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two plans questions

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Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Thanks! All is well. Starting to turn my attention to the fusetail shouldn't takemuch longer.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

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Original Posted By: "G Hansen"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference between aGN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 plans and wasplanning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which isnot a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where the GN1airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I thought theGN1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set of plans (minusone of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had lent theplans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just finishing up thefuselage now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfaces are all built andawaiting cover. I will probably put the airplane together uncovered for anAI inspection. Then I will tear it apart for the covering and thenreassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend of mine did that with alittle biplane and when the FAA man who flew up from Charlotte in a C172took off (after the inspection) to return to CLT my friend took off rightbehind him for his first flight. Hope you have good fortune on the buildingof the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wouldn't bother building a Piet unless I justwanted to build something. Keep us aware of the progress. ChuckOn Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote:> > Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answer> recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tablet.> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flying a> GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at> Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else.> > On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" > wrote:>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there=8A)>> >> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since>> the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and>> steady =B3exodus=B2 of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting>> thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the>> last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most>> mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish>> my plane.>> >> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it>> dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =B3mouthpieces=B2>> around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following.>> >> Is Brodhead next??!!!>> >> Douwe>> >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >> ank">www.mrrace.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> tp://forums.matronics.com > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com> ank">www.mrrace.com> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> tp://forums.matronics.com> >________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
You lucky bum! Don't forget the PIET.Ray KrauseStill building SkyScout. Tail feathers almost all covered. Pictures later.Sent from my iPad> On Jan 16, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote:> > > Its time of year and weather for me. Its cold and flu season (I caught the superbug),weve had many WEEKS of IFR wx. Im gone for the holidays and Im very busyat the beginning of the semester.> > Waaa!> > > Also, I just bought the attached and it's keeping me busy.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 101#437101> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/jeffpitts1_207.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/jeffpitts2_293.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

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Original Posted By: Gerrit-Jan Kaal
I agree that the forum sure has seemed slow lately. It may just be a transitionas was mentioned from the old guard to the latest generation of people buildingand flying. Even though we build generally alone, this is quite a social journey.I for one appreciate that social part as much as this history and building.Off to layout the flat patterns for my fuel tank this weekend - after scrappingmy first attempt that I tried over the holiday break. (i was going to "overbend"the flanges and have Mike weld the outside - thus strong with the flange butno chance for the seem to leak) I have done a lot of research since then andwill be doing the tank in a more tried-and-true method. The Piet archive andwest coast Piet were a big help in the research.......--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 09:52:24 +0100Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

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Original Posted By: Jack
Say it ain't so JOE.... Just as a newcomer like me tasted the coolaid and buriedhimself in t88 glue and spruce dust someone turns out the light? I've been building for just over a year, I work on something every day. Iread this list at least once a day(usually check it multiple times for new stuff. I am practically all alone here in Arkansas with only one visitor from abuilder, and hardly anyone else. This list is very important to me for inspirationand knowledge. I made my first trip to Brodhead last July, 9 daysafter having a heart attack and a stint placement . So it is difficult for meto understand this list and the Brodhead gathering to be in it's decline. I could be putting stuff on the list more often than I do but I feel that onlyimportant or unique things are wanted. I just don't want to think that all this is going away just as I got here.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

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Original Posted By: "Jeff Boatright"
Chuck what did you fly in the NAVY, my dad flew Corsairs, TV-2s then P2Vs in the Reserve.Thanks for your service!Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:22 PM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote:> > Well, That's a funny question, for me. My plans are Pietenpol plans. However, as I have already said, the wing ribs were made from the Grega plans. Also, the four engine mounts are Grega. I liked the sturdyness of the Grega mounts. I'm using a Corvair engine and I wanted a little more substantial connection to the fuselage. Also, I didn't like the Pietenpol arrangement where the inside mount piece dictates a different positioning of the upper and lower cross pieces. I think that would also weaken the structure somewhat. Other than those things, the plane is a Pietenpol. Also, I don't like the large, motorcycle type wheels. I'm using a 600/6 Matco wheels with toe-operated hydraulic brakes. I'll be operating off a macadam runway for the most part so I like the positive braking. Incidentally, I flew Navy fighters in WW2 (that to almost tell how old I am), I have quite a few flying hours, and I've never even SEEN an airplane with a rudder bar -- much less flown one. So I put in pedals -- contrary to the Pietenpol plans. > >> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:>> Charles, I tell people that I have a PietenGrega. My plane was built between 1965 and 1973. It has a pure Pietenpol Fuselage with the Grega setup for Piper Cub landing Gear. The wing is the 3 piece Grega. So on the Cabanes the top bolt runs front to rear, a la Grega, on the bottom of the cabanes the bolt runs right to left, a la Pietenpol.>> >> What plans are you using?>> >> Blue Skies,>> Steve D. >> >>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote:>>> Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference between a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 plans and was planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which is not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where the GN1 airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I thought the GN1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set of plans (minus one of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had lent the plans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just finishing up the fuselage now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfaces are all built and awaiting cover. I will probably put the airplane together uncovered for an AI inspection. Then I will tear it apart for the covering and then reassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend of mine did that with a little biplane and when the FAA man who flew up from Charlotte in a C172 took off (after the inspection) to return to CLT my friend took off right behind him for his first flight. Hope you have good fortune on the building of the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wouldn't bother building a Piet unless I just wanted to build something. Keep us aware of the progress. Chuck>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote:>>>> Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answer recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tablet.>>>> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flying a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else.>>>> >>>>> On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:>>>>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there)>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane.>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following.>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is Brodhead next??!!!>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Douwe>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com>>>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com>>>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com>>>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com>>>>> ank">www.mrrace.com>>>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>>>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>>>>> tp://forums.matronics.com>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com>>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com>>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com>>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com>>>> ank">www.mrrace.com>>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>>>> tp://forums.matronics.com>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com>>> ank">www.mrrace.com>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>>> tp://forums.matronics.com>>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Blue Skies,>> Steve D>> >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com>> >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com>> ank">www.mrrace.com>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> tp://forums.matronics.com>> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
steven.d.dortch(at)gmail. wrote:> Jeff, Is that the Aerial version? > > Looks like an earlier version Pitts, what HP? > > Blue Skies> Steve D> > > The engine is a Frankenstein Lycoming 0-290D/G (probably putting out 130 hp). Itis an early S1C, originally built in 1966. It underwent a very thorough rebuildthat was finished in 2013, but never flown. A friend of mine bought it tofinish and get flying. Hes an A&P and very much a Pitts expert (hes the crew chiefand #2 pilot for the biplane team that won Reno 2014). I bought if from himfor about half what he could get on the market, but hes very interested inkeeping the plane on the field and encouraging as much activity as possible.My skills are nowhere near whats needed, so Im trying to arrange some serious instructionin an S2. In the meantime, Ill keep flying the Piet, of course!JeffRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 08:34:50 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

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Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Douwe,I think there are times when many of us are doing the rather mundane parts of building and/or maintaining our aircraft. For example, I'm in the covering process and it is rather tedious, repetitive and slow. It's hard to make progress that is too exciting.Another point is that we tend to make friends in our own geographical areas where communication comes outside the forum, unfortunately. For example, I communicate with Gary Boothe, Chris Tracy, Jim Boyer, Oscar Zuniga, etc on occasion when I have a quick question on a specific point that I know they have dealt with in the past. This may not be of benefit to the entire group, so maybe it should go through to Forum.Several weeks ago, Chris, Gary, Brian Rieger and his father (building a PIET together) and other friends were here to visit, look at my progress and scruff up a free lunch! (I think all my tools are still here!) It was a great day. The next day Gary came back to loan me some of his covering materials that I had failed to order. Then Chris put me in contact with Bill Liimatainen, from near Brodhead who had built a Sky Scout and had great suggestions on the landing gear. Bill called me subsequently and we spoke for nearly an hour about Pietenpols. He is sending me some plans and photos of his gear.Also during the visit here, I gave Chris a memory stick from Jake Schultz that had 146 photos of the Sky Scout in a museum in WA. Chris will put these on Westcoat PIET site.So, we are active, just not writing too much. But now you have stirred us up and we are writing too much, at least I am!Thanks,Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Jan 16, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:> > Hey all (or whomever is still out there)> > Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane.> > And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following.> > Is Brodhead next??!!!> > Douwe> > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
I look for my Piet list digest in the email pretty much first thing every day=2C and have been disappointed to see zero messages in the digest a couple of times lately. I think it's pretty common for this to happen in the winter months=2C what with the holidays and it being too cold to build or fly.I know I comment and post too much=2C so I try not to reply to posts unless I can offer something constructive=2C encouraging=2C or maybe humorous. I also ask questions about things I see on other people's airplanes because I like to learn and as William Wynne says=2C "I reserve the right to get smarter" when it comes to a new and better way to do something. There is never any shortage of things like this coming from the list=2C you just have to wait patiently for it. Actually=2C it's good training for being a good Piet pilot. Patience=2C that is.I may have been part of the 'friction' from last year and after getting punched in the gut by one person and had my engineering pshaw'ed by another=2C I unsubscribed from the list but wasn't able to resist checking the forum at least once a day to keep track of who is doing what. My self-imposed absence lasted a couple of months but there is too much good here for me to stay away.Right now there are a couple of airplanes under construction that I am really anxious to see get completed and start flying. At the top of the list is Aerocar Jake's round-engine=2C steel-frame Piet up in Washington. I was thrilled to see Ken Bickers get his plane finished up in Colorado (how's the testing going=2C Ken?)- and there are others out there that are getting close. I'm really interested in seeing Kenny Crider's Jeep-powered Piet keep coming together. And although I may end up in a wheelchair before it happens=2C I'd sure like to see Steve Dortch finish up "FrankenPiet" and get it flying to close that loop. This is why I stick around=2C along with waiting for the old-timers to drop tasty crumbs of knowledge=2C links to "watch me make smoke!" and "a 10-minute flight around the patch" videos=2C all of it.Not slowly dying... just getting rested up for spring =3Bo)Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerMedford=2C OR ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

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Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
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Original Posted By: Jonathan Ragle
Happy Thanksgiving. You may be a good candidate for the electric socks sold in the Lands End catologue!Scott KnowltonSlow Piet BuilderPietenpol-List: Cold turkey day flyingTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comWell I went up and froze my buggers for about a half hr today. It was 27 degrees=2C but I just had to go flying. The old corvair takes a little warming up in this weather=2C my preheater did not do a very good job last night. The only part of me that even got cold was my feet (OK my buggers did not freeze). Insulated coveralls=2C a ski mask=2C ski goggles=2C and a fleece lined pilots helmet and I was good. The problem with the piet is boots. If I put on great big insulated snow boots I couldn't get them to the rudder bar=2C much less move it back and forth. Hope you all have a good Thanksgiving=2C and all be thankfull for the gift of flight. Now I gonna go eat turkey.Happy ThanksgivingShad3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Glad you went flying today Shad. I wanted to but there was a direct crosswind and I'm still learning this taildragger thing. Fingers are crossed for tomorrow. Yall have fun and happy Thanksgiving!!JonathanPietenpol-List: Cold turkey day flyingTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comWell I went up and froze my buggers for about a half hr today. It was 27 degrees=2C but I just had to go flying. The old corvair takes a little warming up in this weather=2C my preheater did not do a very good job last night. The only part of me that even got cold was my feet (OK my buggers did not freeze). Insulated coveralls=2C a ski mask=2C ski goggles=2C and a fleece lined pilots helmet and I was good. The problem with the piet is boots. If I put on great big insulated snow boots I couldn't get them to the rudder bar=2C much less move it back and forth. Hope you all have a good Thanksgiving=2C and all be thankfull for the gift of flight. Now I gonna go eat turkey.Happy ThanksgivingShad3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_________________________________________________________________Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the =93I=92m a PC=94 Messenger themepack now.________________________________________________________________________________

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