Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Adolfo Pando
Subject: Pietenpol-List: England>I am actually building a Jenny, but I really sympathise with piets and>would surely like to get a bit more involved.>I wonder if you can help me find the piet fans in England, where I>moved to from Argentina. Any information about shipping companies to>move my bird would also be more than welcome. Thanks.>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: John Greenlee
I am actually building a Jenny, but I really sympathise with piets andwould surely like to get a bit more involved.I wonder if you can help me find the piet fans in England, where Imoved to from Argentina. Any information about shipping companies tomove my bird would also be more than welcome. Thanks.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Where did you find Jenny plans? --- Adolfo Pando wrote:> I am actually building a Jenny, but I really> sympathise with piets and> would surely like to get a bit more involved.> I wonder if you can help me find the piet fans in> England, where I> moved to from Argentina. Any information about> shipping companies to> move my bird would also be more than welcome.> Thanks.> >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at> http://mail.yahoo.com> > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Adolfo Pando
I have some sources for Jenny plans....most helpfull (as usual) were theCanadians!I originally had all the microfilm available on Jennies but donated all ofit to Cole Palen when his house burned down. He did use some of it to redohis JN6 radiator......Adolfo, where did you get your Jenny info???? I hadstarted one (Canuck version) with a Chevy 350 engine but started working 7days a week so it waits..........-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Adolfo Pando
I bought them from Early Bird Aircraft, a company in Colorado. Theyaren't actual full size plans but 3/4 -late's say it is a dummy flyingJenny. If you're interested in getting more info, go to LEAF (LeadingEdge Airfoils). They sell the kit and I reckon that also the plans. Igot them for $100.-.--- David Swagler wrote:> Where did you find Jenny plans? > > --- Adolfo Pando wrote:> > I am actually building a Jenny, but I really> > sympathise with piets and> > would surely like to get a bit more involved.> > I wonder if you can help me find the piet fans in> > England, where I> > moved to from Argentina. Any information about> > shipping companies to> > move my bird would also be more than welcome.> > Thanks.> > > >> > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at> > http://mail.yahoo.com> > > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at> http://mail.yahoo.com> > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Adolfo Pando
I bought them from Early Bird Aircraft, a company in Colorado. Theyaren't actual full size plans but 3/4 -late's say it is a dummy flyingJenny. If you're interested in getting more info, go to LEAF (LeadingEdge Airfoils). They sell the kit and I reckon that also the plans. Igot them for $100.-.--- David Swagler wrote:> Where did you find Jenny plans? > > --- Adolfo Pando wrote:> > I am actually building a Jenny, but I really> > sympathise with piets and> > would surely like to get a bit more involved.> > I wonder if you can help me find the piet fans in> > England, where I> > moved to from Argentina. Any information about> > shipping companies to> > move my bird would also be more than welcome.> > Thanks.> > > >> > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at> > http://mail.yahoo.com> > > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at> http://mail.yahoo.com> > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:> Adolfo Pando
Well, I bought my plans from Early Bird Co., in Colorado. They areexcellent CAD drawings you can get for $100.-. Alternatively, you candirect your steps to LEAF. They sel the kit there and suppose the planstoo, but I am not sure.For the time being, I am trying to find somewhere to complete my bird,as I am just arrived in the UK (and still have to ship my plane here).It is almost complete (only have to do the final assembly andcovering), so I am really looking forward to it.--- Earl Myers wrote:> I have some sources for Jenny plans....most helpfull> (as usual) were the> Canadians!> I originally had all the microfilm available on> Jennies but donated all of> it to Cole Palen when his house burned down. He did> use some of it to redo> his JN6 radiator......Adolfo, where did you get your> Jenny info???? I had> started one (Canuck version) with a Chevy 350 engine> but started working 7> days a week so it waits..........> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Interesting,I have had this concept floating in the back of my mind for some time -- Aproject of an early biplane with a 350 Chev direct drive in place of anOX-5. If you could get 110-120 hp out of the Chev it would be a large powerincrease over the OX-5, be cheap, and have the right thrust-line,sillouette, etc. I wonder how the weight would compare?Just lug the engine with a huge prop to keep the revs down, and use acamshaft for lotsa torque at lower rpms....What is/was your plan?John-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: John Greenlee
John; A Chevy 350 UNMODIFIED except for low tork cam (Marine or truck) but ithas to have a two to one PSRU to work right. By this I mean the takeoff rpmwould be 1800 at the prop and 3600 in the engine. That is about where thetork is best, more or less. Cruise is about 1400 prop and 2800 engine orabout where it would be going down the highway at 65 mph in a vehicle. Thatrpm is kinda where they are designed to run forever on. There are numerousPSRU out now with several ratios. The direct drive 350's are used on thehigher speed plastic go-fasts out at 250 mph or so and turn at 4400-5500rpm. TBO is low on them BUT, a NEW engine is "only" 1100 to 2200 bucksAmerican depending long block/short block. The quality on these engines is"exceptional" I'm told. I have collected quite a bit of data, info, etc., toinclude web sites. Contact me directly off this chat line for more info. Ihave two blocks here to use as mock-ups but don't have the time due to mywork schedule at G.E.........Earl Myers-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: DXLViolins(at)aol.com
Adolfo,Welcome to England! I have yet to start my Piet... too many house and workshop moves this year.... not to mention my forthcoming wedding! I am in Norfolk, and know quite a few in the vintage aircraft business, do feel free to contact me if you need addresses etc, as my pals do ship planes in from abroad on occasion. No promises of success, but I'll try and find out useful info for you.Dominic Excell________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: robert hensarling
DominicThanks for the welcome. I am just married as well... THAT=B4S A BAD M=OVE!Anyway, it'd be great to listen about your mates who are into thisshipping business, in order to clarify the panorama.Please tell me more about this and about your project. It all soundmost like me.Regards,Adolfo Pando.--- DXLViolins(at)aol.com wrote:> Adolfo,>> Welcome to England! I have yet to start my Piet...> too many house and> workshop moves this year.... not to mention my> forthcoming wedding! I am in> Norfolk, and know quite a few in the vintage> aircraft business, do feel free> to contact me if you need addresses etc, as my pals> do ship planes in from> abroad on occasion. No promises of success, but> I'll try and find out useful> info for you.>> Dominic Excell>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Ah, don't listen to him Dominic. Not only am I happily married, but mywife has done all the fabric work on the plane so far. We both took thefabricing course from AFS in Montana in March. Renee took to it like aduck to water and has so far covered all the tail feathers. The neat thingis that we are working together on the plane without actually "workingtogether". What i mean is that she is working in what we've designated the"clean room" while I finish off the airframe in the garage. That way, wedon't get in each other's way. I've also set up the clean room with a TV,complete with cable, good lighting, comfortable drafting style chair, andanything else Renee has suggest so that she enjoys working there. I loveit. THe airplane is suddenly "ours", not "mine". This is actually a goodarea to involve other members of the family with you project. It's fun andnot particularly demanding.KenOn Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Adolfo Pando wrote:> Dominic>> Thanks for the welcome. I am just married as well... THAT=B4S A BAD MOVE!> Anyway, it'd be great to listen about your mates who are into this> shipping business, in order to clarify the panorama.> Please tell me more about this and about your project. It all sound> most like me.> Regards,>> Adolfo Pando.>> --- DXLViolins(at)aol.com wrote:> > Adolfo,> >> > Welcome to England! I have yet to start my Piet...> > too many house and> > workshop moves this year.... not to mention my> > forthcoming wedding! I am in> > Norfolk, and know quite a few in the vintage> > aircraft business, do feel free> > to contact me if you need addresses etc, as my pals> > do ship planes in from> > abroad on occasion. No promises of success, but> > I'll try and find out useful> > info for you.> >> > Dominic Excell> >>> >>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: John Greenlee
I'm hoping I can get my wife into the project as well, doing prettymuch the same thing. She is great with a needle (runs in her family).And, reaching for the credit card (which is in my wife's name) is muc=heasier when it's OUR plane WE are buying material for! :)Richard--- Ken Beanlands wrote:> Ah, don't listen to him Dominic. Not only am I happily married, but> my> wife has done all the fabric work on the plane so far. We both took> the> fabricing course from AFS in Montana in March. Renee took to it lik=e> a> duck to water and has so far covered all the tail feathers. The nea=t> thing> is that we are working together on the plane without actually> "working> together". What i mean is that she is working in what we've> designated the> "clean room" while I finish off the airframe in the garage. That wa=y,> we> don't get in each other's way. I've also set up the clean room with= a> TV,> complete with cable, good lighting, comfortable drafting style chai=r,> and> anything else Renee has suggest so that she enjoys working there. I> love> it. THe airplane is suddenly "ours", not "mine". This is actually a> good> area to involve other members of the family with you project. It's> fun and> not particularly demanding.>> Ken>> On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Adolfo Pando wrote:>> > Dominic> >> > Thanks for the welcome. I am just married as well... THAT=B4S A B=AD> MOVE!> > Anyway, it'd be great to listen about your mates who are into thi=s> > shipping business, in order to clarify the panorama.> > Please tell me more about this and about your project. It all sou=nd> > most like me.> > Regards,> >> > Adolfo Pando.> >> > --- DXLViolins(at)aol.com wrote:> > > Adolfo,> > >> > > Welcome to England! I have yet to start my Piet...> > > too many house and> > > workshop moves this year.... not to mention my> > > forthcoming wedding! I am in> > > Norfolk, and know quite a few in the vintage> > > aircraft business, do feel free> > > to contact me if you need addresses etc, as my pals> > > do ship planes in from> > > abroad on occasion. No promises of success, but> > > I'll try and find out useful> > > info for you.> > >> > > Dominic Excell> > >> >> > > >> >>**>> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your ey=es> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always b=e.**>>"Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly?= Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?" - Jim Tav=enner---------------------------------------------------------Visit www.AirCamper.org - A Low 'n Slow Online Community!---------------------------------------------------------My homepage: http://www.AirCamper.org/w3builder_____ ... __________

Original Posted By: DXLViolins(at)aol.com
Ken,What would you take in trade for that woman?John-----Original Message-----=46rom: Ken Beanlands Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 9:49 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: England>Ah, don't listen to him Dominic. Not only am I happily married, butmy>wife has done all the fabric work on the plane so far. We both tookthe>fabricing course from AFS in Montana in March. Renee took to it like= a>duck to water and has so far covered all the tail feathers. The neat= thing>is that we are working together on the plane without actually "worki=ng>together". What i mean is that she is working in what we've designat=ed the>"clean room" while I finish off the airframe in the garage. That way=, we>don't get in each other's way. I've also set up the clean room witha TV,>complete with cable, good lighting, comfortable drafting style chair=, and>anything else Renee has suggest so that she enjoys working there. Ilove>it. THe airplane is suddenly "ours", not "mine". This is actually agood>area to involve other members of the family with you project. It's f=un and>not particularly demanding.>>Ken>>On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Adolfo Pando wrote:>>> Dominic>>>> Thanks for the welcome. I am just married as well... THAT=B4S A BA=D MOVE!>> Anyway, it'd be great to listen about your mates who are into this>> shipping business, in order to clarify the panorama.>> Please tell me more about this and about your project. It all soun=d>> most like me.>> Regards,>>>> Adolfo Pando.>>>> --- DXLViolins(at)aol.com wrote:>> > Adolfo,>> >>> > Welcome to England! I have yet to start my Piet...>> > too many house and>> > workshop moves this year.... not to mention my>> > forthcoming wedding! I am in>> > Norfolk, and know quite a few in the vintage>> > aircraft business, do feel free>> > to contact me if you need addresses etc, as my pals>> > do ship planes in from>> > abroad on occasion. No promises of success, but>> > I'll try and find out useful>> > info for you.>> >>> > Dominic Excell>> >>>>> >>>>>*>=>When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your eye=s.*>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Dear Ken,My fingers are firmly wedged in my ears! This Piet is to be our joint project too!Dom________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: DXLViolins(at)aol.com
Nice to see there is another Domenic in the group. Shouldn't that be...Domenic?I'm hoping to make to to England next summer to visit all the museums...aircraft that is.Regards,Domenic Bellissimo/ Toronto,Canada ----------________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Earl Myers
I've got two Model 'A' blocks from combines I'll trade you for your wife.Mine thinks the only airplanes are the commerical Jets that take you toFlorida or Las Vegas and thats it.In her defense though, she is going to Osh' with me this year.... Maybethere's hope for a convert there...GY-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By:> Earl Myers
Sorry, she's a keeper.KenOn Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Greg Yotz wrote:> I've got two Model 'A' blocks from combines I'll trade you for your wife.> Mine thinks the only airplanes are the commerical Jets that take you to> Florida or Las Vegas and thats it.> > In her defense though, she is going to Osh' with me this year.... Maybe> there's hope for a convert there...> > GY> > > > -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Adolfo Pando
No Domenic, Surely you should be DomInic??? Make sure you visit the Imperial War Museum at Duxford, Cambs. There is a new gallery of US aircraft. By the way, I rebuilt the wings for the Stearman hanging in there. Also visit Eastern Stearman at Swanton Morley, Norfolk. That is where the Stearman was rebuilt for the museum, there are usually 3 or 4 in various stages of reconstruction, plus 3 or 4 hangared there, in flying condition.Dominic________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: baileys(at)ktis.net (Robert M. Bailey)
DomInic(you see?) Sorry about the misprint.I surely will visit all of that. As a matter of fact, I am inColindale, just a few minutes walk from the RAF museum. That one issuperb, too.Adolfo.--- DXLViolins(at)aol.com wrote:> No Domenic, > > Surely you should be DomInic??? > Make sure you visit the Imperial War Museum at> Duxford, Cambs. There is a > new gallery of US aircraft. By the way, I rebuilt> the wings for the Stearman > hanging in there. Also visit Eastern Stearman at> Swanton Morley, Norfolk. > That is where the Stearman was rebuilt for the> museum, there are usually 3 or > 4 in various stages of reconstruction, plus 3 or 4> hangared there, in flying > condition.> > Dominic> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Adolfo Pando
DomInic(you see?) Sorry about the misprint.I surely will visit all of that. As a matter of fact, I am inColindale, just a few minutes walk from the RAF museum. That one issuperb, too.Adolfo.--- DXLViolins(at)aol.com wrote:> No Domenic, > > Surely you should be DomInic??? > Make sure you visit the Imperial War Museum at> Duxford, Cambs. There is a > new gallery of US aircraft. By the way, I rebuilt> the wings for the Stearman > hanging in there. Also visit Eastern Stearman at> Swanton Morley, Norfolk. > That is where the Stearman was rebuilt for the> museum, there are usually 3 or > 4 in various stages of reconstruction, plus 3 or 4> hangared there, in flying > condition.> > Dominic> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Greg Yotz
Skip OSH, take her to Brodhead.John-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Gary Gower
>I've got two Model 'A' blocks from combines I'll trade you for your wife.>Mine thinks the only airplanes are the commerical Jets that take you to>Florida or Las Vegas and thats it.>>In her defense though, she is going to Osh' with me this year.... Maybe>there's hope for a convert there...>>A good Idea would be at Oshkosh an "EAA Aircraft Mission" Tent, wherethey could be missionaires (read, converted pilots wifes) doing the hardwork of converting all the pilots wifes visiting Oshkosh, to AirplaneReligion :-)Same happens to me, Mi wife doesnt want to know about planes at all. SaludosGary GowerGuadalajara, Mexico________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: SAM & JAN MARINUCCI
> Subject: England> > > >I am actually building a Jenny, but I really> sympathise with piets and> >would surely like to get a bit more involved.> >I wonder if you can help me find the piet fans in> England, where I> >moved to from Argentina. Any information about> shipping companies to> >move my bird would also be more than welcome.> Thanks.> >> >> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at> http://mail.yahoo.com> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Adolfo,Welcome to England! I have yet to start my Piet... too many house andworkshop moves this year.... not to mention my forthcoming wedding! I am inNorfolk, and know quite a few in the vintage aircraft business, do feel freeto contact me if you need addresses etc, as my pals do ship planes in fromabroad on occasion. No promises of success, but I'll try and find outusefulinfo for you.Dominic Excell________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael King
> Subject: Re: England> > > >John;> > A Chevy 350 UNMODIFIED except for low tork cam (Marine or truck) but it> >has to have a two to one PSRU to work right. By this I mean the takeoff rpm> >would be 1800 at the prop and 3600 in the engine. That is about where the> >tork is best, more or less. Cruise is about 1400 prop and 2800 engine or> >about where it would be going down the highway at 65 mph in a vehicle. That> >rpm is kinda where they are designed to run forever on. There are numerous> >PSRU out now with several ratios. The direct drive 350's are used on the> >higher speed plastic go-fasts out at 250 mph or so and turn at 4400-5500> >rpm. TBO is low on them BUT, a NEW engine is "only" 1100 to 2200 bucks> >American depending long block/short block. The quality on these engines is> >"exceptional" I'm told. I have collected quite a bit of data, info, etc.,> to> >include web sites. Contact me directly off this chat line for more info. I> >have two blocks here to use as mock-ups but don't have the time due to my> >work schedule at G.E.........> >Earl Myers> >> >-----Original Message-----> >From: John Greenlee > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 10:28 AM> >Subject: Re: England> >> >> >>Interesting,> >>> >>I have had this concept floating in the back of my mind for some time -- A> >>project of an early biplane with a 350 Chev direct drive in place of an> >>OX-5. If you could get 110-120 hp out of the Chev it would be a large> >power> >>increase over the OX-5, be cheap, and have the right thrust-line,> >>sillouette, etc. I wonder how the weight would compare?> >>> >>Just lug the engine with a huge prop to keep the revs down, and use a> >>camshaft for lotsa torque at lower rpms....> >>> >>What is/was your plan?> >>> >>John> >>> >>-----Original Message-----> >>From: Earl Myers > >>To: Pietenpol Discussion > >>Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 1:23 PM> >>Subject: Re: England> >>> >>> >>>I have some sources for Jenny plans....most helpfull (as usual) were the> >>>Canadians!> >>>I originally had all the microfilm available on Jennies but donated all> of> >>>it to Cole Palen when his house burned down. He did use some of it to> redo> >>>his JN6 radiator......Adolfo, where did you get your Jenny info???? I had> >>>started one (Canuck version) with a Chevy 350 engine but started working> 7> >>>days a week so it waits..........> >>>-----Original Message-----> >>>From: Adolfo Pando > >>>To: Pietenpol Discussion > >>>Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 11:30 AM> >>>Subject: England> >>>> >>>> >>>>I am actually building a Jenny, but I really sympathise with piets and> >>>>would surely like to get a bit more involved.> >>>>I wonder if you can help me find the piet fans in England, where I> >>>>moved to from Argentina. Any information about shipping companies to> >>>>move my bird would also be more than welcome. Thanks.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________