Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Earl Myers
You Piet/GN guys are just taking this too serous as I'm poking fun atya all and I don't even have a Pietenpol or a GN Wannabie Piet. I ambuilding a RW-1 UL Piet by Ragwing Aviation and I am in this groupalong with a bunch of folks who are not building anything yet but havedreams of building a Pietenpol I am sure.If this was just a list for those with or building Barnards Piet halfof the people would have to leave, me included.Were all having fun and if anybody with thin skin gets offended by mywords I am sorry because it is all in fun, I've done it before and Iwill do it again.I may build a real Piet with a Mohawk High Gross Wing so to take offfrom my property.GordonRW1 UL PietMohawk MK IVJohn McNarry wrote:> Thanks Mike I really like being a part of this Pietenpol / GN-1 /> Fun Airplane, group when we all get along and share our> experiences.Thanks again for saying ity wellJohn Mc>>> There are some factions in the Piet/GN-1 world that> tend to poke fun at each other, sometimes> in jest, sometimes serious, but those of us who are in it> for fun just think they need to get a life.> Even within the Pietenpol enthusiast's world you will find> those who think that the only Pietenpol> is a so called 'original' Pietenpol complete with a Model> A Ford engine and a tailskid and no brakes.> True that this was the first Pietenpol design, but not the> last. To Bernard Pietenpol he merely had> a first design and a twenty-sixth design...YES, he built> 26 of these wonderful airplanes and not one> was like the other. He experimented with Model T, Model> A, Corvair, Continental, Lycoming, Velie,> and many other engines over the years. Believe it or not> Pietepol even built and flew one with> a radio, brakes, and tailwheel !! I'm sure that if> Bernard were around today he would be pleased to> see Subaru's, Fiesta, and other engines now making his> design more accessible and affordable for> all to have fun with.>> Mike C.>You Piet/GN guys are just taking this too serous as I'm poking fun at yaall and I don't even have a Pietenpol or a GN Wannabie Piet. I am buildinga RW-1 UL Piet by Ragwing Aviation and I am in this group along with abunch of folks who are not building anything yet but have dreams of buildinga Pietenpol I am sure.If this was just a list for those with or building Barnards Piet halfof the people would have to leave, me included.Were all having fun and if anybody with thin skin gets offended by mywords I am sorry because it is all in fun, I've done it before and I willdo it again.I may build a real Piet with a Mohawk High Gross Wing so to take offfrom my property.GordonRW1 UL PietMohawk MK IVJohn McNarry wrote:ThanksMike I reallylike being a part of this Pietenpol / GN-1 / Fun Airplane, group when weall get along and share our experiences.Thanksagain for saying ity wellJohn Mc There are some factions in the Piet/GN-1 world that tendto poke fun at each other, sometimesin jest, sometimes serious, but those of us who are in it for fun justthink they need to get a life.Even within the Pietenpol enthusiast's world you will find those whothink that the only Pietenpolis a so called 'original' Pietenpol complete with a Model A Ford engineand a tailskid and no brakes.True that this was the first Pietenpol design, but not the last.To Bernard Pietenpol he merely hada first design and a twenty-sixth design...YES, he built 26of these wonderful airplanes and not onewas like the other. He experimented with Model T, Model A, Corvair,Continental, Lycoming, Velie,and many other engines over the years. Believe it or not Pietepoleven built and flew one witha radio, brakes, and tailwheel !! I'm sure that if Bernardwere around today he would be pleased tosee Subaru's, Fiesta, and other engines now making his design moreaccessible and affordable forall to have fun with.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
Had me worried for about half a sentence.My property is 282' x 407' with vacant property to East and West andback side that is 282 wide has vacant land on both sides, My neighborjust put up a chainlink fence on N side but only half way back so theopen area is stil to my advantage and has said for a small lease of acouple 12 paks I could land on their property that runs into mine so Iwould have 600 ft running N/S with the end over vacant land andrunning out into 1000's of vacant desert land.My UL Piet only needs 100 ft for takeoff and a real Piet with Mohawkwings would do it in 125 ft. Gestamated.Gordonsteve(at)byu.edu wrote:> Thats it Gordon! I have had it. If you go and to that your> banished! A piet with a mohawk wing? What, do you think this is> Experimental Aviation or something? And what up with landing in> your back yard... preposterous. By the way, think I could do it?On> a more serious note,If I was still in school and had to write about> my "summer vacation," my story about mingling with you folks on the> list and in person would recieve highest marks. Hope to do it again> someday. Everywhere I went it was like a hero's welcome! and I> know for sure they had no idea what I was flying. Piet, GN-1,> "Heath parasol?" or otherwise. Have fun folks, Steve> EldredgeSteve(at)byu.edu>> -----Original Message-----> Behalf Of Gordon Brimhall> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 9:21 PM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: Confused by Mike C>> You Piet/GN guys are just taking this too serous as I'm> poking fun at ya all and I don't even have a Pietenpol or> a GN Wannabie Piet. I am building a RW-1 UL Piet by> Ragwing Aviation and I am in this group along with a bunch> of folks who are not building anything yet but have dreams> of building a Pietenpol I am sure.>> If this was just a list for those with or building> Barnards Piet half of the people would have to leave, me> included.>> Were all having fun and if anybody with thin skin gets> offended by my words I am sorry because it is all in fun,> I've done it before and I will do it again.>> I may build a real Piet with a Mohawk High Gross Wing so> to take off from my property.>> Gordon> RW1 UL Piet> Mohawk MK IV>>> John McNarry wrote:>> > Thanks Mike I really like being a part of this> > Pietenpol / GN-1 / Fun Airplane, group when we all get> > along and share our experiences.Thanks again for saying> > ity wellJohn Mc> >> >> > There are some factions in the Piet/GN-1> > world that tend to poke fun at each other,> > sometimes> > in jest, sometimes serious, but those of us> > who are in it for fun just think they need to> > get a life.> > Even within the Pietenpol enthusiast's world> > you will find those who think that the only> > Pietenpol> > is a so called 'original' Pietenpol complete> > with a Model A Ford engine and a tailskid and> > no brakes.> > True that this was the first Pietenpol design,> > but not the last. To Bernard Pietenpol he> > merely had> > a first design and a twenty-sixth> > design...YES, he built 26 of these wonderful> > airplanes and not one> > was like the other. He experimented with> > Model T, Model A, Corvair, Continental,> > Lycoming, Velie,> > and many other engines over the years.> > Believe it or not Pietepol even built and flew> > one with> > a radio, brakes, and tailwheel !! I'm sure> > that if Bernard were around today he would be> > pleased to> > see Subaru's, Fiesta, and other engines now> > making his design more accessible and> > affordable for> > all to have fun with.> >> > Mike C.> >________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Or I could put the Storch Wing on it with the Flaps/Slots and do it inless than 30 ft.With 20 mph headwind you land in 0 ft.That would be a wicked Piet, make Bernard Proud.GordonI have the plans for both.steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> Thats great, though, I guess I'm out of luck with my 60x80' lot> still. Steve (some people have hangars that big)> EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduOr I could put the Storch Wing on it with the Flaps/Slots and do it inless than 30 ft.With 20 mph headwind you land in 0 ft.That would be a wicked Piet, make Bernard Proud.GordonI have the plans for both.steve(at)byu.edu wrote:Thatsgreat, though, I guess I'm out of luck with my 60x80' lot still.Steveclass=221261616-18081999>(some people have hangars that big) EldredgeSteve(at)byu.edu________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: John Weikel
NOt.Besides being copyright protected they are 2 x 3 ft. size plans for wing and such.No machine around here large enough to copy anyway.Gordonmbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com wrote:> I'd really like to look at Storch wing plans. The mechanism for auto> extend/retract of the leading edge slats is especially interesting to me.>> Are they in an easily copied format?>> Mike Bell> Columbia,SC>> Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 08/18/99 12:29:48 AM> Please respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET>> To: piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET> cc:>> Subject: Re: Confused by Mike C>> Or I could put the Storch Wing on it with the Flaps/Slots and do it in> less than 30 ft.>> With 20 mph headwind you land in 0 ft.>> That would be a wicked Piet, make Bernard Proud.>> Gordon> I have the plans for both.>> steve(at)byu.edu wrote:>> > Thats great, though, I guess I'm out of luck with my 60x80' lot> > still. Steve (some people have hangars that big)> > EldredgeSteve(at)byu.edu>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > Or I could put the Storch Wing on it with the Flaps/Slots and do it in> less than 30 ft.> With 20 mph headwind you land in 0 ft.> That would be a wicked Piet, make Bernard Proud.> Gordon> I have the plans for both.> > steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> Thats> great, though, I guess I'm out of luck with my 60x80' lot still.Steve> class=221261616-18081999>> (some people have hangars that big) EldredgeSteve(at)byu.edu>> > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:> Gordon Brimhall
Considering I have a 409 ft run E/W and a 600 ft run N/S with openproperty on both ends I have no problem, I would only worry aboutrunning into tumble weeds on the open propertys. We drive ourSandRails thru it all the time, me on four wheels and my Son on twobecause he is always pulling the front wheels off the ground with his1835 VW powered rail. I been trying to buy the property on my Westside, owner lives 500 miles away and has probably never seen herproperty so I will drag it clean for probably 150 ft to help her clearthe tumble weeds off of it.Fire Hazard anyway.GordonJohn Weikel wrote:> Gordon,Takeoffs are no problem it's the landings you have to watch> out for. Landing in 100 ft or whatever is fine if you can> accurately pick the touchdown point. If I tried that in my back> yard I would be spitting rocks and cactus stickers.John WKerrville,> TxRW-6KR-2SPiet maybe>> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Thanks Mike I really like being a part of this Pietenpol / GN-1 / Fun Airplane,group when we all get along and share our experiences.Thanks again for saying ity wellJohn Mc There are some factions in the Piet/GN-1 world that tend to pokefun at each other, sometimes in jest, sometimes serious, but those of us who are in it for funjust think they need to get a life. Even within the Pietenpol enthusiast's world you will find those whothink that the only Pietenpol is a so called 'original' Pietenpol complete with a Model A Fordengine and a tailskid and no brakes. True that this was the first Pietenpol design, but not the last. ToBernard Pietenpol he merely had a first design and a twenty-sixth design...YES, he built 26 of thesewonderful airplanes and not one was like the other. He experimented with Model T, Model A, Corvair,Continental, Lycoming, Velie, and many other engines over the years. Believe it or not Pietepoleven built and flew one with a radio, brakes, and tailwheel !! I'm sure that if Bernard werearound today he would be pleased to see Subaru's, Fiesta, and other engines now making his design moreaccessible and affordable for all to have fun with. Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Subject: Re: Confused by Mike C Thanks Mike I really like being a part of this Pietenpol / GN-1 / FunAirplane, group when we all get along and share our experiences. Thanks again for saying ity well John Mc poke fun at each other, sometimes in jest, sometimes serious, but those of us who are in it forfun just think they need to get a life. Even within the Pietenpol enthusiast's world you will find thosewho think that the only Pietenpol is a so called 'original' Pietenpol complete with a Model A Fordengine and a tailskid and no brakes. True that this was the first Pietenpol design, but not the last. To Bernard Pietenpol he merely had a first design and a twenty-sixth design...YES, he built 26 ofthese wonderful airplanes and not one was like the other. He experimented with Model T, Model A,Corvair, Continental, Lycoming, Velie, and many other engines over the years. Believe it or notPietepol even built and flew one with a radio, brakes, and tailwheel !! I'm sure that if Bernardwere around today he would be pleased to see Subaru's, Fiesta, and other engines now making his designmore accessible and affordable for all to have fun with. Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Subject: Re: Confused by Mike C Or I could put the Storch Wing on it with the Flaps/Slots and do itin less than 30 ft. With 20 mph headwind you land in 0 ft. That would be a wicked Piet, make Bernard Proud. Gordon I have the plans for both. steve(at)byu.edu wrote: Thats great, though, I guess I'm out of luck with my 60x80' lotstill. Steve (some people have hangars that big) EldredgeSteve(at)byu.edu________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: John McNarry
Ahon, yur a Saint! -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Piet List; I owed some fellas a sketck of my tail skid shoe plate, all with thefirst name of Steve.......can you guys contact me off list directly withwhom and where to send the sketckes....?Earl Myers, OhioPiet List; I owed some fellas a sketckof my tailskid shoe plate, all with the first name of Steve.......can you guyscontact meoff list directly with whom and where to send thesketckes....?Earl Myers,Ohio________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Thats it Gordon! I have had it. If you go and to that your banished! Apiet with a mohawk wing? What, do you think this is Experimental Aviationor something? And what up with landing in your back yard... preposterous.By the way, think I could do it?On a more serious note,If I was still in school and had to write about my "summer vacation," mystory about mingling with you folks on the list and in person would recievehighest marks. Hope to do it again someday. Everywhere I went it was likea hero's welcome! and I know for sure they had no idea what I was flying.Piet, GN-1, "Heath parasol?" or otherwise. Have fun folks,Steve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.edu-----Original Message-----BrimhallSent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 9:21 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Confused by Mike CYou Piet/GN guys are just taking this too serous as I'm poking fun at ya alland I don't even have a Pietenpol or a GN Wannabie Piet. I am building aRW-1 UL Piet by Ragwing Aviation and I am in this group along with a bunchof folks who are not building anything yet but have dreams of building aPietenpol I am sure.If this was just a list for those with or building Barnards Piet half of thepeople would have to leave, me included.Were all having fun and if anybody with thin skin gets offended by my wordsI am sorry because it is all in fun, I've done it before and I will do itagain.I may build a real Piet with a Mohawk High Gross Wing so to take off from myproperty.GordonRW1 UL PietMohawk MK IVJohn McNarry wrote: Thanks Mike I really like being a part of this Pietenpol / GN-1 / FunAirplane, group when we all get along and share our experiences.Thanks againfor saying ity wellJohn Mc There are some factions in the Piet/GN-1 world that tend to poke fun ateach other, sometimesin jest, sometimes serious, but those of us who are in it for fun just thinkthey need to get a life.Even within the Pietenpol enthusiast's world you will find those who thinkthat the only Pietenpolis a so called 'original' Pietenpol complete with a Model A Ford engine anda tailskid and no brakes.True that this was the first Pietenpol design, but not the last. To BernardPietenpol he merely hada first design and a twenty-sixth design...YES, he built 26 of thesewonderful airplanes and not onewas like the other. He experimented with Model T, Model A, Corvair,Continental, Lycoming, Velie,and many other engines over the years. Believe it or not Pietepol evenbuilt and flew one witha radio, brakes, and tailwheel !! I'm sure that if Bernard were aroundtoday he would be pleased tosee Subaru's, Fiesta, and other engines now making his design moreaccessible and affordable forall to have fun with.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: mbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com
Thats great, though, I guess I'm out of luck with my 60x80' lot still. Steve (some people have hangars that big) EldredgeSteve(at)byu.edu________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael King
I'd really like to look at Storch wing plans. The mechanism for autoextend/retract of the leading edge slats is especially interesting to me.Are they in an easily copied format?Mike BellColumbia,SCMaiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 08/18/99 12:29:48 AMPlease respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNETcc:Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Confused by Mike COr I could put the Storch Wing on it with the Flaps/Slots and do it inless than 30 ft.With 20 mph headwind you land in 0 ft.That would be a wicked Piet, make Bernard Proud.GordonI have the plans for both.steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> Thats great, though, I guess I'm out of luck with my 60x80' lot> still. Steve (some people have hangars that big)> EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduOr I could put the Storch Wing on it with the Flaps/Slots and do it inless than 30 ft.With 20 mph headwind you land in 0 ft.That would be a wicked Piet, make Bernard Proud.GordonI have the plans for both.steve(at)byu.edu wrote:Thatsgreat, though, I guess I'm out of luck with my 60x80' lot still.Steveclass=221261616-18081999>(some people have hangars that big) EldredgeSteve(at)byu.edu________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Gordon,Takeoffs are no problem it's the landings you have to watch out for. Landing in 100 ft or whatever is fine if you can accurately pick thetouchdown point. If I tried that in my back yard I would be spittingrocks and cactus stickers.John WKerrville, TxRW-6KR-2SPiet maybe -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
Steve,Not if you lived in Florida. At sea level, in the winter, you couldprobably make it!!! ;-)Ted>Thats great, though, I guess I'm out of luck with my 60x80' lot still.> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Pat Panzera
> Subject: Re: Confused by Mike C> Or I could put the Storch Wing on it with the Flaps/Slots> and do it in less than 30 ft.>> With 20 mph headwind you land in 0 ft.>> That would be a wicked Piet, make Bernard Proud.>> Gordon> I have the plans for both.>>> steve(at)byu.edu wrote:>> > Thats great, though, I guess I'm out of luck with my> > 60x80' lot still. Steve (some people have hangars that> > big) EldredgeSteve(at)byu.edu>________________________________________________________________________________