Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: kyle ray
>Has anyone wondered, along with me, why when North American designed theP51>Mustang, they copied the profile of thePietenpol vertical stabilizer and>rudder?>>Steve, please check to see if I am double subscribed....got 181 messages in>two days!>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Smith, Randy
No however I've heard that German intelligence aquireda copy of Pietenpol plans for Willy Messerschimt whiledesigning the 109. The British knew of this andsent a defective copy. This probably ended the warsix to eight weeks early!-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:>>> URGENT:>>>> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds>> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,>>>> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!>>>> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!>>>> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" type>> landing gear.>>I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" . Chech with Global>Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're>looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.>>> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.>>Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system available>that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at>http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so freebes>are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people to>deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes with>it for over 15 years.>>>>>>> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!>>>> John Bayer>> Meany Piet Project>> (206) 205-6903 (w)>> (425) 823-7865 (h)>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: robert hensarling
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Any of you guys have experience with the System Three WR-LPU (Waterreduceable-Linear Polyurethane) products. Their literature really makes itsound great (imagine that). I think it is a "water borne" system as they usea "cross linker" along with the water thinner.>I agree with you on water BASED systems. However, I think (hope) he was>looking for a water-BORNE system. These are completely different. AFS is>the only one I know of carrying a water-BORNE system for aircraft>covering, priming and painting. Thier non-toxic topcoats use 3 parts>paint, 1 part cataylyst and 1/2-1 part water (determined by the correct>viscosity). The water is used as a solvent only until the paint sets, then>it is totally impervious to water and most chemicals. One of the>Christavia builders I know covered his plane with this system 15 years ago>and it still looks good.>>Ken>>On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, David B. Schober wrote:>>> John,>> I would strongly suggest that you not use a water based finish on yourPiet>> project. Every airplane I've seen with a water based finish doesn't last,>> turns chalky and gets alligater cracks in a few years.>>>> What type wheels are you looking for? Maybe a better question is what>> diameter axles do you have?>>>> John R Bayer wrote:>>>> > URGENT:>> >>> > The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds>> > (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,>> >>> > TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!>> >>> > Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!>> >>> > 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub"type>> > landing gear.>> >>> > 2. A propeller for the Model "A" Piet.>> >>> > 3. Radiator for the same.>> >>> > 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.>> >>> > THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!>> >>> > John Bayer>> > Meany Piet Project>> > (206) 205-6903 (w)>> > (425) 823-7865 (h)>>>>>>>> -->>>>*>>>> David B.Schober, CPE>> Instructor, Aviation Maintenance>> Fairmont State College>> National Aerospace Education Center>> 1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive>> Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503>> (304) 842-8300>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Conrad, Bart D"
URGENT:The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds(PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items, TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER! Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" typelanding gear.2. A propeller for the Model "A" Piet.3. Radiator for the same.4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!John BayerMeany Piet Project(206) 205-6903 (w)(425) 823-7865 (h)________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:> URGENT:> > The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items, > > TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER! > > Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!> > 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" type> landing gear.I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" . Chech with GlobalAircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you'relooking for in used parts at a reasonable price.> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system availablethat I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site athttp://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so freebesare probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people todeal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes withit for over 15 years.> > > THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!> > John Bayer> Meany Piet Project> (206) 205-6903 (w)> (425) 823-7865 (h)> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
Thanks a lot, Ken. Will do.John Bayer writes:>On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:>>> URGENT:>> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some >funds>> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items, >> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER! >> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!>> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" >type>> landing gear.>>I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" . Chech with >Global>Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're>looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.>>> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.>>Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system >available>that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at>http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so >freebes>are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people >to>deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes >with>it for over 15 years.>>> >> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!>> >> John Bayer>> Meany Piet Project>> (206) 205-6903 (w)>> (425) 823-7865 (h)>> >>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: John R Bayer
I agree with you on water BASED systems. However, I think (hope) he waslooking for a water-BORNE system. These are completely different. AFS isthe only one I know of carrying a water-BORNE system for aircraftcovering, priming and painting. Thier non-toxic topcoats use 3 partspaint, 1 part cataylyst and 1/2-1 part water (determined by the correctviscosity). The water is used as a solvent only until the paint sets, thenit is totally impervious to water and most chemicals. One of theChristavia builders I know covered his plane with this system 15 years agoand it still looks good. KenOn Thu, 10 Jun 1999, David B. Schober wrote:> John,> I would strongly suggest that you not use a water based finish on your Piet> project. Every airplane I've seen with a water based finish doesn't last,> turns chalky and gets alligater cracks in a few years.> > What type wheels are you looking for? Maybe a better question is what> diameter axles do you have?> > John R Bayer wrote:> > > URGENT:> >> > The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds> > (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,> >> > TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!> >> > Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!> >> > 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" type> > landing gear.> >> > 2. A propeller for the Model "A" Piet.> >> > 3. Radiator for the same.> >> > 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.> >> > THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!> >> > John Bayer> > Meany Piet Project> > (206) 205-6903 (w)> > (425) 823-7865 (h)> > > > --> > > David B.Schober, CPE> Instructor, Aviation Maintenance> Fairmont State College> National Aerospace Education Center> 1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive> Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503> (304) 842-8300> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
John,I would strongly suggest that you not use a water based finish on your Pietproject. Every airplane I've seen with a water based finish doesn't last,turns chalky and gets alligater cracks in a few years.What type wheels are you looking for? Maybe a better question is whatdiameter axles do you have?John R Bayer wrote:> URGENT:>> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,>> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!>> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!>> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" type> landing gear.>> 2. A propeller for the Model "A" Piet.>> 3. Radiator for the same.>> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.>> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!>> John Bayer> Meany Piet Project> (206) 205-6903 (w)> (425) 823-7865 (h)--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education Center1050 East Benedum Industrial DriveBridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: kyle ray
Yes, Water BORNE.Thanks, Ken and Dave!John Bayer writes:>I agree with you on water BASED systems. However, I think (hope) he >was>looking for a water-BORNE system. These are completely different. AFS >is>the only one I know of carrying a water-BORNE system for aircraft>covering, priming and painting. Thier non-toxic topcoats use 3 parts>paint, 1 part cataylyst and 1/2-1 part water (determined by the >correct>viscosity). The water is used as a solvent only until the paint sets, >then>it is totally impervious to water and most chemicals. One of the>Christavia builders I know covered his plane with this system 15 years >ago>and it still looks good. >>Ken>>On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, David B. Schober wrote:>>> John,>> I would strongly suggest that you not use a water based finish on >your Piet>> project. Every airplane I've seen with a water based finish doesn't >last,>> turns chalky and gets alligater cracks in a few years.>> >> What type wheels are you looking for? Maybe a better question is >what>> diameter axles do you have?>> >> John R Bayer wrote:>> >> > URGENT:>> >>> > The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some >funds>> > (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,>> >>> > TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!>> >>> > Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!>> >>> > 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern >"Cub" type>> > landing gear.>> >>> > 2. A propeller for the Model "A" Piet.>> >>> > 3. Radiator for the same.>> >>> > 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.>> >>> > THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!>> >>> > John Bayer>> > Meany Piet Project>> > (206) 205-6903 (w)>> > (425) 823-7865 (h)>> >> >> >> -->> >> *****>> >> David B.Schober, CPE>> Instructor, Aviation Maintenance>> Fairmont State College>> National Aerospace Education Center>> 1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive>> Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503>> (304) 842-8300>> >> >> When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your >eyes>> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always >be.>> >> >>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:>>> Ken Beanlands
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>Distilled Hydrogen Dioxide....the elixer of life!>-----Original Message----->From: Ken Beanlands >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:52 AM>Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>>AFS solvent is ....... distilled H2O, water! >>>>Ken>>>>On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Earl Myers wrote:>>>>> YOU DRANK A GLASS OF WHAT?>>> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By:>> Ken Beanlands
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern that the>EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS and one of>the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was the liason>guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He seemed to>think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the introduction of the>new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers.>>I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they now have>a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I don't think>it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that way. They>are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or toxic>solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent this>morning and had no ill effects .>>Ken>>On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:>>> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have developed and>> certified a water based system. They think the day will come when a lotof>> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said it isready>> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.>>>> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta' tester?>>>> John>>>> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By:>> Ken Beanlands
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>AFS solvent is ....... distilled H2O, water! >>Ken>>On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Earl Myers wrote:>>> YOU DRANK A GLASS OF WHAT?>> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have developed andcertified a water based system. They think the day will come when a lot ofthese wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said it is readyto manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta' tester?John-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By:> Ken Beanlands
PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern that theEPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS and one ofthe Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was the liasonguy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He seemed tothink that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the introduction of thenew waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers. I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they now havea waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I don't thinkit'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that way. Theyare so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or toxicsolvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent thismorning and had no ill effects .KenOn Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have developed and> certified a water based system. They think the day will come when a lot of> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said it is ready> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.> > Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta' tester?> > John> > -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By:> Ken Beanlands
AFS solvent is ....... distilled H2O, water! ;-)KenOn Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Earl Myers wrote:> YOU DRANK A GLASS OF WHAT?> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
YOU DRANK A GLASS OF WHAT?-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Distilled Hydrogen Dioxide....the elixer of life!-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By:>> Ken Beanlands
THanks, Ken, Mike, and everybody else that answered on the paint system!John Bayer writes:>PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern that >the>EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS and >one of>the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was the >liason>guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He >seemed to>think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the introduction of >the>new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers. >>I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they now >have>a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I don't >think>it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that way. >They>are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or >toxic>solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent this>morning and had no ill effects .>>Ken>>On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:>>> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have developed >and>> certified a water based system. They think the day will come when a >lot of>> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said it >is ready>> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.>> >> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta' tester?>> >> John>> >> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By:> >>> Ken Beanlands
Man, some of these dudes are smart. Cain't get away with nuthin!!>From: Howard Wilkinson >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:11:01 -0700>>Earl:> I can assure you that you did not drink a glass of hydrogen>dioxide... there is no such thing. What you probably drank was common>distilled water. A molecule of water consists of two hydrogen atoms>and one oxygen atom, and thus might be refered to as dihydrogen oxide,>but definitely not hydrogen dioxide.>>-----Original Message----->From: Earl Myers >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 9:05 AM>Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>> >Distilled Hydrogen Dioxide....the elixer of life!> >-----Original Message-----> >From: Ken Beanlands > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:52 AM> >Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> >> >> >>AFS solvent is ....... distilled H2O, water! > >>> >>Ken> >>> >>On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Earl Myers wrote:> >>> >>> YOU DRANK A GLASS OF WHAT?> >>> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Earl: I can assure you that you did not drink a glass of hydrogendioxide... there is no such thing. What you probably drank was commondistilled water. A molecule of water consists of two hydrogen atomsand one oxygen atom, and thus might be refered to as dihydrogen oxide,but definitely not hydrogen dioxide.-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: John Greenlee
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>Re the elixir of life...isn't that dihydrogen oxide? (H2O)>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Gary Woodbridge
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>Re the elixir of life...isn't that dihydrogen oxide? (H2O)>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Re the elixir of life...isn't that dihydrogen oxide? (H2O)________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Ed0248(at)aol.com
yup-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Oh, man- all these years I've been thinking its budwiser. Maybee that why Ihave trouble with latex finishes.Mike----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Ed0248(at)aol.com
The elixir of life is fermented and distilled in the highlands ofScotland.Mike BellColumbia, SCPS- any Pietenpols in the greater Washington DC area? I'll beworking here weekly for the next year.Earl Myers on 06/14/99 10:17:05 AMPlease respond to Pietenpol Discussion cc:Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!yup-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Lightsey, Mark - TP2MAL"
> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> > > >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:> >> >> URGENT:> >>> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some funds> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,> >>> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!> >>> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!> >>> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub" type> >> landing gear.> >> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" . Chech with Global> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.> >> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.> >> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system available> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so freebes> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people to> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes with> >it for over 15 years.> >> >>> >>> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!> >>> >> John Bayer> >> Meany Piet Project> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)> >>> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
>> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>>>> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:>> >>> >> URGENT:>> >>>> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use somefunds>> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,>> >>>> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!>> >>>> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!>> >>>> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub"type>> >> landing gear.>> >>> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" . Chech with Global>> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're>> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.>> >>> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.>> >>> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system available>> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at>> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so freebes>> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people to>> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planeswith>> >it for over 15 years.>> >>> >>>> >>>> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!>> >>>> >> John Bayer>> >> Meany Piet Project>> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)>> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:> >> Ken Beanlands
> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> > > >PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern that the> >EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS and one of> >the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was the liason> >guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He seemed to> >think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the introduction of the> >new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers.> >> >I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they now have> >a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I don't think> >it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that way. They> >are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or toxic> >solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent this> >morning and had no ill effects .> >> >Ken> >> >On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:> >> >> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have developed and> >> certified a water based system. They think the day will come when a lot> of> >> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said it is> ready> >> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.> >>> >> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta' tester?> >>> >> John> >>> >> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Earl Myers
> >> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> >>> >>> >> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:> >> >> >> >> URGENT:> >> >>> >> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some> funds> >> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,> >> >>> >> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!> >> >>> >> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!> >> >>> >> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern "Cub"> type> >> >> landing gear.> >> >> >> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" . Chech with Global> >> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're> >> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.> >> >> >> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.> >> >> >> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system available> >> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at> >> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so freebes> >> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good people to> >> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes> with> >> >it for over 15 years.> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!> >> >>> >> >> John Bayer> >> >> Meany Piet Project> >> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)> >> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:>> >> Ken Beanlands
>> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>>>> >PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern that the>> >EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS and oneof>> >the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was theliason>> >guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He seemedto>> >think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the introduction ofthe>> >new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers.>> >>> >I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they nowhave>> >a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I don'tthink>> >it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that way. They>> >are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or toxic>> >solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent this>> >morning and had no ill effects .>> >>> >Ken>> >>> >On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:>> >>> >> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have developed and>> >> certified a water based system. They think the day will come when alot>> of>> >> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said it is>> ready>> >> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.>> >>>> >> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta' tester?>> >>>> >> John>> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Peter P Frantz
>> >> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>> >>>> >>>> >> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:>> >> >>> >> >> URGENT:>> >> >>>> >> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some>> funds>> >> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,>> >> >>>> >> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!>> >> >>>> >> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!>> >> >>>> >> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern"Cub">> type>> >> >> landing gear.>> >> >>> >> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" . Chech withGlobal>> >> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what you're>> >> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.>> >> >>> >> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.>> >> >>> >> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne systemavailable>> >> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at>> >> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company sofreebes>> >> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good peopleto>> >> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering planes>> with>> >> >it for over 15 years.>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!>> >> >>>> >> >> John Bayer>> >> >> Meany Piet Project>> >> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)>> >> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Valdir Moreira
>> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>> >> >> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:>> >>> >> URGENT:>> >>>> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use some >funds>> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,>> >>>> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!>> >>>> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!>> >>>> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the modern >"Cub" type>> >> landing gear.>> >>> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" . Chech with >Global>> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what >you're>> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.>> >>> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.>> >>> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system >available>> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at>> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company so >freebes>> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good >people to>> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering >planes with>> >it for over 15 years.>> >>> >>>> >>>> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!>> >>>> >> John Bayer>> >> Meany Piet Project>> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)>> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)>> >>>> >>> >C-GREN>> >When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your >eyes>> >turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always >be.>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:>>> >> Ken Beanlands
>>> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>>>>>>> >PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concernthat the>>> >EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFSand one>of>>> >the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me wasthe>liason>>> >guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. Heseemed>to>>> >think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with theintroduction of>the>>> >new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers.>>> >>>> >I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and theynow>have>>> >a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. Idon't>think>>> >it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes thatway. They>>> >are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes ortoxic>>> >solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solventthis>>> >morning and had no ill effects .>>> >>>> >Ken>>> >>>> >On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:>>> >>>> >> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they havedeveloped and>>> >> certified a water based system. They think the day will comewhen a>lot>>> of>>> >> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He saidit is>>> ready>>> >> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.>>> >>>>> >> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta'tester?>>> >>>>> >> John>>> >>>>> >> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Ron Beasley
>>> >> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:>>> >> >>>> >> >> URGENT:>>> >> >>>>> >> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to usesome>>> funds>>> >> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,>>> >> >>>>> >> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!>>> >> >>>>> >> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!>>> >> >>>>> >> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with themodern>"Cub">>> type>>> >> >> landing gear.>>> >> >>>> >> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" . Chechwith>Global>>> >> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have whatyou're>>> >> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.>>> >> >>>> >> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.>>> >> >>>> >> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system>available>>> >> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at>>> >> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small companyso>freebes>>> >> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are goodpeople>to>>> >> >deal with and really know thier product and have been coveringplanes>>> with>>> >> >it for over 15 years.>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!>>> >> >>>>> >> >> John Bayer>>> >> >> Meany Piet Project>>> >> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)>>> >> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >>(Aerospace)C-GREN>>> >> > (_) (_)>>> >> >When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk withyour eyes>>> >> >turned skyward, for there you have been and there you willalways be.>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >>>>C-GREN>>> > (_) (_)>>> >When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with youreyes>>> >turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will alwaysbe.>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>*>>When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with youreyes>>turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will alwaysbe.*>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:> >>> >> Ken Beanlands
> >>> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> >>>> >>>> >>> >PolyFibre make 3 manufacturers that have now stated the concern>that the> >>> >EPA will ban solvent based paints. I've heard the same from AFS>and one> >of> >>> >the Dupont reps. One of the guys on the AFS course with me was>the> >liason> >>> >guy between the EPA and the fertilizer company he worked for. He>seemed> >to> >>> >think that this ban would arrive fairly soon with the>introduction of> >the> >>> >new waterborne epoxies available from most paint suppliers.> >>> >> >>> >I was reading PolyFibres ad in July's Kitplanes magazine and they>now> >have> >>> >a waterborne paint system available for composite aircraft. I>don't> >think> >>> >it'll be long before the rest of thier product line goes that>way. They> >>> >are so much nicer to work with as there are no flamable fumes or>toxic> >>> >solvents wo worry. I drank a nice big glass of the AFS solvent>this> >>> >morning and had no ill effects .> >>> >> >>> >Ken> >>> >> >>> >On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Greenlee wrote:> >>> >> >>> >> The Poly-Fibre chief mugwump told me last year they have>developed and> >>> >> certified a water based system. They think the day will come>when a> >lot> >>> of> >>> >> these wonderful solvent based products will be banned. He said>it is> >>> ready> >>> >> to manufacture, just sort of waiting for its day to come.> >>> >>> >>> >> Why not contact them and see if they want a sort-of 'beta'>tester?> >>> >>> >>> >> John> >>> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Doug
> >>> >> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John R Bayer wrote:> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> URGENT:> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> The Meany Middle School Piet Project in Seattle needs to use>some> >>> funds> >>> >> >> (PURCHASE) OR get donations of the following items,> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> TO BE DELIVERED TO SEATTLE BY 30 JUNE, NO LATER!> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> Otherwise, the school's money gets taken back!> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> 1. Air wheels, tires and brake system to work with the>modern> >"Cub"> >>> type> >>> >> >> landing gear.> >>> >> >> >>> >> >I don't often hear the cub refered to as "modern" . Chech>with> >Global> >>> >> >Aircraft near Edmonton at 1-800-561-6448. They may have what>you're> >>> >> >looking for in used parts at a reasonable price.> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> 4. Stits or similar (water-based) finishing materials.> >>> >> >> >>> >> >Stits is not a water-based system. The only waterborne system> >available> >>> >> >that I know of is AFS. Check out thier web site at> >>> >> >http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ . They are a small company>so> >freebes> >>> >> >are probably out of the question. But, Tammy and Paul are good>people> >to> >>> >> >deal with and really know thier product and have been covering>planes> >>> with> >>> >> >it for over 15 years.> >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> THANKS, everybody, for the help thus far!> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> John Bayer> >>> >> >> Meany Piet Project> >>> >> >> (206) 205-6903 (w)> >>> >> >> (425) 823-7865 (h)> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>>(Aerospace)>C-GREN> >>> >> > (_) (_)>> >>> >> >When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with>your eyes> >>> >> >turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will>always be.> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >>>>C-GREN> >>> > (_) (_)>> >>> >When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your>eyes> >>> >turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always>be.> >>>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> >>>*> >>When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your>eyes> >>turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always>be.>*> >>> >>> >>> >> >>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry)
> Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>> >Re the elixir of life...isn't that dihydrogen oxide? (H2O)> >> >>________________________________________________________________________________