Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Jim Sury
Can a starter can be installed for a GN-1with a Continental 80. If so, what is the procedure for installation.Also, has anyone done a full stall series ina GN-1. What were the numbers?Just bought a GN-1 and have not yet flownit. Don't like surprises.Thanks gang.Mike KingDallas-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438 zap: mikek(at)intex.net web site: http://www.comedy-wire.com________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Jim Skinner
If your engine is a C-85-12 you can put a starter on it. If it isn't, youcan't. Easiest way, other than looking at log books, is to see if there is ablanked off pad in the top center of the accessory pad at the rear of theengine between the magnetos. Also, look in the log book. A C-85-8 does nothave this accessory case, and will not accept a starter.Ed________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
Ed,Thanks. I am looking at the original engine log dating backto 1940 I received from the seller...(the plane is still in Corpus)....and the log shows TYPE: A-80. Serial Number 806909.I can't find any where in the three engine logs where it saysthe engine is a C-85. When I get to Corpus I will look at theengine compartment for a blanked off pad in the top center of the accessory pad.Thanks again Ed for the reply.MikeDallas>If your engine is a C-85-12 you can put a starter on it. If it isn't, you>can't. Easiest way, other than looking at log books, is to see if there is a>blanked off pad in the top center of the accessory pad at the rear of the>engine between the magnetos. Also, look in the log book. A C-85-8 does not>have this accessory case, and will not accept a starter.>>Ed>>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438 zap: mikek(at)intex.net web site: http://www.comedy-wire.com________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Thanks for the tips..........I appreciate it very much.The solution may be a McDowell starter. Since itwill be hard to find, I will have my work cut out forme. Any suggestions where to start looking?MikeDallas>The A-80 has no provisions for a starter and I don't know of any way toretro fit.>If hand proping is a major concern of yours you may try to find a McDowelstarter.>They are hard to find and can give problems but it's the best solution withthat>engine.>>The McDowel starter is a lever operated cable that runs to a ring on the>propshaft. It works much like a lawnmower starter. Place the engine so it'scoming>up on compresion and pull the lever. The mechanical advantage of the leverpullsw>the cable which engages the ring on the prop shaft and rotates the engine. You>beter have impulse mags for this system!>>Michael King wrote:>>> Ed,>>>> Thanks. I am looking at the original engine log dating back>> to 1940 I received from the seller...(the plane is still in Corpus)>> ....and the log shows TYPE: A-80. Serial Number 806909.>>>> I can't find any where in the three engine logs where it says>> the engine is a C-85. When I get to Corpus I will look at the>> engine compartment for a blanked off pad in the top center>> of the accessory pad.>>>> Thanks again Ed for the reply.>>>> Mike>> Dallas>>>> >If your engine is a C-85-12 you can put a starter on it. If it isn't, you>> >can't. Easiest way, other than looking at log books, is to see if thereis a>> >blanked off pad in the top center of the accessory pad at the rear of the>> >engine between the magnetos. Also, look in the log book. A C-85-8does not>> >have this accessory case, and will not accept a starter.>> >>> >Ed>> >>> >>> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*>> Mike King THE COMEDY WIRE Dallas, Tx.>> ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438>>>> zap: mikek(at)intex.net>> web site: http://www.comedy-wire.com>> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*>>>-->>David B.Schober, CPE>Instructor, Aviation Maintenance>Fairmont State College>National Aerospace Education Center>Rt. 3 Box 13>Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503>(304) 842-8300>>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438 zap: mikek(at)intex.net web site: http://www.comedy-wire.com________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
The A-80 has no provisions for a starter and I don't know of any way to retro fit.If hand proping is a major concern of yours you may try to find a McDowel starter.They are hard to find and can give problems but it's the best solution with thatengine.The McDowel starter is a lever operated cable that runs to a ring on thepropshaft. It works much like a lawnmower starter. Place the engine so it's comingup on compresion and pull the lever. The mechanical advantage of the lever pullswthe cable which engages the ring on the prop shaft and rotates the engine. Youbeter have impulse mags for this system!Michael King wrote:> Ed,>> Thanks. I am looking at the original engine log dating back> to 1940 I received from the seller...(the plane is still in Corpus)> ....and the log shows TYPE: A-80. Serial Number 806909.>> I can't find any where in the three engine logs where it says> the engine is a C-85. When I get to Corpus I will look at the> engine compartment for a blanked off pad in the top center> of the accessory pad.>> Thanks again Ed for the reply.>> Mike> Dallas>> >If your engine is a C-85-12 you can put a starter on it. If it isn't, you> >can't. Easiest way, other than looking at log books, is to see if there isa> >blanked off pad in the top center of the accessory pad at the rear of the> >engine between the magnetos. Also, look in the log book. A C-85-8 does not> >have this accessory case, and will not accept a starter.> >> >Ed> >> >> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*> Mike King THE COMEDY WIRE Dallas, Tx.> ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438>> zap: mikek(at)intex.net> web site: http://www.comedy-wire.com> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "McNarry, John"
I stand corrected. If you have an A-80-9 there is provisions for a starter. AnA-80-8has no provisions for the starter. Since the engine is not in a certificated airplane,you could remove the accessory case and replace it with a -9 case and the appropriategears and components. Again, the parts to convert to a -9 are going to be hardtofind. Get a copy of the Instruction Manual for models A-50, A-65, A75 and A-80.Itgives a parts breakdown. You will loose performance from the increased empty weightwith a starter so beware.David B. Schober wrote:> The A-80 has no provisions for a starter and I don't know of any way to retrofit.> If hand proping is a major concern of yours you may try to find a McDowel starter.> They are hard to find and can give problems but it's the best solution with that> engine.>> The McDowel starter is a lever operated cable that runs to a ring on the> propshaft. It works much like a lawnmower starter. Place the engine so it's coming> up on compresion and pull the lever. The mechanical advantage of the lever pullsw> the cable which engages the ring on the prop shaft and rotates the engine. You> beter have impulse mags for this system!>> Michael King wrote:>> > Ed,> >> > Thanks. I am looking at the original engine log dating back> > to 1940 I received from the seller...(the plane is still in Corpus)> > ....and the log shows TYPE: A-80. Serial Number 806909.> >> > I can't find any where in the three engine logs where it says> > the engine is a C-85. When I get to Corpus I will look at the> > engine compartment for a blanked off pad in the top center> > of the accessory pad.> >> > Thanks again Ed for the reply.> >> > Mike> > Dallas> >> > >If your engine is a C-85-12 you can put a starter on it. If it isn't, you> > >can't. Easiest way, other than looking at log books, is to see if there isa> > >blanked off pad in the top center of the accessory pad at the rear of the> > >engine between the magnetos. Also, look in the log book. A C-85-8 doesnot> > >have this accessory case, and will not accept a starter.> > >> > >Ed> > >> > >> > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*> > Mike King THE COMEDY WIRE Dallas, Tx.> > ring: 214.905.9299 fax: 214.905-1438> >> > zap: mikek(at)intex.net> > web site: http://www.comedy-wire.com> > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*>> -->> David B.Schober, CPE> Instructor, Aviation Maintenance> Fairmont State College> National Aerospace Education Center> Rt. 3 Box 13> Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503> (304) 842-8300>--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Ed0248(at)aol.com
I'll look around through my stuff and see if I have anything on the A-80.WOW! Where'd he find that relic? It belongs in a museum, but I'm glad to seethose old airplanes and engines still flying.Ed________________________________________________________________________________