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Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 1998 10:06 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Woodbridge, Gary"
Cover is a MG-2 Biplane.> A while ago someone referenced a piet in January's issue of SA. I went lookingfor it and now I'm not sure if I recieved it or not.> > What was the picture of on the front cover?> > Help!> > Stevee> > Web Developer,
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Pietenpol-List: Sport Aviation
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 1998 3:04 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: rdecosta(at)autoeurope.com (Richard DeCosta)
A while ago someone referenced a piet in January's issue of SA. I went lookingfor it and now I'm not sure if I recieved it or not.What was the picture of on the front cover?Help!Stevee________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 1998 6:27 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By:> Steve Eldredge
Have not recieved my SA. Jan98 yet either!Steeve,is the 40# weight on your tail wheel in the level position?Mine islooking a little on the light side so far,will be using brakes ,so may haveto build new gear legs but will wait till after the covering and allgoodies are installed. Doug
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 1998 9:05 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: michael list
Doug Hunt wrote:> Have not recieved my SA. Jan98 yet either!> Steeve,is the 40# weight on your tail wheel in the level position?Mine is> looking a little on the light side so far,will be using brakes ,so may have> to build new gear legs but will wait till after the covering and all> goodies are installed.> Doug>> ----------Doug,Actually I think that #40 is a bit heavy. I wish that it were around #30 DuaneWoolsey is about 32 and it seems right. I wouldn't worry at this point. Ialso have the short fuse, which will make a slight difference.Stevee________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Sport Aviation
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 1999 5:25 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: vistin(at)juno.com
Guys, There's a great writeup in the Dec issue of Sport Aviation aboutour favorite plane. It features the oldest Aircamper and the latest (MikeCuy's). Be sure to read it.... you're sure to enjoy it. Sam________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engine
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:32 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
I received my copy of Sport Aviation today. I scanned it closely, but didn't read every article. There wasn't one mention or pic of the Piet although there was a recap of OSH. I was disappointed after the build up from EAA and I'll chose to say no more on that.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:05:47 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engine
Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Aviation
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:53 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Aviation
RE: Pietenpol-List: M.E.R.F.I. this saturday
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:54 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: shad bell
Shad, Can't make it to MERFI this year, maybe next year. Got my reservation forLee Bottom, so if I can't fly because of weather I can drive.Skip----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Decathlon flight review
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:05 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Skip Gadd"
Hey Mike,No I had Forrest Barber with a borrowed plane. Don EmchRead this topic online here:
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:13 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I was amazed at the effects of moisture content recently. For my wings thewood had been cut, planed, and then allowed to dry for about a year. Wingswere built, then had 3 coats of varnish applied. Fitting were attached andtorqued to the proper specs. The fist wing was hung in the "rafters" forstorage. This spring I was surprised to find most fittings were very loosefrom continued shrinking. I will check them once again this fall beforecovering.Jackwww.textors.com _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Aviation
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:18 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Russell,I think what your missing in Dick's comment is that the Pietenpol held the place of honor durning the 2009 OSH and Sport Aviation did not print one word about it. Gene ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Aviation
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:49 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: Lawrence Williams
RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engine
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:09 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: excellent Bill Rewey tv story/interviewThank you for finding and posting that Ryan. Bill is a real gentleman and obviously kept hiscool during one of the most dreaded times to have an engine failure. We're fortunate to haveBill as one of our Pietenpol veterans.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engineDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:40:29 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:59 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Aviation
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:14 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: Jim
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport AviationI really looked hard in anticipation that the Pietenpol would be celebrated as a premier guest to the EAA event. I was really disappointed in the no mention, honorable and not. I think the EAA could have and should have included the Piets in a feature. RVs are nice and with the exception of the paint schemes one is like another. Really not a lot of builder creativity there.I am not doubting the amount of reading and working or discounting the RV group, however I did run across another builder some time ago as he was looking at my project. I asked what he was building, he replied " an RV, isn't everybody"?Short of really interesting paint jobs there is little room for the builders personality and craft to come out. The only difference between the RVand a 172 is the size of the box it comes inI like both airplanes, and celebrated in their own right however you'll never get a Box O Pietenpol nor will you find an 80 year old 172 or an RV. I received the solicitation survey from the EAA and in the section that asked for comments I kinda let my thoughts be known about getting too far from the roots of the organization and becoming too much like an AOPA clone. Just my thoughts and honest opinion.Giving fairness to the commentary I do have to say I was really pleased when Dicks Piet made the front cover. John________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:03:37 +0000 (GMT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Sport Aviation
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:06 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: shad bell
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sport AviationDick was right-they did not mention squat about the 80th Anniversary Gathering of Pietenpols that Bill Rewey, Greg Cardinal,and Doc Mosher worked so diligently to make happen.All this hype I got from Joe Norris at EAA about "we want as many Pietenpols in the Showcase Homebuilt Review as possible"was also a bunch of crap. They cut Jack Phillips out and a bunch of other homebuilts because one hand at EAA doesn't know whatthe other hand is doing-that became extremely evident when I tried to coordinate the Piet pilots with Joe Norris at EAA whohanded me off to this poor volunteer who is in charge of listing the guys/gals to fly in that little 12 minute window and walkedaway saying "okay-this guy will take care of you". Thanks a lot. They have their heads up their butt holes at EAA when thenew Piper Jet and Auger-In Cessna SpinMaster Skycatcher and other factory built airplanes get TOP BILLING and homebuiltsget a measly 12 minute window to do a little fly-by twice during a SEVEN DAY EVENT. Oh no-let's show you the latest LightSport Airplanes that cost upwards of $200,000 !!!!!!!!! Oh yeah-that's affordable. (for Bill Gates or Harrison Ford)Am I mistaken or wasn't EAA founded and flourished by HOMEBUILT AIRPLANES, no ? We've taken a huge backseat to the glitzand glamour of glass panels and factory built airplanes. Mooneys to Oshkosh and Bonanza's to Oshkosh MASS FLY in's got WAYYYYmore attention than Pietenpols got---look at the daily photos and videos posted at EAA.org and you'll see all the Paris Air Showtype hype that has taken over the mindset of EAA.With all that venting out of my system I want to emphasize that I LOVE OSHKOSH--- it is the best air show in the country and perhapsthe world but I have a beef with homebuilts being relegated to lowest class status.Lastly I do want to thank EAA for giving us PRIMO PARKING spots---- a fantastic parking area right by the main brown gate with thegorgeous display of flowers and new park benches to sit on--- and I want to thank EAA for helping us celebrate our event by givingevery showplane participant the 2009 EAA patch which featured an embroidered Pietenpol Air Camper (a Continental powered oneby the way:) ) with the words Pietenpol Air Camper 80th Anniversary on it.Maybe we'll get a token recognition in Sport Aviation one EAA kisses the asses of all the big corporate sponsors that they cow tow toanymore.And to be really fair, all of the VAST improvements that EAA has done this past year to the grounds, the increased shade, grassy areasand reduced go-kart, golf-cart, and "important persons driving vehicles all over the place" probably wouldn't have been possible withoutthe big buck sponsors like Ford, ACS, and such so in that regard I can't begrudge them because we do benefit from some of thosesponsorships.Bottom line-I just wish EAA would focus a little more on what made them great: affordable homebuilt airplanes that are economicalto build, maintain, and fly for the common working person.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:55:46 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:39 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Builders in New JerseyI am in Lancaster county PA which is 2 hours and 10 from the center of NJ 5 miles north of LNS if you're interestedJohn________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
RE: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:20 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
I found the same thing... and I too looked closely. There might have been a wingin the frame when thy shot a pic of the archway, but nothing more. Bummer.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:49 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Jack"
Seems like somebody's forgotten what the letters in the name stand for. The "E"in EAA does not stand for Expensive, or Executive, but rather, it stands forEXPERIMENTAL. By definition, that means that it is NOT certified, factory-built(although, maybe in the case of the new "skycrasher" there is a factory-builtplane that does seem to be experimental). The focus definitely seems to be onfactory-built planes more than on homebuilts, and that doesn't seem right, giventhe name and mandate of the organization. I realize that the vast majorityof aviation enthusiasts out there likely have no interest in or desire to build(or assemble) their own plane, and would much rather buy (or just look at)something shiny and "off the shelf" - and as a business, the EAA needs to caterto their customers, but honestly, the virtual sea of 172s and Bonanzas andwhatever else was parked up at the North end just puts me to sleep. Having saidthat, this year was my first visit to Oshkosh, and I did enjoy myself. Therewas a lot of stuff there that was NOT connected to homebuilts that I DID findinteresting and entertaining, and I did not manage to see everything I wantedto in the three days I was there, so it ain't all bad, that's for sure. It isdefinitely the only place in the world where you would get to see all that theyhave to offer - incredible daily airshows, free hands-on workshops, hundredsof Vintage and Warbird aircraft, in addition to the Homebuilts, and the uniqueand rare planes that Oshkosh can bring (Airbus 380, White Knight 2, Lancasterbomber... to name a few). Airventure is a massive undertaking, and they doa fantastic job of co-ordinating the throngs of people and planes that convergeon one small place for only one week of the year.It just seems that the very reason for EAA's existance has gotten lost in the shuffle.It's supposed to be about experimental aviation. I'm going to play therole of an optimist, and assume that the reason there wasn't an article aboutthe Pietenpol anniversary in the latest issue was because they're working ona special tribute for an upcoming issue, and they needed a bit more time to giveit the attention it deserves.Bill C.Read this topic online here:
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Sport Aviation
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:31 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hey Mike why don't you tell us how you really feel.

I agree in manyrespects but also realize who's paying the ad rates for the mag. I wouldguess future articles will reflect on the anniversary and I also rememberthe great article and cover on Dick's bird. Also it's great to have afellow builder on the Board. Thank goodness I took my blood pressure pillthis AM. I need it with the falling of our Constitution and Nation. Hopeeveryone kept those in mind this morning that perished in 911.Take care!Jackwww.textors.com
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:42 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport AviationAfter that mixup in the Homebuilt Review, I wrote the following letter toTom Poberezny:Tom PobereznyPresident, Experimental Aircraft AssociationP.O. Box 3086Oshkosh, WI 54903-3086 August 3rd,2009Dear Mr. Poberezny,I am writing this letter out of concern for the Experimental AircraftAssociation. Last year, EAA went to some lengths to survey the membershipto find out how the members feel about the direction the organization isheading. The improvements to the Airventure grounds at Oshkosh thatresulted from that survey were well thought-out and much appreciated. Iunderstand that one of the results of the survey was that EAA should try toget back to its roots in homebuilding aircraft. I applauded this news, asI'm sure did a majority of the membership.I'm concerned because I don't see the organization following through withits promises. Even though the EAA has said it would put more emphasis onhomebuilding, Homebuilts and homebuilders still seem to be taking a backseat to high-dollar corporate sponsors.Last week I flew my Pietenpol Air Camper 700 miles from North Carolina toOshkosh. The trip took me 3 days (one entire day trying to get over themountains in Virginia). The primary reason I flew the Pietenpol up was thatI had been invited by Joe Norris to fly my plane in the Homebuilt Review.On Wednesday I attended the flyby briefing, then taxied down to the end of36L with 18 other homebuilts to have our 12 minutes (of the nearly two hourpre-airshow festivities) of Homebuilt Review. However, once down at the endof the runway, we were told that only 10 of the 19 could fly - the HomebuiltReview was being cut short. There were three Pietenpols there, to celebratethe 80th anniversary of the type. We had to flip a coin and the odd man out(which was me) did not get to fly.I was very disappointed, but then became disgusted when I saw what wasflying after the Homebuilt Review, that presumably caused our flight time tobe cut short - the ill-timed market entry of the Piper Jet. It is unclearto me what that has to do with experimental aircraft. Once again, EAA hasdemonstrated that what matters most is money. Homebuilders (particularlyplans-builders) don't generate much in the way of sponsorship dollars, so weget scant attention at what used to be OUR convention.I understand that you have expressed interest in stepping down as Presidentof the organization, but will retain your position as Chairman of the Board.I think that you have done a tremendous amount of good in your tenure,expanding the association to encompass virtually all of sport aviation. Iam particularly thankful for the development of the Young Eagles program.However I would like to suggest that one of the requirements for yoursuccessor should be that he/she had actually built an experimental aircraft,preferably from plans (having built the Pietenpol from plans and currentlybuilding an RV-10 kit, I can say that the plans-building experience is muchricher). I think this much is owed to the organization, since it is stillthe EXPERIMENTAL Aircraft Association.Sincerely,Jack PhillipsEAA 81225 (Tech Counselor for Chapter 1114, Young Eagle Horizon Award 2003)Pietenpol NX899JP (winner of Outstanding Workmanship Award at AirVenture2005)cc: Adam Smith, Joe Norris, Mary JonesTo my great surprise, I received an email from Tom (I had mailed the letter,without my email address, so he had to do some searching to find it):Jack, Thanks for your thoughtful letter of August 3rd concerning EAA, its future,and your attendance at AirVenture Oshkosh. I appreciate your candidcomments and your thoughts concerning the next president of theorganization. Your comments concerning my efforts are appreciated, and atthe same time I'd like to recognize the fact that we need to continue to dobetter. My response if also share with Mary Jones, Adam Smith, and JoeNorris. Your letter will be discussed at one of our upcoming meetings.Please know that your thoughts are important.Regards,TomTom Poberezny, EAA #40000Chairman of the Board & PresidentEAA-The Spirit of AviationPhone: 920.426.4810Fax: 920.426.4878www.eaa.org See you at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh-July 26-August 1, 2010Maybe now that we have a real Pietenpol Builder in the form of Barry Davison the EAA Board of Directors, we can make this idea stick. I do think itis somewhat ridiculous that the President of the Experimental AircraftAssociation has never built an airplane - not even an RV.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Raleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:42 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
After that mixup in the Homebuilt Review, I wrote the following letter toTom Poberezny:Tom PobereznyPresident, Experimental Aircraft AssociationP.O. Box 3086Oshkosh, WI 54903-3086August 3rd,2009Dear Mr. Poberezny,I am writing this letter out of concern for the Experimental AircraftAssociation. Last year, EAA went to some lengths to survey the membershipto find out how the members feel about the direction the organization isheading. The improvements to the Airventure grounds at Oshkosh thatresulted from that survey were well thought-out and much appreciated. Iunderstand that one of the results of the survey was that EAA should try toget back to its roots in homebuilding aircraft. I applauded this news, asI'm sure did a majority of the membership.I'm concerned because I don't see the organization following through withits promises. Even though the EAA has said it would put more emphasis onhomebuilding, Homebuilts and homebuilders still seem to be taking a backseat to high-dollar corporate sponsors.Last week I flew my Pietenpol Air Camper 700 miles from North Carolina toOshkosh. The trip took me 3 days (one entire day trying to get over themountains in Virginia). The primary reason I flew the Pietenpol up was thatI had been invited by Joe Norris to fly my plane in the Homebuilt Review.On Wednesday I attended the flyby briefing, then taxied down to the end of36L with 18 other homebuilts to have our 12 minutes (of the nearly two hourpre-airshow festivities) of Homebuilt Review. However, once down at the endof the runway, we were told that only 10 of the 19 could fly - the HomebuiltReview was being cut short. There were three Pietenpols there, to celebratethe 80th anniversary of the type. We had to flip a coin and the odd man out(which was me) did not get to fly.I was very disappointed, but then became disgusted when I saw what wasflying after the Homebuilt Review, that presumably caused our flight time tobe cut short - the ill-timed market entry of the Piper Jet. It is unclearto me what that has to do with experimental aircraft. Once again, EAA hasdemonstrated that what matters most is money. Homebuilders (particularlyplans-builders) don't generate much in the way of sponsorship dollars, so weget scant attention at what used to be OUR convention.I understand that you have expressed interest in stepping down as Presidentof the organization, but will retain your position as Chairman of the Board.I think that you have done a tremendous amount of good in your tenure,expanding the association to encompass virtually all of sport aviation. Iam particularly thankful for the development of the Young Eagles program.However I would like to suggest that one of the requirements for yoursuccessor should be that he/she had actually built an experimental aircraft,preferably from plans (having built the Pietenpol from plans and currentlybuilding an RV-10 kit, I can say that the plans-building experience is muchricher). I think this much is owed to the organization, since it is stillthe EXPERIMENTAL Aircraft Association.Sincerely,Jack PhillipsEAA 81225 (Tech Counselor for Chapter 1114, Young Eagle Horizon Award 2003)Pietenpol NX899JP (winner of Outstanding Workmanship Award at AirVenture2005)cc: Adam Smith, Joe Norris, Mary JonesTo my great surprise, I received an email from Tom (I had mailed the letter,without my email address, so he had to do some searching to find it):Jack, Thanks for your thoughtful letter of August 3rd concerning EAA, its future,and your attendance at AirVenture Oshkosh. I appreciate your candidcomments and your thoughts concerning the next president of theorganization. Your comments concerning my efforts are appreciated, and atthe same time I'd like to recognize the fact that we need to continue to dobetter. My response if also share with Mary Jones, Adam Smith, and JoeNorris. Your letter will be discussed at one of our upcoming meetings.Please know that your thoughts are important.Regards,TomTom Poberezny, EAA #40000Chairman of the Board & PresidentEAA-The Spirit of AviationPhone: 920.426.4810Fax: 920.426.4878www.eaa.org See you at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh-July 26-August 1, 2010Maybe now that we have a real Pietenpol Builder in the form of Barry Davison the EAA Board of Directors, we can make this idea stick. I do think itis somewhat ridiculous that the President of the Experimental AircraftAssociation has never built an airplane - not even an RV.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Raleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:57 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
JackWell done it appears to me that the EAA is now upside down in its approach to honoringits roots which should always be first and the centerpiece. Without wilbur and orvile there would be no piper jet or big honkin airbus 380.JohnSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:18 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Jack, Thank you for your thoughtful and to the point comments!--Jim Lagowski----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet builders' workshop
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:37 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
I would like to weigh in on this. There has been an informal Piet builders workshop at Sun n Fun for many years now. We can't actually call it that, but anyone who has been to the Work Workshop will be surrounded by Piet people and most years, we are working on a Piet project for someone. That has been posted on this list for over 10 years that I have been involved with it. Last year we built wings for Skip Gadd. A couple of years ago it was a fuselage for Gardiner Mason and over 3 years the parts for my radial Piet. We are open to projects and participation. If anyone has a project to make some fast progress on let me know.Dick N----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet builders' workshop
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:47 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
how about someone just producing a good video series. I would love to see sometraining vids on piet building.Read this topic online here:
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet builders' workshop
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:54 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Buy Mike Cuy's excellent video on building and flying his Piet. You can getit at:
http://www.flyingwood.com/NX48MC.htmIt is almost as useful as the set of 4 Tony Bingelis books.Jack PhillipsNX899JP-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet builders' workshop
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:09 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: Jim
Re: Pietenpol-List: Off topic, but interesting
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:40 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: "shad bell"
In an article published yesterday (9/11/09) about the new USAF light-attackaircraft competition (primarily concerning Boeing's OV-10X updated Bronco)it was mentioned that the PA-48 Enforcer was actually being entered forconsideration! Hard to imagine the Air Force going for a WW2 fighterdesign... my money's on the OV-10X, although I'm admittedly quite biasedthere :)Maybe we could come up with a Combat Pietenpol for this... it's gotta bestealthy already, being made of wood and all... and it's definitely "proventechnology". Might need a few more hardpoints, though...Mike WhaleyMerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:29 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Jack et al,I certainly think that many folks agree, in all or part, with many of yourpoints and concerns. But to be fair, let's not forget that in the past yearor so, EAA has launched the new "Experimenter" newsletter, which is verymuch oriented towards the scratch-builder/experimental aspects... and betteryet, has made it available to all who want it, not just EAA members. EAA, aswonderful and skilled as they are in many areas, still suffers from the sameproblem that most EAA chapters, churches, civic organizations, onlinecommunities, and virtually every other group on earth faces... the samesmall core group of folks does most of the work, and there's always muchmore to do than there are folks willing and/or able to do it. EAA actuallygets things done better than most groups overall, I think. That's not to saythat they shouldn't have covered the Piets... or the T-28 anniversary... oreven the nearly NTSB-investigation-worthy arrival of the A380. But SportAviation would have to be 400 pages long to cover everything properly, andit would take 5 months to write, edit, and produce! They're human and havedeadlines and make mistakes (heck, last month's Sport Pilot had a verynoticeable typo... right on the cover!) Not the end of the world, but areminder that things do slip through the cracks, even in the big leagues.I'm not saying it's acceptable that they didn't cover the Piets at all, BUTI strongly suspect that it was little more than an embarassing oversight,not a wilful desire to cut the Piets out, and they might even be veryembarassed over it, now that they've been made aware of the oversight.As for the fly-bys, I remember the same kind of issues becoming apparentwhen they had 7 different Trimotors doing fly-bys a few years ago... we allcould have watched it all day, but they only were able to do it for a veryfew minutes, despite the truly historic nature of such a collection (onlyabout 4 were Fords... one was a Junkers, one was a seaplane, I think therewas something else too...) It does sound like it ended up being a mess butgiven the insane air traffic situation there, it's possible there's more toit than one or two guys dropping the ball. Heck, some of that could havecome down from the FAA or even their insurance carriers, who knows. Maybethey're just trying to cram in too much for the time they alotted. The bestthing to do is to thoroughly document the problems and who said and didwhat, and let them know (which you already did)... and give them a chance tocorrect it.EAA isn't perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than any other group atsupporting the kind of aviation we all enjoy, and is vital in keeping thingsgoing in the face of a government that gets more oppressive by the daytowards aviation. They need our support and turning these problems into alets-bash-EAA party WILL hurt us. So...Let's adopt the homebuilder spirit here and offer positive solutions andideas, and move on from there. Sure there should have been at least aparagraph of two and a photo in with the rest of all the OSH coverage, butlet's encourage them to consider publishing a full article in an upcomingissue that will provide more room for real info. Maybe they're alreadyplanning this, who knows. Those of you who directly took part might evenwrite something yourselves, I just bet they'd welcome it.-MikeMike WhaleyMerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Off topic, but interesting
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:33 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Off topic, but interesting
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:51 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport Aviation
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:57 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: Mike Tunnicliffe
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engine
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:06 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engine
Re: Pietenpol-List: Off topic, but interesting
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:40 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: Mike Whaley
A friend of mine was one of, if not the chief designer of the Piper Enforcer, and as I recall it was not based on a Mustang, although it looked somewhat like one. I believe it was quite a bit smaller. He was showing me design drawings almost from the start.Gene ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Off topic, but interesting
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:49 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Off topic, but interesting
> [piet] Pietenpol-List: Off topic, but interesting
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:08 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
> > > Sport Aviation
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:27 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: PTNPOL
> > Thanks for the replies. I called eaa and they are sending me mine too. I > did find a way to see the cover of the current issue on the net that is > kind of cool..> > Check out EAA's homepage and follow EAA's publications to Sport Aviation.> They have the current table of context too.> > Just wish I could read the articles!> > Stevee> > On Friday, January 16, 1998 2:26 PM, Woodbridge, Gary > [SMTP:gwoodbridge(at)datatimes.com] wrote:> > Steve and others:> >> > I did not receive mine either. I would have remembered that bipe. I> > called them up and they are sending another.> > The lady said they where getting a large number of complaints about no> > delivery.> >> > Gary Woodbridge> > Senior Systems Engineer - UMI / OKC> > Maule M7-235B - N723M> > gwoodbridge(at)datatimes.com> >> > >----------> > >From: Steve Eldredge[SMTP:steve(at)byu.edu]> > >Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 3:04 PM> > >To: Pietenpol Discussion> > >Subject: Sport Aviation> > >> > >A while ago someone referenced a piet in January's issue of SA. Iwent> > >looking for it and now I'm not sure if I recieved it or not.> > >> > >What was the picture of on the front cover?> > >> > >Help!> > >> > >Stevee> > >> > >________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:34 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
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