Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By:> Michael D Cuy
Thanks so very very much Howard, And thank you all. This is what it's all about! Making a poordecision in this area might not be evident for a couple-a-few years.Dannymac Howard Wilkinson wrote:> > There have been several comments on fabric here which were clearly> false such as "dacron is dacron is dacron" & " Razorback weighs a> ton", and at least one comment suggesting that Stits was a "dope"> process.> First of all.... Dacron varies considerably from one source to> another.... weave, density and some less obvious differences.> Commercial Dacron cloth may contain "sizing" materials which are> lubricants used in the manufacturing process which may well be> detrimental to dope adhesion. Thus you should never purchase dacron> from Sears or someplace like that as you have no idea what> contaminants it might contain. Purchase aircraft fabric only!! The> cost difference isnt' all that much.> Stits is not a Dope process.... it is a polyester process from> what I understand (I've never used it)> Razorback is not inherently heavy.... Razorback is in excess of> 200 times as strong as the original grade A cotton used on aircraft of> the same weight. Razorback is available in some very light weights,> and can be finished out to weights competetive with Stits according to> company literature. Razorback is virtually indestructable as it is> not subject to UV degradation. It will outlast virtually any> aircraft. Razorback is also impervious to chemicals which makes it> popular for fabric covered crop dusters. Maule used Razorback, and I> have handled samples of this fabric is finished condition and found it> to of quite acceptable weight. The strength of the Razorback cloth> may well allow you to use light weight fabric such as 1.7 oz where 3> oz dacron would be required.... the result could be a net loss of> total weight.> Many Stits lovers spread false and misleading info about Razorback> and other processes...... don't believe everything you hear. This> stuff is picked up and passed from one person to the next as if it> were fact..... which it is not.> > > > RAZORBACK FABRICS, INC.> 2179 Elmotn Road> Maynard, AR 72444> (870) 647-2622> > Contact Robert Little at: razorbac(at)tcac.net> > > > Don't believe everything you hear.... Razorback is an excellent> product.... some of the Stits lovers have an axe to grind.> > H.W.> > -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Mike Lund
At least those other guys know what day it is________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Bill Talbert
Is it just possible that some guys would rather enjoy a discussion aboutaircraft, than worry about the date stamp on their computer ?Is it also possibe, that some guys have deliberatly set their date stampwrong to mislead cookies from some less than scrupulous sites?And if it's THEIR system, and not harming you, why worry about it ?I dont even look at the date.Mike----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: John Greenlee
Subject: Re: FABRIC MIS-INFORMATION >There have been several comments on fabric here which were clearly >false such as "dacron is dacron is dacron" Howard- Your corrections here are well appreciated although I must clairify that my above statement was with reference to aircraftdacron, not dacron from your local fabric store or Sears. It's funny howwhen you pin down the aircraft fabric vendors they'll tell you just whatI said above. Thanks ! Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
>There have been several comments on fabric here which were clearly>false such as "dacron is dacron is dacron" Howard- Your corrections here are well appreciated although I mustclairify that my above statement was with reference to aircraft dacron,not dacron from your local fabric store or Sears. It's funny how whenyou pin down the aircraft fabric vendors they'll tell you just what I saidabove.Thanks !Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Mr. Jon Goldenbaum - VP and chief mugwump at Poly-Fibre explained thisto me once. They own both the Poly-Fibre stuff and Ceconite. He saidthey put a big roll of fabric in a machine, and it stamps it with thePoly-Fibre stamps. After a while they change the stamp and stampCeconite on it a while. Same fabric. Two different STCs.Commercial 'non-certified' Dacron may be fine. However, you neverreally know what you are buying. The airplane stuff has known weavepattern, known thread counts, no sizing, etc.John -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Michael King
Just a side note, I have a set of plans for the fly baby airplane, and in those plans, the author recommends the use of nurse's uniform material as a fabric cover for his airplane.Fabric from the fabric store.Just a statement, not that I have a corner on the facts.ocb>From: Michael D Cuy >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Subject: Re: FABRIC MIS-INFORMATION>Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:24:06 -0400>> >There have been several comments on fabric here which were clearly> >false such as "dacron is dacron is dacron">>>Howard- Your corrections here are well appreciated although I must>clairify that my above statement was with reference to aircraft dacron,>not dacron from your local fabric store or Sears. It's funny how when>you pin down the aircraft fabric vendors they'll tell you just what I said>above.>>Thanks !>>Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
There have been several comments on fabric here which were clearlyfalse such as "dacron is dacron is dacron" & " Razorback weighs aton", and at least one comment suggesting that Stits was a "dope"process. First of all.... Dacron varies considerably from one source toanother.... weave, density and some less obvious differences.Commercial Dacron cloth may contain "sizing" materials which arelubricants used in the manufacturing process which may well bedetrimental to dope adhesion. Thus you should never purchase dacronfrom Sears or someplace like that as you have no idea whatcontaminants it might contain. Purchase aircraft fabric only!! Thecost difference isnt' all that much. Stits is not a Dope process.... it is a polyester process fromwhat I understand (I've never used it) Razorback is not inherently heavy.... Razorback is in excess of200 times as strong as the original grade A cotton used on aircraft ofthe same weight. Razorback is available in some very light weights,and can be finished out to weights competetive with Stits according tocompany literature. Razorback is virtually indestructable as it isnot subject to UV degradation. It will outlast virtually anyaircraft. Razorback is also impervious to chemicals which makes itpopular for fabric covered crop dusters. Maule used Razorback, and Ihave handled samples of this fabric is finished condition and found itto of quite acceptable weight. The strength of the Razorback clothmay well allow you to use light weight fabric such as 1.7 oz where 3oz dacron would be required.... the result could be a net loss oftotal weight. Many Stits lovers spread false and misleading info about Razorbackand other processes...... don't believe everything you hear. Thisstuff is picked up and passed from one person to the next as if itwere fact..... which it is not.RAZORBACK FABRICS, INC.2179 Elmotn RoadMaynard, AR 72444(870) 647-2622Contact Robert Little at: razorbac(at)tcac.netDon't believe everything you hear.... Razorback is an excellentproduct.... some of the Stits lovers have an axe to grind.H.W.-----Original Message-----________________________________________________________________________________