Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: walter evans
Welcome to the group Walt, I to am building aPietenpol Aircamper and have found thisdiscussion group both informative andenjoyable.-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Mike Lund
Here in the Ozarks there's a kind of tree thats growsaround old trash dumps, seems the tree produceda cottoney seed that was used for packingfor certain items from Japan, the packinginsulation contained seeds that grew intotrees. The wood is very light in weight andmy friend has dried some in a kiln, I planto use this wood to stream line my strutsthe strengh to weight seems pretty good.My guess is the wood weights about1/2 of spruce.-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Subject: intro Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: walter evans
Subject: intro Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper Hi Walt: Welcome aboard. Mike B ( Piet N687MB )________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: intro>> Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper >>Hi Walt,>Where are you located?>>Dave>Rochester, NY - 30 miles south of Rochester>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Gary Gower
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fw: intro>Walt,>>This is a text only group. The best way to send pictures is>to stick them on a web site or ftp site and tell folks where>to find them. Richard DeCosta has a server that provides>web space for Piet builders.>>I am just getting started on construction. The rib jig is done>and a master set of rib parts has been cut out.>>Dave>>>>Dave,>>I'm from northern NJ. near Newton ( on the charts)>>walt>>p.s. I'm new to the group, is it proper to share pics. or is it just text?>>-----Original Message----->>From: Dave and Connie >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:43 PM>>Subject: Re: intro>>>>>>>> Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper>>>>>>Hi Walt,>>>Where are you located?>>>>>>Dave>>>Rochester, NY - 30 miles south of Rochester>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: robert hensarling
Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: walter evans
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Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
Dave,I'm from northern NJ. near Newton ( on the charts)waltp.s. I'm new to the group, is it proper to share pics. or is it just text?-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
Dave , thanks for the info.I've got alot of the major stuff started(12 ribs but no wings yet) .a little cramped for space, building in a 10'x20 basement.Been following richard decosta's page through the shutdown , and justtonight I ran into his new site, even logged on.walt-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: walter evans
> Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper Hi Walt,Where are you located?DaveRochester, NY - 30 miles south of Rochester________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael Conkling
Is Ok to send photos direct, but photos (or any attchment) is notrecommended, because some members e-mail dont support attachements, andloose the message.You may ask Richar Da Costa if it OK to send your photos to him, he may beable to post them in his great homepage www.AirCamper.org/Will be great to see your progress.SaludosGary Gower(Guadalajara, Mexico) >Dave,>I'm from northern NJ. near Newton ( on the charts)>walt>p.s. I'm new to the group, is it proper to share pics. or is it just text?>-----Original Message----->From: Dave and Connie >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:43 PM>Subject: Re: intro>>>>> Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air Camper >>>>Hi Walt,>>Where are you located?>>>>Dave>>Rochester, NY - 30 miles south of Rochester>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: John Duprey
I can set anyone on the list up with FTP access to the server, withyour own directory, so you can upload & share images. Email me or fillout this form: http://www.aircamper.org/FreeSpace.cfmRichard--- Gary Gower wrote:> Is Ok to send photos direct, but photos (or any attchment) is not> recommended, because some members e-mail dont support attachements,> and> loose the message.> > You may ask Richar Da Costa if it OK to send your photos to him, he> may be> able to post them in his great homepage www.AirCamper.org/> > Will be great to see your progress.> > Saludos> > Gary Gower> (Guadalajara, Mexico) > > >Dave,> >I'm from northern NJ. near Newton ( on the charts)> >walt> >p.s. I'm new to the group, is it proper to share pics. or is it just> text?> >-----Original Message-----> >From: Dave and Connie > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:43 PM> >Subject: Re: intro> >> >> >>> Hi everyone. My name is Walt Evans. I'm building an Air> Camper > >>> >>Hi Walt,> >>Where are you located?> >>> >>Dave> >>Rochester, NY - 30 miles south of Rochester> >>> >>> >> >> >> > ===http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Mark Hopkins
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: intro>Hi Walt Evans...welcome to the group. how about telling us the status ofyou>project. If you have any big question marks on the plans just put it to the>group and I'll bet you'll get some good replies. Don Hicks>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: kyle ray
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fw: intro>Your tubing idea just sparked a thought- How about maging a strut of spruce>or balsa or whatever, then:>>#1 running it throught the bandsaw with a fence, or a thin kerf tablesaw>#2 hollow it out on the router table to accept a 1" or 1 1/4" or 1 1/2" (or>whatever the engineering works out to) round tube.>#3 Assemble the whole mess to resemble a real strut. (the Flying and glider>manuals have some good articals on this idea under "streamlining)>>It should work as well as streamlined tubing at 1/2 the price and twice the>work.>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: DonanClara(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fw: intro>>I'm from northern NJ. near Newton ( on the charts)>Hi Walt!> Do you know Bob Schiffel a Piet builder from Sussex? My parents>used to summer at Mtn. Shadows Lake near Newton and I went to Boy Scout>camp as a youngster on Fairview Lake near Stillwater. I've flown in to>Newton and Branchville to visit my folks.>Tom>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: walter evans
Hi Walt Evans...welcome to the group. how about telling us the status of you project. If you have any big question marks on the plans just put it to the group and I'll bet you'll get some good replies. Don Hicks________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: DonanClara(at)aol.com
Don,Thanks for the welcome. Been building since last summer from the plans fromPietenpol family. My second wooden project. Have basic fuse completed, 12ribs done, tail surfaces done also. Various other assys started. Thelast thing that I finished was wire wheels, that I made from motorcycle rimsand spokes, and fabricated the hubs. I think they came out pretty well.Speaking of questions on the plans.....The main wing struts, I guess, is anobsolete size of streamline tube.So with all of the different sizes I see in the photos, I picked up 4 usedstruts. I think they are 1 7/8x 7/8"x.035wall. Same size as rear strutfrom a J-3 Cub.. Any one use these???Walt Evans-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: walter evans
>I'm from northern NJ. near Newton ( on the charts)Hi Walt! Do you know Bob Schiffel a Piet builder from Sussex? My parentsused to summer at Mtn. Shadows Lake near Newton and I went to Boy Scoutcamp as a youngster on Fairview Lake near Stillwater. I've flown in toNewton and Branchville to visit my folks.Tom__________________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Thomas E Bowdler
Tom,I've never met him, although my "mentor" friend knows him well( Dick Lawson)and always insists that we go up to see his Piet.Right now me and my friends fly ul's out of newton. stop in and see us. mine is the Fisher 404 in the white fabric hanger on the west side)Fairview lk. is where they made those horror movies( friday the 13th , Ithink)Where are you from, Tom?Walt Evans-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: bholbrook
It is my understanding that Mr. Pietenpol had those struts specially made for him with the 'V' shaped reinforcing for strength and that they were available from him at that time. To'the best of my knowledge they are no longer being manufactured. I,m sure that J-3 struts are fine but, as Warren indicated you,ve got to be careful about used ones. The AD note that required replacement was for that reason. This is not to say some original Cub struts couldn't be found without rust but you must be careful. Also watch out for Fly Market struts. Most I have seen are bent. Some builders more talented than I may know how to straighten them. As soon as I finish my right wing (about half done at this point} I should be close to cover on everything. The one item left for last were the struts. After much thought I have pretty much decided to go the same route as Gary Price...3/4" X 1- 1/2" rectangular tubing sandwiched between routed lengths of wood ( I'll use spruce) which is then trimmed to the streamlined shape. I've never seen any done this way. Photos of Gary's look a bit bulky but not extremely so. After that, cover and paint (VOILA ! ) it should be done. ( Hey Mike where do you suppose that French came from?) Best of luck with your project Walt Don Hicks ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Mark Hopkins
Your tubing idea just sparked a thought- How about maging a strut of spruceor balsa or whatever, then:#1 running it throught the bandsaw with a fence, or a thin kerf tablesaw#2 hollow it out on the router table to accept a 1" or 1 1/4" or 1 1/2" (orwhatever the engineering works out to) round tube.#3 Assemble the whole mess to resemble a real strut. (the Flying and glidermanuals have some good articals on this idea under "streamlining)It should work as well as streamlined tubing at 1/2 the price and twice thework.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Alan Swanson
Mike,I think that is what garry Price (Yesterdays Wings) did.His struts look great________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: robert hensarling
At Sun 'N Fun I met a guy selling vinyl fairings for ultralight struts.They were made to slip over aluminum struts, but would work just as well forour purpose. He makes 2 sizes, large and small. The small would just fitover Gary Price's 3/4 by 1 1/2 tube, without having to fashion wood ones.Also more aerodynamic. They are white, and paintable. What are opinionsabout this solution? Much cheaper than streamline. The company name isStreamline Fairings2662 Bay City TerraceNorth Port, FL 34286941-423-3591Al Swanson>It is my understanding that Mr. Pietenpol had those struts specially made for>him with the 'V' shaped reinforcing for strength and that they were available>from him at that time. To'the best of my knowledge they are no longer being >manufactured. I,m sure that J-3 struts are fine but, as Warren indicated >you,ve got to be careful about used ones. The AD note that required >replacement was for that reason. This is not to say some original Cub struts >couldn't be found without rust but you must be careful. Also watch out for >Fly Market struts. Most I have seen are bent. Some builders more talented >than I may know how to straighten them. As soon as I finish my right wing >(about half done at this point} I should be close to cover on everything. The>one item left for last were the struts. After much thought I have pretty much>decided to go the same route as Gary Price...3/4" X 1- 1/2" rectangular >tubing sandwiched between routed lengths of wood ( I'll use spruce) which is >then trimmed to the streamlined shape. I've never seen any done this way. >Photos of Gary's look a bit bulky but not extremely so. After that, cover >and paint (VOILA ! ) it should be done. ( Hey Mike where do you suppose that >French came from?) Best of luck with your project Walt Don Hicks >>________________________________________________________________________________