Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Dlwoolsey(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage glueing>Richard DeCosta wrote:>>>> I now have my 2 fuse sides upside-down in the the jig and all the>> various cross-pieces cut. I have been clamping them in place in>> preperation for glueing, and have noticed considerable strain on the>> wood durring this process. Should I glue the 3/16" ply floor on at the>> same time as the cross pieces underneath, or will it hold ok by me just>> glueing the cross-pieces in? I dont have the ply for the floor yet, and>> wont have for probably 2-3 weeks. If it's too much for just the cross>> pieces, Ill wait til I have the ply.>>>> Richard>> p.s. it finally looks like a plane! >> ===>> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly?Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner>> --------------------------------------------------------->> Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!>> --------------------------------------------------------->> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder>> >>>Richard,>>I assembled mine by placing it upside down on the table and inserting>and butt-gluing the cross members in. at the time, I didnt have the>floor board material either. I bar-clamped it all together in the front>and pulled the tail post area together , held them with bar clamps and>let it all dry. I went ahead and made and glued up the ttriangular>gussetts at the tailpost (Top and Bottom). Then I carefully removed>(with the help of the missus and a friend) the whole fuselage. BE VERY>SLOW AND CAREFUL HERE!>>Turned it right side up and carefully glued in the gussetts that>connnect the two slab sides . Mine is a GN1 and I dont remember exactly>how a piet is - but mine called for three big gussetts that span from>side to side and are glued to the top of each longeron (locetd just>underneath each instrument panel and one is immediately behind the>firewall). They are about 6" wide by fuse width in length.>>I also temporarily made and fastened gussetts ( 2" x fuse width) AHEAD>of the firewall. You see I left about 4 " ahead of station zero on mine>for ease of handling. This was later cut away when I made my firewll.>>If this is confusing, sorry.>Bottom Line is yes you can remove and continue work before puttin in the>floor-just think ahead.>Good Luck - Its fun when it starts looking like an airplane. You could>also make it a boat I guess >>Bert>bwm(at)planttel.net>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: bwm
I now have my 2 fuse sides upside-down in the the jig and all thevarious cross-pieces cut. I have been clamping them in place inpreperation for glueing, and have noticed considerable strain on thewood durring this process. Should I glue the 3/16" ply floor on at thesame time as the cross pieces underneath, or will it hold ok by me justglueing the cross-pieces in? I dont have the ply for the floor yet, andwont have for probably 2-3 weeks. If it's too much for just the crosspieces, Ill wait til I have the ply.Richardp.s. it finally looks like a plane! ==="Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just howin the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner---------------------------------------------------------Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!---------------------------------------------------------My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder_____ ... __________

Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Richard DeCosta wrote:> > I now have my 2 fuse sides upside-down in the the jig and all the> various cross-pieces cut. I have been clamping them in place in> preperation for glueing, and have noticed considerable strain on the> wood durring this process. Should I glue the 3/16" ply floor on at the> same time as the cross pieces underneath, or will it hold ok by me just> glueing the cross-pieces in? I dont have the ply for the floor yet, and> wont have for probably 2-3 weeks. If it's too much for just the cross> pieces, Ill wait til I have the ply.> > Richard> p.s. it finally looks like a plane! > ===> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just howin the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner> ---------------------------------------------------------> Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!> ---------------------------------------------------------> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder> Richard,I assembled mine by placing it upside down on the table and insertingand butt-gluing the cross members in. at the time, I didnt have thefloor board material either. I bar-clamped it all together in the frontand pulled the tail post area together , held them with bar clamps andlet it all dry. I went ahead and made and glued up the ttriangulargussetts at the tailpost (Top and Bottom). Then I carefully removed(with the help of the missus and a friend) the whole fuselage. BE VERYSLOW AND CAREFUL HERE!Turned it right side up and carefully glued in the gussetts thatconnnect the two slab sides . Mine is a GN1 and I dont remember exactlyhow a piet is - but mine called for three big gussetts that span fromside to side and are glued to the top of each longeron (locetd justunderneath each instrument panel and one is immediately behind thefirewall). They are about 6" wide by fuse width in length.I also temporarily made and fastened gussetts ( 2" x fuse width) AHEADof the firewall. You see I left about 4 " ahead of station zero on minefor ease of handling. This was later cut away when I made my firewll.If this is confusing, sorry. Bottom Line is yes you can remove and continue work before puttin in thefloor-just think ahead. Good Luck - Its fun when it starts looking like an airplane. You couldalso make it a boat I guess :)Bertbwm(at)planttel.net________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: David Swagler
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage glueing>Richard->I agree with Earl's story. I glued everything forward of the rear seat,>including the seat back, before pulling the tail pieces together. One work>of caution- be sure when you glue the floor in, and then when pulling the>tail together, that the fuse is exactly square. I used a plumb line from>the center of the front cross piece to the center of the tail post. I made>marks on each cross piece to be sure I was square all the way to the back.>This was very helpful when mitering the tailpost pieces together.>>Its exciting when the tail comes together and it looks like it might fly!>>Al Swanson>>>>Richard;>> In my Humble opinion, I would glue the x pieces in place back to thepoint>>of where the fuselage would start to taper when you pull the tail posts>>together. Glue the floor in along with all the x piece gussetts. You willbe>>pleasently surprised at how strong the thing becomes when the floor is in.>>After that has dried, pull the two tail posts together and begin fillingin>>the balance of the x pieces......the floor will keep your nerves calm by>>absorbing all that x member compression.....the seat back will do this>>too.........The only devation from the stock Scout plans I made was at the>>seat back on up to the firewall. I made the fuselage two inches wider to>>accompanying my size. A stock A/C is tight....the Scout is two inches>>narrower in general and three inches narrower at the seat back. I mention>>this because with the seat back in and the floor on, pulling the fuselage>>halves together was rough enough with the short fuselage. With the same>>length but 3" wider at the seat, it was really a strain to match up the>>tailposts! Glueing in the seatback and floor made this pulling fairly easy>>but nervewracking non the less.>>Earl Myers>>>>Mike Cuy, back to you, 10-4!>>-----Original Message----->>From: bwm >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 8:32 PM>>Subject: Re: Fuselage glueing>>>>>>>Richard DeCosta wrote:>>>>>>>> I now have my 2 fuse sides upside-down in the the jig and all the>>>> various cross-pieces cut. I have been clamping them in place in>>>> preperation for glueing, and have noticed considerable strain on the>>>> wood durring this process. Should I glue the 3/16" ply floor on at the>>>> same time as the cross pieces underneath, or will it hold ok by me just>>>> glueing the cross-pieces in? I dont have the ply for the floor yet, and>>>> wont have for probably 2-3 weeks. If it's too much for just the cross>>>> pieces, Ill wait til I have the ply.>>>>>>>> Richard>>>> p.s. it finally looks like a plane! >>>> ===>>>> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly?>>Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder>>>> >>>>>>>>>Richard,>>>>>>I assembled mine by placing it upside down on the table and inserting>>>and butt-gluing the cross members in. at the time, I didnt have the>>>floor board material either. I bar-clamped it all together in the front>>>and pulled the tail post area together , held them with bar clamps and>>>let it all dry. I went ahead and made and glued up the ttriangular>>>gussetts at the tailpost (Top and Bottom). Then I carefully removed>>>(with the help of the missus and a friend) the whole fuselage. BE VERY>>>SLOW AND CAREFUL HERE!>>>>>>Turned it right side up and carefully glued in the gussetts that>>>connnect the two slab sides . Mine is a GN1 and I dont remember exactly>>>how a piet is - but mine called for three big gussetts that span from>>>side to side and are glued to the top of each longeron (locetd just>>>underneath each instrument panel and one is immediately behind the>>>firewall). They are about 6" wide by fuse width in length.>>>>>>I also temporarily made and fastened gussetts ( 2" x fuse width) AHEAD>>>of the firewall. You see I left about 4 " ahead of station zero on mine>>>for ease of handling. This was later cut away when I made my firewll.>>>>>>If this is confusing, sorry.>>>Bottom Line is yes you can remove and continue work before puttin in the>>>floor-just think ahead.>>>Good Luck - Its fun when it starts looking like an airplane. You could>>>also make it a boat I guess >>>>>>Bert>>>bwm(at)planttel.net>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: bwm
Richard; In my Humble opinion, I would glue the x pieces in place back to the pointof where the fuselage would start to taper when you pull the tail poststogether. Glue the floor in along with all the x piece gussetts. You will bepleasently surprised at how strong the thing becomes when the floor is in.After that has dried, pull the two tail posts together and begin filling inthe balance of the x pieces......the floor will keep your nerves calm byabsorbing all that x member compression.....the seat back will do thistoo.........The only devation from the stock Scout plans I made was at theseat back on up to the firewall. I made the fuselage two inches wider toaccompanying my size. A stock A/C is tight....the Scout is two inchesnarrower in general and three inches narrower at the seat back. I mentionthis because with the seat back in and the floor on, pulling the fuselagehalves together was rough enough with the short fuselage. With the samelength but 3" wider at the seat, it was really a strain to match up thetailposts! Glueing in the seatback and floor made this pulling fairly easybut nervewracking non the less.Earl MyersMike Cuy, back to you, 10-4!-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Replicraft(at)aol.com
Richard-I agree with Earl's story. I glued everything forward of the rear seat,including the seat back, before pulling the tail pieces together. One workof caution- be sure when you glue the floor in, and then when pulling thetail together, that the fuse is exactly square. I used a plumb line fromthe center of the front cross piece to the center of the tail post. I mademarks on each cross piece to be sure I was square all the way to the back.This was very helpful when mitering the tailpost pieces together.Its exciting when the tail comes together and it looks like it might fly!Al Swanson>Richard;> In my Humble opinion, I would glue the x pieces in place back to the point>of where the fuselage would start to taper when you pull the tail posts>together. Glue the floor in along with all the x piece gussetts. You will be>pleasently surprised at how strong the thing becomes when the floor is in.>After that has dried, pull the two tail posts together and begin filling in>the balance of the x pieces......the floor will keep your nerves calm by>absorbing all that x member compression.....the seat back will do this>too.........The only devation from the stock Scout plans I made was at the>seat back on up to the firewall. I made the fuselage two inches wider to>accompanying my size. A stock A/C is tight....the Scout is two inches>narrower in general and three inches narrower at the seat back. I mention>this because with the seat back in and the floor on, pulling the fuselage>halves together was rough enough with the short fuselage. With the same>length but 3" wider at the seat, it was really a strain to match up the>tailposts! Glueing in the seatback and floor made this pulling fairly easy>but nervewracking non the less.>Earl Myers>>Mike Cuy, back to you, 10-4!>-----Original Message----->From: bwm >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 8:32 PM>Subject: Re: Fuselage glueing>>>>Richard DeCosta wrote:>>>>>> I now have my 2 fuse sides upside-down in the the jig and all the>>> various cross-pieces cut. I have been clamping them in place in>>> preperation for glueing, and have noticed considerable strain on the>>> wood durring this process. Should I glue the 3/16" ply floor on at the>>> same time as the cross pieces underneath, or will it hold ok by me just>>> glueing the cross-pieces in? I dont have the ply for the floor yet, and>>> wont have for probably 2-3 weeks. If it's too much for just the cross>>> pieces, Ill wait til I have the ply.>>>>>> Richard>>> p.s. it finally looks like a plane! >>> ===>>> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly?>Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder>>> >>>>>>Richard,>>>>I assembled mine by placing it upside down on the table and inserting>>and butt-gluing the cross members in. at the time, I didnt have the>>floor board material either. I bar-clamped it all together in the front>>and pulled the tail post area together , held them with bar clamps and>>let it all dry. I went ahead and made and glued up the ttriangular>>gussetts at the tailpost (Top and Bottom). Then I carefully removed>>(with the help of the missus and a friend) the whole fuselage. BE VERY>>SLOW AND CAREFUL HERE!>>>>Turned it right side up and carefully glued in the gussetts that>>connnect the two slab sides . Mine is a GN1 and I dont remember exactly>>how a piet is - but mine called for three big gussetts that span from>>side to side and are glued to the top of each longeron (locetd just>>underneath each instrument panel and one is immediately behind the>>firewall). They are about 6" wide by fuse width in length.>>>>I also temporarily made and fastened gussetts ( 2" x fuse width) AHEAD>>of the firewall. You see I left about 4 " ahead of station zero on mine>>for ease of handling. This was later cut away when I made my firewll.>>>>If this is confusing, sorry.>>Bottom Line is yes you can remove and continue work before puttin in the>>floor-just think ahead.>>Good Luck - Its fun when it starts looking like an airplane. You could>>also make it a boat I guess >>>>Bert>>bwm(at)planttel.net>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
Richard-My methodology for assembling the fuselage is as follows-1. The side panels are placed up-side-down on a flat work-table and the front 1/2 (cocpit forward) is held in place with 1" aluminum angle (3" long) screwed into the table. I heve already glued and nailed the crossmember gussets an the upper and lower faces of the longerons.2. The plywood floor is set inplace (properly sized in width).3. The rear of the fuselage is gently brought together with a beam clamp4. The fuselage section where the gear mounts has a tendency to bow out. Use two beam clamps to bring the sides back flush with the floor panel.5. Check for square at the firewall, and adjust as needed.6.When all is correct, glue and nail the floor and firewall in place.7. Let this dry for 24 hours.8. Trim the tailpost for the 1" width, glue, gusset and nail this next.9. Cut, glue, and nail the crossmembers in place, lots of 2" "C" clamps left in place overnight helps.10, Cut, glue, and nail the diagonals in p[lace.11.When everything has dried, flip the fuselage on it's side and install the seat backs.I always make these up with the braces pre-installed, also the gear (Ash) supports in the floor, are already glued and nailed.If you have any further questions, e-mail me at Replicraft(at)aol.com.SteveYour new web site looks great!!________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Bill Talbert
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage glueing>Sam;> On my Scout, all I did was pull the two posts together AFTER the floorand>seatback were in and dried. When the two posts touched, I just eyeballedand>drew two parallel lines on the top and bottom of the posts then, using a>belt sander, removed that material so that when the posts came together the>next time, they were nearly flat when mated. Along with all of this youhave>to insure everything is plum and square....any number of methods will work.>When I glued the posts together (using T-88, it is structurally gapfilling)>I also installed the triangular wood "gussets" on the top and bottom of the>longerons that cover those posts and the cross pieces top and bottom under>those gussets. I also waited two days to make sure these new joints were>dry. The cross pieces and gussets were nailed in place AFTER the tail posts>were glued and plummed, etc., and held in place during that time with>bodacious (special clamps bought at the hardware store) "C" clamps. They>were painted red cause red clamps hold better.......I then went back thru>the aft airframe adding x pieces and gussets as required, cut to fit. You>can't believe how much pull it will take to get those posts together!!Gives>you an idea as to how strong this airframe is when done.......>earl myers>-----Original Message----->From: SAM & JAN MARINUCCI >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 12:52 PM>Subject: Re: Fuselage glueing>>>>Fellow Builders.......One huge question I have is how do you get the exact>>taper at the tailpost so that it matches properly when pulled together for>>gluing? I've been mulling over this for some time now , any suggestions>>would really be appreciated.>>-----Original Message----->>From: Alan Swanson >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 1:25 AM>>Subject: Re: Fuselage glueing>>>>>>>Richard->>>I agree with Earl's story. I glued everything forward of the rear seat,>>>including the seat back, before pulling the tail pieces together. One>work>>>of caution- be sure when you glue the floor in, and then when pulling the>>>tail together, that the fuse is exactly square. I used a plumb line from>>>the center of the front cross piece to the center of the tail post. I>made>>>marks on each cross piece to be sure I was square all the way to theback.>>>This was very helpful when mitering the tailpost pieces together.>>>>>>Its exciting when the tail comes together and it looks like it might fly!>>>>>>Al Swanson>>>>>>>>>>Richard;>>>> In my Humble opinion, I would glue the x pieces in place back to the>>point>>>>of where the fuselage would start to taper when you pull the tail posts>>>>together. Glue the floor in along with all the x piece gussetts. Youwill>>be>>>>pleasently surprised at how strong the thing becomes when the floor is>in.>>>>After that has dried, pull the two tail posts together and begin filling>>in>>>>the balance of the x pieces......the floor will keep your nerves calm by>>>>absorbing all that x member compression.....the seat back will do this>>>>too.........The only devation from the stock Scout plans I made was at>the>>>>seat back on up to the firewall. I made the fuselage two inches wider to>>>>accompanying my size. A stock A/C is tight....the Scout is two inches>>>>narrower in general and three inches narrower at the seat back. Imention>>>>this because with the seat back in and the floor on, pulling thefuselage>>>>halves together was rough enough with the short fuselage. With the same>>>>length but 3" wider at the seat, it was really a strain to match up the>>>>tailposts! Glueing in the seatback and floor made this pulling fairly>easy>>>>but nervewracking non the less.>>>>Earl Myers>>>>>>>>Mike Cuy, back to you, 10-4!>>>>-----Original Message----->>>>From: bwm >>>>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>>>Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 8:32 PM>>>>Subject: Re: Fuselage glueing>>>>>>>>>>>>>Richard DeCosta wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>> I now have my 2 fuse sides upside-down in the the jig and all the>>>>>> various cross-pieces cut. I have been clamping them in place in>>>>>> preperation for glueing, and have noticed considerable strain on the>>>>>> wood durring this process. Should I glue the 3/16" ply floor on atthe>>>>>> same time as the cross pieces underneath, or will it hold ok by me>just>>>>>> glueing the cross-pieces in? I dont have the ply for the floor yet,>and>>>>>> wont have for probably 2-3 weeks. If it's too much for just the cross>>>>>> pieces, Ill wait til I have the ply.>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard>>>>>> p.s. it finally looks like a plane! >>>>>> ===>>>>>> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly?>>>>Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - JimTavenner>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Richard,>>>>>>>>>>I assembled mine by placing it upside down on the table and inserting>>>>>and butt-gluing the cross members in. at the time, I didnt have the>>>>>floor board material either. I bar-clamped it all together in thefront>>>>>and pulled the tail post area together , held them with bar clamps and>>>>>let it all dry. I went ahead and made and glued up the ttriangular>>>>>gussetts at the tailpost (Top and Bottom). Then I carefully removed>>>>>(with the help of the missus and a friend) the whole fuselage. BE VERY>>>>>SLOW AND CAREFUL HERE!>>>>>>>>>>Turned it right side up and carefully glued in the gussetts that>>>>>connnect the two slab sides . Mine is a GN1 and I dont rememberexactly>>>>>how a piet is - but mine called for three big gussetts that span from>>>>>side to side and are glued to the top of each longeron (locetd just>>>>>underneath each instrument panel and one is immediately behind the>>>>>firewall). They are about 6" wide by fuse width in length.>>>>>>>>>>I also temporarily made and fastened gussetts ( 2" x fuse width) AHEAD>>>>>of the firewall. You see I left about 4 " ahead of station zero onmine>>>>>for ease of handling. This was later cut away when I made my firewll.>>>>>>>>>>If this is confusing, sorry.>>>>>Bottom Line is yes you can remove and continue work before puttin inthe>>>>>floor-just think ahead.>>>>>Good Luck - Its fun when it starts looking like an airplane. You could>>>>>also make it a boat I guess >>>>>>>>>>Bert>>>>>bwm(at)planttel.net>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: dannymac
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage glueing>Earl>where I'm fitting and gluing the longerons and cross pieces in (on thefirst>side) but I like to work out all the forseeable problems before starting.It>looks like the belt sander will do the job nicely.>-----Original Message----->From: Earl Myers >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 2:15 PM>Subject: Re: Fuselage glueing>>>>Sam;>> On my Scout, all I did was pull the two posts together AFTER the floor>and>>seatback were in and dried. When the two posts touched, I just eyeballed>and>>drew two parallel lines on the top and bottom of the posts then, using a>>belt sander, removed that material so that when the posts came togetherthe>>next time, they were nearly flat when mated. Along with all of this you>have>>to insure everything is plum and square....any number of methods willwork.>>When I glued the posts together (using T-88, it is structurally gap>filling)>>I also installed the triangular wood "gussets" on the top and bottom ofthe>>longerons that cover those posts and the cross pieces top and bottom under>>those gussets. I also waited two days to make sure these new joints were>>dry. The cross pieces and gussets were nailed in place AFTER the tailposts>>were glued and plummed, etc., and held in place during that time with>>bodacious (special clamps bought at the hardware store) "C" clamps. They>>were painted red cause red clamps hold better.......I then went back thru>>the aft airframe adding x pieces and gussets as required, cut to fit. You>>can't believe how much pull it will take to get those posts together!!>Gives>>you an idea as to how strong this airframe is when done.......>>earl myers>>-----Original Message----->>From: SAM & JAN MARINUCCI >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 12:52 PM>>Subject: Re: Fuselage glueing>>>>>>>Fellow Builders.......One huge question I have is how do you get theexact>>>taper at the tailpost so that it matches properly when pulled togetherfor>>>gluing? I've been mulling over this for some time now , any suggestions>>>would really be appreciated.>>>-----Original Message----->>>From: Alan Swanson >>>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>>Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 1:25 AM>>>Subject: Re: Fuselage glueing>>>>>>>>>>Richard->>>>I agree with Earl's story. I glued everything forward of the rear seat,>>>>including the seat back, before pulling the tail pieces together. One>>work>>>>of caution- be sure when you glue the floor in, and then when pullingthe>>>>tail together, that the fuse is exactly square. I used a plumb linefrom>>>>the center of the front cross piece to the center of the tail post. I>>made>>>>marks on each cross piece to be sure I was square all the way to the>back.>>>>This was very helpful when mitering the tailpost pieces together.>>>>>>>>Its exciting when the tail comes together and it looks like it mightfly!>>>>>>>>Al Swanson>>>>>>>>>>>>>Richard;>>>>> In my Humble opinion, I would glue the x pieces in place back to the>>>point>>>>>of where the fuselage would start to taper when you pull the tail posts>>>>>together. Glue the floor in along with all the x piece gussetts. You>will>>>be>>>>>pleasently surprised at how strong the thing becomes when the floor is>>in.>>>>>After that has dried, pull the two tail posts together and beginfilling>>>in>>>>>the balance of the x pieces......the floor will keep your nerves calmby>>>>>absorbing all that x member compression.....the seat back will do this>>>>>too.........The only devation from the stock Scout plans I made was at>>the>>>>>seat back on up to the firewall. I made the fuselage two inches widerto>>>>>accompanying my size. A stock A/C is tight....the Scout is two inches>>>>>narrower in general and three inches narrower at the seat back. I>mention>>>>>this because with the seat back in and the floor on, pulling the>fuselage>>>>>halves together was rough enough with the short fuselage. With the same>>>>>length but 3" wider at the seat, it was really a strain to match up the>>>>>tailposts! Glueing in the seatback and floor made this pulling fairly>>easy>>>>>but nervewracking non the less.>>>>>Earl Myers>>>>>>>>>>Mike Cuy, back to you, 10-4!>>>>>-----Original Message----->>>>>From: bwm >>>>>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>>>>Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 8:32 PM>>>>>Subject: Re: Fuselage glueing>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Richard DeCosta wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I now have my 2 fuse sides upside-down in the the jig and all the>>>>>>> various cross-pieces cut. I have been clamping them in place in>>>>>>> preperation for glueing, and have noticed considerable strain on the>>>>>>> wood durring this process. Should I glue the 3/16" ply floor on at>the>>>>>>> same time as the cross pieces underneath, or will it hold ok by me>>just>>>>>>> glueing the cross-pieces in? I dont have the ply for the floor yet,>>and>>>>>>> wont have for probably 2-3 weeks. If it's too much for just thecross>>>>>>> pieces, Ill wait til I have the ply.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard>>>>>>> p.s. it finally looks like a plane! >>>>>>> ===>>>>>>> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe tofly?>>>>>Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim>Tavenner>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>> Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Richard,>>>>>>>>>>>>I assembled mine by placing it upside down on the table and inserting>>>>>>and butt-gluing the cross members in. at the time, I didnt have the>>>>>>floor board material either. I bar-clamped it all together in the>front>>>>>>and pulled the tail post area together , held them with bar clamps and>>>>>>let it all dry. I went ahead and made and glued up the ttriangular>>>>>>gussetts at the tailpost (Top and Bottom). Then I carefully removed>>>>>>(with the help of the missus and a friend) the whole fuselage. BEVERY>>>>>>SLOW AND CAREFUL HERE!>>>>>>>>>>>>Turned it right side up and carefully glued in the gussetts that>>>>>>connnect the two slab sides . Mine is a GN1 and I dont remember>exactly>>>>>>how a piet is - but mine called for three big gussetts that span from>>>>>>side to side and are glued to the top of each longeron (locetd just>>>>>>underneath each instrument panel and one is immediately behind the>>>>>>firewall). They are about 6" wide by fuse width in length.>>>>>>>>>>>>I also temporarily made and fastened gussetts ( 2" x fuse width) AHEAD>>>>>>of the firewall. You see I left about 4 " ahead of station zero on>mine>>>>>>for ease of handling. This was later cut away when I made my firewll.>>>>>>>>>>>>If this is confusing, sorry.>>>>>>Bottom Line is yes you can remove and continue work before puttin in>the>>>>>>floor-just think ahead.>>>>>>Good Luck - Its fun when it starts looking like an airplane. Youcould>>>>>>also make it a boat I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>Bert>>>>>>bwm(at)planttel.net>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage glueing>Fellow Builders.......One huge question I have is how do you get the exact>taper at the tailpost so that it matches properly when pulled together for>gluing? I've been mulling over this for some time now , any suggestions>would really be appreciated.>-----Original Message----->From: Alan Swanson >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 1:25 AM>Subject: Re: Fuselage glueing>>>>Richard->>I agree with Earl's story. I glued everything forward of the rear seat,>>including the seat back, before pulling the tail pieces together. Onework>>of caution- be sure when you glue the floor in, and then when pulling the>>tail together, that the fuse is exactly square. I used a plumb line from>>the center of the front cross piece to the center of the tail post. Imade>>marks on each cross piece to be sure I was square all the way to the back.>>This was very helpful when mitering the tailpost pieces together.>>>>Its exciting when the tail comes together and it looks like it might fly!>>>>Al Swanson>>>>>>>Richard;>>> In my Humble opinion, I would glue the x pieces in place back to the>point>>>of where the fuselage would start to taper when you pull the tail posts>>>together. Glue the floor in along with all the x piece gussetts. You will>be>>>pleasently surprised at how strong the thing becomes when the floor isin.>>>After that has dried, pull the two tail posts together and begin filling>in>>>the balance of the x pieces......the floor will keep your nerves calm by>>>absorbing all that x member compression.....the seat back will do this>>>too.........The only devation from the stock Scout plans I made was atthe>>>seat back on up to the firewall. I made the fuselage two inches wider to>>>accompanying my size. A stock A/C is tight....the Scout is two inches>>>narrower in general and three inches narrower at the seat back. I mention>>>this because with the seat back in and the floor on, pulling the fuselage>>>halves together was rough enough with the short fuselage. With the same>>>length but 3" wider at the seat, it was really a strain to match up the>>>tailposts! Glueing in the seatback and floor made this pulling fairlyeasy>>>but nervewracking non the less.>>>Earl Myers>>>>>>Mike Cuy, back to you, 10-4!>>>-----Original Message----->>>From: bwm >>>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>>Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 8:32 PM>>>Subject: Re: Fuselage glueing>>>>>>>>>>Richard DeCosta wrote:>>>>>>>>>> I now have my 2 fuse sides upside-down in the the jig and all the>>>>> various cross-pieces cut. I have been clamping them in place in>>>>> preperation for glueing, and have noticed considerable strain on the>>>>> wood durring this process. Should I glue the 3/16" ply floor on at the>>>>> same time as the cross pieces underneath, or will it hold ok by mejust>>>>> glueing the cross-pieces in? I dont have the ply for the floor yet,and>>>>> wont have for probably 2-3 weeks. If it's too much for just the cross>>>>> pieces, Ill wait til I have the ply.>>>>>>>>>> Richard>>>>> p.s. it finally looks like a plane! >>>>> ===>>>>> "Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly?>>>Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Richard,>>>>>>>>I assembled mine by placing it upside down on the table and inserting>>>>and butt-gluing the cross members in. at the time, I didnt have the>>>>floor board material either. I bar-clamped it all together in the front>>>>and pulled the tail post area together , held them with bar clamps and>>>>let it all dry. I went ahead and made and glued up the ttriangular>>>>gussetts at the tailpost (Top and Bottom). Then I carefully removed>>>>(with the help of the missus and a friend) the whole fuselage. BE VERY>>>>SLOW AND CAREFUL HERE!>>>>>>>>Turned it right side up and carefully glued in the gussetts that>>>>connnect the two slab sides . Mine is a GN1 and I dont remember exactly>>>>how a piet is - but mine called for three big gussetts that span from>>>>side to side and are glued to the top of each longeron (locetd just>>>>underneath each instrument panel and one is immediately behind the>>>>firewall). They are about 6" wide by fuse width in length.>>>>>>>>I also temporarily made and fastened gussetts ( 2" x fuse width) AHEAD>>>>of the firewall. You see I left about 4 " ahead of station zero on mine>>>>for ease of handling. This was later cut away when I made my firewll.>>>>>>>>If this is confusing, sorry.>>>>Bottom Line is yes you can remove and continue work before puttin in the>>>>floor-just think ahead.>>>>Good Luck - Its fun when it starts looking like an airplane. You could>>>>also make it a boat I guess >>>>>>>>Bert>>>>bwm(at)planttel.net>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Alan Swanson
Fellow Builders.......One huge question I have is how do you get the exacttaper at the tailpost so that it matches properly when pulled together forgluing? I've been mulling over this for some time now , any suggestionswould really be appreciated.-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: SAM & JAN MARINUCCI
Sam; On my Scout, all I did was pull the two posts together AFTER the floor andseatback were in and dried. When the two posts touched, I just eyeballed anddrew two parallel lines on the top and bottom of the posts then, using abelt sander, removed that material so that when the posts came together thenext time, they were nearly flat when mated. Along with all of this you haveto insure everything is plum and square....any number of methods will work.When I glued the posts together (using T-88, it is structurally gap filling)I also installed the triangular wood "gussets" on the top and bottom of thelongerons that cover those posts and the cross pieces top and bottom underthose gussets. I also waited two days to make sure these new joints weredry. The cross pieces and gussets were nailed in place AFTER the tail postswere glued and plummed, etc., and held in place during that time withbodacious (special clamps bought at the hardware store) "C" clamps. Theywere painted red cause red clamps hold better.......I then went back thruthe aft airframe adding x pieces and gussets as required, cut to fit. Youcan't believe how much pull it will take to get those posts together!! Givesyou an idea as to how strong this airframe is when done.......earl myers-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Earlwhere I'm fitting and gluing the longerons and cross pieces in (on the firstside) but I like to work out all the forseeable problems before starting. Itlooks like the belt sander will do the job nicely.-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: SAM & JAN MARINUCCI
Sam; I did forget to mention that without the x pieces in place ahead of theseatback, the fuse will wanna bow out as the one fella pointed out. Isuggest putting in ALL the parts ahead of the seatback to prevent thismeaning all the x pieces and, of course, the sides allready in.Earl Myers-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Chad Johnson
>Fellow Builders.......One huge question I have is how do you get the >exact>taper at the tailpost so that it matches properly when pulled together >for>gluing? What I did was to set the fuselage on my table jigged in position,brought the tails together and used a belt sander to remove material alittle at a time until it fit. Were I to build another fuselage I would leave the tail post pieceand the rear most diagonals off when building the sides, position andtrim the top and bottom longerons and cut one tailpost piece to fit, glueit in place and then add the last diagonals and plywood gussets. I feelthat would be much easier. I used L-shaped angles two feet tall, screwed to the table withdrywall screws to hold the fuselage in position while doing all this.Tom __________________________________________________________________________________________