Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: del magsam
Loved you comment. I agree, I've flown the J-3 and didn't think much ofit. I always like the Champ better. However, this Piet is more funthan any tail dragger I've ever flown. In fact it ranks up there in funwith the F-16, just not as fast.Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510snip> Question, what is so great about a cub? I flew cubs ( land & sea )years ago, other than legend, it doesn't have much going for it. Mike B Piet 687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Copinfo
Greg wrote quoting Frank Pavliga comparing a cub to Piet:snip>Question, what is so great about a cub? I flew cubs ( land & sea ) yearsago, other than legend, it doesn't have much going for it.Mike B Piet 687MB ( Mr Sam )Greg wrote quoting Frank Pavliga comparing acubto Piet:snipSaid it performed better than aCub onclimb. Question, what is so great about a cub? I flew cubs ( land sea )years ago, other than legend, it doesn't have much going for it.Mike B Piet 687MB ( Mr Sam ) ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Howard Wilkinson
while I am waiting for my wood to arrive. I'vestarted building the landing gear and control assbly.would like to get some input on where a good sourceis for 6 or 8 inch wheels and tires. I see some withnicely designed aluminum wheels. It appears I need tomodify the gear to except whatever wheels I purchase.I've seen both welded on threaded axles and bolt on(looks like 4 bolts)________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: User554784(at)aol.com
>> Loved you comment. I agree, I've flown the J-3 and didn't think much of it.> I always like the Champ better. However, this Piet is more fun than any tail> dragger I've ever flown. In fact it ranks up there in fun with the F-16,> just not as fast.> Tim CunninghamTim ! Wow, your statement above is exactly how I feel about the J-3/Champ. Cubs are neat lookingand nostalgic but otherwise the Champ and Piet have it all wrapped up for me.Mike C. Loved you comment. I agree,I've flown the J-3 and didn't think much of it. I always like theChamp better. However, this Piet is more fun than any tail draggerI've ever flown. In fact it ranks up there in fun with the F-16,just not as fast.Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamTim ! Wow, your statement above is exactly how I feelabout the J-3/Champ. Cubs are neat lookingand nostalgic but otherwise the Champ and Piet have it all wrapped up forme.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: TXTdragger(at)aol.com
Tim wrote:>Of course! Champ-no contest.Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
the Champ is a lot better than to fly than Cub, but someone likes them (check prices in Tade-a-plane) never understood what the deal was/is. Try taking lessons from rear seat with no intercom........what a fire drill,John D________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Pat Panzera
The Champ is a better airplane for several reasons - more room, better visibility, solo from the front where you can actually see, more stable, and slightly faster. The Cub is more popular because so many people learned to fly in them during WW11 in the CPT program and so many more were built than the Champ.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: fishin
Aw, Come on. Lay off the Cub. It is a great plane and doesn't shouldn't beput down. True, the Champ is a little faster, but the Cub is a littleslower (in stall, anyway). True, you fly solo from the front in a Champ,but most of the people that the Cub was designed for were far morecomfortable flying solo from the rear. Many had grown up flying biplanes.I seem to remember that the original price was also in favour of the Cub.The ability to cruise " Low and Slow With the Door Open" is a real bigplus for the Cub. I had the pleasure of doing just that with a buddy ofmine in Nova Scotia in his 85 hp Cub. One of my more memorable flights.I've also flown the descendants of both, the Citabria 7-ECA and thePA-18-125. I much prefer the PA-18 and it is solo in the front. Climb,take off and landing performance, handling, looks (IMHO), stall speed andruggedness were in the PA-18's favour. The 7-ECA was a little morespacious, better control layout (didn't like the ignition and carb heatbeing actuated "by feel" only ont he PA-18), better entry and egress,better cruise and had aerobatic capabilities. Let's face it, the Cub is an honest, good mannered plane with no realquirks. On wheels, they perform as well as any 65 hp plane. On floats, andwith an 0-200, they are a fabulous little airplane. Finally, when its -20out, nothing beats an enclosed cabin. Ken "True Blue Cub Lover" BeanlandsOn Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Copinfo wrote:> Loved you comment. I agree, I've flown the J-3 and didn't think much of> it. I always like the Champ better. However, this Piet is more fun> than any tail dragger I've ever flown. In fact it ranks up there in fun> with the F-16, just not as fast. Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com Tim Cunningham> Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510 snip Cub on climb. >>>> > Question, what is so great about a cub? I flew cubs ( land & sea )> years ago, other than legend, it doesn't have much going for it. > > Mike B Piet 687MB ( Mr Sam ) > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)Calgary, Alberta, CanadaChristavia MK 1 C-GREN________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
if you're looking to save some $, check out Central Air Parts inStauton, Ill. 618-635-3252 for good used and new componants..I got apair of cleveland 600x6 wheels, bolt on axles, tires and tubes andbrakes w/disc ( from a C172)) for $225a little over a year ago.I did replace the bearings ($75) but all in alla pretty good deal.JoeCZion, Illinoisdel magsam wrote:> while I am waiting for my wood to arrive. I've> started building the landing gear and control assbly.> would like to get some input on where a good source> is for 6 or 8 inch wheels and tires. I see some with> nicely designed aluminum wheels. It appears I need to> modify the gear to except whatever wheels I purchase.> I've seen both welded on threaded axles and bolt on> (looks like 4 bolts)>> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
The plywood seat in Piets is more comfortable than theupholstered ones in Cubs.In the back seat of a Cub, full up elevator rubs the undersideof the seat cushion so you can feel it and it seems like you are sitting onthe floor boards.The front seat is a real treat to get it too. Narrow...your feet arealways hitting the front passenger and it's real easy to have yourheels hit the brakes when operating the rudder pedals from the rear. Vis over the nose is squat from the rear seat and the front.The Champ with the door off give you a gorgeous view outside- especiallywhen landing it from the rear seat. Nice oleo strut gear instead of thebungee chord stiff Cub. The really annoying thing for me is thatto fly my Piet I have to push a J-3 out of the way, then back in the hanger, then out again to get the Piet back in. I wish some rich airlinepilot would buy it and move it ))) Surley I jest about these points, heck anything that fliesinterests me...just some more than others. Common down Ken, we'll go fly the Cub around for a while !!________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: GREA738(at)aol.com
Everybody likes Cubs...they're just so damned CUTE. Everybody likes Champs...they're so damned CUTE.I started out in a J3, and UPGRADED to a 7AC. Liked 'em both! Still do. Airplanes are a lot like women...they all look different, sometimes you want 'em all, you usually can't afford even one, but, boy, are they nice to have around.I had a '56 Crown Vic, a '57 Bel Air and a '68 Javelin. Wish I still had them as well as everything else nice I've let slip away. Did hold on to my woman, though.Thoughts of an O.F.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Greg Yotz
>Everybody likes Cubs...they're just so damned CUTE. Everybody likes >Champs...they're so damned CUTE.>>I started out in a J3, and UPGRADED to a 7AC. Liked 'em both! Still do. >Airplanes are a lot like women...they all look different, sometimes you want >'em all, you usually can't afford even one, but, boy, are they nice to have >around.>>I had a '56 Crown Vic, a '57 Bel Air and a '68 Javelin. Wish I still had >them as well as everything else nice I've let slip away. Did hold on to my >woman, though.>>Thoughts of an O.F.>>Well you decided, like most of us, to "keep" the most expensive one :-)SaludosGary Gower________________________________________________________________________________