Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handling T88 Epoxy>>I've been using T88 with reckless abandon building up ribs the last couple>of weeks, and Joe Krzes posed a question to me, which I'll pose to the>group.>> *** Yes I could read the directions, but I don't have them with me right>now, and, if there's a safety thing to consider, then a reminder would be>good for everyone. ***>> I glossed over the use of T88 when I got it in and haven't looked it over>since, once I found that it cleans-up with vinegar, I sorta dismissed any>long-term health implications (dumb!).>> Is it possible to develop any sort of allergic reaction if a person is>exposed to it on a long-term basis. By exposed, I mean, getting glue on my>hands/arms at every building session. I'll wear gloves, but they reallymake>it harder to work with small pieces and the like. Yes I'm probably dumb for>not doing that already, but I just can't help getting excited andforgetting>things like that.>> Any words of advice from anyone?>>Gary Meadows>15 ribs and counting.....>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 08:09:09 -0800

Original Posted By: "Gary Meadows"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handling T88 Epoxy>>Mike,> I'm on rib #16 now, and the only problem I've had, is areas that I miss>when I wash my hands, I end up pulling out hairs getting the stuff off!!>That alone is worth wearing the gloves. Invariably, I'll lean over and put>an arm in the stuff, really dumb stuff like that. But it's off to the store>today to get my gloves! I've got a fan I'll set to blow across the area to>provide fresh air. I think I'll get some dust masks for sanding, andsawing,>that seems to be more of an irritant than anything else so far! Well, that,>and this work thing that keeps getting in the way of my building!>>Thanks much,>Gary>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Gary Meadows
Gary, when I started glueing ribs I didn't wear gloves thinking that I couldbe very careful not to get it on me and if I did I probably wouldn't haveany problem. WRONG! Of course I got it on me andluckily my only reaction was a very pronunced itching and a light redness ofthe skin. This was enoughto send me to the store for gloves before glueing rib # 2! now I don't evenpick up the bottles withoutgloves.-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: DonanClara(at)aol.com
Mike, I'm on rib #16 now, and the only problem I've had, is areas that I miss when I wash my hands, I end up pulling out hairs getting the stuff off!! That alone is worth wearing the gloves. Invariably, I'll lean over and put an arm in the stuff, really dumb stuff like that. But it's off to the store today to get my gloves! I've got a fan I'll set to blow across the area to provide fresh air. I think I'll get some dust masks for sanding, and sawing, that seems to be more of an irritant than anything else so far! Well, that, and this work thing that keeps getting in the way of my building!Thanks much,Gary________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Mike Cunningham"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handling T88 Epoxy>>Mike,> That's exactly the part of the arms that I get, too, except mine is dried>T88 that I missed in the cleanup - ouch! I'm mostly arm-hairless there>now;-)! I was like you alhough I never did the really big scale stuff, Ihad>built dozens of R/C planes, and never had any epoxy problems at all. Now,>the CA stuff used to just kill my sinuses.>Every time I'd start a new model, and start using the Not Stuff, I'd get a>cold/sinus problem.>> I still haven't gotten gloves yet, I'm afraid I deleted the message where>someone recommended a particular material. Was it Latex that was the no-no>and Vinyl was preferred for T88?>> One last Piet-specific question. Where the rear T beam on the vertical>stabilizer meets the baseplate T, the plans show a 1/8" triangular gussett,>but it sure seems as though 3/16" would fill that T in nicely and make fora>little better flush finish. Am I overworking this? Just go with 1/8"? The>old plans called for 3/16" the newer ones 1/8" Anyone?>>Gary>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Ed0248(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handling T88 Epoxy>>Mike,> That's exactly the part of the arms that I get, too, except mine is dried>T88 that I missed in the cleanup - ouch! I'm mostly arm-hairless there>now;-)! I was like you alhough I never did the really big scale stuff, Ihad>built dozens of R/C planes, and never had any epoxy problems at all. Now,>the CA stuff used to just kill my sinuses.>Every time I'd start a new model, and start using the Not Stuff, I'd get a>cold/sinus problem.>> I still haven't gotten gloves yet, I'm afraid I deleted the message where>someone recommended a particular material. Was it Latex that was the no-no>and Vinyl was preferred for T88?>> One last Piet-specific question. Where the rear T beam on the vertical>stabilizer meets the baseplate T, the plans show a 1/8" triangular gussett,>but it sure seems as though 3/16" would fill that T in nicely and make fora>little better flush finish. Am I overworking this? Just go with 1/8"? The>old plans called for 3/16" the newer ones 1/8" Anyone?>>Gary>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handling T88 Epoxy>>Mike,> That's exactly the part of the arms that I get, too, except mine is dried>T88 that I missed in the cleanup - ouch! I'm mostly arm-hairless there>now;-)! I was like you alhough I never did the really big scale stuff, Ihad>built dozens of R/C planes, and never had any epoxy problems at all. Now,>the CA stuff used to just kill my sinuses.>Every time I'd start a new model, and start using the Not Stuff, I'd get a>cold/sinus problem.>> I still haven't gotten gloves yet, I'm afraid I deleted the message where>someone recommended a particular material. Was it Latex that was the no-no>and Vinyl was preferred for T88?>> One last Piet-specific question. Where the rear T beam on the vertical>stabilizer meets the baseplate T, the plans show a 1/8" triangular gussett,>but it sure seems as though 3/16" would fill that T in nicely and make fora>little better flush finish. Am I overworking this? Just go with 1/8"? The>old plans called for 3/16" the newer ones 1/8" Anyone?>>Gary>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:08:35 -0700 (MST)

Original Posted By: Gary Meadows
Gary it's the underside of the forearms that really got me!! Kind of tenderthere in the first place!As a large scale modeler for many years I have handled other epoxies andfinishing resins with noproblems so the T-88 itching really surprised me! All 40 ribs for my Hatzare long since done. Workingon the wing tip bows recently.. now that's messy!!-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Mike Cunningham"
Mike, That's exactly the part of the arms that I get, too, except mine is dried T88 that I missed in the cleanup - ouch! I'm mostly arm-hairless there now;-)! I was like you alhough I never did the really big scale stuff, I had built dozens of R/C planes, and never had any epoxy problems at all. Now, the CA stuff used to just kill my sinuses.Every time I'd start a new model, and start using the Not Stuff, I'd get a cold/sinus problem. I still haven't gotten gloves yet, I'm afraid I deleted the message where someone recommended a particular material. Was it Latex that was the no-no and Vinyl was preferred for T88? One last Piet-specific question. Where the rear T beam on the vertical stabilizer meets the baseplate T, the plans show a 1/8" triangular gussett, but it sure seems as though 3/16" would fill that T in nicely and make for a little better flush finish. Am I overworking this? Just go with 1/8"? The old plans called for 3/16" the newer ones 1/8" Anyone?Gary________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Gary Meadows
Someone said that it is possible to develop an allergy to latex. I havenever heard of this before.I wonder why it is not common knowledge among medical professionals (mygirlfriend is a doc.) Also it was mentioned that you should stay away fromthe gloves with powder in them for the same reason.The latex gloves sure are the easiest to work in.-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Both hospitals here in Provo have banned latex ballons for patients becauseof allergies. I'm really surprised they havn't heard of it before.Stevee-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Rodger & Betty
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Latex Gloves:Greetings:Latex allergy is not uncommon but should not be as great a problem to us homebuilders as the hypersensativity attributable to epoxies. Decreasing the contact of the epoxy with the skin is the key. Technique and gloves.Most gloves used in surgery are latex. When a doctor, nurse, tech or the patient has a latex allergy, an alternative type of glove is used. In terms of their performance and comfort, I prefer latex but that is OK, lacking the allergy. I have never seen a surgeon quit because of latex allergy. Perhaps it happens but in ten years of teaching at a medical school, I never saw it. When we have a latex allergic patient, I have to wear the non-latex gloves and I really don't like their characteristics.I buy my latex gloves in a big box at the home store and they seem to work just fine in the shop.Joseph Matthews (MD)Hatz 734Columbus, GA________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:07:12 -0600

Original Posted By: "Gene Rambo"
Health Risk??? Absolutely! It's an epoxy and the effects are cumulative. Youwon't really notice anything right away, maybe a slight headache, but intime you will develop a sensitivity. The result of which may manifest itselfas a rash, and not just in coming into contact with it, it would be enoughjust to smell it.Dom.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: vistin(at)juno.com
Actually, while I do not doubt such thing is possible, I think the wholelatex glove-allergy thing came about after an E.R. episode where a medstudent went into shock from an allergy to his gloves.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handling T88 EpoxyI am alergic to these latex gloves. They have blisterd my hands and armsbadly.I use vinal ONLY!> > Actually, while I do not doubt such thing is possible, I think the > whole> latex glove-allergy thing came about after an E.R. episode where a > med> student went into shock from an allergy to his gloves.> > > > > Steve W GN-1 builderIHA #6________________________________________________________________________________