Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Does anybody on the list know of any company which will lace my spoke wheel hubs to motorcycle rims using custom spokes, with rolled threads?Buchanan's Spoke and Rim seems to be a dead issue, as for the last 2 monthes I have been writing them e-mails, and one letter, with no answer.These people won't even be polite enough to give me a reply !I can only assume that they are no longer in the business of spokes, unless they are for motorcycles.Bob________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: wayne
Subject: Pietenpol-List: More...Spoke Wheels...!!>Does anybody on the list know of any company which will lace my spoke wheel>hubs to motorcycle rims using custom spokes, with rolled threads?>>Buchanan's Spoke and Rim seems to be a dead issue, as for the last 2monthes>I have been writing them e-mails, and one letter, with no answer.>>These people won't even be polite enough to give me a reply !>>I can only assume that they are no longer in the business of spokes, unless>they are for motorcycles.>>Bob>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: More...Spoke Wheels...!!>Does anybody on the list know of any company which will lace my spoke wheel>hubs to motorcycle rims using custom spokes, with rolled threads?>>Buchanan's Spoke and Rim seems to be a dead issue, as for the last 2monthes>I have been writing them e-mails, and one letter, with no answer.>>These people won't even be polite enough to give me a reply !>>I can only assume that they are no longer in the business of spokes, unless>they are for motorcycles.>>Bob>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Subject: Pietenpol-List: More...Spoke Wheels...!!>Does anybody on the list know of any company which will lace my spoke wheel>hubs to motorcycle rims using custom spokes, with rolled threads?>>Buchanan's Spoke and Rim seems to be a dead issue, as for the last 2monthes>I have been writing them e-mails, and one letter, with no answer.>>These people won't even be polite enough to give me a reply !>>I can only assume that they are no longer in the business of spokes, unless>they are for motorcycles.>>Bob>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: More...Spoke Wheels...!!>Does anybody on the list know of any company which will lace my spoke wheel>hubs to motorcycle rims using custom spokes, with rolled threads?>>Buchanan's Spoke and Rim seems to be a dead issue, as for the last 2monthes>I have been writing them e-mails, and one letter, with no answer.>>These people won't even be polite enough to give me a reply !>>I can only assume that they are no longer in the business of spokes, unless>they are for motorcycles.>>Bob>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: oil can
YES! Back to ya shortlyEarl Myers-----Original Message-----
YES! Back to ya shortlyEarl Myers-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: oil can
Bob, There is a place 30 miles from here that mounted tyres on my Piet rimsand is lacing up a new set for Frank Pavliga's Sky Gypsy.....Advise ofinterest.Earl Myers-Ohio-----Original Message-----
Bob, There is a place 30 miles from here that mounted tyres on my Piet rimsand is lacing up a new set for Frank Pavliga's Sky Gypsy.....Advise ofinterest.Earl Myers-Ohio-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Speaking of the Sky Gypsy. I just ran across the article yesterday in the1985 Sport Aviation, about the Sky Gypsy.In the article Frank Pavliga talked about how well the plane performed.Said it performed better than a Cub on climb. I've also heard severalpeople at the Benton flyin talk about not wanting to us a Ford 'A' becausesomeone they knew could barely get there Piet off the ground with it. I'mwondering what the differences are. The first thing that comes to mind isweight. The Sky Gypsy weight was 683lbs. Doug, what did your Piet weight? How does it perform with one/twopersons in it? How about anybody else?The other thing that I've been wondering about it the fact that the Fordmodel A has it's 'carb heat' on all the time.I'm wondering how much power is being lost because of low air densityfeeding the engine? If I left my carb heat on in most of the airplanes I'veowned it would cut my climb in half.Also the picture of the Sky Gypsy showed its carb being mounted low underthe exhaust.Just some thoughts....Greg Yotz-----Original Message-----
Speaking of the Sky Gypsy. I just ran across the article yesterday in the1985 Sport Aviation, about the Sky Gypsy.In the article Frank Pavliga talked about how well the plane performed.Said it performed better than a Cub on climb. I've also heard severalpeople at the Benton flyin talk about not wanting to us a Ford 'A' becausesomeone they knew could barely get there Piet off the ground with it. I'mwondering what the differences are. The first thing that comes to mind isweight. The Sky Gypsy weight was 683lbs. Doug, what did your Piet weight? How does it perform with one/twopersons in it? How about anybody else?The other thing that I've been wondering about it the fact that the Fordmodel A has it's 'carb heat' on all the time.I'm wondering how much power is being lost because of low air densityfeeding the engine? If I left my carb heat on in most of the airplanes I'veowned it would cut my climb in half.Also the picture of the Sky Gypsy showed its carb being mounted low underthe exhaust.Just some thoughts....Greg Yotz-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Bob- Even though the cycle shop I purchased my rims andordered my spokes, tires, and tubes were very helpful, theycould not lace my wheels because of my hubs- they would notfit in the lacing fixture- too wide. Lacing isn't too difficult and truing took me about 2 hours perwheel. Once the excess threads were ground off inside the rimI took the rims back to the cycle shop and he had me run ducttape over what was left of the nipple/ground threads, then he putthis big flat rubber band over that, then poweder and the tube and tire and mounted it for 5 doallars. Worth it.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Bob- Even though the cycle shop I purchased my rims andordered my spokes, tires, and tubes were very helpful, theycould not lace my wheels because of my hubs- they would notfit in the lacing fixture- too wide. Lacing isn't too difficult and truing took me about 2 hours perwheel. Once the excess threads were ground off inside the rimI took the rims back to the cycle shop and he had me run ducttape over what was left of the nipple/ground threads, then he putthis big flat rubber band over that, then poweder and the tube and tire and mounted it for 5 doallars. Worth it.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: DonanClara(at)aol.com
Greg...another thing to throw into the mix on Sky Gypsy aside from that great performance is that, per Frank Pavliga Sr. it is the extended (1966) fuselage. I'm no aeronautical engineer but distribution of weight and the moment arm of the stab be a factor. Since mine is the same configuration I would certainly welcome comment from some of those who are more knowledgeable in this regard.Since I'm looking for advise I would also like to hear from any owners of flying Piet Air Campers with rudder bars on which the cable attach point has been moved inward toward the fulcrum. Big Jim Van Dervort wrote in the BPAN that Bernie Pietenpol had recommended this to reduce PIO (pilot induced oscillation, or just plain old over-controlling!) and I recall having read it elsewhere ( I think in one of Mr. Pietenpol's articles. My concern is the level of rudder authority available with this change. Gurus please respond!!Don Hicks ________________________________________________________________________________
Greg...another thing to throw into the mix on Sky Gypsy aside from that great performance is that, per Frank Pavliga Sr. it is the extended (1966) fuselage. I'm no aeronautical engineer but distribution of weight and the moment arm of the stab be a factor. Since mine is the same configuration I would certainly welcome comment from some of those who are more knowledgeable in this regard.Since I'm looking for advise I would also like to hear from any owners of flying Piet Air Campers with rudder bars on which the cable attach point has been moved inward toward the fulcrum. Big Jim Van Dervort wrote in the BPAN that Bernie Pietenpol had recommended this to reduce PIO (pilot induced oscillation, or just plain old over-controlling!) and I recall having read it elsewhere ( I think in one of Mr. Pietenpol's articles. My concern is the level of rudder authority available with this change. Gurus please respond!!Don Hicks ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: oil can
Bob; Here's the scoop: Decker Cycles410 W. Main St.Canfield, Ohio 44406330-533-9335If you were to look on a map, they would be a tad south of Youngstown, Ohioor nw of Pittsburg, Pa......They get REAL busy in the spring as that is the atv season.....Earl MyersPS: need your snail address to get those drawings to you, offlist-----Original Message-----
Bob; Here's the scoop: Decker Cycles410 W. Main St.Canfield, Ohio 44406330-533-9335If you were to look on a map, they would be a tad south of Youngstown, Ohioor nw of Pittsburg, Pa......They get REAL busy in the spring as that is the atv season.....Earl MyersPS: need your snail address to get those drawings to you, offlist-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Greg Yotz
For anyones's info, I have the Sky Gypsy Ford engine sitting in my shop justas it was when in the plane. That engine was heavy and never set up rightfrom the gitgo. Will Graff's Ford engine performs flawlessly all the timealtho it has two magnetos.........dual ignition. A BIG difference in thesetwo engines just as there is a big difference in my Champ's 0-200...when Ibought it and what it is now. Wouldn't believe it to be the same engine! Alldepends on how it is set up, irregardless of what engine it is.Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
For anyones's info, I have the Sky Gypsy Ford engine sitting in my shop justas it was when in the plane. That engine was heavy and never set up rightfrom the gitgo. Will Graff's Ford engine performs flawlessly all the timealtho it has two magnetos.........dual ignition. A BIG difference in thesetwo engines just as there is a big difference in my Champ's 0-200...when Ibought it and what it is now. Wouldn't believe it to be the same engine! Alldepends on how it is set up, irregardless of what engine it is.Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Earl Myers
You seem very knowledgable. What about the continuious carb heat issue?Wouldn't I be better off making a controllable carb heat box with fresh airan option. I also want to put an aircleaner on it! I can't believe it isthe best practice to operate an aircraft engine on grass and dirt fieldswith no aircleaner.....Greg Yotz-----Original Message-----
You seem very knowledgable. What about the continuious carb heat issue?Wouldn't I be better off making a controllable carb heat box with fresh airan option. I also want to put an aircleaner on it! I can't believe it isthe best practice to operate an aircraft engine on grass and dirt fieldswith no aircleaner.....Greg Yotz-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Alan Swanson
In a message dated 9/13/99 3:55:09 PM Central Daylight Time, gyachts(at)kans.com writes:>Greg.... I don't know much about model A's but I do know that dust and airborne particles are the #1 enemy that causes engine wear. It winds up in the oil and passes thru the oil pump and everywhere. It then abrades reciprocating and rotating parts. You are right...this is a bigger issue on a grass/dirt strip environment. In flight, dust is not really an issue unless you fly in west Texas or New Mexico in dust storms. An air cleaner is a must in my book. I am building up an A-75 continental, but my philosophy would be no different with a model A, corvair, ...or heck...my lawn mower even. On the carb heat issue, I'd try my best to come up with a manually operated carb heat system if I were you. Its simple, but does add weight. However, you more than make up for the extra weight with the extra few horsepower gained for the carb heat OFF climbout. I heard someone at Benton talking about a guy that has flown a corvair engine a lot without having ANY carb heat. Does a stock corvair have some sort of carburator heating built into the intake system? If not I hope this guy realizes he's asking for a forced landing. I am assuming we needn't go into the physics discussion about the 40 degree F temperature drop that occurs across a carburator throat. Terry B________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 9/13/99 3:55:09 PM Central Daylight Time, gyachts(at)kans.com writes:>Greg.... I don't know much about model A's but I do know that dust and airborne particles are the #1 enemy that causes engine wear. It winds up in the oil and passes thru the oil pump and everywhere. It then abrades reciprocating and rotating parts. You are right...this is a bigger issue on a grass/dirt strip environment. In flight, dust is not really an issue unless you fly in west Texas or New Mexico in dust storms. An air cleaner is a must in my book. I am building up an A-75 continental, but my philosophy would be no different with a model A, corvair, ...or heck...my lawn mower even. On the carb heat issue, I'd try my best to come up with a manually operated carb heat system if I were you. Its simple, but does add weight. However, you more than make up for the extra weight with the extra few horsepower gained for the carb heat OFF climbout. I heard someone at Benton talking about a guy that has flown a corvair engine a lot without having ANY carb heat. Does a stock corvair have some sort of carburator heating built into the intake system? If not I hope this guy realizes he's asking for a forced landing. I am assuming we needn't go into the physics discussion about the 40 degree F temperature drop that occurs across a carburator throat. Terry B________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Greg Yotz
It is best to operate with a controllable carb heat especially on a Ford,needs all the hep ya can get it. The Sky Gypsy engine has an on/off carbheat box taken from another engine and then cobbled to fit. I do rememberFrank saying that this engine, with a log style intake manifold, WAS VERYprone to carb ice!!! I would also urge using a Bracket style filter elementor adapting an automotive style K&N Filter....both use a sticky oil coatingnot unlike flypaper to trap dust but has a high pass ratio (lets in a lot ofair). My Champ has one and is on a grass airfield (with Sky Gypsy)...what adifference! Continuous carb heat will insure no ice but will also insure50-100 rpm drop as well. On a Ford, that is significant. Go with an on/offtype, easy to make. The hot air always is there, it is just dumped overboardwhen not used. Most systems bypass the filter when using carb heat too.Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
It is best to operate with a controllable carb heat especially on a Ford,needs all the hep ya can get it. The Sky Gypsy engine has an on/off carbheat box taken from another engine and then cobbled to fit. I do rememberFrank saying that this engine, with a log style intake manifold, WAS VERYprone to carb ice!!! I would also urge using a Bracket style filter elementor adapting an automotive style K&N Filter....both use a sticky oil coatingnot unlike flypaper to trap dust but has a high pass ratio (lets in a lot ofair). My Champ has one and is on a grass airfield (with Sky Gypsy)...what adifference! Continuous carb heat will insure no ice but will also insure50-100 rpm drop as well. On a Ford, that is significant. Go with an on/offtype, easy to make. The hot air always is there, it is just dumped overboardwhen not used. Most systems bypass the filter when using carb heat too.Earl Myers-----Original Message-----