Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: John Greenlee
Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine choice>Dear Piet freaks:>>I'm wondering, what is the performance increase by going to a Corvair or>say O-200 over the traditional Ford A engine? Does the Piet fly faster, or>carry more load, or what? The Ford-powered planes just look so wonderfully>OLD, that is the way I'm leaning.>>It seems like it is pretty easy to get 50 or 55hp out of the Ford, does>this help noticably over a stock engine?>>Thanks>>Eric>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Eric Norris
Dear Piet freaks:I'm wondering, what is the performance increase by going to a Corvair orsay O-200 over the traditional Ford A engine? Does the Piet fly faster, orcarry more load, or what? The Ford-powered planes just look so wonderfullyOLD, that is the way I'm leaning. It seems like it is pretty easy to get 50 or 55hp out of the Ford, doesthis help noticably over a stock engine?ThanksEric________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:>> Eric Norris
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine choice>I have chosen the Ford instalation and keep reminding myself that if I>ever wanted a fantastic climb rate, I simply would not build a Piet,>I'd build a Glassair or a Pitts or something.>>All depends on what you want to do with your plane, I guess. I just>want one to putt around the countryside in, not win medals or break>records. >>Richard>>>--- John Greenlee wrote:>> The model A Piets I have ridden in do not have any great excess of>> power.>> They fly fine but do not climb at any steep angle, just sort of>> "levitate".>>>> The Corvair in the Piet installation is, I bet, somewhere in the>> range of a>> 65 Cont. It turns faster, and sure sounds good, and has plenty of>> power.>>>> I've ridden in an O-200 ship - Brusilow's - and it is noticeably much>> stronger. However, the pilot with which I was hopping gets a>> nosebleed when>> he gets much above tree level. Can't say how fast it really>> climbs.>>>> IMHO anything more than about 65hp is more than is necessary though>> every>> increase in power increases the climb rate. A mildly modified Ford>> provides>> adequate power to fly two people. Just remember to evaluate it in>> its own>> realm and don't expect O-200 performance.>>>> John>>>>>> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Eric Norris
The model A Piets I have ridden in do not have any great excess of power.They fly fine but do not climb at any steep angle, just sort of "levitate".The Corvair in the Piet installation is, I bet, somewhere in the range of a65 Cont. It turns faster, and sure sounds good, and has plenty of power.I've ridden in an O-200 ship - Brusilow's - and it is noticeably muchstronger. However, the pilot with which I was hopping gets a nosebleed whenhe gets much above tree level. Can't say how fast it really climbs.IMHO anything more than about 65hp is more than is necessary though everyincrease in power increases the climb rate. A mildly modified Ford providesadequate power to fly two people. Just remember to evaluate it in its ownrealm and don't expect O-200 performance.John-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By:> Eric Norris
I have chosen the Ford instalation and keep reminding myself that if Iever wanted a fantastic climb rate, I simply would not build a Piet,I'd build a Glassair or a Pitts or something.All depends on what you want to do with your plane, I guess. I justwant one to putt around the countryside in, not win medals or breakrecords. :)Richard--- John Greenlee wrote:> The model A Piets I have ridden in do not have any great excess of> power.> They fly fine but do not climb at any steep angle, just sort of> "levitate".> > The Corvair in the Piet installation is, I bet, somewhere in the> range of a> 65 Cont. It turns faster, and sure sounds good, and has plenty of> power.> > I've ridden in an O-200 ship - Brusilow's - and it is noticeably much> stronger. However, the pilot with which I was hopping gets a> nosebleed when> he gets much above tree level. Can't say how fast it really> climbs.> > IMHO anything more than about 65hp is more than is necessary though> every> increase in power increases the climb rate. A mildly modified Ford> provides> adequate power to fly two people. Just remember to evaluate it in> its own> realm and don't expect O-200 performance.> > John> > > -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Excellent thought!-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine choice> > Got a situation here, read on the UK site , 65 continental may be under poweredfor a Piet,seems they advise 85 or 0-200. Any thoughts? Corvair ?> > --------> A remarkable lad , capable of many things> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 663#394663> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "proplock"
Michael,Very cool, very clean look for your axle cap. One question though- what are youdoing in place of safety wiring the hex nut? What are you doing to keep it from"backing out"? Just curious.Did you mill the cap your self?P.S. Oops. That makes 2 questions.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine choice

Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Got a situation here, read on the UK site , 65 continental may be under poweredfor a Piet,seems they advise 85 or 0-200. Any thoughts? Corvair ?--------A remarkable lad , capable of many thingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: woodflier
Keep it light. 502Rocket is not underpowered with an A-65. It performs a bit better than my Cub with an A-75.John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Feb 20, 2013, at 9:53 AM, proplock wrote:> > Got a situation here, read on the UK site , 65 continental may be under powered for a Piet,seems they advise 85 or 0-200. Any thoughts? Corvair ?> > --------> A remarkable lad , capable of many things> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 663#394663> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seatbelts

Original Posted By: Ohbejoyful
Joseph, there are many varying views on shoulder harness location and attachment points. Look at as many variations as you can and decide what works for you. I oped to go with raising the attach point above the turtledeck so that the harness would not pull down on my shoulders in the event of a sudden stop. I built a steel tube frame that attaches to the top longerons that the harness attaches to, and ran 1/8" cables from the tailwheel attach plate to the aft end of that frame to take the load. That additional structure is covered by a simple aluminum fairing and the whole setup is supposed to resemble the headrests seen on WWI fighters. Here are some pics:Matt PaxtonNX629ML***********************

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: engine choiceI agree with John H. that a 65 Continental engine is plenty of power for a lightly-built Pietenpol Air Camper. If you'rein a very high/hot location then that may not be the case and you may need more power like the Rick Holland's andKen Bickers of Colorado.If you plan to build a full electric Pietenpol or a GN-1 with lots of goodies and extra weight you probably will want to consider more powerlike a 75, or up Continental powered engine. (or auto engine of your choice). (and a metal prop or a good wood Cloudcars prop that lotsof guys are getting good performance out of on Piets)Mike C.Ohio________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: proplock
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine choiceI have heard that the C90 is considered by many to be the best of the breed.Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Adolfo Pando
> Subject: engine choice> > > >Dear Piet freaks:> >> >I'm wondering, what is the performance increase by going to a> Corvair or> >say O-200 over the traditional Ford A engine? Does the Piet fly> faster, or> >carry more load, or what? The Ford-powered planes just look so> wonderfully> >OLD, that is the way I'm leaning.> >> >It seems like it is pretty easy to get 50 or 55hp out of the Ford,> does> >this help noticably over a stock engine?> >> >Thanks> >> >Eric> >> >> >> >> > ==="Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just howin the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner---------------------------------------------------------Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!---------------------------------------------------------My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder_____ ... __________

Original Posted By: FordPiet(at)aol.com
>> Subject: engine choice>>>>>> >Dear Piet freaks:>> >>> >I'm wondering, what is the performance increase by going to a>> Corvair or>> >say O-200 over the traditional Ford A engine? Does the Piet fly>> faster, or>> >carry more load, or what? The Ford-powered planes just look so>> wonderfully>> >OLD, that is the way I'm leaning.>> >>> >It seems like it is pretty easy to get 50 or 55hp out of the Ford,>> does>> >this help noticably over a stock engine?>> >>> >Thanks>> >>> >Eric>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>===>"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Justhow in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tavenner>--------------------------------------------------------->Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!>--------------------------------------------------------->My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder>>___ ... __________